Just want to talk about this trade ONLY from a draft point of view for OKC. We all have our opinions on this trade (martin's role, lamb's potential, perk' not amnestied and steel here to defend d12, maynor's come back...), but I think a very interesting part of this trade is those 3 draft picks send by Houston to OKC.
Now OKC has 3 potential first round draft picks and 1 second round draft pick :
- toronto's 1st : between 4th and 14th
This is the most promising pick. Toronto has not the roster to be a PO team (Mia, Bos, Nyk, Bkn, Ind, Phi, Chi, Atl) but should have a better ranking than Charlotte or Orlando. Sacramento, Phoenix, Cleveland and Milwaukee should be around the same level of play than toronto next year. So the raptor's pick should go between 4th and 10th and if the balls are kind during the lottery OKC should pick a top 5 to top 7 player player next year. Shabazz Muhammad, Nerlens Noel, Cody Zeller could all fall into Presti's hands (look at what happenned to Drummond)... And if not, Rudy Gobert, Steven Adams, Kentavious Caldwell, Ben McLemore, Lorenzo Brown, Archie Goodwin, Isaiah Austin, BJ Young could be nice additions to the team.
- dallas's 1st : between 20th and 30th
I don't see this pick falling into OKC's hands next year. Dallas should be a PO team but not a top 10 team. But it could be a trade asset... to move up in the draft board.
- oklahoma's 1st : expected to be between 25 and 30
- charlotte's 2nd : expected to be between 31 and 35 (OKC's 2nd has been send to Minny with the Lazar Hayward trade.)
OKC could get some very interesting players with those two picks (patric young, jeff withney, mason plumlee, dieng...?). Lot's of players could fall to the last 1st and early 2nd round next year as every year (parsons, blair, fields, jerebko, stephenson, pekovic, asik, chalmers...). those kind of picks should help building the 2nd unit for 2013 (maynor, jackson, lamb, jones, collison, martin or sefolosha ?)
People don't realize how valuable a draft pick is in OKCs hands. Presti has been very good in the draft.
Reggie Jackson, Cole Aldrich, Byron Mullens, D.J. White, Eric Maynor, Tibor Pleiss (unable to crack rotation in Spain), Latavious Williams (not really standing out in Germany), and Ryan Reid. In reality, Presti's history really isn't any better than anyone else. He has done well with top five picks, and has been spotty at best with everything else.
Sam Presti's draft history certainly isn't as stellar as people make it out to be. Just so you know every player you mentioned except Reggie Jackson was not selected by Sam Presti, but he did make the deals to acquire them.
Sam Presti has made 4 great draft picks...Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook, James Harden, and Serge Ibaka. Durant was a can't miss prospect so it's not that impressive that Presti took him. The other three were picks that Presti made that really panned out for them...especially Serge Ibaka who was drafted at 24 in 2008.
Players dealt for in Draft day trades are the same as draft picks, and Presti's track record with picks outside the top five (where most people do well) isn't anything special.
I think you're hard on presti :
Jackson needs time but it's hard to tell wether he's good or not he just doesn't play... same thing for Aldrich.
Mullens as White showed some nice things in charlotte where they got PT and were not really draft mistakes.
Maynor was a good TRADE choice, he was injured last year but is a very good point guard (old fashioned but really usefull).
I don't think I am being hard. The track record is what it is. Outside the top five picks, his draft history is not all that different from league norm. There is Ibaka (an overpraised shot blocker whose numbers are inflated because opposing teams score so much in the paint against OKC), a few fringe guys, middling rotations guys, and flat misses. That is the draft in a nutshell for just about every GM.
Imo Presti's biggest miss was the aborted Tyson Chandler trade a few years back. If OKC hadn't rejected Chandlers physical because his toe was red flagged, they very well might have won a championship by now. Perkins is an ok Center but Chandler does everything better.
Jeff Green could have then been traded for a different asset...
and so the domino's fall etc.
I don't really know what Presti has in head for next draft or FA (I think it could change during the next PO if they are successfull or not) but I won't be surprised to see Muhammad, Zeller or Noel in OKC's roster next year.
Presti has clearly understood that if he wants to win the ring he has to play it short AND long term and be competitive every year with new prospects. Overpaying players to keep them is not the solution (Joe Johnson...?).
I think it's a great trade for OKC.....two picks plus Lamb and KM....that's quite a haul....also got rid of benchwarmers (other than Cook)....it'll also be interesting to see Rockets' cuts....they are at 20 now
I was thinking the same thing regarding the Rockets. Who do they cut now? The roster is at 20 and most of these guys have guaranteed deals. Opening day rosters are due tomorrow so unless a team really likes someone they have it would likely be hard to even deal anyone.
well brockman, cook, hayward, forbes, smith and johnson are the contenders...
It's going to cost the Rockets some money for sure
Brockman's contract is $1,000,000
Cook's contract is $3,090,942
Hayward contract is $1,174,080
Johnson contract is $1,089,240
Smith contract is $762,195
I don't know what level of guarantees these contracts are at, but I think everyones but Smith's contract that you mentioned has a guaranteed deal. Machado is only making $473,604, but he's one of three guys who play point guard. Livingston would likely be a decent option, but he's making $3,500,000. Gary Forbes is making $1,500,000, so he could be an option. I'm sure Houston is on the phone with teams seeing if they want any of these guys for a second round pick.
Look at all the potential big men in this draft, they could trade up to get Cody Zeller, him and Ibaka would be a really good fit. Potential line up of, thats scary
Westbrook - Maynor
Sefolosha - Lamb
Durant - Jones
Ibaka - Collison
Perkins - Zeller
im not completely sold on presti keeping all the pieces okc got from the deal. usually on championship caliber teams which okc has the potential to be, draft picks may not ultimately pan out as people may expect since they would be playing behind durant and westbrook who already command the ball over 70% of the time in the 48 minute span of a game. what i can see is presti shopping these draft picks (maybe not their TO pick if its high enough to snag a game changer) and lamb or jones to get a quality proven vet who can play in their system. we'll have to wait and see though. what i think for sure is okc is in good hands with or without harden.
The 3 draft picks could be traded in a package to move up in the draft and maybe get into the top 5. Who knows, if Toronto's pick is either # 4 or 5 the could get into the top 2 or 3.
If they get a scoring big man with the lottery pick that is as good as say paul millsap or al jefferson then they won the trade
If Noel comes in and proves to be the player we all think he can be, I could see Presti doing what he needs to to get Nerlens. That would be video game like.
Personally I think the picks of Ibaka and Jackson were actually both pretty smart. I actually think he may end up one of the sleepers of the draft and if nothing more than to become trade bait. The kid seems to me a poor man's Westbrook. Can't really say that's a bad draft pick this early in his career.
The trades give the Thunder options, they can draft more talent and stockpile, they can also trade picks for assets or even sell a pick or two. They can get $3 million for each and could use that money to go towards a veteran FA or two. Getting a veteran bench presence for a league subsidised veteran's minimum and pocking money for selling a pick would be a sound business move. That high none guaranteed second rounder from Charlotte could be ideal to do that with.
I think ideas of trading up into the top 5 could be optimistic unless the Toronto pick was higher than we thought as teams often don't want a load of picks but Cleveland put a top 25 first rounder and a couple early 2nd rounders to get to 17th in the draft. So the Thunder with the Dallas pick, their own pick and the Charlotte 2nd rounder could maybe get into 12 to 16 range. They would then have two lottery picks maybe in 10 to 16 range with this and the Raptors pick so that gives Presti huge options.
A lot will depend on the draft board depth and who the Thunder may fancy, I'm sure Presti would look to keep his options open until near the draft.
raptors' pick should likely end between 1 and 10... most likely between 3 and 7 let's say.
If the lottery ends well for okc, they could have a 4, 5, 6 pick. You can move up in the top 3 with those kind of picks packaged with other picks (the mavs' one and / or the okc's one) or players like reggie jackson.
Grabbing Noel, Muhammad, or Zeller is not out of reach. One of those could also slip during the draft process (season perf, combine, rumors, injuries, ucla issues...).
this offseason houston waived Sean Williams Jerome Jordan Josh Harrellson Jon Leuer Brockman Scott Forbes ETwaun Moore and Jajuan Johnson ... and of course Luis Scola. Some quality role players...
That's to say they traded away courtney Lee for... a 2013 second-round pick and the draft rights to guard Jon Diebler... smart move Mr Morey.
That's all they got for Courtney Lee? Sad.
Jajuan Johnson, Jon Brockman, and Gary Forbes are still Rockets at least as of today.
Huge raps fan since I'm canadian and this might sound one sided but:
Raptors: trade bargnani, Derozan and Fields and there 1st round pick to the thunder (oh wait the thunder have that) and cash considerations to thunder
Thunder: trade Presti to Raptors
Man he is good, damn. I'm not even that good on NBA 2k13 with trade override on. Oklahoma is set.. To take on Toronto in the finals!! Haha Oklahoma fans are so spoiled.