I have to say, those two things have exactly 0% chance of happening. Patterson isn't close to Cousins as a prospect, and Whiteside is way too dumb to play in one of the two most sophisticated offenses in the league.
I agree. though I think you are being a tad too harsh on Whiteside
Cousins will go before Patterson...Cousins could be a stud...Patterson is just a role player. And yea, Whiteside doesnt go to the Jazz...they never draft kids like him.
Completely agree. No chance that Cousins falls to 7. I would love if he did, but it is not happening. If nobody in the top 5 likes him enough then someone will move up to get him. I doubt that Patterson goes over Monroe either. Everybody seems to be sleeping on the guy, but he could easily move into the top 5.
I think Patterson would be a great fit for the Warriors, but no way he goes ahead of Cousins in the draft.
I'll answer your question with a question. Do you believe Patterson looks like he has a 10 year career in the NBA ahead of him as a starter? Its obvious to me that he probably won't ever be a #1 or 2 offensive option but I think he can be/develop into a steady third option on a very good team, maybe even be a key piece to a championship caliber team in the future. He's 6ft9, excellant length, built like a truck, good athleticism, plays defense, excellant work ethic, great character and fundamentally sound. He won't come in and get rookie of the year but I think he has alot of very good, productive years as a pro ahead of him. Im just a big Patterson fan. He's the type of guy I'd want on my team and in my locker room. Cousins is a potential allstar talent who could tank his own career with character, work ethic and weight issues.
As a drafting GM Patterson comes off as a safe pick who still has upside. It depends on how you choose to build your team and how much risk your willing to take in my humble opinion.
I'm not sure on whiteside. He has alot of Camby in him, including the shot, but he could go either way.
There was a while were the jazz drafted every tall stiff possible. People like Ortiz, Luther wright, Eric lechner, Curtis broushard, etc. Its just lately they havnt gone for the tallest guy possible. See they were convinced that mark eaton was a great shot blocker only because he was 7'4". While that might have been true, he had some natural defensive ability. In other words, it took more than just being tall.
At any rate, being a long time jazz fan, I could see them going for whiteside. I don't think they will because he is more of a project right now than they need.
to be fair we didn't draft Broushard, we traded down to get him
and mark Eaton was a great shot blocker!!!
it was the rest of the stuff he could not do
I second HotSnot's notion. Patterson could have been a top 10 (lottery for sure) pick last year and so far all he's done is improve his stock. Cousins has more upside, but there's also a chance he turns out to be a nutcase (I know that's a harsh jump based on the reports about him), but you never know. Maybe the fame gets to his head and it takes him a year or two. Maybe he turns into Eddy Curry or maybe he turns into a legit center - who knows?
Wherever Patterson gets drafted, it's a safe pick for them (barring any type of injury) because there aren't too many draftees with NBA-ready bodies like him and he has good IQ. The fact his interviews have been extremely impressive just adds more to his resume.
Do I see him going over Cousins? No.
Whiteside is a project - Houston could be the perfect fit for him since he can learn from Yao and more importantly Mutumbo.
I like your reasoning there Hotsnot. I'm really high on Patterson, especially how he showed he was able to play a complementary, but key role, this past year on a star laden Kentucky team.
Good point Hotsnot, simply Patterson seems to have that work ethic that Sloan wants out of his players. Reflective of Sloan's style of play, his players must play hard. In addition, just watching how the Jazz fared against the Lakers in the second round, size is an issue here. Patterson is a strong body who would fit good in the Jazz and seems to be a good complementary player. However, in the draft, Cousins is mostly likely to be picked up first than Patterson.
Just for the record I looked up kevin love and Carlos boozers measurements and Patterson is 1/4" taller than both but has a smaller wing span. His size is not that different from them. The question for jazz fans is whether this will be tall enough when we face the lakers again? The Lopez kid has impresses me against them. Who can be that guy for the jazz? The way I see it, the jazz need a better big center, a taller power forward to backup Paul, and a true 3 at 6'7" or taller who can rebound and shoot. Pretty simple! ;-)
Wow people forget how good Patterson is and how much he improved his game. He is more than a role player. he possess the smarts size and athletic ability to be a starter and a maybe an all star. I think you can compare him to Elton Brand in his early years. Patterson should not go before Cousins but to be honest it is not impossible. Patterson was the man before Cousin got there. Cousins is a solid big man but if people are concerned with the other stuff Patterson who stock should be high right now could pass him. I strong doubt this will happen but I think both Patterson and Cousins could average 20 10 in the NBA. Patterson is a really good rebounder and we know he can score now inside and out. He can do what Boozer does for Utah. Teams like Miami would be smart to try to move up and grab him.
Another thing Patterson is ready to play right now. Whiteside is about 2 or 3 years away. It is wierd though he came out the wrong year because Thabeet who is a project went number 2 last year and Whiteside is pretty much the same thing cept he is younger and slight shorter but he wingpan makes up for it though. I think in 3 years Whiteside will be a Tyson Chandler/Camby type player. Cousins to me is ready right now and if he does get to 280 like said for the start of this season he should be good. Some player body fat could be high cause of their build. That what is so freakish about Favors size. You dont get he size and that low of body fat that much. I know it is not common.
Good news for Whiteside is he looks that skinny but he is strong and he weight like 225 now. he could possibly put on 20 lbs of muscle and be 245 and still not lose any of his athleticism. That should be he goal over this next year is too try to gain muscle and size and get to 245. As he get older he body could fill out more as well.
the fact that they look for defensive instinct now is the reason there is a 50-50 shot they take aldrich.....in fact the only way they dont is if somebody else takes him first AND monroe is gone too.....that could happen but unlikely if the order holds without a trade.....
The Jazz board will be;
1. Cole Aldrich
2. Greg Monore
3. Ekpe Udoh
If all three are gone, then somebody fell. We'll just take him.
Patterson is like 1" shorter than udoh but with a lot more all around game. Why go one way for 1"? I think Aldrich, Monroe, Patterson...
Because the Jazz need a shot blocker.
for me the best comparison for Patterson is Kenyon Martin, what do you think of that?
I don't think udoh over Patterson will get you that. Udoh just isn't that big to have his blocking transllate to the NBA...
I totally see it with Aldrich, Monroe and whiteside, but white side is just too far away for the jazz.
its sad that im posting from my phone so i cant give u points.....i agree whole heartedly with ur jazz board except i think monroe might be ahead of aldrich.....there is absolutely no chance all three of those guys are gone.....great job by jazz front office for kicking isaiah thomas on his way out the door to get this pick lol.....
Patterson actually has a higher standing reach than udoh. I don't think udoh is that more athletic than Patterson. He is a more polished defender now, but Patterson is 2 years younger too...
Probalby mute as Aldrich or Monroe will likely be there....
Probalby mute as Aldrich or Monroe will likely be there....
i dont like the comparison.....patterson is a much better shooter than kmart will ever be as well as kmart was drafted first because people thought he was an elite defender that could guard the liks of kg timmy d etc.....i think patterson is more like carlos boozer except not as good.....that would be a reason the jazz take him if they did.....
i just got point downed and i know it was because i took a shot at the knicks......&$#%#&@! lol.....
Yeah, arguably Patterson is a safer pick, but the upside is considerably smaller than Cousins. His ceiling is as a nice complementary starter, but he's not going to dominate offensively at the next level. Low risk, low reward. Only for the extremely risk-averse GM.
u can think the world of patterson and it still doesnt matter....picking him ahead of cousins is crazy talk.....even for the dumbest of gms.....
I was only talking about Patterson as a jazz pick. I agree that cousins is better or has a higher potential. If the jazz can trade up to get him, I think Sloan could help him a lot and him and dwell could carry us to the promised land...