In most major sports, performance enhancing drugs have almost seemed common place over the last decade. The Mitchell report named many prominent baseball players, and there have been countless suspensions in the NFL over different PED usage. So I wanted to bring this issue to the fore front and see what everyone's thoughts were on the usage of PED's in the NBA?
I mean there are many uses for different steroid compounds, PEDs, HGH, etc. I am curious how rampant this usage is in the NBA. No star NBA player has been caught or implicated in a PED usage scandal. Do you think this is because it does not occur?
The reason I bring this up is I read this article today on the possibility on Ray Lewis utilizing deer antler spray to rehab his torn tricep, as well as the possibility Adrian Peterson used steroids to rehab his ACL & MCL (http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8904906/daring-ask-ped-question).
This quote really got me thinking about it:
"Really? You're that fearful of what we'd find in your blood, NBA players? If you're not fearful, why allow your representatives to make it seem like you're that fearful? How can you expect me NOT to wonder if you're cheating? Especially when so many other world-class athletes are cheating? Are you really expecting me to believe that Don MacLean, Matt Geiger, Soumaila Samake, Lindsey Hunter, Darius Miles, Rashard Lewis and O.J. Mayo — seven guys with a combined two All-Star appearances — were the only NBA players who ever used banned performance enhancers?"
That list of documented users of PEDs is not very stellar to say the least. And this quote about the adequacy their doping regulations: "But the testing program has never been a model. In 2005, lawmakers called the NBA’s anti-doping testing program “inadequate,” “pathetic” and “a joke.”" (http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/51305/gaps-in-nba-drug-testing)
Just wanted to throw these two articles up here and see what everyone thought, especially with all the advancements in medicine, training, etc. Is PED usage as rampan n the NBA as it is in the other major sports?
The NBA is all about skill, not about who can bench the most; strength helps but it's not a big part of the game like the NFL or MLB
I'm well aware skill is a major part of the game, however PEDs are not all about "who can bench the most." They are about endurance, recovery, strength, etc. PEDs can be utilized in many different ways, such as rehabbing an injury, limiting fat/increasing lean muscle strenth in a big man, increasing leg strength, etc.
I know that but has there been anyone that has been accused or aroused suspicion?I believe some people use it in the NBA but its nowhere near the levels of football or *gasp* baseball. Until a report like the Miami clinic one comes out in basketball than PED use isn't a major problem in basketball. I'm pretty familiar with PEDs as most on my football team used HGH and I used isotonix(it's a supplement for older men with low testosterone but not illegal).
Yes - if you read above and the articles provided players have been levied suspensions for PED use.
The only players I can think of recently are OJ Mayo and Michael Beasley, unless there's 1 or 2 players suspended for PED use EVERY season like NFL and MLB, it's not a major problem. Has there been more players suspended recently?
Naw dude I don't think so. Of course if someone like Lebron or Kobe took peds it would help them. But I feel like basketball is more creative than more sports(steve nash)and strength is just a minor factor
There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that PEDs are rampant in all major sports--certainly in the NBA. Watch film of the NBA in the 1980s and you will be amazed by the lack of muscle you see. In today's NBA MOST players are absolutely ripped. That definition takes serious work and is definitely helped by PEDs. The difference between the bodies of NBA players twenty years ago and today goes a lot further than more hours in the weight room.
I don't have a strong position on PEDs. We really know little about them in some ways. Some illegal PEDs now appear to be w/o major health risks if taken appropriately, while giving huge advantages in muscle development and weight loss. Others have huge health risks. And since the use is so rampant, it is harder to compete without having that edge.
There are certainly many pro athletes that are entirely clean, but the % of PED users are far higher than the % being caught. Since the NBA has taken few, if any, steps to control this area, there's no doubt that the NBA has heavy usage.
I think players being so much more toned campared to the 80's is the difference in the era's. Today's era of bball is more based on athletic ability than ever. There's just as much focus, if not more, on working out, cardio, and such as there is for actual basketball skills like shooting, passing, dribbling.
I think a lot of that is due to the rapid improvements we've seen in our technology and science in such a short time. It's scary to think in 20 years just how athletic humans can be if we keep going at this rate.
Could the NBA players being more ripped be a factor of how much more advanced sports medicine has become and the fact scientists understand more about proper nutrition? I think that's the reason why guys like Kidd and Nash are still playing
If any of you get into the sport of competitve weight lifting, you will see that PED's have tons of uses, not just building huge muscle. It can be used to improve quickness, verticle jump, hand eye corrdination and a variety of things that are related to smaller muscle fibers and are more fast twitchy than slow..
Also, if you are on PED's and you happen to get hurt, your recoverty time is greatly reduced.. I wouldnt say it is cut in half but I guarntee that Adrain Peterson was on something to help him be close to 100 percent when most people are only at about 65 percent.
Dont think that they are just used to make you giant.. They have many applications...
That is exactly the kind of informtaion/debate i was attempting to ensue. Great post.
I know dude, my friends use HGH and it's crazy how much more athletic they are; their recovery time after football games were crazy also
Their are PEDs in every professional sport but should not take awayfrom how hard these guys work. You don't just take them and they magically work. This topic males me mad because the ignorant unkowing person that isn't educated properly when it comes to steroids and the like just seem to write athletes off.
Soccer is also about talent and creativity... PED has always been an issue there. It's not only about strenght, but also endurance, speed and other athletic skills. I don't think its influence should be underestimated.
I wouldn't be surprised if all the players in the nba were on PEDs. Lebron looks like he was sculptured from god for gods sakes! And no one here can tell me thats natural to be that big and fast without being on something. Players will do ANYTHING that they think will give them an edge over the completion.
For those thinking PED's are all about strength look at cycling. They are all about endurance and recovery for the next day of racing. Lance Armstrong was the one that proved to me that many more sports people would be on PED's than I thought. Not because he was found guilty (I always suspected he was) but because of the great lengths people can go to, to hide their use with blood transfusions etc. The only reason he got caught was of former teammates ratting him out.
probably not the most popular answer but i am not sold armstrong really took peds. he might have but would you lie and say you did something wrong even though you didn't if it meant competing in something you love ever again? some people would and some wouldn't. if he is anything he is a competitor which could lead to both conclusions. not saying he didn't take any but he did pass a lot of tests and anyone that would have ratted him out had something to gain out of it. i am still torn if he did or didn't. i am sure some nba players take peds. dwayne wade might have. every sport does. i also don't care. i am sure there are just as much nfl players that stare out the window into space in front of their doctor to get a legal prescription of adderall aka prescribed speed. imo it should be up to the person what he or she puts into their body and realize that whatever you put into your body you get out of it and the responsibility of the person to recognize the consequences and side effects of taking whatever they are taking. however if the rule says it is a banned substance then it should not be used. but why is it banned in the first place? because people are that irresponsible and not educated about what they are putting into their own bodies? pretty sad. is it wrong to recover faster, etc? really? says who? the person taking the substance or some all mighty rule maker? the key is being responsible. if it is something that can harm you better recognize and consider what you are taking.
That is the dumbest post I have ever seen on here. Still not sure if Armstrong cheated...... Did you also meet Lennay Kekua in a parking lot after the USC game? Do you work for ESPN or something?
Lebron does raise some eyebrows as a potential PEDs user, he's so solidly built and remains so quick that it is somewhat hard to believe that it's all natural.
However, you see plenty of poor athletes display these amazing physiques and athletic feats in high school before they get to the pros, and I don't think it's unreasonable to say the majority of low-income amateur athletes wouldn't be able to afford PEDs. It's seeing them all do these things in high school that leads me to believe these guys are legitimately athletic, but you do have to wonder.
Honestly, if I found out guys like Jordan took PEDs, I'd be shattered. All of a sudden his otherworldly feats of athleticism and endurance, his ability to bring it every night, every game would be taken away in an instant.
In some ways, if they are all doing it, I'd almost rather not know, so that I could still marvel at the potential of humankind without having to put a little asterisk next to everything I see.
I know what you mean. But I'm sure most of us here would agree Lebron is the most athletic athlete of our are time. Just looking at how everyone else is doing it in almost every sport from baseball to cycling I find it hard to believe basketball is the most clean sport. Just because it has not had a scandal yet about it doesn't mean its not there.
But yet again like you said most of these guys have been on the national radar since they were in middle school and most of them seem to have a natural gift.
I'll bring Tennis into the discussion, World number one Novak Djokovic looks like he's on PEDs. He couldn't break the Federer and Nadal dominance a couple of years ago and all of a sudden he wins every Grand Slam in one year. He's now become unstoppable but the way he acts raises an eyebrow, he gets very intense and frustrated for very little reason, I understand having high standards but he loses his top if the slightest things don't go his way. Also, he never looks tired, it's almost like he's coasting through matches whereas his opponent looks exhausted, even the top players look gassed when they are playing Djokovic not to mention his very suspect reactions to his food and drink during breaks, especially the way he pops his eyes when drinking his vitamin infused water.
I found it very suspicious that he was one of the few that responded to Armstong's PED admission, he credits his extraordinary improvement to a gluten free diet and using very intense endurance workouts but it just seems like he's using an extra edge. I simply cannot accept that he can simply beat all comers on a diet change and a new workout, Tennis isn't the kind of sport where one player could dominate in every tournament.
I'm with bloodshy, the NBA is undoubtedly and sadly infested with PED users. But they're very smart about usage and have enough resources to handle any problems. I shutter to think who is currently on PEDs because I'm probably a fan of that player or they have a reputation of being a nice person. I hate to say it but Ben Wallace looked very suspect, his physique in college, for the Wizards and even for the Magic paled in comparison to his chiseled Pistons body and of course he was on top of his game. He has the best physique I've ever seen and if it was all natural then credit to him for getting into unbelievable shape.
I think PED use is going on in ALL of professional sports. I mean, let's get real... Millions of dollars are on the line. What would you do to get that edge to make the team or push your game up a notch? What would you do to get back from a devastating injury that's threatening your career? What would you do if you're an older athlete with an injury and you don't want to walk away from the game yet?
The thing I don't like about PEDs is the fact that the classification of what makes a substance a PED isn't clear cut enough for me. I mean, why aren't vitamins, protein, etc considered PEDs as well? Why isn't creatine a PED?
Yea, but do I think there are players in the NBA who are using. There's no doubt about that, especially if there are holes in the testing.
Protein is needed for the body to function just like Vitamins. Also, the body naturally makes creatine.. Thats why those arent PEDs.. PEDs are usually things that arent found inside the body or are no longer needed for the body to function.. Example would be "HGH" or the human growth horomone.. While it is present in the body, it is no longer used to grow for athletes.. Higher doses of it cause guys like Bary Bonds to require huge helmets to cover that big ass dome that he didnt have as a rookie...
I really hate to think about it but Bill Simmons really wrote a perfect article that I hopes brings a lot of things up to the general consciousness. I almost have a hard time looking at Ray Lewis on ESPN because I just don't know if he was legit. In the NBA, I like what Indiana wrote and other guys as well. I mean, look at dudes like Reggie Evans, Perk, etc. Dudes look like football players basically. I also don't think they want blood testing because probably like half the league would be suspended from not only PEDs but drugs like marijuana, ecstasy, coke, and who knows what else. This issue is a slippery slope
I don't think the fact that basketball players are more "ripped" is a good argument at all. You can see every muscle on Russell Westbrooks body but it's due to a low body fat percentage and not huge muscles. And look at David Robinson or MJ those dudes were stacked
Just an additional comment.
In soccer usually a two-player sample is drawn randomly for a urine test. I'd say there are players using this substances but it's difficult to get away with it because of the frequent tests.