I'm sorry, but is anyone else sick of all the talk in sports media about this story. I was listening to sports radio on my way home from schoo...er...the Five and Dime, and all the three major networks were discussing was this scandal. Sports media gets so fixated on teh scandals, why can't they just talk about sports teams? And noooo one on the radio is talking about College Basketball, even though the season started yesterday.
I'm not aware of any scandal.
It involved a little => and a little )( and that's something that's generally :( in today's society.
Odly enough, we were talking about child abuse in health today, and our teacher brought this up. She basically said the same thing all the commentators have been saying, is that if they knew about it, they should be prosecuted because they might have made even more people victim to this monster.
I honestly think that if the anybody that knew and didn't do their job, should be punished, and that includes Joe Paterno, but I've heard that he told the athletic directors at Penn State, but stories like these are always sad, and I hope that no one ever has to go through somthing like that.
As for the media overanalyzing it, it is sooo anoying. I don't mind talking about for a good half hour, and giving daily updates, but to have that as the story of the day, even with the sports news sort of slow, is sort of annoying.
I just hope Jo Pa has gives an indication as to when or if he will step down, cause it would be unfit to send him off without some sort of honor or celebration.
I'm not aware of any scandal.
This is why I haven't watched ESPN in a while. With no basketball, they have hours to fill with news so they'll overanalyze situations.
im really confused to what is happening...
can someone please inform me all the details
That is why. I for one do not get ESPN due to my Canada livings, but this story is huge for a reason. Joe Paterno kind of turned a blind eye to a possible pedophile and sexual predator. He found out about his misdeeds, turned it over to his superior and seemed to do next to nothing as far as follow-up. This guy is the All-Time winningest coach in NCAA D1 Football history and considered a leader and by many an icon. But, than, it turns out that this happened with Joe doing very little to try and stop it.
This story is disgusting, but it is like the Catholic Church hiding known pedophiles, only with one of the most iconic football figures of NCAA Football playing the pope. So, that may be why it is news, and Arizona versus Valpo may not be getting the publicity it deserves. We all love NCAA basketball, there is this thing called the internet with lots of information on it. Meanwhile, the Jerry Sandusky story is shocking and definitely news worthy, as you hope that justice is served on many levels.
Here is an article from SI.com by Jack McCallum on an article he wish he never wrote:
If you read the Jury Deposition, as Jack tells you to if you want to know why this is a big deal, it is disgusting and shocking that this was not stopped and allowed to go on for years, many of which Sandusky was still involved with the Penn State football program.
Words in standard type are the thoughts of a person attempting to evaluate every side of the story involving Penn State coach Joe Paterno's role in the case involving former Penn State defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky.
Words in italics are the thoughts of a father of two young children, who, like most parents, read the news of what allegedly took place at Penn State and wondered "What if this had happened to one of my kids?"
Paterno didn't break any law. Officially speaking, he did exactly what was required when a graduate assistant told him in 2002 that he had witnessed Sandusky sexually abusing a boy (estimated age: 10) in a shower at the Penn State football complex. Paterno told his boss, athletic director Tim Curley. Paterno followed proper procedure. And doesn't he deserve the benefit of the doubt? For years, Paterno has been a paragon of athletic virtue. He has won a Division I-record 409 games, yet his program has never been cited for a major NCAA violation. Sandusky maintains his innocence. As does Curley, who has been charged with perjury. They'll get their day in court.
Pure B.S. Paterno claims to be a teacher. He always talks about his kids when referring to his players. Someone who truly cared about kids would have done more. He would have pestered Curley for an answer about what happened to the accusation. He would have called the police. He would have confronted Sandusky. Instead of that, Paterno let Sandusky keep coming back. On Monday, Yahoo! reported that Sandusky was spotted in the Penn State football complex as recently as last week. Even if the accusation was false, Paterno had a responsibility to make sure it was thoroughly investigated. He didn't. He stuck by Sandusky instead of worrying about the child.
I waited several days to write this because my first thought was what I would do if someone did something like this to my child. My initial reaction -- and I'm fairly certain most parents would feel this way -- was homicidal. If someone molested my child, he would need the police to protect him from me. If I found him first, his death would be neither quick nor clean. I might spend the rest of my life in prison, though I'm not sure a right-thinking jury would convict me.
Those were the first thoughts that popped into my head, and I'm not ashamed to say that. So why didn't Paterno, a parent and grandparent who claims to have dedicated his life to the kids, feel the same way? Why didn't he do everything in his power to ensure he helped protect a kid who couldn't protect himself? I thought if I waited a few days I could look at the situation through a more rational lens. I can't. Every time I think about it, I get more angry. And I pray that I can protect my kids from the monsters, because apparently not everyone feels the same responsibility. If Paterno would sit silently for years about this, he has no business representing a proud university. Fire him now, not in days or weeks asThe New York Times is reporting. I don't give a damn how many games he's won.
Paterno released a statement Sunday night saying the graduate assistant was distraught and did not describe the specific act mentioned in the grand jury presentment. Maybe Paterno didn't grasp the seriousness of the allegation. Maybe he didn't understand.
Or maybe Paterno has hidden behind a wall of lawyer-speak because he knows he failed in his duty as a human being. Maybe that's why Penn State President Graham Spanier -- who also needs to be fired for the same reason as Paterno -- canceled Paterno's regularly scheduled press conference Tuesday. Paterno can't stand up to tough questions, because he has no moral leg on which to stand. If no one had made an accusation, it would be completely believable that Paterno didn't know. His inaction would make sense.
But someone did tell Paterno, and Paterno has admitted to that. According to the grand jury, Paterno testified that the graduate assistant reported seeing Sandusky "fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy." Those are the exact words from the presentment, but they are not an exact quote from Paterno. Grand jurors clearly came away thinking Paterno -- a man not known for mincing words -- had heard a report of sexual activity between a grown man and a young boy. Setting aside what the graduate assistant actually reported to the grand jury -- an act so heinous that the mere mention of it should cause any normal person to wretch -- exactly how extensive a report of sexual activity does Paterno need to do the right thing and make sure the report gets investigated thoroughly? No one gets a little bit fondled. Beyond that, a grown man and a young boy were naked together in a shower. That isn't normal. That requires an inquiry. Yet Paterno did nothing except kick the accusation upstairs. In this case, "upstairs" is a relative term. Curley was nominally Paterno's boss, but Paterno has long been the most powerful man on Penn State's campus.
If Paterno wanted the claim investigated, he could have made an investigation happen. He didn't.
Still, we need to wait until the facts come out before judging Paterno. Maybe there is some reasonable, rational explanation for his silence. Can I honestly say that I would go to the police if a subordinate reported something like that to me about a longtime friend? Which person would I believe?
Remember that we're talking about a 10-year-old. Someone's son who stands no chance to live a normal life. And let's not forget anyone else who might have been harmed in the years between the graduate assistant's report and Sandusky's arrest. If the charges against Sandusky are true, any molestation that took place between the graduate assistant's report and Sandusky's arrest is on the hands of everyone who knew. That includes Paterno.
Forget it. There is no defense. There is no rational explanation. I hope, if placed in the same situation, I would protect the child. If I didn't, may God have mercy on my soul.
The Penn State alma mater includes this line: "May no act of ours bring shame." Someone wrote those words on a poster Monday and hung them from a statue of Paterno on Penn State's campus. If Sandusky pleads guilty or is convicted of these accusations, that statue of Paterno should be torn down.
Paterno has won 409 games. He has helped usher thousands of young men into adulthood. But if Paterno's inaction allowed a monster to continue preying on children, those victories don't mean a thing.
Child abuse is fuc**** disgusting. I don't care if Paterno didn't report this. It's like watching someone get beat up and not doing anything about it. You're just as guilty. Sandusky needs to get charged and Paterno needs to leave....
if i was joe paterno, and i knew one of my coaches was gettin it on with little kids... i would call the police my damn self and get that perv in jail...
joe paterno is an idoit for just not doing anything... idc if he went to the AD and they did nothing... he shouldve said.. hey!!! I have this child molester on my team, how bout I potentially save someone's youth and put this b*stard in jail...
joe paterno should get charges on him... but we all know he won't
cuz hes the winningest coach of all time... but mike vick kills a dog, 2 yrs in prision (dont get me wrong, what he did was terrible, and he shouldve been punished)
if paterno doesn't get charged it just proves even more that the legal system in america is screwed up, and we value a dog more than people...
Though, I do not 100% think I agree with everything you have said or the connections. But, one thing I do agree with is, Joe Paterno should be out of a job ASAP. I know he is seen as a God of not only Penn State, but all of College Football, but he stood by and did nothing for years with Rene Portland (Penn State women's basketball coach) discriminating against lesbian players and these recent allegations with Jerry Sandusky are even more appalling.
The fact that he turned it over to the AD and seemingly forgot about seems to be incredibly negligent and not the work of a leader, which is what he is seen as being. Joe Pa has had an amazing career in Happy Valley, and I am sure his accomplishments will not be forgotten. That being said, if people want to honor the man, do after he has stepped down as coach IMMEDIATELY. These charges happened under his supervision of the program, and he definitely did not fulfill his obligation on many levels in regards to this case. As much as Penn State may love him, I cannot comprehend the reason he should be able to coach another football game. For the people who are sticking up for him, and saying that "They could not believe he would quit" (Bobby Bowden, for one), read the Jury Deposition. Than try and defend his inaction after that.
Sports media is talking about little else. Child molesting is sick, but talk more about actual sports on a sports broadcast, please.
It's ESPN! They talk about what is going on in sports RIGHT NOW. They have a lot of preview stuff, but this is now and relevant. They are not pulling College Basketball Games off of the air, but those College preview shows they do would always getting repetitive. So, I am sure they are still showing highlights and games, but this is obviously the bigger story. ESPN constantly does things like this, because we have been prodding and predicting college basketball for months on end. Their is only so much you can project, and the 4 games on Monday were not exactly barn burners between top opponents. I would think a Grandpa would maybe put these things together. Until all of the NCAA teams start playing, it is not exactly actual sports. Just more projecting and talking about how excited Dick Vitale is for the start of the NCAA season. Grandpa, if you have been watching or listening to ESPN for a long time, this should not be a surprise.
That's my focus here. All they talked about yesterday was A) PSU Scandal and, for a small %, B) The NFL.
It's ridiculous. College Basketball is, really, never atlked about on the national radio, and its my favorite sport. The radio broadcasts nothing but local games, and I live in Indiana, so beyond Purdue and Butler, there are no games that I care about that much.
This Penn State scandal actually deserves the attention it is getting. What doesn't deserve the attention it is getting is actually a person: Joe Paterno. If you don't understand why, take the time to read the 23 page grand jury indictment. That tells you everything you need to know.
I go to Penn State so I am literally in the middle of the most disgusting sports scandal in history. Not cool. I'm also in the middle of a semester of five 400 level courses, dealing with depression still from the Phillies loss (it hurts) and no NBA, and the Eagles look pretty screwed at the moment. I kinda hope that Myan calendar was actually off by a year lol; end this female dog in 2011.
This is disgusting. A legendary coach allowing this to happen is just pathetic.
When exactly does the "Good Samaritan Law" come into place in this situation?
Paterno should be fired and that's all there is to it.
You sound ignorant. Paterno didn't just allow it to happen. He reported an incident to the AD, as was procedure. Sure he probably missed some signs, but he's got the somewhat fragile mind of an 86-year-old (or whatever) anyways.
A fragile mind? That's the same mind that is able to make hundreds of offensive schemes and defensive formations. His mind is not "fragile" whatsoever.
He didn't just allow it to happen? Don't you think if you saw something like that you would call the authorities? I'm 100% sure I would.
Third of all, after he told the AD, and still NOTHING had been done... isn't it his job, as an American citizen to report it to a higher authority.
Quit trying to defend him. If you see something like this happen, you report it. If the AD decided not to report it, then it is YOUR job to report it. That is how the judicial system works. Period.
As of right now, there is ZERO evidence that Joe Pa knew about Sandusky's fetish for little boys while he was a Defensive Cordinator at Penn State. If that holds to be true, then why in the world is Joe Paterno the one to blame?
If you want to refer to the incident in 2002 when McQueary witnessed Sandusky boning a 10 year old, then please understand the facts of what happened. McQueary witnessed it-->He left the crime scene and called his dad-->The next day, both the McQueary's went to Joe Pa's house to explain what had happened-->A day later, Joe Pa meets with Tim Curley, the AD to explain to him (his boss) what had happened--> Curley and VP of Business and Finance Gary Schultz sit down with McQueary a week later and assure him that they will be looking into the incident. Paterno was not present at this meeting.
So basically, you are blaming Joe Paterno for not calling the police. Legally he did the right thing, moraly is a totally different argument. McQueary is a WR coach for Penn State so shouldn't he be underfire and being asked to step down too? This would of never even gotten to Joe Pa if McQueery grew a pair and took care of the incident himself instead of calling daddy. Doesn't matter cuz McQueary doesn't make front page on every newspaper and website in America, Joe Paterno does.
"Quit trying to defend him. If you see something like this happen, you report it. If the AD decided not to report it, then it is YOUR job to report it. That is how the judicial system works. Period."
That's actually not true. It was the AD's legally responsibility to report it to the Law, not Joe Pa's. That's why he is being charged, along with Schultz.
Not saying it isn't possible that Joe Pa was covering-up just like Schultz and Curley, but as of now, his hands are legally clean.
Things people rally for...
LGBT...sexual orientation rights
Sport teams....late game comebacks
Penn State students, fans, alumni...enabling pedophiles.
What do you call an older woman who is into young boys?
What do you call an older man who is into young boys?
A Nittany Lion
It is annoying but Penn State is gonna go down hard for this. You think any parent is gonna want to send their kids to a college that allows something like this to happen.
This story reaffirms something we've known for a long time as well that the NCAA is a complete joke... Players take a free meal or some shoes and get suspended for a year.. Paterno knows about having a child sex predator on his staff for years and does nothing about it but not allow the sick f**k to bring children onto school grounds and he gets no punishment at all.
Anyways I kind of hope he does coach Saturday and sees how much hatred his own university has towards him.
Actually, people associated with Penn State are more pissed off than anyone that a pedophilia was "enabled." I'm about to graduate and look for a job with an average resume. Think saying I'm from Penn State helps right now? Think my dentist telling prospective clients that he is from Penn State helps? Cmon dymes, your smarter than that.
But your second post is funny as hell haha
You think his university hates him...they still treat him like a God. I have tons of friends who go to PSU and they have been brainwashed themselves. How can you support that even if he was just involved b/c he didn't say anything. Put your damn foot down Joe Pa. If a man on your staff informs you that another has been anal probing kids, make sure that man is removed from your staff. Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting from all parties involve (other than the victims of couse, I hope they get as much retribution as possible. If my kid was invovled, I would be pushing to tear down the athletic department to the ground).
Do you still support Joe Pa? Were u one of these students rallying chanting...We Want Joe Pa. And then cheering him on?
Everything I'm seeing from people I know @ PSU, is support for Joe Pa. Nearly everyone else I know outside of the PSU network, is calling for Joe Pa's head (figuratively of course). Clearly being apart of PSU encourages people to support Joe Pa, it is in some way brainwashing from my statistical finding from reports of people I know.
Maybe a little too soon, but I get you.
ProudGrandpa, you sound ignorant as hell in this entire effing post. How anyone supports your trolling of this site, I do not know. Paterno may not have "allowed it to happen" pre-2002 (He was 75 or 76, and he is 84 now), but he most definitely did next to nothing to prevent it from happening afterward. I do not care if he told Tim Curley, to than have absolutely no follow up past that is CRAZY. Straight up, they enabled this man for countless years to abuse other children. To be upset about them spreading the awareness of this misdeed, as you seem to be, is damn ignorant.
Apb540, sorry you have to deal with this. I can only wonder what that must be like, but I am guessing I would want that coach fired. Recruiting people illegally and paying players is nothing compared to this. I have no idea what the NCAA is planning to do, I have only heard speculation. I have no idea what grounds they would have, honestly. Still, it certainly seems like sanctions could be possible.
As far as Paterno goes, I cannot believe that people are cool with his "retiring after this year". It is fairly sickening, to be honest. I was always a fan of Paterno, sure as hell liked him much more than Bobby Bowden. But, I think if any coached let these things happen, especially after the fact, is pretty criminal. I just find it really hard to believe that people are not asking for his immediate resignation. He will always be an idol of College Football, but he deserves no fancy good-bye celebration after his involvement in this scandal.
M-Dymes, that video is sick as hell. I definitely am with you on that one. Those fans chanting should be ashamed of themselves.
I have been mad busy this week with pre-Thanksgiving school work and I wouldn't go anyway. I have been very distracted by this though and have read every thing I can to learn more about the scandal. I'm not "brainwashed." I think for my dam self. I also educate myself.
With that being said, show me some evidence that Joe Pa would of known that his DC had a fetish for little boys. Almost all of the incidents happened after Sandusky retired. The only thing you can point to is the incident that happened in 1998 and Joe Pa was not involved in that anyway. Read the dam indictment papers.
I personally do not care about CFB. Don't care about "Penn State tradition" or being an alum. For all I care, the University can shove it lol. They take your money any way possible. What I do care about is people like you making claims that at this time are outlandish. If Joe Pa is found to be involved in the cover-up then line him up and put a bullet in his head with the rest of them. Until then, leave him out of it.
Dude, did you read the report? If so, than go to Page 7 of said report. Read that Joe Paterno was told of this, told his AD, than seemed to have no dealings with this whatsoever. Do you not think he should have been more proactive? If someone had told this to you, as a coach of a football team, with a former coach emeritus with access to the facilities, using the facilities for this action, would you not want to make sure that he did not just have his key taken away?
He may not have known about Jerry Sandusky before this, but the fact that he knew after this, than just passes the buck and lets the system take its course, well, that does not seem like someone really taking something seriously. It is cool not to be proud of your school or not like CFB, but Paterno definitely seems to be at fault here, and I think their is definite proof of that in the grand jury report.
He's the football coach and did what he was supposed to do. Looking back, should of he called the police himself? Of course that answer sure appears to be yes now. But so should of either of the McQueary's. Joe did however tell the head of campus police, Gary Schultz, so to say he didn't notify anyone within the Law is false. And that's also why Gary Schultz is being charged.
Just want to clarify. I ain't tryin to attack you. I think you probably are on of the sane PSU students who isn't drinking all the Joe Pa koolaid. You're one of my fav posters and I love having you on the Philly clique of this site.
Fact is reports are that Joe Pa was involved. If those reports didn't come out and Joe Pa wasn't technically involved, then I would be in full defense of him even as a PITT student. But if Joe Pa knew, then like u said, screw them ALL. Joe Pa saying he is going to retire, that leads me to strongly believe he knew more than any report made. He loves PSU and wouldn't want to leave otherwise even at his age, thats why hes still been around. Him deciding he wants to retire, I think gives PSU and option to give him a goodbye ceremony and make it less awkward to be the ones to throw him out.
Word, we are on the same page now. The internet makes it hard to understand each other some times but two rational people always figure it out lol.
No hate towards Pitt from Penn State btw. Most people here are cool with Pitt and their sports (some kids at PSU just flat out suck lol.) I haven't been out to the campus yet but a few friends of mine have said they love it.
Its' cuz our rivalry disappeared for the most part when PITT v PSU stopped being scheduled for football. Back in the day it was fierce rivarly but our era hasn't seen it. PSU became more dominant in football, and the Big East became a joke as a whole conference in football. Then PSU sucked in basketball and PITT became one of the great bball schools in the overrated Big East.
I'll be interested to see how our programs evolve or dissolve in the ACC.
Dude, he did not tell the police. He told Curley. Curley was the one who told Gary Schultz about it, and it seems that Schultz was NOT the head of campus police. Schultz was the VP of Business and Finance, which means he "oversaw" the University Police, but he definitely does not seem to be a police officer or official of any kind. Seems like he was much more into the fund supplying and raising aspect than an actual police officer of any sort.
So, here is what seems to be the deal. Graduate assistant sees Sandusky in the shower abusing a young boy. Graduate assistant tells Joe Paterno. Joe Paterno tells Tim Curley. Tim Curley and Gary Schultz, two administrative officers of the school rather than people having any legal back ground, meet with the graduate assistant who tells them what happened. Graduate assistant NEVER meets with campus police. Schultz and Curley tell someone at Second Mile that Sandusky should stop bringing kids onto campus facilities. Curley also told the University President, Graham Spanier, who said "Good job Tim". They never contact the police, much less have a discussion about contacting the authorities.
This being said, people are upset at Joe Paterno's actions for a reason. Jerry Sandusky did a horrible thing, Joe Paterno heard about it and passed the buck, never making sure it was something that was brought to justice or examined. Worse, Gary Schultz had heard of the child protection agency investigating Sandusky in 1998 (while he was still a coach at Penn State). Schultz did not ask for a police report or says anything to authorities. Does this not sound like a cover up to you?
Man, I understand it has to be tough, and I am not trying to pick on you, but I just do not think you are getting the right info out of this report. Their is a reason people are really upset with Joe Paterno. Of course everyone is most disgusted with Jerry Sandusky, but they are also disgusted with the way Penn State handled the situation. They find that Curley and Schultz lied under oath, and that Paterno has been &$#%#&@! footing around everything rather than taking accountability for his failure to properly address an incredibly serious situation he knew about. This is why people want him fired rather than having him play the rest of the season out and than retire.
I cant wait until he (Sandusky) goes to jail and becomes a prison b!tch
I hear ya. I might of been mistaken on who exactly told Schultz, quite possible. We had a class discussion in one of my classes today and there seemed to be a 50-50 type split on the situation.
And I totally know it was a cover up. Don't get that mistaken.
I agree 100% with what universal said. We need to reshape our priorities and value Himan life a bit more. It's ridiculous that crooks likes Casey and Anthony and Sandusky will soon be roaming around free, and dangerous. Pedophiles relapse 85% of the time after they get out of jail. I'm sorry, but if the percentage is really that high, somthing drastic needs to be done, cause stuff like this is downright nasty.
I have to say, the Michael Vick thing is not the best precedent to use here. Casey and Anthony? Or do you mean Casey Anthony? Either way, the legal system is definitely never 100% right, but I do not think that they have much to convict Paterno. I do believe they have enough for him to lose his job, however, which I think for an 84 year old man, is a fitting punishment. These things are complicated, but if Sandusky is guilty, I believe he will be going away for a long time. While I agree that Paterno not telling the authorities is horrible and should get him a sentence, I have no idea if they have enough to convict him of such a thing. Maybe it should, but I think at the very least, their is a form of punishment that could be used immediately that would send a fantastic message, which is having Joe Paterno fired immediately.
He was doing the right thing, in his own mind
By posting absolute ridiculous garbage. The fact that this is all you have to say is freaking astounding. I feel like saying this after most of what you post:
Paterno did the absolute minimal. Sure he won't get in nay trouble legaly, but he just told the AD, and then ignored it. The right thing would have been to tell the police, and put an end to this sickness. So although Paterno won't get in trouble with the law, morally, he didn't do nearly enough to put an end to this tragedy.
He did not follow through to make sure that proper action was taken. From everything that has been released thus far, it clearly was not. Going through the hierarchy and claiming ignorance is not the way to go. Taking responsibility and admitting you did the wrong thing seems to be the proper thing to do. Of course you do not want to quit on your team, but how can anyone take this guy seriously right now? He is trying to preach to these young men he coaches that one should be held accountable for his actions. Paterno is clearly not. Passing the buck is truly pathetic, so, not really buying that one.
That hurt. Bad. And I don't give a flying defecation if you are Forum MVP, because I have my own trophy and I didn't vote for you. though I respect you and most of your thought-out, higy literate, articulate posts, I shall now stand up to your harassment and annoy you as much as possible, "JimmeredYaWabafet/BichsmackedYourMomBro style".
Its a bad situation. Blame should be placed in this order: Sandusky, the grad assistant(who was 28 at the time), JoePa and Curley. Sandusky is the real bad guy here. The grad student should have beat the hell out of sandusky when he saw it or at the least call the police right there. That should have been the end. JoePa should have called the police when he heard about it. Curley should have also called the authorities when Joe Pa told him. Shame on everyone.
The real problem is that the grad asst. kept his job there. He needs to go too. He was a grown man when he seen these things and was the first person that could have made a difference. I think that is part of the outrage at State College.
I have to say, the Michael Vick thing is not the best precedent to use here.
Paterno did the absolute minimal.