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  • #54829
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    OhCanada-
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     The Phoenix Suns have a very nice dilemna going forward and will reach a point (draft day) where they have some big decisions to make as an organization going forward. They have a nice young team with good role players led by Goran Dragic and Eric Bledsoe, young role players like the Morris Twins, and Miles Plumlee, veteran role players Gerald Green, Channing Frye, PJ Tucker, and Leandro Barbosa and developmental guys like Archie Goodwin and Alex Len this team has a nice young growing core that all knows thier role and enjoys playing together.

    They also have three 1st round picks and  2nd round pick in the upcoming draft (currently 14, 17, 26, 44). I dont think it would be wise for Phoenix to draft 4 rookies to add into the lineup so they are looking at a few alternatives no doubt.

    Here are a few scenerios.

    -Package the picks to move up in the draft. Try to trade picks you have on the team and/or some of the talent for a Top 7 pick.

    -Package the picks for an impact player on the trade market.

    -Use picks to draft young talent and stash some of that talent overseas (Capela, Nurkic, Saric, Hezonja, Micic, Tavares etc.)

    With the picks they currently have I would take BPA at 14, Harrell at 17, and stash the other two picks in Europe. But if Saric declares for the draft this year I would make it a priority to draft and stash him for longterm success and as not to disrupt the current team chemistry.

     

     

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  • #888646
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    max23
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     I havent watched many suns games,but how is a player (Dragic)averaging 21 pts a game on 51% shooting,42% from 3,6 asts and ranking 16 in the nba in PER a role player?I hope this wasnt because he didnt get voted to be an all star because that was laughable,he shouldve been one…

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  • #888537
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    max23
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     I havent watched many suns games,but how is a player (Dragic)averaging 21 pts a game on 51% shooting,42% from 3,6 asts and ranking 16 in the nba in PER a role player?I hope this wasnt because he didnt get voted to be an all star because that was laughable,he shouldve been one…

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    • #888654
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       I think he didnt meant like Bledsoe and Dragic were role players, he meant that the rest of the team is roleplayers led by those two guys.

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    • #888545
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       I think he didnt meant like Bledsoe and Dragic were role players, he meant that the rest of the team is roleplayers led by those two guys.

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    • #888660
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      Tyrober
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       he said led by Dragic and Bledsoe

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    • #888551
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      Tyrober
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       he said led by Dragic and Bledsoe

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  • #888652
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    jwet33
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    What about a guy like LeVine?

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  • #888543
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    jwet33
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    What about a guy like LeVine?

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  • #888656
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    IknoBall12
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     I think dragic and Bledsoe are gonna be great along with markeiff Morris. But I do feel like they could get a player like Willie Cauley stein or maybe another big because I don’t see Channting frye fitting into their plans for much longer

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  • #888547
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    IknoBall12
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     I think dragic and Bledsoe are gonna be great along with markeiff Morris. But I do feel like they could get a player like Willie Cauley stein or maybe another big because I don’t see Channting frye fitting into their plans for much longer

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  • #888658
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    I like DeAndre Daniels if he comes out.  An athletic stretch 4 who they could use as a sixth man. 

    I actually like the mock draft on here of Shabazz Napier going to the Suns.  Why not add another killer guard?  Dragic and Bledsoe are great, so why not bring Napier off the bench as another scorer and a PURE SHOOTER?  I can see Napier lighting it up off the bench especially in the Suns’ high octane offense.

    I might not like Jarnell Stokes at 14 or 17 but if the Suns can get him at 26 (or better yet at 44) he would give them an inside guy to do the dirty work.  Solidly built, and he even has a Euro Step and a floater.  As a big man that deep in the draft, I like him.

    Harrell is a good power forward to look at.  He has lots of upside and would give them some power and athleticism inside.

    What about Willie Cauley-Stein?  They have Plumlee and Len, so they could use WCS as a third big off the bench.  Solid finisher and he can block shots. 

    If you think that a team should shore up its strengths then the Suns should go with Napier at 14 which would allow them to corner the market on quick, high scoring combo guards.  Napier can also play with either Bledsoe or Dragic. 

    At 17 I would go BPA.  Cleanthony Early would give them a small forward who can shoot 3’s and finish.  He and Green could cement the wing spots.

    At 26, I like WCS if he is still there.  Legit shot blocker who would give them a fourth big along with Plumlee, Len, and Channing Frye, with each of those bigs giving you something slightly different.

    At 44 it will be about getting VALUE.  So they should look at a late first round kind of player who falls.  Jarnell Stokes would be a solid pick.  Or, Russ Smith as a combo guard if they don’t get Napier in the first round.

    ALTHOUGH if Aaron Gordon is still on the board at 14, then you have to look at him.  A ‘Zona guy who can defend, run the floor, and rebound would be a great guy to put in at the 4.  Might not have enough range, but as an UPSIDE guy in a run ‘n gun system, Aaron Gordon has as much value as anyone.

    IDEAL draft for them: Gordon at 14, Napier at 17, WCS at 26, and then BPA at 44.  If they pick up those three guys though, the team would be LOADED.  Maybe they even trade down, sending the 76ers their pick at 44, for picks at 51 and 55 plus CASH.  Luke Hancock is a crafty 2 guard with range.  I could see him being an option that deep in the draft.  Then at 55 maybe a bruiser power forward type like Tarik Black as an enforcer.

    If they DO keep all their picks, I would look at Jarnell Stokes, Alex Poythress, and Patric Young to solidify the power forward spot.  Any of these three would be solid values at 44. 

    This team could fly up and down the court:

    Starters

    PG Goran Dragic

    SG Eric Bledsoe

    SF Gerald Green

    PF Aaron Gordon

    C  Miles Plumlee

    Bench

    PG Shabazz Napier

    SG Archie Goodwin

    SF Markieff Morris/PJ Tucker

    PF Marcus Morris/Alex Poythress

    C  Willie Cauley-Stein/Channing Frye/Alex Len

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  • #888549
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    I like DeAndre Daniels if he comes out.  An athletic stretch 4 who they could use as a sixth man. 

    I actually like the mock draft on here of Shabazz Napier going to the Suns.  Why not add another killer guard?  Dragic and Bledsoe are great, so why not bring Napier off the bench as another scorer and a PURE SHOOTER?  I can see Napier lighting it up off the bench especially in the Suns’ high octane offense.

    I might not like Jarnell Stokes at 14 or 17 but if the Suns can get him at 26 (or better yet at 44) he would give them an inside guy to do the dirty work.  Solidly built, and he even has a Euro Step and a floater.  As a big man that deep in the draft, I like him.

    Harrell is a good power forward to look at.  He has lots of upside and would give them some power and athleticism inside.

    What about Willie Cauley-Stein?  They have Plumlee and Len, so they could use WCS as a third big off the bench.  Solid finisher and he can block shots. 

    If you think that a team should shore up its strengths then the Suns should go with Napier at 14 which would allow them to corner the market on quick, high scoring combo guards.  Napier can also play with either Bledsoe or Dragic. 

    At 17 I would go BPA.  Cleanthony Early would give them a small forward who can shoot 3’s and finish.  He and Green could cement the wing spots.

    At 26, I like WCS if he is still there.  Legit shot blocker who would give them a fourth big along with Plumlee, Len, and Channing Frye, with each of those bigs giving you something slightly different.

    At 44 it will be about getting VALUE.  So they should look at a late first round kind of player who falls.  Jarnell Stokes would be a solid pick.  Or, Russ Smith as a combo guard if they don’t get Napier in the first round.

    ALTHOUGH if Aaron Gordon is still on the board at 14, then you have to look at him.  A ‘Zona guy who can defend, run the floor, and rebound would be a great guy to put in at the 4.  Might not have enough range, but as an UPSIDE guy in a run ‘n gun system, Aaron Gordon has as much value as anyone.

    IDEAL draft for them: Gordon at 14, Napier at 17, WCS at 26, and then BPA at 44.  If they pick up those three guys though, the team would be LOADED.  Maybe they even trade down, sending the 76ers their pick at 44, for picks at 51 and 55 plus CASH.  Luke Hancock is a crafty 2 guard with range.  I could see him being an option that deep in the draft.  Then at 55 maybe a bruiser power forward type like Tarik Black as an enforcer.

    If they DO keep all their picks, I would look at Jarnell Stokes, Alex Poythress, and Patric Young to solidify the power forward spot.  Any of these three would be solid values at 44. 

    This team could fly up and down the court:

    Starters

    PG Goran Dragic

    SG Eric Bledsoe

    SF Gerald Green

    PF Aaron Gordon

    C  Miles Plumlee

    Bench

    PG Shabazz Napier

    SG Archie Goodwin

    SF Markieff Morris/PJ Tucker

    PF Marcus Morris/Alex Poythress

    C  Willie Cauley-Stein/Channing Frye/Alex Len

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    • #888580
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       Kieff Morris could make a really strong case for 6th man of the year. I think both twins would play ahead of Daniels, unless Pheonix tried to move them.

      Daniels had a hell of a tourney and has the makings of a nice 3 and D combo forward, but he’s still a ways away from beating out vets on a 47+ win team.

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    • #888690
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       Kieff Morris could make a really strong case for 6th man of the year. I think both twins would play ahead of Daniels, unless Pheonix tried to move them.

      Daniels had a hell of a tourney and has the makings of a nice 3 and D combo forward, but he’s still a ways away from beating out vets on a 47+ win team.

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    • #888623
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      Swap the draft positions of Napier and WCS and put Early a little later and you’re on to something. Gordon could definitely drop but a better idea would be parlaying a couple of those picks into a better lotto selection, which, if they nailed (a possibility with McDonough and this great draft) would give them another great young player alongside Bledsoe, Dragic and the "role players" and make them a mid-seeded playoff team in a couple years.

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    • #888732
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      Swap the draft positions of Napier and WCS and put Early a little later and you’re on to something. Gordon could definitely drop but a better idea would be parlaying a couple of those picks into a better lotto selection, which, if they nailed (a possibility with McDonough and this great draft) would give them another great young player alongside Bledsoe, Dragic and the "role players" and make them a mid-seeded playoff team in a couple years.

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  • #888668
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    OhCanada-
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     Dragic is one of the most underrated players in the league probally 1a 1b 1c with Noah, Jefferson and Dragic. Definitely not a role player. All those games played backing up Nash in his prime turned him into a Top PG in todays game. 

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  • #888559
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    OhCanada-
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     Dragic is one of the most underrated players in the league probally 1a 1b 1c with Noah, Jefferson and Dragic. Definitely not a role player. All those games played backing up Nash in his prime turned him into a Top PG in todays game. 

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    • #888684
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      max23
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      My bad,misunderstood.

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    • #888574
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      max23
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      My bad,misunderstood.

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  • #888670
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    OhCanada-
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    J Wet Lavine would not fill any need. They already have a floor general ay PG in Dragic, a lead combo gaurd with Bledsoe eating up most gaurd minutes. They have Barbosa with just under 20-mpg and Green as the teams best offensive wing. Also they are developing Goodwin to replace Barbosa’s role longterm as a combo gaurd. Not much of a fit with Lavine here.

     

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  • #888561
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    OhCanada-
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    J Wet Lavine would not fill any need. They already have a floor general ay PG in Dragic, a lead combo gaurd with Bledsoe eating up most gaurd minutes. They have Barbosa with just under 20-mpg and Green as the teams best offensive wing. Also they are developing Goodwin to replace Barbosa’s role longterm as a combo gaurd. Not much of a fit with Lavine here.

     

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  • #888582
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    JoeWolf1

    I think Stauskas and Young would be great options. Dragic and Bledsoe are key pieces, but both combos. Their project at guard , Goodwin, also a combo. Bringing in a young 2 who can really shoot the ball, and give them a different look for certain backcourt rotations could help them some, right away, but even more down the line.

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  • #888692
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    I think Stauskas and Young would be great options. Dragic and Bledsoe are key pieces, but both combos. Their project at guard , Goodwin, also a combo. Bringing in a young 2 who can really shoot the ball, and give them a different look for certain backcourt rotations could help them some, right away, but even more down the line.

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  • #888610
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    TenSecondTom
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    As a Suns fan, I would really love to see Saric fall to them: the Morris twins are an excellent combination coming off the bench and if Saric develops, they could still play that role that gives the Suns an incredible advantage on the bench. With the second pick, I would love to see them add their 3 guard of the future. As in 3 guard I mean someone to run the offense when Bledsoe and Dragic are not on the court. I see Archie Goodwin as a SG/SF type because he is long and still growing. Their 3rd pick (Pacers) I don’t see where they would possibly go with that pick, maybe trade out for a 2015 pick next year or a draft and stash type. Overall this is how I would see their roster shaping out.

    PG – Bledsoe / Micic or another PG

    SG – Dragic / Goodwin

    SF – Green / Marc. Morris

    PF – Saric / Mark. Morris

    C – Plumlee / Len

    I would love PJ Tucker to stay but he is playing himself in to a big contract with his defensive prowess and ability to shoot the 3 pointer. I think the guy to replace is Frye; he is a perfect fit for this team, but as the Morris twins develop as well as Len, he is expendable if they were to draft Saric and bring him over in 2015 or 2016. As you can see they can easily have the best bench in the league with Micic, Goodwin, Morris twins, and Len or Plumlee, also this isn’t including any big FA signing they may or may not have over the course of the next two years. Another thing I would like about this roster is that it seems very cap flexible, yet highly competitive. Additionally, the Phoenix Suns have had problems in the past (although it worked out to their benefit sometimes) with guys wanting to leave for big markets (i.e. Stoudemire) I’ve been saying this for a while in regards to the Suns, but if they were to compile a team of foreign guys like Dragic, Len, Micic, Saric, they seem to be less interested in that big market atmosphere; a lot of the international players already have enough on their plate in regards to moving to a new country and seem to prefer the small-market, intimate fan base and I think that if Phoenix could take advantage of that while retaining the Morris twins they could be a deadly team for as long as Bledsoe and Dragic are on the top of their games.

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  • #888720
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    As a Suns fan, I would really love to see Saric fall to them: the Morris twins are an excellent combination coming off the bench and if Saric develops, they could still play that role that gives the Suns an incredible advantage on the bench. With the second pick, I would love to see them add their 3 guard of the future. As in 3 guard I mean someone to run the offense when Bledsoe and Dragic are not on the court. I see Archie Goodwin as a SG/SF type because he is long and still growing. Their 3rd pick (Pacers) I don’t see where they would possibly go with that pick, maybe trade out for a 2015 pick next year or a draft and stash type. Overall this is how I would see their roster shaping out.

    PG – Bledsoe / Micic or another PG

    SG – Dragic / Goodwin

    SF – Green / Marc. Morris

    PF – Saric / Mark. Morris

    C – Plumlee / Len

    I would love PJ Tucker to stay but he is playing himself in to a big contract with his defensive prowess and ability to shoot the 3 pointer. I think the guy to replace is Frye; he is a perfect fit for this team, but as the Morris twins develop as well as Len, he is expendable if they were to draft Saric and bring him over in 2015 or 2016. As you can see they can easily have the best bench in the league with Micic, Goodwin, Morris twins, and Len or Plumlee, also this isn’t including any big FA signing they may or may not have over the course of the next two years. Another thing I would like about this roster is that it seems very cap flexible, yet highly competitive. Additionally, the Phoenix Suns have had problems in the past (although it worked out to their benefit sometimes) with guys wanting to leave for big markets (i.e. Stoudemire) I’ve been saying this for a while in regards to the Suns, but if they were to compile a team of foreign guys like Dragic, Len, Micic, Saric, they seem to be less interested in that big market atmosphere; a lot of the international players already have enough on their plate in regards to moving to a new country and seem to prefer the small-market, intimate fan base and I think that if Phoenix could take advantage of that while retaining the Morris twins they could be a deadly team for as long as Bledsoe and Dragic are on the top of their games.

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  • #888681
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    Lets get Aaron Gordon.  For better or worse he’s local, rebounds and plays in transition.  Can trade up for Phillys 10th projected pick.  Team needs rebounds in the worst way.   

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  • #888791
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    Lets get Aaron Gordon.  For better or worse he’s local, rebounds and plays in transition.  Can trade up for Phillys 10th projected pick.  Team needs rebounds in the worst way.   

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  • #889903
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    jwet33
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    At 14, I see them taking a risk wi Cthlint Capella then grabbing someone like Jerami Grant with 17. I really do see them Grabbing Napier later, but they will take an international prospect who they will stash.

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    At 14, I see them taking a risk wi Cthlint Capella then grabbing someone like Jerami Grant with 17. I really do see them Grabbing Napier later, but they will take an international prospect who they will stash.

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