What NBA teams with high draft picks do you see using their draft picks as leverage for salary cap relief in 2010?
I see the Nets. Maybe the Suns. Hell, maybe even Washington.
Sorry to keep bringing up the Bulls, but I just know them the best so they are the easiest for me to use as an example.
If the Bulls do in fact trade away Kirk Hinrich, they are going to have about $25 million off the books in 2010. That would give them A LOT of flexibility in the 2010 off-season, but I think that it also gives them the ability to give Jerome James, Tim Thomas, or Brad Miller away to teams looking to gain expiring contracts. If the Bulls were to offer #16 and Jerome James to New Jersey, it gives the Nets some wiggle room for 2010. Same goes for maybe the Wizards and Suns with their draft picks, although #5 might be a little high for #16.
The Wizards are going to trade their pick, they almost have to.
Yeah the Bulls would have to offer more than #16 and an expiring contract for the 5th pick. The Bulls have some assets though to pull some sort of deal off with Washington. Wow if the Bulls got the 5th pick who would they take?
Scott42444- I'm assuming you are a Bulls fan? If Ben Gordon isn't resigned do you think the Bulls will draft a Shooting Guard or sign one through free agency. I'm a Rashad McCants fan and was wondering if you think the Bulls might think about signing him?
Yes I am a huge Bulls fan. I don't think that the Bulls are going to resign Gordon and I do think that they are going to trade Hinrich. That leaves a huge hole in our back court when at this time last year we were saying the complete opposite. I think that if the Bulls move up in the draft, it will be for Jordan Hill, Earl Clark, or DeJuan Blair.
That's what I am talking about with the "leap frogging" idea, although it rarely happens like that. You know, Bulls trade:
#16 and #26 for #10 (or Tim Thomas for #10, Skiles REALLY likes Tim Thomas, HA!) then #10 and Hinrich for #6
Expiring and 2010 1st rounder for #14, (like in 2004 with Phoenix for Luol Deng)
Then #14, #16, and #26 with expiring for #5
I really think the Bulls have no use for #16 and #26. It just doesn't seem like the draft for it to me, but maybe I am wrong.
i dont know if u guys understand y teams trade for expiring contracts. teams trade long contracts for expiring contracts. a team wouldnt save money by adding a contract just to have it end at seasons end.
if the bulls traded james and the 16th pick in order to move up in the draft they would have to take a player with a longer contract. i don't know what any of u r thinking, ur seeming pretty dumb to me.
I'm pretty sure that every single person understands what a team would trade an expiring contract for. Do I have to actually say it for you? I mean, isn't it assumed? Yes, of course they take on a longer contract. That's &$#%#&@! stupid, but I didn't think that I had to scour the roster of every team with picks in the lottery to find &$#%#&@! contracts. I picked Jerome James on purpose because he is a big, fat, piece of crap who also has a big, fat, &$#%#&@! contract and he isn't a contributing player on the Bulls. He also won't be a contributing player on any potential team that he is going to, either. As a matter of fact, if he is unable to actually get on the court next year, he will stand a good chance of being covered by an insurance policy that the Knicks took out on his contract because he will be deemed a "loss" for a business that signs "athletes" who need to be physically able to perform.
I mean, what is this a &$#%#&@! kindergarten class? Come on man, it is assumed by everyone else who read this thread that the Bulls would be taking back a contract worth approximately the same as what they send out. Yes, it's also assumed that contract will last beyond the 2009-2010 offseason.
Do I have to spell out why a team would want to have a lot of money off the books before the 2010 season as well? I mean, do I have to go on a web site devoted to the NBA Draft and actually discuss all of the free agents that will be available then? Every time I post? Or do I assume that all of the guys who have been posting back and forth on here for the last FEW YEARS all know what the hell I am "implying"?
I mean, seriously man, come on. What's next? Am I going to have to explain that when I talk about the "Bulls draft picks" I actually mean the Chicago Bulls of the National Basketball Association have two picks in the 2009 NBA Draft? Fine. The draft picks of the Chicago Bulls National Basketball Association franchise for the 2009 NBA Draft were acquired due to multiple factors, not the least of which is based on their performance the previous year. Every team in the NBA is assigned a draft pick. Draft selection order is determined by the amount of wins each team in the league accumulates in reverse order. For those teams that fail to make the NBA's "playoff tournament", which is what the league calls their post-season, the teams are entered into a lottery to determine who drafts in the 1st through 14th positions with the team who had the worst record is given the best statistical chance (25%) to acquire the 1st pick in the draft with the team who had the second worst record having the second best statistical chance to acquire the 1st pick, and so on. A series of numbers are drawn in a traditional American lottery fashion, with air pushing up equally weighted ping pong balls to the top of a "tumbler". The number that is on the each of the ping pong balls are then combined to create a longer number. This new, much longer number, correlates to numbers assigned to each participating team in the lottery system. The first numeric combination that is drawn correlates to the first choice in said draft, with the process repeated two more times to determine the second and third draft choice. Once positions 1 through 3 are determined, the remaining draft positions are determined once again by the lowest win total for the fourth draft position and continuing in that manner until all 14 "lottery" positions have been satisfied, skipping over the original position of any team that had their number chosen for positions 1 through 3. The Chicago Bulls National Basketball Association Franchise, LLC has been given the sixteenth draft position based upon record, with the twenty-sixth draft position also awarded based on a previous transaction with the Oklahoma City Thunder National Basketball Association Franchise.
Now that that has been cleared up, I think that the Bulls should trade the 16th pick and the 26th pick, along with some expiring contracts, to move up in the draft with teams that are facing financial constraints after this upcoming 2009-2010 season. Whether it be because of free agents that the team wishes to acquire or because of luxury tax constraints based on escalating salary structures.
Plus, the part about not resigning Gordon and trading Hinrich also implies that the Bulls will have even MORE room under the salary cap than the estimated $20 million worth of space they have already cleared. That means that they are in a position of strength when it comes to trading around expiring contracts and could afford to take on some salary without hurting any potential free agents they wish to pursue in 2010.
Is that better? By the way, I just ripped that off the top of my head at 5:30 in the morning so if I left some part out just assume that I implied it. Okay?
Your awsome. That was the best rant I ever heard. And just for the record I believe it is implied!
I tried not to be harsh but come on. While I tend to disagree with half the people on this site about their opinions, I try to be somewhat respectful of their opinions. No matter how outlandish, I don't think that someone who has a sudden interest in the NBA (especially after this off-season) and/or the NBA Draft should be made to feel like an idiot. That just scares people off.
But I'm sorry, having someone say "U R DUM" about something so ridiculously stupid just drives me insane. I don't know who gave you a "thumbs down" there either, but I put you back to zero with a thumbs up.
Help this thread get back on track...I would like to see what trade situations someone might see using expiring contracts as the main component
settle down man....
To be honest, I was kind of thinking the same thing. And if it is implied, do you really think that the bulls are going to waste one of their huge expiring contracts on moving up in this &$#%#&@! draft? Just to have to pick up some other longer contract? I donno, that doesn't sound like a smart basketball decision to me. ESPECIALLY if they aren't going to resign Ben Gordon. If they don't sign Ben it's because they're trying to be under the cap in 2010....and if that's the goal, I dont think they take on a longer contract just to move up in this crappy draft.... just my opinion though.
I could see the Bulls dangling Kirk to the Wolves- who seem enamored by Kirk, but now that I just checked the salaries it doesn't really seem likely.
I don't see the Bulls trading that pick... the difference between 6 and 16 in this draft is so slim that I don't think they try and trade up unless they get a sweet offer.