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- Posted on: Tue, 06/02/2009 - 11:10am #4374
Lodzio20Participantwho tell James Harden is unathletic??he has 37 inch vertical, bench 185 lbs 17 times and he’s fast…
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Stanford hoopsParticipantalso hansboroh isnt as athleticly stunted as some believe
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/02/2009 - 11:18am #155701
R-Dot-13Participantit seems 2nd rounders like beaubois, meeks and mcclinton did very well.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/02/2009 - 11:24am #155703
Stanford hoopsParticipantwhats really suprising is that wayne ellington has a higher vert then gerald henderson????…who would have thought that…and its only .5 lower then derozens
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/02/2009 - 11:25am #155704
Lodzio20ParticipantEllington in last year pre-draft camp has 34 inch Vertical, today has 38…good progress
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/02/2009 - 11:43am #155716
eprizzle14Participantcan i get the links?
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/02/2009 - 11:56am #155726
jaycee24ParticipantWowww
Check out Johnny Flynn 40 inch vert I think this definitly puts him in the lotto now0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/02/2009 - 12:03pm #155730
Mr.Duke 1426ParticipantI hope this will show everyone how athletic James Harden really is. I dont know why you guys wouldn’t trust me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj1HjwTBP7M
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/02/2009 - 12:06pm #155731
RemarqParticipantYeah Flynn having the highest vert was not what i was expecting. Good for him.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/02/2009 - 12:09pm #155733
R-Dot-13Participantyeah jonny flynns 40 is amazing.
and i didnt expect ellingtons to be so high0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/02/2009 - 12:17pm #155736
Mr.Duke 1426ParticipantHow bout stephen curry with a 35.5 inch vert and 10 REPS! I wouldnt have had him doing one rep just by looking at him! Anybody else?
0- Posted on: Tue, 06/02/2009 - 12:24pm #155738
shipargosParticipantCurry seems to be stronger and Athletic than he looks
Harden and Ellington are two big surprises, Harden impresses me with his work ethic, i doubt he was so fast in college.Anyone knows why Thabeet didnt participate?
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- Posted on: Tue, 06/02/2009 - 12:29pm #155739
sheltwon3ParticipantI know this showed a lot about people’s misperceptions even my own against Harbrough. I see him as a poor mans Lee and maybe Nick Collison. I still dont see Ellington moving in the lottery though too many people above him did well. I dont see Henderson overtaking Ellington now though. I will say this though this is not a indicator or if a player is good or not it just confirmed some things we know and showed us some we didnt because you had a player like Ellis who is a top athlete in the league now and he did terrible in the Combines. I guess the people that doubted me when I said Curry was the real deal before all this came out and he showed decent point guard skills. He will go down as one of the best from this year from the get go. I do hope he falls to the Knicks at 8. I think they will help them a lot and they need it.
0- Posted on: Tue, 06/02/2009 - 2:23pm #155798
crispcountyParticipantSheltwon u made a lot of good points, but i only wanted to give u some insight on Monta Ellis’ combine results. He was injured late in his senior year as he was gearing up for the all-star games, etc etc. That’s why he tested so badly at the combine & that’s also why he slipped into the second round of the draft in 05′. That young man was a beast (& still is) & actually shared the usatoday player of the year award with greg oden that year.
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- Posted on: Tue, 06/02/2009 - 12:30pm #155740
sheltwon3ParticipantI will have to redo my draft now.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/02/2009 - 12:38pm #155743
auberParticipantAustin Daye not putting up atleast one rep of 185 up is pathetic. I mean honestly can we stop praising this tweaner?
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/02/2009 - 12:42pm #155744
deuce4offYeah, after this pathetic performance Austin Daye better return for another year. 0 bench reps, slowest 3/4 sprint (DeJuan Blair beating this guy down the court) and abismal vert and lane agility…..he has no chance of getting drafted 1st round this year.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/02/2009 - 1:09pm #155757
eprizzle14Participantproving he’s got athleticism + 20 reps. Brown, Cunningham, and Summers are my sleepers
0- Posted on: Tue, 06/02/2009 - 1:14pm #155760
GreenLanternParticipantThanks for pointing out D. Brown eprizzle. I’ve been trying to pump him up for a while. He won the athlete portion of the combine hands down. Also I owe S. Curry an apology, the guy is gonna be better than I thought in the right situation. Harden definitely is going top 6 while I had him slipping to 9 at first, but I still think it’s possible for 1 or 2 GMs to try and get cute and do something stupid.
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- Posted on: Tue, 06/02/2009 - 1:25pm #155767
ncballerhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL4qDcL4tmE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_08K2wt-5G0&feature=related
(In fact, IIRC that dunk was over Jordan Hill)
When Ellington wants to he can sky above the rim. Sometimes he just becomes too content with his jumpshot although he has gotten much better lately at slashing. I think he is going to have a Courtney Lee impact his rookie season.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/02/2009 - 2:01pm #155779
WälseParticipantwhy do yall think it is that football players are so much more impressive in explosive athletic tests such as standing vertical leap? (there have been guys in the NFL with no step verts higher than this crops best running vert.) is it because more stock is put into combines in football? is it because weight training is more prevalent in football? or are football players just more explosive athletes as a whole? i’ve always said that the NBA has the best athletes in the world, but i’m starting to rethink that position. obviously they are much more explosive strength wise, but it seems to be that they just have better athletes. any thoughts?
0- Posted on: Tue, 06/02/2009 - 4:15pm #155848
bron42Participantfirst off…nfl combine is more about these stats. like running a 4.3 can boost you up quicker in the nfl draft than it would in the nba. So guys who train for the nfl can focus on just that stuff while most of the basketball guys are focusing more on the skill side of it since that will boost them faster than surprising athletic ability that only shows up during the combine (ala tyler)
And for the people who said this proves tyler isn’t a stiff? It actually doesn’t. Its actually even worse cuz it shows test wise hes a decent athlete for his size (still not above average but not below either) but his vert and speed never shows up in games. Like his vert isn’t much different than blake griffins on paper meanwhile we ALLL know blake is a much better athlete just by watching them both play. So does it really help his case that the combine shows hes pretty fast but game take he looks slow and out of shape? no, i’d rather a guy who looks better during a game than a guy who just trained for a month to specifically look good in theres 4-5 drills which isn’t hard. Camps all over teach people how to trick these tests like if you pull your shoulder blades together during the reach test, it will shorten your reach alil but give you a few more inches during the vert test when their not pulled together.
0- Posted on: Tue, 06/02/2009 - 5:44pm #155883
tkd720manParticipantI tend to disagree with you about what these numbers say about Hansbrough. I think they DO prove he’s not stiff. First of all, Blake Griffin is an athletic freak of nature – it doesn’t say anything about anyone else to point out that Griffin is more athletic. So let’s leave that comparison alone.
Compare Hansbrough’s numbers to some other guys’, though, and things become very interesting. He’s got better foot speed than Jordan Hill and Earl Clark, for example – two guys who have NEVER been accused of being un-athletic. These numbers also add an objective measure to what he’s shown on the court – multiple times, especially this past season, he had a lot of success staying with much faster guards on the perimeter after switching on a screen.
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- Posted on: Tue, 06/02/2009 - 2:04pm #155783
QHaynes123IMO..we should not look to hard into this…i mean the only i would truly look at is max vert for undersized players ( Flynn, Lawson, Blair) to see if they could match up and handle the postions they want to play.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/02/2009 - 2:04pm #155784
AstroParticipantThe weight he shed may have helped, but he didn’t look like he had real impressive first-step quickness in the tournament. Lane agility is 11.1 sec. – ok, not super-impressive. Not sure how how well that drill measures first-step (as opposed to lateral) quickness, which is most directly related to creating a shot.
But he has clearly done the work and helped himself.
Yeah, Summers is my sleeper too. He looked like he had really good lateral quickness during the season, and with his size he can be an outstanding defender at SF.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/02/2009 - 2:13pm #155796
bbrzParticipantI hope Jonny Flynn isnt working his way out of Milwaukee at 10!!! 40 inch vertical man what hasn’t this guy done to help his stock?!!! He’d be the perfect fit with the bucks with Redd,Jefferson and Bogut. cut it out jonny we need you here in Milwaukee!!!
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/02/2009 - 2:49pm #155809
IndianaBasketballParticipantJoe Alexander, DJ Strawberry, Dominic James… All players who tested off the charts at the combine. What did Joe Alexander do this past season? NOTHING. DJ Strawberry? Not even in the NBA at this moment. Dominic James? Returned to Marquette. My point is these tests don’t mean much when it’s all said & done. Look at Kevin Durrant… He tested horrible at the combine (VERY similar to Austin Daye in this years combine) & look at what he’s doing now. Other players haven’t tested that great either & have gone on to become big time scorers & players. Look at Brook Lopez’s testing from last year… It’s probably what made him slip in the draft. BIG mistake.
0- Posted on: Tue, 06/02/2009 - 3:47pm #155837
AstroParticipantThe measurements are just a piece of the puzzle — however if they contradict impressive performances against top competition, one needn’t be too concerned.
For example, Blake Griffin’s NCAA tournament performance spoke volumes.
James Harden’s did too, not in a good way. Now the GMs must judge whether a slimmed down Harden can be an effective NBA player.
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- Posted on: Tue, 06/02/2009 - 6:09pm #155891
bobbybParticipanthow does benching help you in basketball?
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/02/2009 - 6:13pm #155892
Meditated StatesParticipantYou can train to do good on a event. I am not surprised Flynn had the most hops I think he is a lotto pick, always have. I knew Steph Curry could jump too. Daye is not a NBA player right now and might never be. I knew Harden could jump I just have not seen him play up to a 3rd pick in the draft level when I saw him in the regular season or the post season. We will see how all those test transfer over in the NBA. In football you learn the combine does not mean everything in the league just where maybe you get drafted. Do the guys carry a ball in the speed test drills?
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/02/2009 - 6:27pm #155898
joecheck88Participantellington tested great at the combine but henderson is the better leaper. ive seen both dunk and henderson wins hands down. can someone tell me how the combine works? ex. how many chances to test vert. but watch henderson in the 06 mcdonald’s dunk contest and tell me ellington can do that same windmill. maybe henderson hangs longer. they should have hang time in the combine. have them do a reverse layup and see how long they r in the air.
0- Posted on: Tue, 06/02/2009 - 8:11pm #155919
shipargosParticipantHenderson might be a better dunker ( because a dunk also mixes up coordination) Body Coordination is not easy to measure. Example, Bj Mullens throwing Windmills, He tested just ok on the vertical tests for a big man, but he is clearly a very good dunker, it means he has nice body coordination even tough he is not a great leaper.
Add both things together (high jump and coordination) and you have a monster dunker like Lebron or bryant.
P.D throw them together with a low BKB IQ and you have G.Green!!
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- Posted on: Wed, 06/03/2009 - 2:20am #155936
rtbtParticipantFirst I would like to agree with tezo83’s comments, I think they were excellent.
Yes these athletic test scores are great for discussions, but how you play the game is what really counts. Having said that, there is one category I found interesting, the Standing vs Vertical Max jumping measurements.
Blake Griffin and Luke Harangody had two of the best discrepancy scores. There was only a 3.5 or 4.0 inch discrepancy for them. In other words, their standing vertical is almost as good as their Max vertical. However, if you check out Chase Budinger, he had a huge 9 inch difference between the two types of jumps
In another message, I’ll explain why I think this could have some significance.
0- Posted on: Wed, 06/03/2009 - 3:58am #155946
shipargosParticipantNo step vertical helps in the explosiveness area, look Derrick rose with 34.5 or Howard.
Standing dunk, Rebounds and first step would be the affected attributesMax vertical
Helps in the dunking area, specially in transition, also helps after the first step has been taken in a penetration to fly high above the big man trying to block, also helps defensively in transition shot blocking. Rose has also the edge here making 40 inches, so Rose is terribly explosive and a high flyer.Look Oden numbers 32 no step and 34, looks very similar to Griffin, Good for rebounding and standing dunk purposes.
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- Posted on: Wed, 06/03/2009 - 4:06am #155947
rtbtParticipantshipargos, I thought that your explanation was excellent.
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