How will he compare to Derrick Rose? I'd say not even close.
Ricky is Tremendous Basketball player with great knowledge for the Game...Look this kid played against team USA at the summer games last Year and for 17 year old his performance was Great...Rubio is not your typical European Basketball player, he plays defense and he runs the show... He reminds me off Jose on the Toronto Raptors. Rubio is A Number one overrall pick a year from now and a top three pick this year.
Rubio should be number 1 if he declares this year. I'll take a point guard of his stature over an undersized Blake Griffin Anyday. Look at the Rose and Beasley turn out last season. Beasley was the sexy pick where Rose was the smart one. Great teams usually have great point guards and atleast 10-15 teams could use a player of rubios caliber
We all know Derrick Rose is a tremendous player, but to compare these two players isn't fair. they are different types of point guards, Derrick Rose is a big strong guard who can attack like a young Jason Kidd or Deron Williams. While Rubio who is more a pure shooter then Rose, and who is more under control. Rubio is going to be a Steve Nash player, and who wouldn't want Nash on their team. The bottom line is there is not a prototypical point guard in the league, it doesn't matter what your vital stats are it's just how you play the game. All the great players have some attributes that others players want vice versa. If I had to take one of these players for the next ten years I would probably take Rubio. I think he could win championships, and could be a better leader than Rose. I feel Rose has confidence, but doesn't want to be the whole show. I know you think I'm crazy because he took over the NCAA tourney last year, but remember Rose was playing with house money. If he played poorly in the tourney people would just say O he's a freshman, and he made a freshman mistake and no one would rip him, there wasn't any pressure.
Rubio might be overrated what he did aganist the US team was aiight Patty Mills gave them headaches to but I intrested to see how he plays when his teamates are American (will he be as comfortable) Im wondering who well Rubio will hold up aganist DWill, CP3, toneParker, Devin Harris, Rose, Westbrook, Rondo, Stuckey, etc does he have the confidence and physical ability
You are about one of the dumbest dudes ever. Not a true or accurate evaluation of anything. Take Ricky over Blake if you want to and be one of the dumbest GM's ever.... I like D. Rose but when Beasley becomes a go to player then Beasley would have been the better pick. They GAVE D. Rose that team to do whatever he wants. You think if Beasley played for a team that gives him consistent minutes and the TEAM, he wouldn't average more than he is? You are a joke man. NAME 1 great PG that the team is evolved around him that has a ring? Im waiting........ Deron haven't made it to the ALL-STAR game, Paul can't beat the Spurs, Kidd? This is my point. And all of them have some type of athletic ability... Ricky? really? One scout said this kid can't gaurd ANYONE... I repeat ANYONE... You take non-athletic, non-jump shot, 18 year old if you want to... PG is the hardest positon to play in the league and you wanna take a 18 year old overseas player #1? Name one 18 year old from overseas that did ANYTHING in this league? Darko? LOL... I wouldn't dare to take him over a player you KNOW will be an All-Star....
I feel like everyone is racial when it comes to Anglo-Saxon players.... Just because he's white doesn't mean he has a jumper... Ricky Rubio shot is HORRIBLE... I repeat HORRIBLE... D. Rose had a better one coming out of Memphis (which was his only problem scouts say... But really improved this year on it). Which further shows that taking him over Blake will be risky....
Apparently some people on this site feel like I offended you by calling you the dumbest dude ever. So let me be politically correct. By picking Ricky over Blake you will be considered the George W. Bush of scouts. I looked at every GOOD Point Guard in the league that don't have a jumper, then I looked at Ricky. Majority of those PG's have elite athleticism and is a lock-down defender. Ricky has neither so its hard for me to understand taking him over someone that's proven as in Blake Griffin.
The D.Rose and B-Eazy thing, I only stated that your statement was horrible because they are still rookies with different circumstances so an accurate assessment can not be done.
Don't understand what you wrote, but I think Rubio is Spanish. Anyways I don't know how to put it, but everyone considers Rubio a consensus top 3 pick in this years or next years draft. I wasn't comparing Rubio with Rose I said they were different players. Everybody in the world says Rubio is going to be a stud. Also never put that I would take Rubio over Griffin.Don't put words in my mouth. Next time don't call me out don't disrespect people. I don't disrespect you or anyone on this site.
Ricky Rubio is the most exciting defensive player I have ever seen. I have no idea what that scout who says he couldn't guard anyone was thinking..that's just mind boggling for anyone who has ever watched one of his games...
Rubio led the Euroleague in steals as a 16 year old. He averaged 3.5 steals per game (twice as much as anyone else) in only 18 mpg! Do you have any idea how incredible that is?
Ricky tore ligaments in his wrist during the first quarter of the gold medal game against the USA, eventually needed surgery, missed half of this season and has been playing with a cast on his wrist all year long. Yet, here are his stats from his last few games..
Last game - 26 min 15 pts (3-4 from 3pt) 10 assts 7 rebounds 3 steals
2 games ago -19min 17pts (2-3 from 3pt) 4 rbs, 6 assts, 3 steals
3 games ago 16 pts, 10 assists 7 steals
Now , obviously getting a lot of steals doesn't mean being a lock down defender. Chris Paul is a great example of this, but from what I've seen ricky rubio is pretty damn good.
As far as his shooting..well it's hard to judge..he's been playing with a cast on his wrist all year long. Yet he's still LEADING THE LEAGUE IN 3 pt shooting!! Shooting 50% from 3pt...not too shabby...let's see what he can do when he can actually bend his wrist. He also leads the league (ACB) in assists
Of course no Rubio post would be complete without a highlight vid..
this from last game
and here he is from his game in the copa del ray tournament...this is a must watch if you want to get an assessment of how good he is..and exciting
what i dont understand is why is stephen curry so far down on the list , dude is tearin it up this year 28 points per game and 5 assists and is expected to be going 14th you got to be kidding me . every year this kids been getting better and better is average is going up each year . ( rubio is good but i just hope that a man with all this hype doesnt turn out like a darko )
It sounds like a broken record but Rubio in my opinion isnt going to be that good an nba point. He is just like sergio rodriguez, a flashy player thats real weak defensively and will turn it over at a high rate in the NBA and isnt a good shooter. He isnt a special athlete or a great complete offensive talent (meaning he cant do everything on the offensive side of the floor). One thing I like about him though is that he looks good running the pick and roll and he has nice handles, so he will be fun to watch probably. He isnt going to be able to play the passing lanes as easily in the NBA and that will make him even more ineffective defensively. But like I said before,he could just as well turn out to be a playmaker on Steve Nash level so we will have to wait for him to develop to see that.
Why do you guys keep saying he is 'real weak defensively'? Have you even seen him play?
Here is what a guy from Draftexpress has to say about his defensive ability..."A part of his game we've discussed time after time, but continue to take great delight in, is his uncanny knack for getting in the passing lanes. Needless to say, Rubio leads the ACB in this category at 3 steals per-40. One of the most fun parts of seeing Rubio perform is watching him off the ball defensively. As the opposition moves the ball around the court, you can see Rubio anticipating their next move, closing down angles just as a pass is about to be made, pouncing at just the right moment, getting his long arms on the ball to create the deflection, and taking the ball the other way. At one point he had three consecutive steals in three possessions, all of which finished with a basket for his team—highlighting the way he can change the complexion of a game in his own unique way. "
as for his on the ball defense "and he’s an absolute nuisance playing defense on the ball. "
NBA draft lists his defense as 9/10.
Against the USA in the Olympics he had 6 steals in two games. Playing 18 minutes in the first game and 29 in the second, the vast majority of that game with a torn wrist. He picked Chris Paul's pocket a few times...as a HS Junior!
With the lack of talented PG's in this draft, Rubio should be taken in the top 5. Heard he has "a monster buyout that would require him to be one of the top 3 picks," so rest assured that if he and his agent put his name in that he will be called before the 4th pick. Personally, (guards) I wouldn't take him before Harden, Henderson, Warren or Teague, but that's me. Also think Brandon Jennings has WAY more natural talent, but who knows whether his head will allow him to fullfill it. The only college PG i would even consider taking over Rubio/Jennings would be Jonny Flynn if he came out ( hope he doesn't).
Huh? What was disrespectful? I wrote the rebuttal to everything you are saying in the Memphis are you serious post you wrote. (but it was to James Harden 13)
I know what an Anglo-saxon is and depending on who you ask Spaniards are linked to British people.
But to my point on you is that you said Ricky Rubio was a pure shooter (did you not?). I said that is not the case and I feel that PEOPLE (in general) are racial when it comes to white Basketball players. People automatically think that a white kid can shoot and has high basketball IQ. Its not true. (The same can be said to the NFL and QBs but that a different arguement).
And the Griffin thing, I kinda linked my arugement with AUBER with you. I didn't mean that you said you would take Griffin over Rubio.
Allen Iverson has lead the league in steals for years. He can't guard anyone.
I'm not comparing Ricky to AI, I'm just saying that Ricky can't guard ANYONE... A scout told the sports writer that he can't guard HIM. LOL... Just getting steals in the passing lane does NOT mean you are a great defensive player.
The league is changing. EVERYONE is expected to guard their man. LBJ, Wade, Kobe... Players are held accountable for their defense or lack there of. Its not the same. If Ricky was to go to the Knicks and Mikey D, then I would say he will have a great career because that coach can make ANYONE look good. But if he go to a team that doesn't play that style of play (score first, defense second) then he will be like Nash vs. Rondo a couple of weeks ago.
I don't care what anyone say in a WEAK draft. If I look at the league and his position, I just don't see it. I hope he proves me wrong. Until he gets a jumper, I don't see how he will be a star.
I completely agree with you AI statement. And I've read the article in which you are referring to that scout saying Rubio can't guard anyone. But that's the only scout I've ever heard say that, everyone else thinks he's a great defender, and if you watch his games..it's just unbelievable.
You can't just take one scout's opinion. For instance, this is from a NYTimes article
" What has impressed N.B.A. scouts is Rubio's defensive ability. He has long arms, quick feet and the strength to defend N.B.A. guards immediately, something that few American college players are ready to do."
"But it's his defense that had me ready to offer Rubio a contract. You don't usually find defensive precociousness in young guards with show in their games."
We gotta ask ourselves, what is this kid's rubio ceiling. I say he will turn out to be as good as or little below the level of his fellow statesman jose calderon, and that may be pushing it cause he's turned out to be a solid pro. So now I ask, would you take jose calderon with the #1 pick. I know this is a crazy way to think about it, but I think its useful. And come on, if this guy is being considered poor defensively against euroleague comp, do you think the nba is going to be any more merciful. And the fact that his jump shot is not even up to par is even more alarming due to the fact that he may have to rely on it more if he comes to the nba. However he's still young though, so that part of his game could develop. Taking a foreign point guard at #1 would be a dangerous sell to any fan base and a risky pick for any gm. I give him maybe top 5-10. I think he's coming out in '10 anyway cause I believe he's locked up in his contract and has a buyout. He still seems like he's a good player, should do well in the nba, but you just never know sometimes.
Good points man.
Ricky Rubio is better than Derrick Rose and will be a better pro at his position than Blake Griffin.
Rubio should be the #1 overall pick.
First of all, i can´t be completely objective with Rubio, due to i´m spaniard and like this kind of players, but i wanted to explain my point of view about his possible impact on the league. I´ve seen a lot of Rubio´s complete games this season and taking into account the several differences between both competition rules (shorter games, 3 point line closer, zone defense) it´s very difficult to say if he would be a good NBA player. I mean, it was obvius that Gasol would be an star, but with european guards you have a true lottery. Navarro, Rodríguez and Raúl Lopez were stars in their respective teams, but didn´t adapt to the NBA systems. Calderon was not an star and look at him.
Ricky seems to be a very smart player (he usually acts like a veteran), but i also think he is overrated and will disappoint a lot of people looking for the next Steve Nash. He is not able to score a lot, not jumper shoot and the most of his 3 pointer comes because team ball movements (he can no create his own shoots against a good nba defender). Yes he is really fast and i´m sure he will make more than 10 assits (and a lot of alley-hoops), but he is not a true scorer or shooter.
But one thing i´ve no doubt about Rubio is defense. He is the best defender i´ve never seen!! he use his long arms and quickness to prevent penetrations, but he always stay alert at the same time to the pass lines (his huge steals statics show it), and very fast closing rival players on two and one defense. I played basketball all my life, and i´d prefer to try to make a dunk on the face of Howard (and i can´t by my own) that trying to avoid Rubio´s defense.
In summary: Ricky is a real good player, but maybe not the star that anyone is trying to sell. There are several factors that could slow his progression down on NBA (food, family and home yearnings, lot of long travels, different rules and duration of the games), but maybe i´m wrong (and i really hope so).
lines (his huge steals statics show it), and very fast closing rival players on two and one defense. I played basketball all my life, and i´d prefer to try to make a dunk on the face of Howard (and i can´t by my own) that trying to avoid Rubio´s defense.
In summary: Ricky is a real good player, but maybe not the star that anyone is trying to sell. There are several factors that could slow his progression down on NBA (food, family and home yearnings, lot of long travels, different rules and duration of the games), but maybe i´m wrong (and i really hope so).pire
First of all, I have seen Rubio play. More than once. (Yes, I am spanish).
I am scared of your comparisons. Rubio > D.Rose? NO WAY man. No way. Rubio is no better than Calderon at this stage, he can't defend and he's not quick.
He will improve, he has nice handles, great IQ...but:
A) He CAN'T shoot. He doesn't have a jumpshot at all because he doesn't jump when he shots. He can shoot well when he's standing on his feet, but he'll be blocked in the NBA
B) He is (at best) average athlete. Yesterday Raul Lopez (ex-Jazz) reminded me to Steve Nash, and for that Rubio is to blame. He gambles too much to get the steal, often leading to easy baskets.
I'm not saying he won't be a star, -no crystal ball- but he's 18...the next 2 years he'll be a flashy Jason Williams at best. And he'll have a hard time guarding big athletic PG's.
Rubio will be like White Chocolate in his 1st season - 8 to 12 ppg, 2 to 4 rpg and 4 to 6 apg.
But by year 3, Im expecting him to be a Kidd/ Pistol pete like player- 18 to 24 ppg, 5 to 7 rpg and 7 to 10 apg
lol..and youre baseing those stats on what..hes not a great rebounder at all and hes not a prolific scorer
I'm going to guess Rubio goes Stockton and averages more assists this season than points.
7 points, 5 boards, 8 assists, 2 steals.
thats alot more realistic..more than likely by midseason he will be the 6th man unless he starts out as the 6th man
There may be questions about his athleticism and shooting but nobody can doubt his passing ability.
a couple of gms doubt it becuase of how the guards in europe arent as athletic as they are here so they cant get into the passing lanes and cant apply enough pressure to stop most of the passes..he averages 6ast a game..thats respectable but he also leads spain in tunrovers...hes gonna have his hands full with the nba guards..he may adjust ina coupel of years but in the beginning its gonna be hell for him
Season: 2008-2009 (Spain)
Team G MIN PTS 2FGP 3FGP FT RO RD RT AS PF BS ST
DKV Joventut Badalona 24 527 238 42-108 24-56 82-101 19 47 66 143 57 3 52
DKV Joventut Badalona 24 22.0 9.9 38.9% 42.9% 81.2% 0.8 2.0 2.8 6.0 2.4 0.1 2.2
Season: 2008 (Olympic Games)
Team G MIN PTS 2FGP 3FGP FT RO RD RT AS PF BS ST
Spain 8 148 38 7-20 2-12 18-23 11 21 32 24 17 1 17
Spain 8 18.5 4.8 35.0% 16.7% 78.3% 1.4 2.6 4.0 3.0 2.1 0.1 2.1
I think that ricky rubio will be a force in the NBA. After all, he is only 18. He has a 20 year career to develop into that great player the scouts say he will be.
I heard that assists are tougher to get overseas. I am very confident Rubio will lead all rookies in assists and possibly steals.
You have been pretty hard on him. I've watched a few of his games and think he is an amazing talent. From what I've seen he is a lot quicker than everybody gives him credit for. I really want him to succeed in the NBA.
my thing are the peopel who never seen him play in leauge games talk about how great he is gonna be from the gate just from seeing you tube clips...maybe in the future he will be very good and he has great potential but no one is realizeing how young he is on top of how different the game is in the nba and how much trouble he has with american guards..also the fact that he racks up alot of turnovers which on top of everything else will keep him as a back up in the beginning
He gambles too much in both ends of the floor, but some TO's he's had are due to his teammates not anticipating the pass... he will get less points than assists I think. But we cant forget he plays 20 mpg, not 40 like he will do in the NBA.
We can not question his passing ability, and I think he'll improve his shot. Remember Jose Calderon came with NO jumpshot at all and now he's .500/.400/.900 in da league.
I see him having a hard time on screens and getting on D with bigger star guards, but he has time on his hand.
If I were Memphis, I would either pick him and trade him or pick him and next year I'd be opting to a top5 pick anyway...
By the way, I'm not sold on Thabeet. If Blair can get the best of him, what about ANY NBA big man? In college he looked like a man playing with kids, but in the league there are experienced big man to get physical, others can be skillful...I dont see him in doing a Mutombo
This is an interesting thread and I would like to add a few of my own observations.
1. He's only 18 years old. If he were in America, he would probably be a high school senior. Common sense tells you he has a long way to go before his game is complete.
2. There are numerous players in the NBA who don't play much defense. Although defense is critical to winning games, almost every team in the league has one or two players who are very weak.
3. I would not take Rubio at the number 2 or 3 slot in the draft. He may turn into the kind of play making super star many are predicting, but he may also fail to adjust to the American game. For me, that's too much of a gamble with the 2nd or 3rd choice in the draft.
As for the Sergio Rodriguez example, I think too many people are assuming he's been a failure. I think if he goes to another team that truly needs a point game, and a team that runs the court, he could become an outstanding point guard in the NBA. Don't forget, he's only 23 years old and he's never been given an opportunity to play regularly. It's hard to perform at a high level when you have a coach who takes you out after you commit one or two errors. Starters know they're going to stay in the game when they make mistakes. Rodgriguez hasn't played for a coach who has confidence in his abilities.
exactly...see my thing isnt that he is not gonna be good eventually..its the fact that most people on this thread have only seen youtube clips and think hes gonna come in and just dominate from the start which will not be the case....how many people his age have even dominated from the start?...the closest would be lebron and hes a freak of nature..the next stat wise would be amare and hes a big thats athletic as hell
Year 1: 18.2 minutes 5.6 points 5.1 assists 1.3 steals
Year 2: 23.6 minutes 7.7 points 7.4 assists 1.9 steals
Year 3: 22.7 minutes 7.9 points 8.2 assists 2.2 steals
Similar numbers for Rubio in his first few years? Stockton also wasn't a great shooter/athlete when he came in the league. They are really similar in terms of their defense and passing nuances. They both even play through pain. Lol.
Amazing numbers for Stockton BTW...
i can see that..now thats alot more realistic then him being a super star in year one