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- Posted on: Sat, 08/03/2013 - 8:46am #51614
HaleParticipantSo I’ve heard this term on the site a bit recently and it is unbelievable that it’s considered a bad thing. The point of sports in general is to WIN. So when did sacrificing your own numbers/salary/etc to win become a BAD thing? When LeBron joined the Heat? Yeah, that pissed people off because when you are one of the greatest to ever play the idea/myth is that you should do it on your own (although Hakeeem is virtually the only person to do it) but in reality it is 100% selfishness and hypocrisy on the part of the fans. Fans got pissed because he basically assured himself a championship and thought they wouldn’t be able to witness him doing his one-man show with Cleveland anymore (he basically did that for stretches this year anyway).
We always bash people for taking too much money or for playing for stats on a garbage team yet when they do the exact opposite they still get bashed. I don’t understand how the hell can anyone blame Greg Oden for going to the Heat. He gets to play with the best player in the world, for the defending champs, won’t have to be relied upon right away and fits an absolute need for them. People need to think about what they are talking about because those who coin that term are basically saying players shouldn’t give a damn about winning unless they go to the team they like. Get a fucking clue.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 08/03/2013 - 9:01am #829524
llperezi agree with you for the most part. Nobody should ever have to defend themselves for wanting to win. And especially when the media and stars of the past talk about todays players like they need to prove themselves all the time, im sure LeBron is thinking, "magic, you played with 8 deep stacked squads. Jordan, you played with hall of famers who could lock guys up on defense. Bird, you had maybe the greatest frontcourt in history having your back." Why the hell does he have to win by himself?
With that said, I think there is some animosity from the standpoint of WHO they join. My biggest thing with LeBron was him playing with Wade. Wade was in the discussion for top 2-3 wing player in the game right there with LeBron. It just didn’t feel right to join a guy who you should be going at it with. Or with ray allen, he joins the team that just knocked him out of the playoffs? The team that is his biggest rival? Its like if reggie miller wants to win a ring and he joins the knicks his last year in the league. Just something about me as a fan wants to see the competitive desire to not only win, but to do it by beating the guy who has been standing in front of you, not siding with him.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 08/03/2013 - 9:01am #829416
llperezi agree with you for the most part. Nobody should ever have to defend themselves for wanting to win. And especially when the media and stars of the past talk about todays players like they need to prove themselves all the time, im sure LeBron is thinking, "magic, you played with 8 deep stacked squads. Jordan, you played with hall of famers who could lock guys up on defense. Bird, you had maybe the greatest frontcourt in history having your back." Why the hell does he have to win by himself?
With that said, I think there is some animosity from the standpoint of WHO they join. My biggest thing with LeBron was him playing with Wade. Wade was in the discussion for top 2-3 wing player in the game right there with LeBron. It just didn’t feel right to join a guy who you should be going at it with. Or with ray allen, he joins the team that just knocked him out of the playoffs? The team that is his biggest rival? Its like if reggie miller wants to win a ring and he joins the knicks his last year in the league. Just something about me as a fan wants to see the competitive desire to not only win, but to do it by beating the guy who has been standing in front of you, not siding with him.
0- Posted on: Sat, 08/03/2013 - 9:14am #829530
HaleParticipantI understand that, but that is YOUR preference as a fan and something YOU want. I despise Wade with all of my being and didn’t want LeBron to join up with him either but we have no right to ridicule a guy for taking quite a bit less money so that he could win because that should always be the most important thing. What WE want shouldn’t matter whatsoever, especially in situations like that. You wouldn’t be too unhappy if LeBron had joined Kobe, just like I wouldn’t have had he gone to Chicago.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 08/03/2013 - 9:14am #829421
HaleParticipantI understand that, but that is YOUR preference as a fan and something YOU want. I despise Wade with all of my being and didn’t want LeBron to join up with him either but we have no right to ridicule a guy for taking quite a bit less money so that he could win because that should always be the most important thing. What WE want shouldn’t matter whatsoever, especially in situations like that. You wouldn’t be too unhappy if LeBron had joined Kobe, just like I wouldn’t have had he gone to Chicago.
0- Posted on: Sat, 08/03/2013 - 9:19am #829536
llperezwe don’t have impact on what they do. But as fans, we absolutely have the right to think feel and say what we want. make no mistake about it, they work in the entertainment industry. They get to make money because of the fans. Of course we are entitled to have whatever opinion we see fit. doesn’t make us right/wrong. And believe it or not, I truly do not want to see LeBron ever wear a laker jersey. I would rather go into full on rebuild mode then see him in purple and gold.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 08/03/2013 - 9:19am #829427
llperezwe don’t have impact on what they do. But as fans, we absolutely have the right to think feel and say what we want. make no mistake about it, they work in the entertainment industry. They get to make money because of the fans. Of course we are entitled to have whatever opinion we see fit. doesn’t make us right/wrong. And believe it or not, I truly do not want to see LeBron ever wear a laker jersey. I would rather go into full on rebuild mode then see him in purple and gold.
0- Posted on: Sat, 08/03/2013 - 9:31am #829540
HaleParticipantI’m just saying that we should stop being so hypocritical in what we want from a player. You can’t be against guys who suck up the cap and then also get pissed at someone for taking less money to win.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 08/03/2013 - 9:31am #829431
HaleParticipantI’m just saying that we should stop being so hypocritical in what we want from a player. You can’t be against guys who suck up the cap and then also get pissed at someone for taking less money to win.
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- Posted on: Sat, 08/03/2013 - 9:12am #829526
phwillParticipantwhen there is more competitive balance in the leagues. That being said, I don’t blame the players for taking advantage of what the rules allow to get paid or get rings. At the same time, I’m hoping the new CBA will gradually make it so that there are multiple teams with a realistic shot of winning it in the playoffs. I know some people prefer seeing dynasties/super teams.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 08/03/2013 - 9:12am #829418
phwillParticipantwhen there is more competitive balance in the leagues. That being said, I don’t blame the players for taking advantage of what the rules allow to get paid or get rings. At the same time, I’m hoping the new CBA will gradually make it so that there are multiple teams with a realistic shot of winning it in the playoffs. I know some people prefer seeing dynasties/super teams.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 08/03/2013 - 9:13am #829528
mikohowardParticipantIts kind of like Sports Betrayal. If a team drafts you number 1 then they believe you to carry that team espcially if you grow up in that city kind of like Derrick Roses case. Yea its easy to go join a team to make a super team to win a championship but it would have been that much better to do it for the team that drafted you and your Hometown team. Why not have a team full of Allstars that sign for the MLE. so a allstar team with the 12 best superstars in the League can all win Championship. It would be kind of like whats the point. But cant knock a Player to Cheat himself and the game of basketball to win a championship.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 08/03/2013 - 9:13am #829419
mikohowardParticipantIts kind of like Sports Betrayal. If a team drafts you number 1 then they believe you to carry that team espcially if you grow up in that city kind of like Derrick Roses case. Yea its easy to go join a team to make a super team to win a championship but it would have been that much better to do it for the team that drafted you and your Hometown team. Why not have a team full of Allstars that sign for the MLE. so a allstar team with the 12 best superstars in the League can all win Championship. It would be kind of like whats the point. But cant knock a Player to Cheat himself and the game of basketball to win a championship.
0- Posted on: Sat, 08/03/2013 - 9:22am #829532
HaleParticipantYou could add the element of the hometown with LeBron I definitely agree there. I do think there is such a thing as sports betrayal too but it’s thrown around far too often. If anyone feels betrayed by Greg Oden they should lose the privilege of watching basketball.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 08/03/2013 - 9:22am #829423
HaleParticipantYou could add the element of the hometown with LeBron I definitely agree there. I do think there is such a thing as sports betrayal too but it’s thrown around far too often. If anyone feels betrayed by Greg Oden they should lose the privilege of watching basketball.
0- Posted on: Sat, 08/03/2013 - 9:32am #829542
mikohowardParticipantwhen a player like Lebron or Bosh does it in there Prime its different. Each player has different cases but then when someone Like Rashard Lewis, Ray Allen, Greg Oden its kinda like who cares. Your past your prime and your probably gonna get injured any way. Now if you woulda replaced those signings with AL Jefferson, Josh Smith and Brandon jennings its totally different. Its still Ring Chasing but to a different Degree
0 - Posted on: Sat, 08/03/2013 - 9:32am #829433
mikohowardParticipantwhen a player like Lebron or Bosh does it in there Prime its different. Each player has different cases but then when someone Like Rashard Lewis, Ray Allen, Greg Oden its kinda like who cares. Your past your prime and your probably gonna get injured any way. Now if you woulda replaced those signings with AL Jefferson, Josh Smith and Brandon jennings its totally different. Its still Ring Chasing but to a different Degree
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- Posted on: Sat, 08/03/2013 - 9:24am #829534
phila9012ParticipantYeah so many players took heat for going to the heat (no pun intended). Ray allen gave up money to be in position to hit the biggest shot for the heat and win a championship instead of sink with boston who traded pierce and garnett in the offseason. Lebron went to the heat to get a championship and he won 2 in 3 years something he would never have done in cleveland. Bosh even got flack for joining the heat. He could have stayed in toronto and been an all star and do what he does best but instead he went to the heat to win and have to something he was not great at which was rebound and play defense and be a third option on offense while also getting hammered by guys like Roy Hibbert. That is what we want our athletes to do and yet people say bosh isnt very good and he needs to be traded, he puts up with that because he wants to win which is what we want the athletes to care about. Same with haslem he took less money to win with the heat.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 08/03/2013 - 9:24am #829425
phila9012ParticipantYeah so many players took heat for going to the heat (no pun intended). Ray allen gave up money to be in position to hit the biggest shot for the heat and win a championship instead of sink with boston who traded pierce and garnett in the offseason. Lebron went to the heat to get a championship and he won 2 in 3 years something he would never have done in cleveland. Bosh even got flack for joining the heat. He could have stayed in toronto and been an all star and do what he does best but instead he went to the heat to win and have to something he was not great at which was rebound and play defense and be a third option on offense while also getting hammered by guys like Roy Hibbert. That is what we want our athletes to do and yet people say bosh isnt very good and he needs to be traded, he puts up with that because he wants to win which is what we want the athletes to care about. Same with haslem he took less money to win with the heat.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 08/03/2013 - 9:53am #829443
mikohowardParticipantTaking less money to win is basically cheating yourself or taking the easy way out to win a trophy.
Why not have everybody flock over to the thunder and have a starting lineup of
Bosh
lebron
durant
wade
westbrook
And have Lebron,Wade and Bosh sign for the Mid level. But hey its Ok to Ring Chase because they are all taking less to put themselves in a Place to win. Absurd right theres nothing keeping the Best players from doing so. There comes a point where your not only cheating yourself but the game of Basketball. Its suppose to be competitive and im pretty sure this upcoming year it will be. James Harden left the team that Drafted him that he could of on a title with but deceided that he was ready to lead a team of his own and not be shorted in cash and knew that he will eventually be a title contender even if they only had him. thats why i respect James harden more then Lebron is because James harden did the complete opposite of Lebron0 - Posted on: Sat, 08/03/2013 - 9:53am #829552
mikohowardParticipantTaking less money to win is basically cheating yourself or taking the easy way out to win a trophy.
Why not have everybody flock over to the thunder and have a starting lineup of
Bosh
lebron
durant
wade
westbrook
And have Lebron,Wade and Bosh sign for the Mid level. But hey its Ok to Ring Chase because they are all taking less to put themselves in a Place to win. Absurd right theres nothing keeping the Best players from doing so. There comes a point where your not only cheating yourself but the game of Basketball. Its suppose to be competitive and im pretty sure this upcoming year it will be. James Harden left the team that Drafted him that he could of on a title with but deceided that he was ready to lead a team of his own and not be shorted in cash and knew that he will eventually be a title contender even if they only had him. thats why i respect James harden more then Lebron is because James harden did the complete opposite of Lebron0 - Posted on: Sat, 08/03/2013 - 10:45am #829453
DaGuywhodidurmaParticipantI agree with the OP, there is no such thing as ring chasing. Its just good players joining better teams for a better chance at winning a ring.
We all want to win in life and if our current situation isnt ideal we move to a better one
0 - Posted on: Sat, 08/03/2013 - 10:45am #829562
DaGuywhodidurmaParticipantI agree with the OP, there is no such thing as ring chasing. Its just good players joining better teams for a better chance at winning a ring.
We all want to win in life and if our current situation isnt ideal we move to a better one
0 - Posted on: Sat, 08/03/2013 - 10:49am #829465
HitsterParticipantTop players will look to play together at their peak if they can and we all know that contending teams will always like to add a solid veteran or two to give them extra depth or to help them down the stretch in tight games.
Plus top players will often play on to try and get a title and will take less money for the priviledge. Also a team in rebuild would not particularly need a former all star clogging up minutes unless it was in a mentor role and star players will not particularly want to play on for a lottery team. The teams in rebuild want to give the younger guys minutes and there are relatively few players who would want to stats pad on a losing team and would not want to come off the bench for a lottery team.
As regards Ray Allen going to Miami, I do think it may have been a bit about ego, there was rumours that Avery Bradley might have started over him if he had remained in Boston, for a multiple All Star like Ray this may have seemed almost disrespectful. But at Miami starting behind a franchise SG in D-Wade is another matter and if he had remained at Boston there was a chance he could have been traded if they went into rebuild or would not have been able to be traded with KG or PP perhaps. So at Miami he controlled his own destiny and won another ring into the bargain.
As regards Greg Oden, everyone has said that Miami perhaps lacked a legit big as their one weakness, so they have filled it with Greg Oden. Plus why should he not want to play on the best team with the best player in the world, go to a state with favourable tax rates and a good climate.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 08/03/2013 - 10:49am #829574
HitsterParticipantTop players will look to play together at their peak if they can and we all know that contending teams will always like to add a solid veteran or two to give them extra depth or to help them down the stretch in tight games.
Plus top players will often play on to try and get a title and will take less money for the priviledge. Also a team in rebuild would not particularly need a former all star clogging up minutes unless it was in a mentor role and star players will not particularly want to play on for a lottery team. The teams in rebuild want to give the younger guys minutes and there are relatively few players who would want to stats pad on a losing team and would not want to come off the bench for a lottery team.
As regards Ray Allen going to Miami, I do think it may have been a bit about ego, there was rumours that Avery Bradley might have started over him if he had remained in Boston, for a multiple All Star like Ray this may have seemed almost disrespectful. But at Miami starting behind a franchise SG in D-Wade is another matter and if he had remained at Boston there was a chance he could have been traded if they went into rebuild or would not have been able to be traded with KG or PP perhaps. So at Miami he controlled his own destiny and won another ring into the bargain.
As regards Greg Oden, everyone has said that Miami perhaps lacked a legit big as their one weakness, so they have filled it with Greg Oden. Plus why should he not want to play on the best team with the best player in the world, go to a state with favourable tax rates and a good climate.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 08/03/2013 - 10:56am #829463
Meditated StatesParticipantBut it hurts the league. Makes it seem rigged.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 08/03/2013 - 10:56am #829572
Meditated StatesParticipantBut it hurts the league. Makes it seem rigged.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 08/03/2013 - 3:30pm #829547
omphalosParticipantMikoHoward has pretty much said how I feel; winning is all well and good, but at the end of the day sports are an entirely arbitrary pursuit; if it’s not competitive there’s not a whole lot of reason to do it. I never said Lebron had to do it alone, but he didn’t have to stack the deck by joining with two other franchise players in their prime.
People need to be selfish and try to earn what they’re worth to balance the league to an extent; taking less money is admirable in the individual but detrimental to the balance of the NBA.
I don’t care about watching teams winning championships; I care about teams earning championships and I think they lose their meaning when you have such a disparity in talent between you and your closest rival.
I just hate that the last two years it’s basically been about who is playing off to come second.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 08/03/2013 - 3:30pm #829656
omphalosParticipantMikoHoward has pretty much said how I feel; winning is all well and good, but at the end of the day sports are an entirely arbitrary pursuit; if it’s not competitive there’s not a whole lot of reason to do it. I never said Lebron had to do it alone, but he didn’t have to stack the deck by joining with two other franchise players in their prime.
People need to be selfish and try to earn what they’re worth to balance the league to an extent; taking less money is admirable in the individual but detrimental to the balance of the NBA.
I don’t care about watching teams winning championships; I care about teams earning championships and I think they lose their meaning when you have such a disparity in talent between you and your closest rival.
I just hate that the last two years it’s basically been about who is playing off to come second.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 08/03/2013 - 8:56pm #829790
TimeForNineParticipantFrom 2003-09 a different team won the championship each year. This stretch is when I really started to become a hardcore NBA fan. Teams across the league were fun to watch, stars were spread out fairly evenly, and a team with no superstar won the title in 2004. The only multiple winner in this stretch was San Antonio (03,05,07), but they weren’t as dominant as Miami is today and never won back-to-back. Like omphalos said, it’s getting kinda old knowing who is gonna win the chip each year. LeBron is one of the greatest of all time, and as amazing as it is to see him add to his legacy, it’d be nice to see someone else sit in the throne for at least a season.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 08/03/2013 - 8:56pm #829682
TimeForNineParticipantFrom 2003-09 a different team won the championship each year. This stretch is when I really started to become a hardcore NBA fan. Teams across the league were fun to watch, stars were spread out fairly evenly, and a team with no superstar won the title in 2004. The only multiple winner in this stretch was San Antonio (03,05,07), but they weren’t as dominant as Miami is today and never won back-to-back. Like omphalos said, it’s getting kinda old knowing who is gonna win the chip each year. LeBron is one of the greatest of all time, and as amazing as it is to see him add to his legacy, it’d be nice to see someone else sit in the throne for at least a season.
0- Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 4:43am #829769
HaleParticipantYou could say the same thing about 90’s Bulls, 80’s Celtics or Lakers or Russell’s Celtics.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 4:43am #829879
HaleParticipantYou could say the same thing about 90’s Bulls, 80’s Celtics or Lakers or Russell’s Celtics.
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