[round moundParticipant]

Guys like Rudy Fernandez in Portland really rub me the wrong way. You think of all the young undrafted guys in summer league who are busting their butts to make an NBA roster because it’s a life long dream, and then you have an ungrateful guy like Fernandez whose under contract with an NBA team for a couple more seasons, who doesn’t even want to honor his deal, or play in the league period. He wants to play over in Europe, because he doesn’t think he’s getting enough minutes on the team he’s with (no matter he’s playing behind an all-star in Brandon Roy). What a crybaby. What a horses backside. If these international players love playing overseas so much, then as far as i’m concerned they can stay there. Bunch of softies anyway. Give some appreciative red, white, and blue American boys from the Bronx, and all over the playgrounds of America the chance to make a living in the NBA, rather then these ungrateful, pompous “don’t squeeze the Charmin” Euro cupcakes.

Sorry…had to vent.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

I lean Rudy’s way.

He shown during his rookie season that he was a promising player. He set a rookie record with made 3’s. Portland then adds Andre Miller which killed his PT. He wanted to be traded or given more playing time. If he’s not gonna get the minutes he earned ( which is 15-22 mpg) trade him then.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

I lean Rudy’s way.

He shown during his rookie season that he was a promising player. He set a rookie record with made 3’s. Portland then adds Andre Miller which killed his PT. He wanted to be traded or given more playing time. If he’s not gonna get the minutes he earned ( which is 15-22 mpg) trade him then.

[sheltwon3Participant]

Most players want to play especially if they are pretty good. You think Wade or Lebron or Kobe would except playing on the bench when they were younger.

[sheltwon3Participant]

Most players want to play especially if they are pretty good. You think Wade or Lebron or Kobe would except playing on the bench when they were younger.

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

How did Miller kill Rudy’s PT?? Miller is a PG only and Rudy is a SG/SF…. That doesnt make sense..

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

How did Miller kill Rudy’s PT?? Miller is a PG only and Rudy is a SG/SF…. That doesnt make sense..

[round moundParticipant]

There are probably only 7 or 8 teams in the league that would start Rudy Fernandez. And then him and his agent not honoring a contract that he signed, and then making it nearly impossible for the Blazers to trade him by saying he doesn’t even want to play in the league. C’mon…how can anybody take this guys side.

[round moundParticipant]

There are probably only 7 or 8 teams in the league that would start Rudy Fernandez. And then him and his agent not honoring a contract that he signed, and then making it nearly impossible for the Blazers to trade him by saying he doesn’t even want to play in the league. C’mon…how can anybody take this guys side.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

“You think Wade or Lebron or Kobe would except playing on the bench when they were younger.”

Rudy isn’t a young Kobe, LeBron or Wade… Let’s make that clear as soon as humanly possible.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

“You think Wade or Lebron or Kobe would except playing on the bench when they were younger.”

Rudy isn’t a young Kobe, LeBron or Wade… Let’s make that clear as soon as humanly possible.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

How did Miller kill Rudy’s PT?? Miller is a PG only and Rudy is a SG/SF…. That doesnt make sense..

The Guard rotation. Rudy had like 25mpg because they didn’t have a solid guard rotation with Blake, Rudy, Roy and getting PT for Bayless and Webster who was hurt which give Rudy PT

last season, Webster played ( took Rudy’s PT) and Miller came in as the lead point guard. So Rudy was then the 5th guard in the rotation

Roy and Miller start ( 30-35mpg)

Webster ( 20-25mpg)

Blake ( 10-15mpg)

Rudy ( Not alot left)

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

How did Miller kill Rudy’s PT?? Miller is a PG only and Rudy is a SG/SF…. That doesnt make sense..

The Guard rotation. Rudy had like 25mpg because they didn’t have a solid guard rotation with Blake, Rudy, Roy and getting PT for Bayless and Webster who was hurt which give Rudy PT

last season, Webster played ( took Rudy’s PT) and Miller came in as the lead point guard. So Rudy was then the 5th guard in the rotation

Roy and Miller start ( 30-35mpg)

Webster ( 20-25mpg)

Blake ( 10-15mpg)

Rudy ( Not alot left)

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

Steve Blake was traded to the Clippers though.

Rudy didn’t play because he was ineffective when he got in. Even in Roy’s absence, he didn’t do much. He spent the entire season pouting.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

Steve Blake was traded to the Clippers though.

Rudy didn’t play because he was ineffective when he got in. Even in Roy’s absence, he didn’t do much. He spent the entire season pouting.

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

So why didnt he play when Blake was traded??

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

So why didnt he play when Blake was traded??

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

When Blake was traded, Bayless took those minutes… Not Rudy.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

When Blake was traded, Bayless took those minutes… Not Rudy.

[Lotto StudParticipant]

Rudy needs to stop b*tching!!!!!! I & many other people would kill to be in his shoes & be in the league, but I can see @ the same time he wants to play.

[Lotto StudParticipant]

Rudy needs to stop b*tching!!!!!! I & many other people would kill to be in his shoes & be in the league, but I can see @ the same time he wants to play.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Thank you. Rudy never got the fair amount of PT he should have gotten. He was just pushed to the back.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Thank you. Rudy never got the fair amount of PT he should have gotten. He was just pushed to the back.

[bobbybParticipant]

Rudy… the Darell Revis of basketball!!!!

[bobbybParticipant]

Rudy… the Darell Revis of basketball!!!!

[B-ball fanParticipant]

He just isn’t good enough to get minutes. As round mound said, he would only start for 7 or 8 teams, and he can’t get big minutes on a playoff team like Portland. I guess he probably regrets coming over to the NBA in the 1st place.

[B-ball fanParticipant]

He just isn’t good enough to get minutes. As round mound said, he would only start for 7 or 8 teams, and he can’t get big minutes on a playoff team like Portland. I guess he probably regrets coming over to the NBA in the 1st place.

[jas225Participant]

Revis is the best at his position….

Rudy is….. not

[jas225Participant]

Revis is the best at his position….

Rudy is….. not

[Lotto StudParticipant]

Try Crabtree if you want a good NFL comaprison “DIVA”

[Lotto StudParticipant]

Try Crabtree if you want a good NFL comaprison “DIVA”

[sheltwon3Participant]

Indiana overseas Rudy is on that level in the sense of fans and what people expect of him. Also I am sure he could start on many more teams that you mentioned. I dont think he plays the same way but he could have an impact similiar to Ginobli if given minutes on a consistent basis.

Most team would not start Scola either but he is a definite starter in this league and has played well enough to show that even with his flaws and I see Rudy in the same light. He could score 15 or so points and be a versatile guard but may get hurt on defense.

[sheltwon3Participant]

Indiana overseas Rudy is on that level in the sense of fans and what people expect of him. Also I am sure he could start on many more teams that you mentioned. I dont think he plays the same way but he could have an impact similiar to Ginobli if given minutes on a consistent basis.

Most team would not start Scola either but he is a definite starter in this league and has played well enough to show that even with his flaws and I see Rudy in the same light. He could score 15 or so points and be a versatile guard but may get hurt on defense.

[sheltwon3Participant]

Portland is a deep team and Bayless is not even getting minutes either and most people say he would be like Westbrook if he got minutes regularly.

[sheltwon3Participant]

Portland is a deep team and Bayless is not even getting minutes either and most people say he would be like Westbrook if he got minutes regularly.

[sheltwon3Participant]

Rudy was coming off an injury and never got in the grove like the past few years. He actually looked really good a few times but this last season was not his best in Portland.

[sheltwon3Participant]

Rudy was coming off an injury and never got in the grove like the past few years. He actually looked really good a few times but this last season was not his best in Portland.

[sheltwon3Participant]

If Rudy is so terrible why is Portland not in a rush to trade him.

[sheltwon3Participant]

If Rudy is so terrible why is Portland not in a rush to trade him.

[McWinningParticipant]

Rudy in some senses has a reason to have his big ego i mean he totally blew up the Spanish acb league and won mvp (his stats were insane look them up), he blew up in the Olympics, and came into the nba as a Spanish celebrity.

He hasnt proven much in the nba but he was injured last year which set him back.

To be honest his skills dont fit entirely with the nba but he can be a decent starter and he would be a great fit in the triangle in my opinion and if they hadn’t resigned Fisher would have good for them as their starter.

Now i think New Yorks the best fit especially if they get Carmelo Anthony.

[McWinningParticipant]

Rudy in some senses has a reason to have his big ego i mean he totally blew up the Spanish acb league and won mvp (his stats were insane look them up), he blew up in the Olympics, and came into the nba as a Spanish celebrity.

He hasnt proven much in the nba but he was injured last year which set him back.

To be honest his skills dont fit entirely with the nba but he can be a decent starter and he would be a great fit in the triangle in my opinion and if they hadn’t resigned Fisher would have good for them as their starter.

Now i think New Yorks the best fit especially if they get Carmelo Anthony.

[HotSnotParticipant]

I’ll play devils advocate here… although I do agree that whining about playing time and requesting trades is pretty selfish, it seems to be the norm across all sports in all leagues. Brandon Bass doesn’t seem to be getting as much negative publicity even though he clearly said either “play me or trade me”. Marcin Gortat doesn’t appear all that happy with his role either… but its much easier to swallow the “I’ll do whatevers best for the team” stance when your already sitting on a fat contract extension. Further more, if a player is going to request a trade or really try to force the teams hand, when is the best time to do that? The offseason. It was obvious Rudy was unhappy last year but he didn’t freak out and didn’t cause too much of a distraction. He waited. If you think about how many people actually make up an NBA franchise I could just imagine how many conversations he’s had and how many people have told him various things which never seemed to happen. Rudy waited through the NBA draft, no trade, then through the start of free agency, no trade.

Lets not forget that although it is a very great honor to play in the NBA, it was a massive financial risk for Rudy to come over and play here. A risk which looks likely to backfire. Rudy had a buyout he paid when he came over to the NBA knowing full well that he was leaving more money on the table in europe, had to pay for his freedom and would be playing for much less then his value until he could get out from under the rookie wage scale of the NBA. Part of Rudy’s decision to come over likely centered around playing time. The reason being that playing time translates to production which would increase the value of a future NBA contract and allow him to recoupe some of his financial sacrifices thus far. A productive NBA career lasts up to around 12 peak earning years. Rudy would give away 4 at nearly minimum wage and then hope to sign a “large” 5-6 year deal.

So in the end don’t make it sound like the NBA is doing Rudy a huge favor by giving him a chance and he should be grateful he has a job in the league. He is a player who is in demand and has much more lucrative paying jobs on the table aswell as better team scenario’s all over the NBA. Its not working in Portland, which is unfortunate, but the grown up thing to do is for both sides to part way amicably. Portland seems to be unwilling to do this. They have turned down first round picks (not high enough) and fairly decent player packages. Obviously Portland values Rudy as being more valuable then a late first round pick. How high of a first round pick should they expect to recieve then? Top 20? Top 10?

As far as talent via trade goes, I’ve read Wilson Chandler and a future first round pick (2014?) from the Knicks was offered to Portland. Whats wrong with that trade? Chandler is a young decent asset to any team and also on an afforable rookie contract. The first round pick could turn into another good player (Rudy was taken 22nd if I remember correctly).

Thus, were left with being where we are right now. Portland doesn’t want to give Rudy 24-30 minutes a night and Rudy is not happy with playing only 10-15 minutes a game. Portland doesn’t really have an asset if they don’t actually use the player… but Rudy is cheap labor for the next 2 years even if Portland never plays him more then as injury replacement/reserve.

If I’m Portland I know I’m within my rights to hold Rudy to his contract but I might also wonder what kind of reputation I’m going to get oversea’s. Memphis is currently pulling the whole 1st round pick fiasco and they already had a bad rep with anyone from Spain who won’t ever sign as a free agent with them. Marc Gasol is as good as gone when his contract is up.

This whole situation is unfortunate but this is the reality of pro sports. If I was Rudy, I’d likely do the exact same thing he’s doing. Its my life were talking about. I’m only going to live once and I want to maximize my earning potential. I want playing time to make all my dreams come true.

[HotSnotParticipant]

I’ll play devils advocate here… although I do agree that whining about playing time and requesting trades is pretty selfish, it seems to be the norm across all sports in all leagues. Brandon Bass doesn’t seem to be getting as much negative publicity even though he clearly said either “play me or trade me”. Marcin Gortat doesn’t appear all that happy with his role either… but its much easier to swallow the “I’ll do whatevers best for the team” stance when your already sitting on a fat contract extension. Further more, if a player is going to request a trade or really try to force the teams hand, when is the best time to do that? The offseason. It was obvious Rudy was unhappy last year but he didn’t freak out and didn’t cause too much of a distraction. He waited. If you think about how many people actually make up an NBA franchise I could just imagine how many conversations he’s had and how many people have told him various things which never seemed to happen. Rudy waited through the NBA draft, no trade, then through the start of free agency, no trade.

Lets not forget that although it is a very great honor to play in the NBA, it was a massive financial risk for Rudy to come over and play here. A risk which looks likely to backfire. Rudy had a buyout he paid when he came over to the NBA knowing full well that he was leaving more money on the table in europe, had to pay for his freedom and would be playing for much less then his value until he could get out from under the rookie wage scale of the NBA. Part of Rudy’s decision to come over likely centered around playing time. The reason being that playing time translates to production which would increase the value of a future NBA contract and allow him to recoupe some of his financial sacrifices thus far. A productive NBA career lasts up to around 12 peak earning years. Rudy would give away 4 at nearly minimum wage and then hope to sign a “large” 5-6 year deal.

So in the end don’t make it sound like the NBA is doing Rudy a huge favor by giving him a chance and he should be grateful he has a job in the league. He is a player who is in demand and has much more lucrative paying jobs on the table aswell as better team scenario’s all over the NBA. Its not working in Portland, which is unfortunate, but the grown up thing to do is for both sides to part way amicably. Portland seems to be unwilling to do this. They have turned down first round picks (not high enough) and fairly decent player packages. Obviously Portland values Rudy as being more valuable then a late first round pick. How high of a first round pick should they expect to recieve then? Top 20? Top 10?

As far as talent via trade goes, I’ve read Wilson Chandler and a future first round pick (2014?) from the Knicks was offered to Portland. Whats wrong with that trade? Chandler is a young decent asset to any team and also on an afforable rookie contract. The first round pick could turn into another good player (Rudy was taken 22nd if I remember correctly).

Thus, were left with being where we are right now. Portland doesn’t want to give Rudy 24-30 minutes a night and Rudy is not happy with playing only 10-15 minutes a game. Portland doesn’t really have an asset if they don’t actually use the player… but Rudy is cheap labor for the next 2 years even if Portland never plays him more then as injury replacement/reserve.

If I’m Portland I know I’m within my rights to hold Rudy to his contract but I might also wonder what kind of reputation I’m going to get oversea’s. Memphis is currently pulling the whole 1st round pick fiasco and they already had a bad rep with anyone from Spain who won’t ever sign as a free agent with them. Marc Gasol is as good as gone when his contract is up.

This whole situation is unfortunate but this is the reality of pro sports. If I was Rudy, I’d likely do the exact same thing he’s doing. Its my life were talking about. I’m only going to live once and I want to maximize my earning potential. I want playing time to make all my dreams come true.

[IknoBall12Participant]

i would feel the same way if i was him. and lets not act like this is the 1st time this has happened guys. i mean portland seems to put players in the situation pretty often. first it was martell webster. then jerryd bayless. and now rudy. they wouldnt trade those guys when they wanted to leave either. martell has jus now been traded so i guess he got wat he wanted eventually

[IknoBall12Participant]

i would feel the same way if i was him. and lets not act like this is the 1st time this has happened guys. i mean portland seems to put players in the situation pretty often. first it was martell webster. then jerryd bayless. and now rudy. they wouldnt trade those guys when they wanted to leave either. martell has jus now been traded so i guess he got wat he wanted eventually

[Demarcus OnealParticipant]

@sheltwon Kobe sat on the bench the first 2 and half years in the league behing an all star in Eddie Jones so he already proved he could sit on the bench

[Demarcus OnealParticipant]

@sheltwon Kobe sat on the bench the first 2 and half years in the league behing an all star in Eddie Jones so he already proved he could sit on the bench

[sheltwon3Participant]

Kobe did not like it and his second year he was getting minutes even though he came off the bench. You could tell Kobe did not like it but he played it cool enough early on and got some time. Rudy has been cool about it early on but Portland has pushed him to the point where he has to say something. I mean seriously, Portland has enough depth to lose him and they should just make a trade for another pick. Pritchard has set them up good and they really could replace Rudy’s 15 minutes with someone else possibly a vet. They could have signed McGrady and given his those minutes and McGrady would do about the same as Rudy in 15 or maybe more. Portland right now is screwing themselves. Memphis is too. They are causing drama about nothing. Memphis should pay their rookie. They paid AI and Thabeet who produced not much for them so far but Henry could actually do something but he will probably be on the bench a lot since I have no idea why they signed him if they have all that depth at his position. Maybe they only did it as insurance and when Rudy came back they wanted to get rid of him.

I have no idea what Portland is trying to do. They have all the talent and just bunch them together and don’t let guys develop or get minutes. Rather than trade some young players for picks and pick up vets who don’t mind small minutes. They stock young guys and keep them on the bench. Rudy may even accept a buy out now but Portland is set on keeping him unless they get a crazy deal in their favor which I doubt will happen

[sheltwon3Participant]

Kobe did not like it and his second year he was getting minutes even though he came off the bench. You could tell Kobe did not like it but he played it cool enough early on and got some time. Rudy has been cool about it early on but Portland has pushed him to the point where he has to say something. I mean seriously, Portland has enough depth to lose him and they should just make a trade for another pick. Pritchard has set them up good and they really could replace Rudy’s 15 minutes with someone else possibly a vet. They could have signed McGrady and given his those minutes and McGrady would do about the same as Rudy in 15 or maybe more. Portland right now is screwing themselves. Memphis is too. They are causing drama about nothing. Memphis should pay their rookie. They paid AI and Thabeet who produced not much for them so far but Henry could actually do something but he will probably be on the bench a lot since I have no idea why they signed him if they have all that depth at his position. Maybe they only did it as insurance and when Rudy came back they wanted to get rid of him.

I have no idea what Portland is trying to do. They have all the talent and just bunch them together and don’t let guys develop or get minutes. Rather than trade some young players for picks and pick up vets who don’t mind small minutes. They stock young guys and keep them on the bench. Rudy may even accept a buy out now but Portland is set on keeping him unless they get a crazy deal in their favor which I doubt will happen

[sheltwon3Participant]

Kobe did not like it and his second year he was getting minutes even though he came off the bench. You could tell Kobe did not like it but he played it cool enough early on and got some time. Rudy has been cool about it early on but Portland has pushed him to the point where he has to say something. I mean seriously, Portland has enough depth to lose him and they should just make a trade for another pick. Pritchard has set them up good and they really could replace Rudy’s 15 minutes with someone else possibly a vet. They could have signed McGrady and given his those minutes and McGrady would do about the same as Rudy in 15 or maybe more. Portland right now is screwing themselves. Memphis is too. They are causing drama about nothing. Memphis should pay their rookie. They paid AI and Thabeet who produced not much for them so far but Henry could actually do something but he will probably be on the bench a lot since I have no idea why they signed him if they have all that depth at his position. Maybe they only did it as insurance and when Rudy came back they wanted to get rid of him.

I have no idea what Portland is trying to do. They have all the talent and just bunch them together and don’t let guys develop or get minutes. Rather than trade some young players for picks and pick up vets who don’t mind small minutes. They stock young guys and keep them on the bench. Rudy may even accept a buy out now but Portland is set on keeping him unless they get a crazy deal in their favor which I doubt will happen

[Demarcus OnealParticipant]

well who likes sitting on the bench lol and yeah Kobe played more minutes his second season still not very much only 26 minutes but he had to endure it and Rudy is good but a role player at most but I can see why he doesnt want to sit on the bench why give some good years of basketball without showcasing his abilities

[Demarcus OnealParticipant]

well who likes sitting on the bench lol and yeah Kobe played more minutes his second season still not very much only 26 minutes but he had to endure it and Rudy is good but a role player at most but I can see why he doesnt want to sit on the bench why give some good years of basketball without showcasing his abilities

[Demarcus OnealParticipant]

well who likes sitting on the bench lol and yeah Kobe played more minutes his second season still not very much only 26 minutes but he had to endure it and Rudy is good but a role player at most but I can see why he doesnt want to sit on the bench why give some good years of basketball without showcasing his abilities

[Demarcus OnealParticipant]

well who likes sitting on the bench lol and yeah Kobe played more minutes his second season still not very much only 26 minutes but he had to endure it and Rudy is good but a role player at most but I can see why he doesnt want to sit on the bench why give some good years of basketball without showcasing his abilities

[Demarcus OnealParticipant]

well who likes sitting on the bench lol and yeah Kobe played more minutes his second season still not very much only 26 minutes but he had to endure it and Rudy is good but a role player at most but I can see why he doesnt want to sit on the bench why give some good years of basketball without showcasing his abilities

[Demarcus OnealParticipant]

well who likes sitting on the bench lol and yeah Kobe played more minutes his second season still not very much only 26 minutes but he had to endure it and Rudy is good but a role player at most but I can see why he doesnt want to sit on the bench why give some good years of basketball without showcasing his abilities

[mattholdenbrownParticipant]

if the trade rumors to bostton some how work out andre miller killed his playing time, will rondo/allen/pierce kill it to? That is indefinatly a yes

[mattholdenbrownParticipant]

if the trade rumors to bostton some how work out andre miller killed his playing time, will rondo/allen/pierce kill it to? That is indefinatly a yes

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

if the trade rumors to bostton some how work out andre miller killed his playing time, will rondo/allen/pierce kill it to? That is indefinatly a yes

Not exactly, why trade for someone and NOT play him?

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

if the trade rumors to bostton some how work out andre miller killed his playing time, will rondo/allen/pierce kill it to? That is indefinatly a yes

Not exactly, why trade for someone and NOT play him?

[mattholdenbrownParticipant]

to keep up with the heat

[mattholdenbrownParticipant]

to keep up with the heat

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

That doesn’t make any sense at all… please explain.

Allen and Rondo ( 30-35mpg)

Rudy and Nate (10-20mpg)

Wafer and Bradley ( 8-13mpg)

what am I missing?

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

That doesn’t make any sense at all… please explain.

Allen and Rondo ( 30-35mpg)

Rudy and Nate (10-20mpg)

Wafer and Bradley ( 8-13mpg)

what am I missing?

[omphalosParticipant]

Has anybody considered that they are waiting for Rudy to play in the FIBA world championships before they trade him? A strong performance with Spain would up his trade value and they might be able to attain whatever it is they are after. At the moment though, he isn’t worth that much after a sub-par year and the public pouting. That said, I’m hoping he gets traded away and its a shame that the Bulls deal didn’t go down. He could end up in Indiana, they could use another 2-guard in case Lance busts in court.

[omphalosParticipant]

Has anybody considered that they are waiting for Rudy to play in the FIBA world championships before they trade him? A strong performance with Spain would up his trade value and they might be able to attain whatever it is they are after. At the moment though, he isn’t worth that much after a sub-par year and the public pouting. That said, I’m hoping he gets traded away and its a shame that the Bulls deal didn’t go down. He could end up in Indiana, they could use another 2-guard in case Lance busts in court.

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