He is traded for ed davis and jose calderon. I like the trade for toronto because they didn't give up much for a top 5 small forward. This really hurts memphis playoff chances also.
Why did gay even resign. I like this deal for Toronto..they gave up very little for a possible super star in Rudy gay.
Superstar? Gay has been the same player for the last 3 years, he's reached his peak
Don't really get the trade from a Memphis point of view as the best piece they are getting back is Ed Davis but he will be stuck behind Gasol and Z-Bo. Plus if they were going to move Gay then why make the cost cutting trade last week.
Nice move for Toronto, gives them another legit scoring presence along with Bargnani ( when fit) and DeRozan
This is why Gay is being traded
Plus he's being paid max money but is far from a max player.
I think with Hollinger in the FO, They're trying to try to tear some of this down and get more bang for the buck.
gay, fields, anderson, kleiza, pietrus.. SF overload lol.. i smell another move coming
I think this is good for Rudy and the Raptors. He's on a new team where he's the main guy, and the Raptors could maybe get his full potential out of him as their is more room to blossom. Im not sure if this will help or hinder Derozan's growth. What do you guys think? Im pretty sure they'll amnesty Kleiza to get him off the books.
Memphis on the other hand, is still a solid team their rating goes down a little bit. However, if they land the right small forward piece, they could be the winners of the trade. As of now, it just looks like they lost a talented wing player and his big contract to bring in Ed Davis, who cant really help. I'm wondering why this trade wasnt made before the trade with the Cavaliers?
OK! Now its a good trade for Memphis. Im on board now. Give up Rudy Gay and a C that rarely plays.... Get Back Ed Davis, 2nd rd pick, Austin Daye, Tayshaun Prince! Cool trade Grizzlies
Tayshaun prince and austin daye going to memphis for calderon
Sucks to be Demar Derozan right now.
Why? Less pressure off of him to score with Rudy gay on board, he's going to have more open looks
His team just acquired a better version of him who is going to take away lots of touches and no he won't really benefit because he can't shoot and Gay can't pass.
Ross is an untouchable and a shooting guard so DeRozan may soon be on the move or on the bench.
They have their C, SF, SG, PG of the future right now. Bargani is a PF but he may not be on this team for long if they can move him. He value is garbage right now.
DeRozan looks like the odd man out. Fields is a 2/3 and is a glue player that could stick around.
Amir Johnson and Ed Davis were giving about the same production so Davis was expendable if they could get the SF the really wanted. Also they can get some good players or a good player for DeRozan.
I wonder where he eventually goes.
my bet is derozan would be move next early as the deadline or next season, they have ross, he the skills of derozan, the crazy dunks, cutting and slashing,
either way with a healthy team toronto can get production offensively from all 5 starters and it makes me pretty excited.
defense will like always be in question. jonas can't grab all the rebounds and we know that bargnani won't grab them.
you guys think we'll be moving barg and a SF to grab a more qualify 4?
so who passes the ball now that they have five chuckers and ball dominant players...bargs, gay, DD, lowry, and anderson...interesting....
^^^ Lowry duh
i just said the same thing on twitter.......that Rudy Gay is basically a slightly better version of demar derozan.....i don't see the real point in having BOTH OF THEM on the team....
what's wrong with having 2 of the same type of players?
also i'd rather have the ball in gay's hands at the end of games than derozen.
the game winner that demar hit in orlando was toronto's first buzzer beater since dec 2006 by tj ford..
Wow Griz win this trade by a landslide
The Grizzlies are the losers no doubt, Toronto made out with a steal while Memphis gets Ed Davis even though they already have Darrell Arthur.
I spent a hour writing some &$#%#&@! and Bryan pulls this off. That's why he got to go! Rudy Gay can not change this mess. Rudy just adds to the mess, more money for Organization to pay. Bryan just signed Demar and he's taken on Gay's contract as well damn! I am speechless! Wiggins or Parker are not in the Horizon for this team or what. This is two steps back with more stress.
One of the few times I disagree with you, Griz got rid of any overpaid ball stopper who didn't fit well with their culture and in return got a pros pro who has the grit the grizzlies demand on defense along with a young player to help space the floor in Daye with added depth and youth to their front line. Grizzlies were trying to get rid of Gay anyway and they got players that can come in and contribute from day one and help try to make a run.
Ahh I see, my nerves are kinda off right now as I'm a Raptors fan and don't know how to feel about the trade, I guess it works out for both teams
how are the grizzles losers?? they get more help inside.. and this team does better w/o gay... tayshaun is still a solid player who will bring lots of experience
I like the move a lot more for Memphis now they have got Tayshaun Prince to bring extra leadership and defence to the team and Austin Daye helps give bench depth.
Detroit have cleared cap space and still have their amnesty to use, it will be interesting to see what sort of moves Joe Dumars makes as he has $28 million in expiring contracts, does he look to pull a trade or wait and try to use the cap space wisely in the summer. Detroit have their long term frontcourt set, Knight looks like he has the backcourt keys so they are maybe looking for an SG/SF, Bazz again would be a fantastic fit with Singler maybe taking over the Prince role as the glue guy.
I'd guess that if Detroit don't make any moves pre-deadline they either insert Jerebko or Stuckley into the starting line up and Singler plays around them to fill Prince's minutes.
I actually kind of like some of the talent they are getting in return. Ed Davis can be a good big off the bench and eventually start when they trade Randolph which I assume they will. Austin Daye has potential to be a solid scorer in the league. The only thing that worries me is if he wasn't good enough to play in Detroit why is he good enough to play on a much better team in Memphis. Tayshaun fits this squad well with his length and can still hit some shots. He will be a good short term fit and perhaps they acquired him thinking he can matchup well with Durant in the playoffs.
However I still don't like the trade because one single fact. They just traded the guy they gave the ball at the end of games. He was the go to scorer at the end of the game, quarters and even the shot clock in many situations. They now will depend on Conley to have the ball and create at the end of games. I don't think he is good enough at creating his own shot to be a go to guy. I understand the strength of this team is inside but at the end of games it always comes down to perimeter players. In my mind they went from potential darkhorse contender to a team that will most likely be eliminated in the first round.
Is anyone else excited to see Prince in a different uniform for the first time in his career?
@ chilbert. Yes and No. He was a great piston both on and off the court. He was the last link to our last championship. For Prince he gets another shot at a ring. I wish him and the Grizzlies all the best of luck for the playoffs, I hope they can go far....
As a Pistons fan I understand the bitter sweet taste you're most likely experiencing right now, I went through the same thing with Nash this last summer, the only difference is that you guys actually got a trophy. End of an era in Detroit.
Damn, I really wanted to see Calderon go to a playoff team and work his magic in the playoffs, he's a really underrated player who can really light it up sometimes. Detroit and Toronto are both the long shots to get Boston's playoff spot. Philly is much closer, but after them is Detroit and Toronto.
I actually think Toronto has a legit team now., if Bargs and Valanciunas come back and start playing well(18 and 4 for Bargs, 9 and 8 for Val), than I see no reason this team can't make a big push under a great coach like Dwayne Casey. Lowry, DeRozan, Gay, Bargnani, Valanciunas, with Ross, Alan Anderson, Landry Fields, and Amir Johnson off the bench seems like a pretty good rotation.
Philly is playing much better as of late. Nick Young has been playing well since he entered the starting line up and is doing more than just scoring which isn't something I knew he had in his arsenal. If they get Bynum to give them anything down the stretch they will catch the Celtics.
I am assuming the Pistons got Calderon to play Knight off the ball and see what he can do. Detroit is another team in the East with some good young pieces like Toronto and Cleveland. The East is bad right now but in a few years things will even back out.
I am just wondering,what if the Raptors get super lucky and get the 1st overall pick in the draft?
I was thinking about that few weeks ago and thought they would get Shabazz and have 3 man rotation on the wings with bazz,Ross&Demar ,but now that is highly unlikely ,And Jonas is doing well at C too
I understand their chances aren't big ,but that would be interesting
If Memphis had the Gay trade developing, I wonder why they did that fire trade to Cleveland last week and also did they look at trying to trade Gay to Cleveland as the Cavs need an SF and Gay having two further years on his deal would fit in nicely when their current rookie contract players come up for renewal. The Cavs have so many picks due they could have held their better ones and still sent a nice package to Memphis.
To me, Detroit is a big winner; Toronto is a wait-and-see; and Memphis is a gigantic loser.
In two weeks, Memphis went from being contenders to basically being the Atlanta Hawks: good enough to make the playoffs year in and year out, but not good enough to really do anything with it.
It's Memphis. They aren't going to get any stars to sign there, so why bother with the cap space? Small market teams can only become contenders if they draft well or aggressively try to get better with trades. Memphis has basically done the exact opposite.
Ed Davis is developing into a very solid PF. But that won't do Memphis much unless they trade Randolph, further imploding their team. Then they'll be stuck as a fringe playoff team that can't get better like the Milwaukee Bucks.
Meanwhile, the Raptors did what they had to do. They aggressively tried to get a star to build their team around since they know they won't be able to sign one. They bought low on Rudy Gay, who's having the worst year of his career, but has shown an ability to be one of the top 4 SFs in the NBA. Moreover, he's with Kyle Lowry, one of his best friends, so they'll most likely both be happy there now.
Now they can try to move Bargnani and or DeRozen, and build around Lowry, Gay, Valanciunas, and Ross. I think it will work out for them, but they're still a wait and see because I have to see Rudy Gay get back to how he's played in the past.
And Detroit did a fantastic job. Basically gave up two guys they have no use for for a PG that they have great use for, who then turns into $10 million in cap space. I read somewhere that they have enough cap space to sign at least one max player now and another big contract as well. Great job on their part, especially after how badly they set themselves up with Ben Gordon and Villanueva's contracts.
If the Grizzlies think they "won" this trade because they traded away the largest contract involved in the trade, then I guess that's true.
However, from a basketball stand point they lose this trade. No matter what you think of Gay, he averages just under 20 a game, has hit a few game winners, and is young with some room for growth, but not much. He has two years remaining after this season, 17.8 mil and 19.3 mil respectively. Tayshaun was a great role player for those mid 2000's Pistons teams, but he is a shell of his former self, especially on the defensive side of the ball. Plus, he has never averaged 15 PPG or 6 RPG in any season; that's with playing over 30 MPG since 2003-04!
With that said, I want to finish by pointing out that we had a lockout for NO REASON. The Thunder trade Harden, Memphis gives away role players, Memphis gives away Rudy Gay....yet the Lakers trade for Nash and Howard and are rolling with a $101,000,000 payroll this year!