There's talk going aroun that Memphis and Phoenix are in trade talks that would send Rudy gay to Phoenix. Phoenix would probably send Jared Dudley and the lakers first round pick or something of that nature to get him. Do you guys think a deal gets done? http://www.rantsports.com/nba/2013/01/08/rudy-gay-trade-talks-start-to-h...
I doubt this trade happens unless the Grizzlies really want to clear salary cap. The Suns would need to trade at least one of their own first round draft picks to make the deal happen
That's exactly what the Grizz are trying to do. They can't afford a big lux tax. They're a really good team in a weak market.
Maybe something like this with a couple of 1st round picks also going Memphis' way.
With clearly cap as the goal then a trade like you mentioned makes sense. The only question in my mind is how willing will Phoenix be to give up some likely lottery picks to make the trade happen.
Well, they'd be doing Memphis a favor, so maybe they wouldn't have to give up more than one pick. It's a long shot, but they also have the possibility of having up to 3 picks in this yrs draft if certain things happen, like if the Lakers don't make the playoffs.
PHX isn't really in a position to wait on a draft pick to maybe develop. They have some decent assets, but they're either older players or on bargain contracts, the latter of which are the type that GMs are reluctant to trade. They either acquire someone like Rudy, who if he can find his stroke still has All-Star potential and hopefully compete with the pieces they have or they have a firesale, start from scratch and start a long rebuild process.
The Cavs would be better off letting Walton run out his contract after this year than acquiring a possible liability and using up their cap space.
You're probably right, but struggling teams in bad markets aren't exactly attractive to FAs. Cap space could be pointless for a franchise like CLE, unless they're willing to overpay in FA.
I wouldn't consider Cleveland a struggling team - record-wise absolutely, but the similarities to the rebuild that Sam Presti did in OKC is a bright spot that a lot of people aren't noticing and it shows a lot of potential. I think Cleveland could attract some bigger names in FA by those means - although I'm not holding my breath. Their best bet is trading AV.
2nd worst record in the league sounds pretty bad to me. They're a a young bad team in an undesirable market, experiencing waning local interest in the team. Outside of Kyrie, the roster doesn't look too promising, even the youth. TT looks like an energy big. Waiters looks like a 6th man to me. Tyler Zeller could be a solid 3rd big. Their core looks far from complete. Even if they were to use Walton's expiring to acquire someone, that shouldn't prevent them from trading AV as well. I think they're far away enough to take a 1 yr gamble on someone. That's all it would be since Beas' 3rd yr is non-guaranteed.
Ya you're right...that's why I said aside from their record. OKC was 5th worst in the league before they drafted Harden in 2010 and went on to be the 8 seed in the west. Thompson is starting to find his offensive niche as well as eating glass. Waiters needs some shot selection work, but being that their coach is Byron Scott, a former 4 pick SG himself, I'm sure it will be address in the off-season. This draft is full of talented SF and an AV trade for a starting caliber center would put the Cavs into the playoffs next year.
Rudy hasn't been a great match in Memphis since Zbo and Gasol started holding down the fort. In PHX it would be a whole different story. Rudy is the type of player they've been missing the last 2-3 seasons.
Would Cleveland do this though? They are building a nice young nucleus and don't need a head case like Beasley. I know he could fill their need at small forward but it's too risky IMO
I never saw Beasley as a headcase who could ruin a locker room or anything like that. He's just kinda dumb and not as good as he thinks he is. Playing with a guy like Kyrie, I think he'd put less pressure on himself to be the man as a scorer. I think that was part of his problem his past 2 stops. If he can just come off the bench and provide double digits backing up the 3 and 4, then he could be worth his contract. The 3rd yr of his contract isn't even guaranteed, so they could treat him as an expiring as soon as next yr.
I nearly posted a "great trade idea" post a few days ago centered around Gay to PHX, but stopped bc I value my 'Gollum from Lord of the Ring's voice' "PRECIOUS" points, and didnt want to take the negs. But like Siggy says, Memphis is a small market team and simply cannot afford him. With that said, they cannot deal him for a player of equal talent bc again, $$$ comes into place and you're not finding that talent at any bargain. I figured PHX has the cap space and in need of a star and figured Gay to PHX in return for Dudley and either Shannon Brown or Wes Johnson. Dudley is a solid defender and outside shooter and can start at sf on this team. Brown or Johnson would add depth at the sg behind Allen and both brings outside shooting to the team and friendly, expiring contracts. And in terms of picks, Phx can send future Lakers picks or protect their own, bc frankly, Memphis really does want/need to do this deal. Phx gets a star at a position of need, and will have a lotto pick to draft their other position of need, SG, which is deep with solid prospects in this year's draft. Win-win for both squads.
ok, so the report inicates that the deal is centered around Gay for Dudley and Lakers picks. I add Brown or Johnson to the deal for depth and yet I get negged?
I now see the trade proposal with Beas to Cleveland.
I dont want to see Rudy go to Phoenix. I think its going to take away from Memphis significantly ... He's there main closer, and gives them that multi-dimensional scorer that no one else on the roster gives them. But i undeerstand they cant afford him. Phoenix is not the place for him tho. Maybe Sacramento with Cousins for the future or in Orlando. Maybe even the Bobcats with Kemba. I just dont want him in Phoenix. Pierce and KG are headed out. Boston is going to need a guy to pair with Rondo very soon. It's going to be real interesting this trade season.
What do you think of Gay for Evans, Johnson, and Garcia?
Evans is ony last year of rookie deal, and there's a good chance Memphis can retain him at a cap friendly deal. Johnson has 3 mil expiriing and Garcia is 6 mil, with team option. I kind of like Conley-Evans backcourt to mate with Gasol-Randolph front court.
Kings has fromcourt of Cousind-TRob-Gay to build around and will have a high pick to draft someone in backcourt.
Chris Wallace did mention that teams have called them about Rudy Gay's availability,but he said they're not looking to trade 1 of their core guys right now....They feel with everyone healthy,they can go far in the playoffs....Wallace said they are looking to add another shooter...........
Ellington had his 2nd best game of the season last night,scoring 26 points in the win over the Kings,but he has been inconsistent this season,if he can play like that every night,they'll be very scary........Bayless their other free agent signing,have adjusted his game,he's looking to pass 1st...There have been several times when he had an open shot,but passed off to a teammate,and it led to a turnover...I think its good he's trying to get his teammates involved,becuz that was the knock on him in his other stops...But thats not what they brought him to Memphis........They were looking for instant offense from both guys...
I think if it comes to cutting salaries, Memphis would trade Randolph,before Rudy...Becuz they keep talking about how much they loved what they saw in Speights when Z Bo was out...But i think Z Bo & Gasol are the heart & soul of that team...
It makes sense. Phoenix has picks with which to deal (likely the Heat and Grizzlies in addition to their own, though there are a multitude of protections and conditions), and enough cap room to absorb some money. Would adding Rudy Gay greatly improve their projections? Maybe him and a top ten SG to go with Gortat and their army of PFs would be intriguing, but not contending. Would an extra pair of middle-to-late first round picks in the 2013 Draft do anything more? No. Memphis has a title contending roster that probably needs to cut payroll and add capable rookie-scaled young players in order to stay there, but dealing Gay this year would close this year's window. While this draft doesn't look that good, weak drafts have players who can supplement Zach Randolph and Marc Gasol. The weakness is the lack of Zach Randolphs and Marc Gasols.
I figured Rudy wouldn't last past the deadline once they re-configured their front office in Memphis. I don't love Phoenix as a destination for him, but it's not a bad fit...they play up-tempo and the whole Dragic as a first option needs to go. Something like this, plus a Lakers pick or 2 http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=9wevw3q
Gets Memphis under the luxury tax, plus adds some much needed perimeter shooting in Dudley and Morris gives them 5 quality bigs. Wes Johnson is expiring too so that helps their cap situation even more
Dudley would be a nice fit in Memphis
Gerald Wallace and Marshon Brooks for Rudy Gay
Nets: they need a shake up bad, Brooks doesnt play and this would give them consistent scoring
Williams - Johnson - Gay - Humphries - Lopez
Watson - Bogans - Stack - Evans - Blatche
Grizz: pick up a glue guy and a scorer off the bench
Conley - Allen - Wallace - ZBo - Gasol
Bayless - Brooks - Pondexter - Arthur - Speights
Trade Rodney Stuckey and Prince and Kris Middleton to Memphis for Rudy Gay.
This gives someone who knows how to attack the rim, and Prince can play the 2, 3 or 4 and it gives Gasol and Z-Bo more room to operate down low. Also with prince they get a low maintenance veteran who doesn't need the ball all the time to score and plays within the team (and can play Point-Forward). And with Kris Middleton they get a low risk, high reward player because he has good potential.
From the pistons standpoint, they finally get a first scoring option in Gay. and finally solves their issue with scoring from the wing and gives them a go to player down the stretch. Also, it speeds them up in the Youth movement (which would push them into the playoffs).
Drummond (assuming he finally start the second half of the season)
Gay to phoenix would be good for phoenix. need a proven scorer and go to guy.
but if suns give up 2 or more picks its not worth it plus his contract.
As a Phoenix fan, it appears to me that post Nash and STAT, we are stuck in limbo, not good enough to contend but not bad enough to get a franchise changing player in the draft unless the lottery balls went our way. Rather like the Pacers post JO we'll go along at below .500 until the cap has cleared and players develop, the Pacers were fortunate enough to draft well and have the lower mid first rounders really turn out well. This may not happen for Phoenix I fear so adding Gay would be a move I'd look to do based around a couple of draft picks, a nice piece or two and expiring deals.
Personally I do see Cleveland as a great fit for Gay, he'd be the senior guy there and fill the SF hole, they have the backcourt sorted and Thompson at PF is now looking a double-double guy and they have those Miami picks due to use as trade bait, so they can maybe keep their own picks.