Do you think both teams win by swapping Deng and Gay?
Deng is the more half court player with a great mid-range shot, while Gay the athletic scorer. I think both players will make a better fit in the other team's scheme. Memphis plays from the inside out, and Randolph/Gasol will draw attention giving Deng more open shots, which he doesnt miss 15 ft out. As for Gay, can you imagine him running alongside Rose? I think Chicago, and Rose, needs another go to scorer, as Gay can create on his own. I still believe in him and I think he will be that high scoring all-star we expected out of him, in Chicago. Deng is a great defender, but Gay is not that far behind. Another big point is the $$$$. Although Memphis made that deal with Cleveland to get under the luxury cap, they are still a small market and I think would like to shed some more money. Not only does Deng makes 3 million less than Gay, but his contract runs a year less, and will expire after next season. I dont see him demanding more than 8 mill a year afterwards, which will be a cap friendly deal for Memphis. Your thoughts?
The Bulls don't want to be in the luxury tax though, so if they make this move, expect some smaller contracts to be included, or they part ways with Rip. And you are sending Deng to the Western Conference, which is a good move for the Bulls, because wherever Deng goes, he will be a very solid contributor and would rather see him out West than stay in the East.
I think it has potential for both teams. Gay just makes so much $$$ though. He'll be making 19 million in a couple of years, but I think it could be a dare to be great move for the Bulls. Makes perfect since for the Grizzlies imo.
for once a deal that makes sense for both teams. The bulls get a scorer to help rose and the grizzlies get deng who fits great with them at a cheaper price. The bulls still have jimmy butler so they still have a great perimeter defender. The bulls could amnasty boozer this offseason so that they wouldnt have to pay much luxury tax. If the bulls could have got speights in it too it would be a perfect trade for both teams.
It's really hard to see a good trade around here. You have my point.
Thanks- Ive bombed a few recent trade ideas :-)
Nearly ruined this one by trying to involve Boozer somewhere......Do you think that any team out there will bite and take him if Chicago was to throw in the Bobcats pick they own?
If you include the pick I'm sure you could find someone willing to take him it's just a matter of what the Bulls have to take back and whether it makes sense. For example i would hope the Raptors would do the trade if the Bulls took back Bargnani, but the Bulls may not like this
Boozer's bad contract will only last two more years after this year. I think there are many teams that would be willing to take Boozer if the Bobcats' pick was attached, including the Bobcats.
However, I think that trade would be foolish for the Bulls. If the Bulls amnesty Boozer after this season it is very likely that some other team will pick him up for $8-10M/year, making the Bulls total liability $10-15M, which will not be counted against the cap. I think a high level lotto pick is worth more than $10-15M for a team like Chicago.
I would be ecstatic as a Jazz fan if they traded Jefferson for Boozer + the Bobcats pick and I don't even like Boozer. I just think the potential that comes with that type of a pick is big and would be worth the money/downgrade.
^ money only counts off if a team picks him up off of waivers. If he hits free agency then that's just extra money to him. Nobody is going to bid 8mil a season for him.
Bulls wouldn't even flinch at this deal. They love Deng and his D, work ethic, and character. They do not want Rudy Gay, even though they could use his scoring.
The Bulls would love Rudy's ability to run with Rose and create his own offense, but I think they love Deng's defense and role play much more. Great trade idea though.
Okay, I hate to be the bad guy here, but what makes this a good trade for the Bulls (I think it's a great trade for the Grizzlies)?
Is Rudy Gay even better than Luol Deng? He's more talented maybe, but I don't think he's a better basketball player. Scoring wise... They're close. While Deng isn't as good as Gay off of the dribble, I think he's a more efficient player. He's a better shooter and I like the fact he can play without the basketball. Gay is a ball stopper (his shot selection isn't the best either). Deng is not. In a motion offense that's a big deal. The Bulls are one of the best teams in the league when it comes to moving the basketball. I don't really see how Gay fits.
Defensively, Deng is better. While I do believe Gay is better defensively than what people think and the numbers will support that, I think Deng is a much better defender and just competes more at that end.
Then the final thing for me is the fact that Gay is being paid more AND has an player option for a third year, whereas Deng's contract only has two seasons remaining.
I don't think this is a good trade at all. The Grizzlies would be winning this deal in a landslide. They get the better and cheaper player.
This would most likely help both teams but my only concern would be for Memphis lacking a go to scorer at the end of games. Rudy Gay is the guy they want to have the ball when the game is on the line and they need a bucket. They have great inside play with Randolph and Gasol but rarely do you see a team go to the big guys in crunch time. Deng is a slightly better defender and a very similar player overall has never really been known as a go to guy at the end of games. This would put the ball in Conleys hands at the end of games. Conley has been having a very nice year but he isn't a guy I would want to be taking the last shots of a playoff game. The Bulls would make out slightly better from a basketball standpoint but the Grizz would benefit from the financial aspect. All in all it is a pretty fair trade that would benefit both teams...mostly because of the Grizz and their need to shed salaries.
As a citizen of Illinois living a few hours away from Chicago, I have a ton of friends that are Bulls fans, and we actually had this conversation the other day. Luol Deng for Rudy Gay, straight up.
We both had a long conversation about it, and as it seems to be a logical deal for both teams, we decided in the end that Rudy Gay's contract was too high for Chicago, as they are going to be looking to cut wages after this season.
As much as this deal could be potentially good for both squads, I just can't see Chicago pulling the trigger, specifically for salary cap based reasons.