Super Awesome Trade Idea!
The grizzles would probably want more because while they are not enamored with the way Mayo fits on their team they are not dumb and do not undervalue him. The Grizzlies know he was the third pick in the draft and understand he has the capabilities and work ethic to live up to that hype but probably not with them.
The Bobcats draft pick is not going to be a top ten pick so I doubt Memphis would pull the trigger on that. Gibson would be a nice fit on that team tho and Mayo would be awesome in Chicago alongside Derrick Rose. That would really jumpstart his career and Mayo's skill set is a nice combination with Rose'.
You do know this is the same GM that traded Pau Gasol for Kwame Brown, right. I dont see it to be too ridiculous to make this trade. But i forgot tongueoutlike23, you know everything. Mayo isnt even getting a chance to play on this team. If he was a 20 point scorer, he would be scoring 20 a game.
I like the deal for a couple of reasons
Zach Randolph will be traded or they let him walk after this season because they can't afford him and he's said he is ready to win now
Taj Gibson is a very good player and they get a draft pick
O. J Mayo is ont he outs there anyway
And the Bulls could use a shooting guard who can shoot and play defense
If i'm the Grizz though i think i'd wait since i heard that there are a couple of interested teams and they probably could get a even better deal for Mayo. I'd keep that deal on the table in case i couldn't get anything better but with a Potential Allstar talent in Mayo you could probably get more
Kurt Thomas. If you have watched the Bulls (probably not) he has been outstanding for them. Between him and Asik, you could easily survive. If you are trotting out Rose/Mayo/Deng/Boozer/Noah as your starting 5, its really not going to matter.
This trade is so stupid.
Gibson isn't needed in Memphis and Chicago is winning. Why mess around with the roster when you're winning? You're giving up your best bench defender in Taj Gibson for a guy who has been a locker room problem and hasn't been shooting well since entering the league. Maybe if Arthur was included in the deal, it would have some credibility. But this, this just isn't right. Next year when Kurt Thomas retires, who's going to be their backup? Omar Asik is good, but he can only play one position at a time.
interesting and SANE trades i've seen proposed on here, so congrats. memphis might ask for a little more, but i reckon that pick will be at the LEAST top 10 in 2016. you need to balance the salaries too, so i've gone for a similar but expanded trade:
CHI gets: OJ Mayo, H Haddadi, MEM 2nd round pick
MEM gets: T Gibson, O Asik, J Johnson, B Scalabrine, CHA pick
Asik and Johnson are two prospects who would get more burn in Memphis. Chicago isn't playing either and gets Haddadi inside to replace, before coming off the books at the end of the season. Scalabrine is to balance the salaries, but would be a good locker room presence for Memphis.
I like Arthur more then Gibson too. Arthur is a dynamic scorer who can really come into a game and change the tide. Gibson is rock solid tho and is a better defender and rebounder but I don't think as overall talented as Arthur.
And that Pau Gasol trade didn't work out too bad for Memphis because Marc Gasol is very good they just should of never drafted Thabeet and this organization would be in way better situation if they would of drafted Rubio or Curry like a lot of us thought.
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Are you serious? You're going to give up all your big men? Kurt Thomas isn't 22 ya know.. Noah and Boozer are constantly injured. So, Kurt Thomas and Hamed Haddadi are your bigmen coming off the bench when Noah and Boozer are out? Wow...
according to future playoff rankings the Grizz have a chance to make it in as the 8th seed. The Owner promised the playoffs this year. And it's reported that he is a big Mayo fan. Plus the Bulls team belong to DRose. Does Mayo believe he is a Franchise type of guy, or is will to come in as 3rd option R.Harper/T.Kukoc type. His skills may say 2nd third option, but his ego may tell him he is a 1st option type of player. So this should not happen. Bulls should look for a veteran player that could come in and help them with wins, solid D, and 3point shooting(S.Battia/A.Parker) both expiring deals with great character who can play 3/4 options of Offense, with stellar hand in the face perimiter Defense.
This is definitely a possible trade but i just dont see it happening. The Bulls love Gibson too much and hes alot more valuable to them than people think. Also, Memphis could probably sort out a better trade than this since Mayo is still young and is capable of being a very good player. Gibson and a draft pick doesnt seem like a fair trade especially when they already have some good bigs and are a extremely young team already.
short term fix: dleague
long term fix: trade one of bogans, brewer or korver (my vote definately with bogans) for a big- poss along with that 2nd rounder.
simple.
you have to make sacrifices to pick up quality players, and mayo is definitely one of them. quite possibly scalabrine could come back on a buyout.
The Blazers moved their roster around and worsened themselves. What's your point?
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No. 2009 the Blazers had a very good team, with ALOT of young talent, and it was obvious they should make a move throwing Rudy and some kind of package to reel in a bigtime player to fill in next to Roy and Aldridge. They didnt. They said "well be great in a few years". Now there chances of winning a title are completely shot. You only live right now. The Bulls are very very good. But upgrading the SG makes them a serious threat for the title.
Let me draw it out for you since you arent very smart.
You said the Bulls didnt need to make a move, because they were winning. But they have a glearing weakness at SG. Most people, dont think the Bulls are going to win the title with there current roster, much like the Blazers in 2009, who went 54-28. The Blazers decided even if they werent the favorites, they needed to stand pat because they were winning. Ever since then, they have gone downhill since they didnt make the big move when the time was right. I dont want to see the Bulls do the same thing.
THATS MY POINT. God i cant believe i reaelly had to spell it out to you as if you havent watched basketball over the past 3 years.
No need to get angry at yourself man.
1. If the Bulls trade Taj Gibson, who's going to fill in if/when Noah and Boozer get injured? Which they have so much this season.
2. Their weakness at the shooting guard position isn't so bad. Brewer is a very good defender. Korver is one of the best shooters in the L. And Keith Bogans is a salted veteran.
3. The only way this deal would be a little sweeter was if the Grizzlies threw in Darrell Arthur, that way, the Bulls have a back up power foward that isn't nearing 40 years of age.
I'm not saying it's a horrible trade, but neither team needs it. The Grizzlies already have Arthur who is good in his own right, not the defensive player that Gibson is, but the better all around player.
How do the Grizzlies get better with this trade? They lose a scorer off the bench (or starting, depending if he does better), and get a power forward that will most likely end up backing up Arthur in the future.
How do the Bulls get better with this trade? Yes, they get a good scorer, but Mayo takes about 15 shots to get his 16 points for his career. He's not very efficient. They also lose their best post defender off the bench and probably their best rebounder off the bench.
The Grizzlies come out big losers in this trade. Mayo for Gibson? Mayo is obviously the better player.
I don't think OJ Mayo is the right one for the Bulls, they need a SG who offensively can just switch it on and can make an impact on the defensive side of the ball. OJ Mayo thinks he's a first option, and seems like he can only play as a 1st or 2nd option. He'll be in the same situation as Memphis if he went to the Bulls.
1. If the Bulls trade Taj Gibson, who's going to fill in if/when Noah and Boozer get injured? Which they have so much this season.
Again, apparently you dont watch the Bulls. Since Noah has been out, KURT THOMAS has been starting, not Gibson. Gibson plays Boozer's backup minutes and thats about it.
2. Their weakness at the shooting guard position isn't so bad. Brewer is a very good defender. Korver is one of the best shooters in the L. And Keith Bogans is a salted veteran.
Brewer cant hit a shot Korver cant guard anybody. Neither of them is anything more than a glorified specialist.
3. The only way this deal would be a little sweeter was if the Grizzlies threw in Darrell Arthur, that way, the Bulls have a back up power foward that isn't nearing 40 years of age.
The Celtics have a bunch of fossils, everyone is still picking them to go all the way. Thomas has been better than Gibson this year.
How do the Bulls get better with this trade? Yes, they get a good scorer, but Mayo takes about 15 shots to get his 16 points for his career. He's not very efficient. They also lose their best post defender off the bench and probably their best rebounder off the bench.
They improve shooting guard dramatically, and lose someone who plays 15-20 minutes a night. Its trading a reserve for a starter, so yes, it does improve them. Memphis its more about the pick than the player. but Gibson could still help them out. You try to say Mayo is good, and then you act as if he wont help the Bulls. He would help the bulls SOOOO MUCH its not even funny. They have had no consistancy out of the 2 all year.
Ok, then enlighten me, who is this shooting guard? JR Smith is a clown, Rip Hamilton is old, and the guys they have stink. Mayo is a good defender when he wants to be. You guys dont wwatch the Bulls regularly. I do. I know what this team needs and its more fire power which is exactly what Mayo brings to the table. This team has been feeding Kurt Thomas in crunch time. They need scoring.
If your talking about firepower then JR Smith makes a lot more sense then what Mayo does. If Mayo struggles to play consistently alongside Rudy Gay and Zach Randolph what makes you think it's going to happen along Derrick Rose and Carlos Boozer?
Ok.. So Kurt Thomas isn't old but Rip Hamilton is? Okay, got it bro, great argument on age.
Whether Kurt Thomas is better right now or not, this team is going to be good long term and Kurt Thomas isn't. So I don't care what Kurt Thomas is doing this year, Gibson will be good for the next 5-7 years. They need youth go join Noah, Boozer, Deng, and Rose. Not 38 year olds.
How do the Grizzlies get better with this trade?
Don't compare Kurt Thomas to the Celtics. 1. He's older than everybody on the Celts. 2. KG, Pierce, Allen, Shaq were ALL better players in their prime than Kurt Thomas EVER was at any point of his career.
Their the 3rd best defensive team in the L and you want to bring in a player who, as you said, "is a good defender when he wants to be."
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
This was not a dumb trade idea considering the horrible ones that people come up. I forgot Arthur is still with memphis. I think Gibson is better than Arthur. gibson has shown he can be a full time starter on a good team while arthur has shown he can be a good part time starter.
I do think it would hurt the Bulls since Kurt thomas is there back up and he is up there in age. so i would suggest offering mayo and arthuer for Mayo and a draft pick and or a player
Tongue-out clearly doesn't know what he's talking about or much about the Bulls. If the Bulls wants to win it all, they need a SG who can score. Bogans/Brewer can't do anything on offense, both are great on defense but can't find the bottom of the net. I guess it's such a bad idea that multiple sports columnists/reporters have written articles on the same situation....
Shooting guards Jackson and Mayo on Bulls' radar
Longtime coach O'Neill thinks Jackson would be good complement to Rose
December 28, 2010|By Around Town | Fred Mitchell and David Kaplan
NBA sources tell us the Bulls are one of the most aggressive teams in the NBA trade market as they try to find a scoring guard who is a good fit with All-Star point Derrick Rose.
USC coach Kevin O'Neill, a longtime college head coach and NBA assistant has experience with Stephen Jackson and O.J. Mayo, both of whom reportedly on the Bulls radar.
"Jackson is a better shooter and probably is a better fit alongside Rose," O'Neill said. "Mayo is more of a slasher and wants the ball in his hands to take it to the basket, which takes the ball out of Rose's hands. (That's why) Jackson is probably a better complement to Rose." http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-12-28/sports/ct-spt-1229-around-town--20101228_1_bulls-radar-bulls-logo-coat-drive
Now all they need is a closer -- distinctively at Shooting Guard.
A name floating around much more so than others is O.J. Mayo, whose existence with current Memphis Grizzlies has all but come to a halt, seeing a diminished role every season since he was drafted and traded to the Grizzlies.
His numbers has decline due in part to others' increased roles, specifically Marc Gasol (C), Mike Conley (PG), Rudy Gay (SF) and Zach Randolph (PF).
Three who can score; one can create for others, and none give up as much on the defensive end as does OJ Mayo.
So you ask, is he obtainable? What does he bring to the Bulls?
One, I think he is obtainable and just what Bulls need in terms of a soon-to-be Superstar. Secondly, he brings stability to the off-Guard position, scoring, plus youth and familiarity to Bulls budding Superstar: Derrick Rose.
However (yeah, yeah) you have those whom appear disengaged since it requires swapping actual tangibles for him -- especially if it omits Forward Taj Gibson and picks in the process. That's understandable in the micro. But feeding to the macro you have to do it.
Mayo's bread-and-butter is scoring, shooting the ball which Bulls have been reluctant to do with a lack-less roster of stingy players. Not one can I point to and say, 'he has the Larry Hughes syndrome.' Not one. Instead, the roster is relatively left with much of the same:
Rose = Watson
Bogans = Brewer
Boozer = Gibson
Noah = Asik
To better go about addressing this redundancy, adding Mayo's 3000-plus points -- in three career seasons -- is one which rivals Derrick Rose's, by exactly 234-points less.
So imagine if Rose's best batman after the switch doesn't have to fight for shots -- or even have so much as worry about Deng or Boozer turning into Randolph and Gay overnight.
No longer is he the fourth option; he's the main option
NBA Trade Rumors: 10 Players Who Would Make Chicago Favorite in the East
By
Scott Malewig
(Contributor) on January 28, 2011
The Chicago Bulls are already one of the top teams in the NBA's Eastern Conference. They currently sit in the 3 seed if the season were to end today and they have not even had their entire starting line-up together for more than a few games with Derrick Rose, Joakim Noah and Carlos Boozer all missing time this season. The Bulls are one of the top defensive teams in the NBA and should only get better as the season wears on and they continue to get healthy.
The only flaw in their roster right now is at shooting guard where they start Keith Bogans and bring in Ronnie Brewer off the bench for most of the minutes. They could use a shooter to stretch the floor while also keeping up their defensive prowess. There are a few players here that will only help on the offensive end, but each one of them really brings something that the Bulls lack, a scoring threat at the two guard position.
If they can bring in one of these players it would be hard not to consider them the favorites to win the East this season.
3. O.J. Mayo
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He may have just been suspended for 10 games for a banned substance, but that should not stop the Bulls from pursuing him.
Once a highly regarded talent coming out of USC, Mayo has fallen off this season, but if he is put in the right situation his talent could show through once again.
As a third or fourth scoring option on the Bulls he could thrive. Also, he has played point in the past and could take over C.J. Watson's role backing up Derrick Rose.
I could post a few more but I think you get the point. Tongue-out...open mouth, insert foot and stfu. Mayo would be a great fit for the Bulls.
no, scalabrine would be last. but thats irrelevant, because you said on a 'championship team', and the bulls are nowhere near. maybe 2-3 seasons down the line with a couple of decent drafts and maturation of rose, noah, and in this case, mayo. but at the moment, the bulls are soft inside (boozer can't guard ANYONE), have a glaring deficiency at the 2- not the slight one you make out (brewer can't shoot, korver can't play defense, and bogans is just average. so yeah, i might make this deal, because it gives the bulls an extra piece towards a championship. not a championship.
As time has gone on, and both teams seasons have played out, i am finding it hard to see why either of these teams wouldnt do this deal:
Bulls send Taj Gibson and the Bobcats 2012 draft pick to Memphis for OJ Mayo.