T-mac
It is definitely fair, I am arguing his career in his prime (the part you deny was great) which I just proved to you was better number wise then Carter.
Mark Aguirre has nothing to do with McGrady, so that holds no weight.
Again "Shaq's team never got better when he was hurt..." has nothing to do with his prime. Which is what this argument is about.
no its not, i said McGrady is the most overrated player in the past 15-20 years.
McGrady is this Era's Mark Aguirre. Shaq's team never got better
Also, A Fake #1 option could be Antwan Jamsion. He had good numbers in GS but was not a good #1 option on a good team.
I don't think thats a fair assessment. You pointed out yourself that the Magic got the number one pick after Mcgrady left. If the rockets come out and go 10-0 to start the season next year are we going to say they are better off without yao and mcgrady? When they won 11 games in a row 2 years ago without yao we didnt say that yao should immediately be traded because he is no help to this team. Fact is mcgrady brings a unique skill set to houston that no one can match, yao as well. i think if mcgrady was as expendable as you are suggesting he would have been traded already. He is just waiting to come back and prove all his doubters wrong.
why is there career alike?..in what way?..is it just because of the scoring because if thats the case i can name a couple of guys who are or will be in the hall of fame or have there jerseys retired whos careers (scoreing) is similar
The only thing similar about Aguirre and McGrady's career numbers are points. The Rebounds are semi close but the assists and steals aren't plus Aguirre was a bit more turnover prone.
Well knicksboy, Carter is more overrated then McGrady so there you go. You are wrong.
Pierce, Nowizki, Webber (who couldn't stay on the court) and Allen over McGrady really? You don't know much about him i assume, he isn't Ben Gordon, he doesn't give up 30 to his man that often and he was signed in Orlando to be a defensive stopper until Hill got hurt so obviously he was interested in defense at one point.
has probably ran it's course. Knicksboy does'nt think as highly of mcgrady as some others do. Sort of like banging your head into a wall at this point to continue to argue over it.
When did he play defensive in Tronto he was known for dunking and scoring (he was signed to be a scorer).... McGrady was never really an ironman himself... Dude always gets lit up people never noticed cause he was dropping 30 or 40 points... Grant Hill was injured was always hurt... McGrady and defensive thats a joke...
Knicksboy you would take a healthy Nene over him too, probably a healthy Larry Hughes too. That doesn't mean you are right, especially since you are far from it.
Give me some evidence of him getting dropped 30 and 40 on, a few dozen times a season as you are suggesting and then maybe I will take your opinion seriously.
Thanks
he wasnt considered a defense of stopper but he was never by no means as bad as a defender as you say so im not sure where you are getting that from he played average defense not great nor was it bad...i used to follow mcgrady, watching most of his games so youre not gonna convince me he was such a bad defender nor that he was overrated in his prime ...and name all these times he gave up 30-40..i can think of a couple which comes out to the same average as most of the best shooting guards that have played
Knicksboy seeing as you are so young I think it would be you who had never seen him play. Webber was a great great player but McGrady is his prime was a HOF player.
Let me restate that, in their primes they were both HOF players, but McGrady gets the slight edge in my book. Plus they weren't good at the same period of time unless you count his first season in Orlando.
no he was not. McGrady is Mark Aguirre 2.0 thats it.
Webber was one of a kind. He had a couple of issues in his career ( butting head with Don Nelson and microfrature surgery) and his number were still pretty good.
I am not knocking Webber as a player, he was fantastic. McGrady was better in his prime though, it's really not that hard to understand. He is nothing like Aguirre except scoring wise too, so yeah bad argument.
He means to say that he understands why you are belittling McGrady, because you didn't see him in his prime.
webber wasnt one of a kind..he was a good player but far from one of a kind...he MIGHT go to the hall of fame..if he was a one of a kind he would have had at least one mvp a couple first team all nbas and be a first ballot hall of famer..sorry his stats and what he did is far from one of a kind...that was a pretty funny joke though
So you are judging him by what you remember of him as an eight yeard old until you were 13? That is a tough way to judge someone.
On another note, how was the podcast? I never really heard what happened with it?
Oh okay.
Anyway, T-Mac > Carter, Webber. Hands dwon.
Gotta find a new topic to argue about!
Hmmm how do you feel about Greg Oden and Durant? Or Amare or Rose?
You just earned my respect.
Well other then Amare (even though you are right) we agree on those.
too early to call him a bust. And I don't see many similarities in Durant and Worthy other then they were both skinny forwards. Worthy was a poor shooter past 18 feet, and he liked to attack the rim. He had some nice spin moves around the basket. Durant will probably hit more threes next season then worthy had during his entire career.










yeah, I actually thought Nash should'nt have won either of those mvp's. But I do think he should have won it the year they gave it to Dirk, but there was no way they were gonna give nash 3 in a row when he probably did'nt deserve the first 2.