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Timeberwolves and Bulls trade

I've heard rumors that the Timberwolves will ship the first 2-3 picks to Chicago for Ben Gordon. Another bad deal for the Timberwolves?


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bad deal for both. wolves

bad deal for both. wolves are lookin to the future and chicago is looking to the present. what are the bulls gunna do with 6 picks?

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I agree. If it was only 2

I agree. If it was only 2 picks and they ship another player to Minnesota i would like it because then the bulls could get a back to the basket player, and get a steph curry or demar derozan

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Minnesota already has a

Minnesota already has a shooting guard. His name is randy foye and no he can't play point guard in this league.

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where did you hear this

where did you hear this because i heard the same for Kirk Hinrich.

As a matter of fact, they dont have to do that trade....Gordon is a unrestricted...why not just pay for him?

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BAD MOVE

this would be a bad move for the wolves cause they dont need a 2 guard what they need is a proven or quality PG lets say maybe Hinrich which i think would fit the wolves cause he can shoot, defend and pass the ball to Big AL inside. And if they really like wanted Gordon they could sign him without giving up someone or some of their picks cause Ben is an Unrestricted FA.

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As a Bulls fan...

I don't see this trade making sense. we would have too many picks, while still trying to keep cap room open for 2010. Even trading Hinrich now wouldn't make that much sense because if BG opts for free agency, their back court will be very thin. If any one is going to get traded this off season it is Tyrus Thomas.

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first of all, the wolves

first of all, the wolves cant sign BG cuz they're over the cap. I think the only possibilities for that are OKC, Mem, and Det? or a sign and trade?

Also, the salaries on that don't work. you can't just trade picks for a player with BG's salary if the team getting the salary isn't under the cap.

I don't buy the bulls moving hinrich at this point either... They have to cover their asses in case BG leaves and they can't go into next year with Rose , a 2nd year guy, being the most experienced guard on the roster. I think they grab the best 2 available and just go with Rose, Hinrich and their pick.

I really hope the wolves don't trade for Hinrich. I don't think he's the answer by any means and he ties up 10 million. The wolves are going to have cap space next summer, they shouldn't mortgage that for Kirk...

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Hinrich is 28 and very

Hinrich is 28 and very underrated.

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Minnesota isnt exactly a

Minnesota isnt exactly a prime landing spot for big name free agents. Hinrich can step in and give you a much better opportunity to win than any rookie could. He is in his prime. He brought a young Chicago team to the second round of the playoffs 2 years ago. He was also named to the 2nd team all-defensive team that season. He was also named to the all-rookie team with Lebron and company.

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2nd in three-point field goals made, career - 704
2nd in three-point field goals attempted, career - 1695
4th in assists, career - 2659
6th in steals, career - 560
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He probably will not go to

He probably will not go to Minnesota but he is a good player. I dont know what you're smoking to think that Evans is going to put up 16 an 6 his rookie season.

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BG7 in Minnesota?

I'm not seeing it. He would have to agree to that trade and I'm not convinced he would.

A better proposal:

To T-Wolves: Kirk Hinrich
To Bulls: #18 pick and possibly #28

Why?

The Bulls want to cut salary for 2010 and they are rumored to be trading up in the draft (DeJuan Blair, Terrence Williams, or DeMar DeRozan). Having multiple picks would allow them the chance to do just that.

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Trade

Wolves were supposedley close to deal for Hinrich on deadline last year. They like him and he's a good solid player. Bulls have 2 1st rounders, so a deal that makes sense would be Bulls trading Hinrich and picks 16 and 26 for pick6. Remember after Joe Smith fiasco, Wolves would love to have extra 1st ound picks and could still get 2 quality players and a proven comodity. Bulls would take pick and get a bigger shooting guard. Maybe Harden could fall, though I don't see that happening. Adeal would make a lot of sense.

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Hinrich and the Lottery

I can't see how trading Hinrich can get them the #6 pick. He has value, but not that kind of value. To me, #18 and #28 are more reasonable.

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Reasonable yes, but why

Reasonable yes, but why would bulls want 4 mid to low picks who all would have guarenteed contracts?

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As I said...

so they can trade up.

I can see #16 and #26 going to G.S. for #7, so they can draft DeJuan Blair or DeMar DeRozan. I can also see them trading Hinrich to the T-Wolves, for #18 and some expiring contracts, so they can get Terrence Williams, who by the way thinks the Bulls will be getting him on draft day.

Think BIG PICTURE.

The Bulls want Chris Bosh and probably DWADE. Therefore, Luol Deng, Tyrus Thomas and BG7 might be heading out of town. Getting multiple draft picks for certain needed depth and cap reasons makes sense.

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Big Picture

I'm with you on big picture totally, but 4 guarenteed 1st rounders eat up too much space. I think Golden State pick makes sense. I wish they could somehow get Harden, but Derozan would work just fine. I think Blair is reach at 7. I could see Bosh and Wade on same team and that team could well be the Bulls. I hope so. The thought of them with Rose has to be exciting! If they had that combo, whatever is left from roster and a couple picks from the early to mid part of this draft, they are on their way to greatness.

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the wolves have a NEW GM in

the wolves have a NEW GM in case you guys didn't know...granted they're not giving him complete power... but still, it's not the same people in charge as at the deadline so who knows if Kahn is into Hinrich. Timberwolves fans know nothing about Kahn's basketball philosophy which is making it really tough to speculate on how these picks will turn out...

My guess: the wolves don't deal for hinrich... why would they take on 10mill to not be anywhere near a championship team? that's what i dont understand about the point about hinrich being better than any rookie PG. GREAT! WOOHOO! who cares. if you don't even have a chance to make the playoffs, why drop so much money?

and again, you can't acquire hinrich without giving salaries back.

i'd also guess that 18 or 28 is int'l and a guy that won't come over next year so that the wolves don't add 3 rookies

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Bulls Championship Roster in 2010?

If they get AGGRESSIVE and make SMART moves.

PG - Rose/Hinrich
SG - Wade/T-Will
SF - Salmons/Young
PF - Bosh/Blair
C - Noah/Miller

Ultimately, I would try to ship out Gordon to New Jersey for Bobby Simmons and the 11th pick (draft Blair), then go get T-Will at #16, then Sam Young at #26 and finally use Luol Deng and Ty Thomas to get Bosh or Amar'e. They can sign Wade, Salmons and Miller in 2010 to affordable contracts. Simmons and Omer Asik could round out the roster.

That my friends is a CHAMPIONSHIP roster in the making.

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it's called the salary cap man

i can't see that ever coming to fruition. have u looked at the numbers at all? or is that just imaginary in every sense of the word.

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$80 million dollar roster

That's like the Celtics and the Lakers. Championships cost money.

They are taking out BG7, Deng, Ty Thomas and Tim Thomas. That's a lot of money there. Miller won't get big money next contract, Salmons will stay the same, Hinrich's money goes down over the next few years. Rose won't get a big contract until 2012, and draft picks are around $4million a year.

It can be done.

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On paper the plan is

On paper the plan is wonderful. Some people have to say yes though. Raptors or Suns, Wade.........yes it would be a championship looking team, but it's not all in the control of the Bulls.

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Bosh is the key.

If the Bulls get Bosh, then I think they get Wade.

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you can't just go over the

you can't just go over the salary cap.... you know that right? you can get to 80+ million by signing your own guys back, but how much of that do you have going on? i mean, if you worked it out so that it can work under salary cap rules, good for you, but i have a hard time believing that could ever work.

and just for fun,

wade, bosh: 13mill (at least, maybe even sign and trades up to 15 mill)= 26 mill
hinrich: 10, miller: AT LEAST 5, salmons AT LEAST 8 = 23 mill
49 mill
TWill, Young, Blair ~ 4 mill = 12 mill
61 mill

and that's before even rose or noah gets the max deal.... and using conservative estimates for all players....

be honest, have you seen if this could even be a possibility with the cap?

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Good point. As fans we

Good point. As fans we often overlook reality. 3 superstars (assuming Rose develops and he will!) are difficult to pay. Team couldn't have guys around them making much over minimum. Front office would have a miracle getting 3 players of that caliber and it would be even a bigger miracle to surround them with a decent supporting cast. Can't have guys like Hinrich, Deng, Gordon, etc., who I know are in deal for Bosh. However, you need support players and if 1st round picks pan out as hoped, they will get their payday,

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It works...

Right now the Bulls are said to have enough money for one of the BIG 4 coming out in 2010 (Wade, Bosh, Amar'e or LeBron). So, if they were to get rid of BG7, Deng, Ty Thomas, and Tim Thomas, wouldn't that leave room for 2 and then some?

YES!!!

By the way, rookies and Rose won't get really paid, until guys like Hinrich, Salmons, and Miller are at the end of their careers. The math works just fine.

How do the Celtics have 3 guys making $18 million plus? If they can do it, the Bulls can have two and still field all those players.

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Yes they would. My point is

Yes they would. My point is other than 3 good players, what could we afford around them with max contracts a certainty in a capped situation? Your roster has Hinrich who makes over 10 million. I know he may be part of the Bosh deal, but still we need more than 3 good players. Remember even Noah will have a payday in a couple of years, and Salmons will want more money when he's due, and if the rooks are any good......show them the $$$$$$

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I do hope you are right.

I do hope you are right. I'm a Bulls fan and would love to see it. It just isn't as easy as it sounds.

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The math was done.

Look above the math was laid out already.

Rose is locked in until 2012 and rookies won't get paid for 4 years. It's very do-able for the Bulls to put together a roster like that.

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Toronto or Suns AND Wade

Toronto or Suns AND Wade still have to say yes. This isn't in Bulls hands and will not be easy. Egos and money come into play. Wad and Bosh want to be the man and team that holds their rights can make them just that and pay them more money. As I said.....I hope it happens, but please don't think it's as easy as it is on paper. It is not!

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Bulls salaries.

Here's the Bulls salaries.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9193

Let's figure Miller, Salmons, Hinrich, and Rose at $8 million on average = $32 million
Figure Noah, Blair, Williams, Young at $4 million on average = $16 million
Finally give Wade and Bosh $15 million each = $30 million

$78 Million give or take...It can work!!!

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Wade and Bosh have to both

Wade and Bosh have to both say yes. They would both have to take less money and sacrifice their egos. It could happen. Don't count on it. I'm with you. It's a marvelous plan that is possible. My point is there are hurdles out of our hands.

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Like I said...

If they can package Luol Deng and Tyrus Thomas and somehow get Chris Bosh, whether means bringing in a 3rd team or not, they could very well lead them to getting Wade. Afterall, there is a lot of talk about Bosh playing with Wade in Miami in 2010. The Bulls should spoil that plan by trading for Bosh this summer.

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Someone.....either Bosh or

Someone.....either Bosh or Toronto and/or 3rd team still has to say yes. We are in complete agreement on concept. We differ on liklihood of this happening. I say it's a lot more difficult for reasons we can not control such as others agreeing, financial and ego. I am in 100% agreement it's a marvelous plan. No one will argue that.

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