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1. Blake Griffin

NBA Comparison: Karl Malone with more athletic ability / Kenyon Martin with more talent

– He’s often compared to Malone, He’s Karl Malone in terms of size, strength and work ethic. But he’s way more athletic than Malone, Kenyon Martin (when he was in New Jersey) and Antonio McDyess (in his early years) are the best comparisons for Griffin in terms of athleticism and toughness. They all have superior athletic ability, guard speed and quickness, and they can run the floor and lead the fast break.

2. Hasheem Thabeet

NBA Comparison: Dikembe Mutombo / Samuel Dalembert

– Very good athleticism for his size, a defensive demon in the paint. Mutombo comes to mind when you see him play because of the way he blocks shots, gets up and down the court, and very limited offensively.

3. James Harden

NBA Comparison: Paul Pierce / Brandon Roy

– Crafty one on one player with good offensive skills, and above average defensive game. Has above average athleticism, but plays the game in a slow pace. Beats opponents regularly because of his craftiness and variety of moves, also has a respectable jump shot. Pierce and Roy are may be the best comparisons, the way they play the game in a slow-pace and letting the game come to them.

4. Ricky Rubio

NBA Comparisons: Steve Nash w/o the jump shot / a more skillful John Stockton

– Leadership and Maturity are the two main assets of Rubio, you rarely see an eighteen year old leading his team in the Olympics. Superior understanding of the game at a young age. His patience and defensive skills says John Stockton. He’s passing and flare says Steve Nash.

5. Jordan Hill

NBA Comparisons: Poor man’s Amare Stoudemire

– Athletic player at 6’10 232, can hit the perimeter jump shot and also run the floor, very good in pick and roll situations because of the ability to drain the jump shot. Amare comes to mind because of the size and mid-range game. But doesn’t have the talent and intensity of Amare.

6. Tyreke Evans

NBA Comparisons: Jamal Crawford / Rich man’s John Salmons

– Very smooth with the ball, has a lot of moves, in and out’s, crossovers, and spin moves. Has very good size and length. Looks like Jamal Crawford when he’s handling the ball. and John Salmons when he’s attacking the rim.

7. Johnny Flynn

NBA Comparisons: Damon Stoudamire / A little bit of Isaiah Thomas

– A point guard who can make his team better, creates opportunities for his teammates, very good controlling the game. can play uptempo or set up the offense. Furious when attacking the rim due to his superior athletic ability. A leader on the floor.

8. Stephen Curry

NBA Comparisons: Mark Price with less point guard skills / Mike Bibby with less point guard skills

– A pure shooter who’s game has improved. Can play the point guard, passing and ball handling is above average. Can shoot the lights out in any given night. Isn’t that good at the point yet, but eventually will improve.

9. DeMar DeRozan

NBA Comparisons: Vince Carter

– Off the charts athletic ability and a very high upside. Jumps like Vince, has added more faces into his game, a very good rebounder at his position and has a nice mid-range game to compliment his slashing ability.

10. Jeff Teague

NBA Comparisons: Monta Ellis, Kevin Johnson

– A scoring point guard that can score in many ways, excellent athleticism and speed. Can attack the rim and dunk over bigger opponents like Monta and Kevin. Also good with the ball has a nice array of moves.

[auberParticipant]

I’m so sick and tired of the Blake Griffin – Karl Malone/Shaun Kemp/Charles Barkley Comparisons. To me he’s everything Kenyon Martin was coming out of college. He will be a solid player, but not a superstar.

The Flynn comparison is interesting, but too bad his 3pt shot is streaky at best.

[Deeds]

Yeah, But Griffin really has the potential to be a great player.

[knicksfreakParticipant]

You are way underrating Malone’s athleticism and overrating Thabeets.

[Deeds]

I’m just saying Griffin is more athletic than him, dummy.

[auberParticipant]

A Great Player Yes, A super star? I hardly see that one happening. Beasley was a much better player coming out than Griffin is this year.

[Deeds]

He’ll be better than Beasley, because he accepts coaching more, and is far more hard working, just like Karl Malone,

[butidonthavemoney]

“A more skillful John Stockton”

I love Rubio but WHAT???!?!?!!!!??!??!?!?

[Deeds]

He’s like Stockton the way he control’s the game, and can play both ends of the floor.

[auberParticipant]

If you mean not winning a championship then I completely agree with your Karl Malone comparison. Griffin will be a solid player in this league to complement a super star, but saying he’s a surefire one himself is insane. I think Beasley will be the better of the two because of who he has around him.

[Deeds]

Beasley with no doubt has more talent than him, But Griffin does all the little things and any team would want him because of his hard work and toughness, He’ll be a more complete player than Beasley.

[DeRozanfan11]

Griffin compared to Malone sorry. There will be no other player like Malone. If Rubio is a more skillful Stockton he better be going #1. Come on Griffin to Malone Rubio to Stockton? Griffin= Kenyon Martin/Waymen Tisdale Rubio= Steve Nash.

[Deeds]

I said Karl Malone in terms of size, strength and work ethic pls read stupid.

[DeRozanfan11]

More athletic than Malone and the same strength? Come on!

[knicksfreakParticipant]

Malone was as athletic coming into the league.

[Deeds]

Not as athletic as Griffin.

[butidonthavemoney]

Stockton and Malone are not in the 2009 draft. Sorry Clipper and Grizzly fans.

Griffen is taller and more athletic than Malone. About the same speed. That is where the comparison ends.

Rubio is NOT more skilled than John Stockton.

[Deeds]

Comparisons in some aspects of the game pls read.

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

why is everyone so high on Teague all of a sudden? i don’t think he shoud be included in a top ten… I’d definitely put jennings up there above him.

Teague was exposed spring semester… I like the kid but I don’t think he’s better than jennings

[knicksfreakParticipant]

You guys need to youtube Malone when he was young. He was just as athletic as Griffin.

[Deeds]

He just dunks like Griffin but not as athletic as he is.

[butidonthavemoney]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVnBIIlCJKo <—- My Favorite

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE4OxqDSB5I

[Pistol Pete. The PelicanParticipant]

you’re basically saying all of the will be all-stars, which isn’t going to happen

[Deeds]

Their comparisons idiot and not all of them are all-star players.

[Deeds]

There’s no way that Malone is as athletic as Griffin is. Malone’s athletic no doubt, but not in the same level as Griffin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPzYqv3H3mE&feature=related

[Deeds]

I really think that Rubio at 18 is more skilled than Stockton when he was 18.

[butidonthavemoney]

You watched Stockton play in high-school? That must have been exciting.

Do you really need to make six posts in a row? Calm down dude.

[Deeds]

Do you think he’s as good as Rubio back when he was in high school? please be real.

[butidonthavemoney]

I don’t know, but you can’t use a fallacy to prove your point.

I love Rubio and expect big things from him but you were saying that he is more skilled than a top 20 all time player. Quite a prediction and if you are going to stick to it, good for you.

[Deeds]

He really is more skilled. Stockton was a great player, one of the top 5 point guards of all-time, he had a high basketball IQ as his main asset, his skills were also great, but Rubio at 18 playing against the best competition around the world, by far has shown more potential at this level. I’m really not saying that he would be a better player than Stockton, I’m just saying he’s more skilled at this point.

[Deeds]

He really is more skilled. Stockton was a great player, one of the top 5 point guards of all-time, he had a high basketball IQ as his main asset, his skills were also great, but Rubio at 18 playing against the best competition around the world, by far has shown more potential at this level. I’m really not saying that he would be a better player than Stockton, I’m just saying he’s more skilled at this point.

[Deeds]

He really is more skilled. Stockton was a great player, one of the top 5 point guards of all-time, he had a high basketball IQ as his main asset, his skills were also great, but Rubio at 18 playing against the best competition around the world, by far has shown more potential at this level. I’m really not saying that he would be a better player than Stockton, I’m just saying he’s more skilled at this point.

[butidonthavemoney]

Easy to say, hard to prove. Eh?

I disagree, I’d say his work ethic and toughness were his best qualities. He only missed a total of 22 games in his career. 18 of them were because he had the same surgury Greg Oden had. Stockton would back down from noone and his stamina was unmatched.

Career .515% shooter from the field, .384% for 3, and .826% from the line. ALL TIME LEADER in assists by over 5,000! He has 15,806 assists to second place 10,334. Also the ALL TIME LEADER in steals.

I say that Stockton, along with Magic, has set the bar too high for any point guard in this draft. Potential? PSSH! Stockton would kick Rubio around like a soccer ball.

Sorry bro, I have to get defensive when it comes to Stockton.

Represent!

By squirmydude at 2009-06-10

[Deeds]

I know its hard to compare Rubio to Stockton, because he’s accomplished a lot, and is one of the best point guards of all-time, But lets be real Rubio is really more skilled than Stockton.

[j1232eParticipant]

My alltime favorite player.

[Deeds]

You know since we started this conversation i never said that Rubio is better than Stockton. I’m just saying he’s more skilled than him. you’re becoming famous in this site because of me.hahaha

[butidonthavemoney]

How is Rubio more skilled? All you ever say is “Let’s be Real”. I REALly don’t understand what you mean.

Elaborate.

Edit: Also, how are you making me famous?

[Deeds]

An 18 year old playing great against Paul and Kidd in the Olympics. You really need to have a certain skill-level to play against those all-stars. At 18 Rubio is doing that to NBA players.

[butidonthavemoney]

By squirmydude at 2009-06-10

[Deeds]

butidonthavemoney yeah guess you don’t, show this forum to Stockton maybe he’ll marry you and you’ll become rich.hahaha

[butidonthavemoney]

By squirmydude at 2009-06-10

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

[butidonthavemoney]

You should read up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

[Deeds]

pls read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality , you really need help.

[Deeds]

What’s the link for? Do you wanna just kiss Stockton’s ass? hahaha

[butidonthavemoney]

Look at Mr. Deeds getting all defensive. Not smart enough to argue so he will just try petty insults. The least you could is make fun of me for something that isn’t EXACTLY what you are doing with Rubio. I don’t have to explain to the rest of the board what kind of person that makes you.

This has been a huge waste of time. I thought you were mature and intelligent enough to debate a topic but I was wrong.

[Deeds]

hahaha. what are you talking about? do you have a crush on me?hahaha

[Deeds]

I really am just telling the truth, He really has more skill. look who has the Stockton photo. Mrs.Stockton .hahahaha

[Deeds]

pls respond faster, don’t let your gayness take over Mrs. Stockton.

[Deeds]

pls respond faster, don’t let your gayness take over Mrs. Stockton.hahaha

[butidonthavemoney]

Take a deep breath. Settle down. If you really need someone to throw insults at I’m here for you.

Please prepare your mind. This is going to push the limits of your mental capacity. Please respond with a valid arguement. I’ll ask again…

How is Rubio more skilled than Stockton?

If you can’t handle that question, please continue to call me gay.

[Deeds]

pleased i’ve answered it alreay

I know its hard to compare

I know its hard to compare Rubio to Stockton, because he’s accomplished a lot, and is one of the best point guards of all-time, But lets be real Rubio is really more skilled than Stockton.

An 18 year old playing great

An 18 year old playing great against Paul and Kidd in the Olympics. You really need to have a certain skill-level to play against those all-stars. At 18 Rubio is doing that to NBA players.

please everyone agrees with me and no one agrees with you, you always get 0 points.

[Deeds]

He really has more skills, Stockton may be better but he really has more skills, You’ll know that once you take a look at their games.

[butidonthavemoney]

That is not a valid arguement. Raul Lopez played in the Olympics when he was 20. Patrick Mills played in the Olympics last year. Are they more skilled than Stockton?

I really don’t care about points. I know it’s you that keeps giving me thumbs-down. I’m also pretty sure you give yourself points on every post. It’s a flawed system that stands for nothing.

[Deeds]

i’m really not giving you the thumbs down. and i just have 90+ posts then i get 200+ points. yeah they did play, But nobody played in the level that Rubio played. butidonthavemoney honestly do you play ball or just watch? you’ll know the difference when you play.

[Deeds]

So gay, But I really respect your side, Stockton has elite skill-level,But for me Rubio is just more skillful and talented.

[knicksfreakParticipant]

You’re saying that Rubio right now has more skill than Stockton in his prime?

[Deeds]

has the potential to have more skill.

[knicksfreakParticipant]

Ok. As long as you’re not saying Rubio now, has more skills than Stockton. He could develop more, but as of right now no way.

[Deeds]

yeah surely, that’s why i compared him to an 18 year old Stockton, butihavenomoney maybe right that it was not right comparing him, But I really think Rubio was a better player at this point.

[Deeds]

Rubio at this point of his career has more skills than John Stockton. Stockton, one of the best of all-time is a great point guard, that may not be the case for Rubio in the future, But as of this point of their careers Rubio has more potential and skill.

[knicksfreakParticipant]

That might be true. I have no idea how good Stockton was going into Gonzaga but he had a very good college career. He was the 5th ranked pg coming out of college so I assume Rubio is ahead of where Stockton was at 18 years old.

[butidonthavemoney]

This is going around in circles. I feel like I can’t get anywhere arguing with you. If that is your opinion, whatever. Your point is so obscure I don’t even know how to respond. I’m sure you know what you’re talking about but I don’t understand at all.

I have nothing else to say. Lets just agree to disagree.

If you won’t do that, then let me fuel your homophobic rant before I go.

Stockton looks good in short shorts.

Bring it on.

Peace.

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

Deeds is trying to say that Rubio is flashier than Stockton… If, by more skilled, you mean flashier, than maybe I’ll give you that.

Stockton was so skilled that he didnt’ have to do anything spectacular to be, IMO, the best/most efficient PG ever.

Rubio can’t even make a jumper! how could he be more skilled? he just ATTEMPTS more ridiculous passes… just cause stockton didn’t ATTEMPT to make those foolish plays, doesn’t mean he wasn’t able to, it just means that he was skilled enough to score pretty much at-will so he didn’t waste his time with garbage passes that have slim to no chance of being completed….

deeds why you so homophobic? got a little secret? right when someone attacks your point they’re gay? what are you covering up…

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