If Al is traded to the Cs, I'll be sad to see him go (I'm a Jazz fan) because he's a great guy and a very good player. Moreover, he's still young and he's that hyper-skilled type that doesn't rely on athleticism and will likely continue to be good well into his 30s. However, the Jazz are not a contender and Al would be a perfect fit in Boston.
Additionally, Al's trade value was iffy last year because he was a ball stopper and was the most exploitable big in the league on the high pick and roll. However, that is no longer the case. Al is usually not a ball stopper these days and his high pick and roll ability--where almost all bigs are bad--has improved dramatically. I'd go as far as to say he's above average now in this department for a big man. Moreover, he has the highest FG% of any player in the NBA during the final 5 minutes of a game over the last three years.
The question remaining is value and how to make the move with the Cs financial inflexibility--they cannot go more than $4M over the cap w/any trade and Big Al is in the last year of a $15M deal. Moreover, the Jazz don't want to take back long-term contracts in the $6-9M range being paid to mediocre players (Jeff Green, Brandon Bass, etc.). However, for Rondo, the Jazz would probably be willing to give up a lot.
Unless Pierce or Rondo are pieces in the trade it's simply going to be hard to make the math work. The Jazz already have 15 players on their roster so unless a 3rd team is involved, moving Al will almost certainly require a trade involving one of the Cs big contracts.
The most likely (though still unlikely) trade I can think of if just two teams are involved:
Jazz give: Jefferson + Burks + Mo Williams + 2 2013 unprotected 1st rounders
Cs give: Rondo + (Bass & Green for salary dump purposes to make the $ work)
This trade gives the Jazz the pg they want and takes away $25M of the cap space they were planning to open over the next 3 years. However, Green/Bass could work OK as the 4th/5th bigs on the roster, giving them depth. I think this trade makes the Jazz much better this year and a contender next year.
This trade causes the C's pg to downgrade from a top 5 pg to an average pg. However, Mo Williams is a skilled deep shooter, so he'd be able to spread the floor. It also gives them more flexibility by getting rid Green/Bass, who take cap room, but are mediocre at best. Additionally, it gives the Cs one of the best front courts in the league, which would likely be able to bully any of the teams in the East. Finally, it gives them Alec Burks and two addition first rounders in the upcoming draft to build on. I have no idea if this trade makes the Cs better this year or not and I'm not sure it's a good move for them. As a result, I doubt they'd take it.
Another option would be to include a club well under the cap that happens to like Bass or Green and believes they're worth the contract they have, enabling the Cs to get rid of salary. Still, that type of deal gets complicated and trades have to be within 150% of each team's value.
Can anyone think of a trade to move Jefferson to the Cs for enough value--and without killing the Jazz' cap flexibility--that has any likelihood of going through?
Unless they're getting a superstar, and I mean SUPERSTAR, Celts are not trading Rondo.
It would seems really hard for this trade to happen unless there are multiple teams involved and even then it would be difficult. I think Boston makes a move but on a lower scale. I honestly think Rondo and Bradley are almost untouchable. As well as Pierce and Garnett(duh). I think they make a move for a guy like Samuel Dalembert. He's not playing for the Bucks and is a decent rebounder and shot blocker. Not saying that is likely but a move like that.
As for the Jazz, I think they need to trade at least Milsap or Jefferson. That is if they can get some value for them. Maybe a young piece and a pick.
I had to neg this post due to the fact that the Celtics are not gnna trade rondo unless they get like cp3 in return or sumthing.....if they aren't getting a superstar in a trade for him.... y the f*ck would they trade rondo for?
But don't they almost trade him and Ray Allen last year to Memphis for OJ Mayo and Mike Conley? The fact is that Boston and everyone else besides die hard celtics fans see Rondo as a complementary piece not a franchise player
no, the celtics almost traded just ray allen for just oj mayo.
That's not what I read, bottom line is I'm not hating just stating facts, Rondo is not a franchise player, he's a guy that will quarterback a contender very well, you can't rely on him for buckets or him putting the team on his back; Rajon has been in trade rumors for the last 3 years because Ainge knows he can get a haul for him
"Unless they're getting a superstar, and I mean SUPERSTAR, Celts are not trading Rondo."
"I had to neg this post due to the fact that the Celtics are not gnna trade rondo unless they get like cp3 in return or sumthing.....if they aren't getting a superstar in a trade for him.... y the f*ck would they trade rondo for?"
See Deron Williams trade 2011.
That's like saying see Dwight Howard in 2012. Totally different situation. In Utah, D Will was at blows with the coach and the front office. It was a dire situation. Rondo likes his coach and his front office.
hmm. can't see this trade working, celtics aren't giving up rondo for jefferson.
i'd love to see jefferson end up with san antonio- seems like he'd be a really good fit for their half court style, would spell duncan, allow them to go really big like the Robinson & Duncan years, and would provide some continuity once duncan finally retires. but no way I could make it work on trade machine though...too many Spurs on short term deals. I'd love to see a combo of Splitter, Neal/Mills, and then maybe picks or international players (Richards, Bertans). Stephen Jackson could be included to balance the $$$, and then pull a Jerry Stackhouse, buy out and then rejoin the Spurs.
As a Jazz fan i love the idea. But Rondo is arguably the best pg in the league right now. So no way they make the trade. Sure Big Al would be great for them, and Rondo would be amazing for us. But Rondo is their franchise guy so its never going to happen.
Rondo is not the best point guard in the league, if he was his team wouldn't be 20-20
I was not suggesting that the trade I threw out there was a likely one. In fact, I said it was unlikely and that the Cs would not take it. The point of my post was not to have a bunch of trade machine monkeys evaluate the likelihood of that trade--it was to elicit some ideas from others of any halfway decent ideas to move Al to Boston in exchange for reasonable value.
Go play around with this idea on the trade machine--you will see it's actually a substantial challenge to find a workable trade that will send Al to Boston while returning anything of value to Utah. That's why I made the post. I've heard several people express that an Al to Boston trade is a great idea, so I was trying to pull some collective thinking together to see if there is a way to make this idea work.
Utah will be looking at deals for Jefferson I feel as they are likely to want to try and keep Millsap as he is slightly younger, his extension would be cheaper and he is a hugely popular guy with the franchise and fans. Jefferson is a skilled big but has been traded a few times and never really been on a winning team. I wonder if someone like Dallas might put an offer in for him involving picks and expiring deals but I think Utah really want to get an SF or PG unless they could get a very likely high pick in this year's draft via a trade.
The Celtics would have to involve a 3rd team to take Sullinger and or Melo to get Big Al..
Like off the top of my head I kno te Hornets liked the idea of pairing Davis with another young big, so maybe a deal involving Sullinger to the Hornets, Vazquez to the Jazz and Al to Boston. The Hornets give up a arguably their best player this year but theyre committed to Rivers and Gordon and could build with them Davis and Sullinger and the Jjazz get a PG who fits them perfectly.
Al Jefferson to Boston, Pierce returns home to the Clippers, Bledsoe, Butler and Odom to Utah.
Celtics gets a big to pair with KG
Clippers get another player that can create on his own. Other than CP, only Crawford can do so. And if Boston trades him, show him some love by going home and to a contender.
Utah gets their potential pg of the future, who I think is over rated, but that's a different topic. gets a solid veteran SF in Butler, possibly another vet in Odom. He has an expiring deal, so if he startscrying again they can just tell him to stay at home.
well dude, it's all very well saying 'let's find a way of getting jefferson to the celtics', but the fact of the matter is that Boston don't have that many tradeable assets right now. Come on, who on that roster (with their current contracts) has any trade value at all? Bradley definately. Lee, Sully. Pierce- only to a contender with pieces to spare. Bass at a stretch.
And the thing is, if I'm the Jazz GM, I want multiple assets for Jefferson- Bradley, Sully, and a player from a third team by dealing Lee. Possibly even a pick. And I just don't understand why the C's would want to give up all their assets for a few more years as a #4-#5 seed. The other options is to trade Pierce as in KHAM83's trade (which is actually quite nice), but that doesn't make the Celtics much better. And trading Paul Pierce would automatically make every neutral fan hate them.
If you want Jefferson that bad, think you have to pray he doesn't get moved/doesn't like the team he gets traded to, and see if you can pick him up in free agency.