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  • #44819
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    Leonard Washington
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    Should be a fun game to watch with a bunch of athletes. Who ya got winning? Me personally I have UNC pulling off the upset.

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  • #730332
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    Lebron’s Hairline
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    Me too. I have a feeling James is going to have a hugge game rebound wise

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  • #730333
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    Leonard Washington
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    Roy needs to get Desmond Hubert the F off the floor!

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  • #730336
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    The8thDeadlySin
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    Its ugly right now…

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  • #730338
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    Chilbert arenas
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    Zeller is as fast as 7 footer as I can remember

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  • #730339
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    The8thDeadlySin
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    Since Tyler? LoL

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  • #730340
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    Leonard Washington
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    Tyler Zeller was pretty damn fast too

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  • #730342
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    Leonard Washington
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    Everybody from UNC looks lost right now, but are somehow staying in the game. And I can’t decide if McCadoo is playing scared or nervous right now. He’s fumbling the ball around and 2nd guessing hisself alot tonight, kind of like he did at the beggining of his Freshman year. Hopefully he will snap out of it and start playing like the beast he is.

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  • #730344
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    @ IU… feed Zeller already, god damn

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  • #730345
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    The8thDeadlySin
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    IDK if he is a beast like everyone thinks.. I mean, he has shown flashes, but has never been consistant.. What is he good at?? He doesnt, or hasnt so far, box out well, doenst have a jumper, and really isnt much more than an athlete..

    I have been more impressed with the 6’10 center and the freshman they bring off the bench..

    Keep in mind that I havent seen MaCadoo much…

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  • #730346
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    Malik-Universal
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    am i the only one that thinks u dont take cody zeller with the first pick

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    • #730348
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      Hale
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      I’m pretty sure no one on this site think he deserves to go #1, some have already dropped him out of their top 5.

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      • #730382
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        MUbballfan
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        Problem with Zeller is that he doesnt have a suerstar ceiling imo. I will still keep him in my top 5 because a team should take him high not because of potential (such as guys like Shabazz and Noel) but because he already has a great NBA-ready skill set.

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    • #730351
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      The8thDeadlySin
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      Umm… IMO, it depends on the team.. The Wizards should take him with the nubmer 1.. If you are looking for a great player, then yes take him.. If you are trying to hit a home run, the look else where.. He isnt going to be the best player in the NBA.. He is Lamarcus Aldridge, not Blake Griffin.. And im not talking about thier play style.. Griffin could end up being the best PF in the NBA and Aldridge will not ever be that.. However, both guys change the direction of your program.. He will be solid and he will be very very good but not the best player on your team unless you are having a down year..

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  • #730349
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    Wavy Bagels
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    James McCadoo has a solid post game and hit a few swishes in the paint area. He’s slow getting up and down the court, though.

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  • #730347
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    Leonard Washington
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    JMM is a pretty good rebounder for his size and has definitely expanded his mid-range game so far this year.

    If he plays consistantly with the type of motor that Hansboro did I could see him easily averaging 20 and 10, but sometimes I see him take plays off on both sides of the ball and not hustle which makes me question if he has the heart to be a sure fire top 5 pick like many people have him pegged to be.

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    • #730362
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      The8thDeadlySin
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      Wow.. You’re asking alot of him.. Who plays with Hansborough’s motor?? That is super rare.. Imagine what Anthony Randolph would be if he had that type of drive…

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  • #730352
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    JNixon
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    James McAdoo doesnt impress me much

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  • #730353
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    JNixon
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    Victor Oladipo is a VERY underrated player and a remarkable athlete and energizer

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    • #730360
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      Leonard Washington
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      I like Oladipo too, he can jump out the gym and plays great D. He could eventually be a solid role player in the league as a defensive stopper and energy player off the bench

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  • #730354
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    Malik-Universal
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    honestly.. at the end of the day.. the number pick will come down to len, shabazz and noel….yes i said ALEX LEN

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  • #730355
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    Hale
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    This Hulls guy can really pass.

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  • #730356
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    JNixon
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    I like that Fr. who’s name is Yogi….he is a playmaker with great speed

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    • #730364
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      IndianaBasketball
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      Little Yogi is super nice lol. He went to school here in Indianapolis. Tough player. He’s always reminded me of Jason Gardner.

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  • #730357
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    JNixon
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    Zeller had a GREAT 1st half on offense, body control is GREAT for his size

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  • #730361
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    Malik-Universal
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    marcus paige has nice composure
    hes nicole richie thin doe

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  • #730365
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    The8thDeadlySin
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    Indiana plays great basketball.. They run when they can and they go the half-court sets when they cant.. For a basketball purist, it is very fun to watch..

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  • #730368
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    Malik-Universal
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    is it me or is it everytime u give roy williams a young team.. they cant seem to pull it all together? i know there on the road but damn dude… carolina still has good players…..

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    • #730371
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      Leonard Washington
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      I agree, i really haven’t seen the run any set plays out there. Bullock and McDonald are like ghosts out there, just not even looking for there shots.

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  • #730366
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    Lebron’s Hairline
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    Mcadoo is really pissing me off missing all of these chip shots

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  • #730367
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    Leonard Washington
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    $hit is hitting the fan now…

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  • #730369
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    JNixon
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    UNC just doesn’t have enough leadership

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  • #730370
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    The8thDeadlySin
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    I may get killed for this but IMO, Williams and Coach K are both average to below average skill developers… They both seem to be able to convice player to stay 2 or 3 years, which has always helped their careers but IMO, guys dont get a whole lot better under their watch..

    There are always exceptions that Im sure people will throw in my face, but thats my opinion..

    Both are great coaches however, not taking that away from them.. They win the chess match of the game most nights..

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    • #730373
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      Siggy
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      Coach K is a much better skills and X’s and O’s coach.
      Roy gets his players to play athletically and fast, but he was never that good of a teacher.
      As for guys staying 3-4 years, those are usually the kind of guys that Coach K recruits. He makes players earn their keep as well instead of guaranteeing them roles and minutes like some other coaches do.

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      • #730387
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        The8thDeadlySin
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        Coack K is the superior X and O coach but you cant say that Williams is a bad teacher. He runs a solid system that puts his players in good spots.. Maybe not this game but i in years past, he has alwasy put players in spots to succeed, to an extent.. They will succeed to the limits of the system.. I think he holds his players back a bit but he is a good coach..

        Also, Coach K does recruit players that are going to stay a while but even when they have immediate success, he convinces them to stay. The younger Plumlee could have left, but he stayed. Redick coud have left, but he stayed. Singler could have left, but he stayed. And those arent the only players.. Just a few I could think of..

        BTW, Im not trying to start a arguement. When a single person stands against Duke or UNC, they get destroyed by the mob of fans…

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        • #730389
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          Siggy
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          I really don’t think he’s a good teacher. His system is a lot like Calipari’s: acquire top shelf talent and try to run teams out of the gym by “out-talenting” and “out-athleticisizing” the opposition. Slow it down in the halfcourt or score enough for them to take the ball out of the basket and they’ll likely struggle.

          I also disagree that he holds his team back. He gives them freedom and let’s them go, just as long as they play hard and fast.

          BTW, I’m not a fan of either team. I’m a Big 10 guy.

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          • #730498
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            surve
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            I agree with you, he definitely lets his players go. also, Calipari is a better coach I think for the simple fact on how he stresses defense. (and I dont think Calipari is one of the very best coaches….he is good though) UNC plays really bad defense a lot of times. this is why they get beat by good margins.

            back on the topic of letting his players go….yeah, I know he is not Dean, but Dean would rarely let a freshman start. He humbled his recruits. Everyone thought JR Reid was going to start immediately…nope. Kenny Anderson wanted free reign of the team and Dean said “we know a little about basketball too you know”. Point being, Larry Drew’s parents had already forewarned Roy they would leave the team if he sat him on the bench. This is the reason why Roy struggled by keeping him in the lineup so long. I dont have a problem with Paige starting, but he needs to learn the game and focus more on setting up the shooters instead of forcing up shots like he is doing. Being a disciplinarian has never been one of Roy’s strong points.

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        • #730401
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          akhan786
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          Singler, Redick, and Plumlee (before this year) weren’t in the same stratosphere of the prospects that Roy has made stay multiple years.

          Ever since the one and done era 60% of the Top 5 players that stayed an extra year were Carolina players. To make it even worse in the last decade 5 out of 7 of the Top 5 players that stayed till their junior years were Carolina players.

          Kyle Singler was the only top 10 player that stayed till an upperclassman for Duke and you wouldn’t blame him. A slow white small forward who’s not particularly athletic isn’t really going to be turning many NBA heads.

          The real one and dones that Coach K has gotten in the past couple years have actually gone one and done. I have no idea why you are comparing Duke and UNC in this aspect.

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          • #730414
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            BKGingerSnap
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            By rivals ranking, Kyle Singler #5 in the country and Mason Plumlee was a Mcdonald’s All-American and even in the dunk contest. JJ Redick was a bigtime recruit as well. Seriously though who’s the best 4 year tar heel recruit under Roy Williams

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            • #730419
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              The8thDeadlySin
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              This ^^^^

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            • #730423
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              Siggy
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              HS rankings does not = ranking as NBA prospects

              Probably Tyler Hansbrough.

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              • #730499
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                surve
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                this is true.

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            • #730425
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              akhan786
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              Lol I pointed out Kyle Singler as well if you read my post…meanwhile Carolina has 7 of the 12 players in the Top 5 from the last ten years that stayed for more than one year.

              There is a BIG difference between a McDonald’s All American and a legit NBA prospect. I’m surprised you can’t differentiate between the two.

              JJ Redick was ranked 11th and was a 6’4 170 pound white kid who could only shoot the three. Really man?

              Mason Plumlee was ranked 18th. Just because he was in the dunk contest that makes him a lock to go one and done?

              Duke just doesn’t get many legit NBA recruits. We don’t get the Nerlens Noels we get the Amile Jeffersons. They’re both McDonald’s All Americans but in your head you think Amile should be one and done as well?

              In the last ten years I’d say Duke has gotten maybe 4 off the top of my head that were ranked in the Top 5 and only two looked like legit NBA players. And guess what…they went one and done.

              Meanwhile Carolina raked in close to 10 Top 5 recruits in that same time frame. Yet those Top 5 recruits keep on staying and recruits are beginning to take notice trust me.

              As a side note…in Coach K’s tenure I’d say he has maybe gotten 4 recruits that everyone knew were going to kill it in the league while they were in high school. Grant Hill, Elton Brand, Jay Williams, and Kyrie Irving. Three out of four of those went on to win their ROY.

              Most big time NBA prospects just don’t want to come to Duke, why would they? If they are pretty much guaranteed a lucrative NBA contract in one year why go to one of the most academically rigorous institutions in the world? And actually be forced to go to class. I wouldn’t lol.

              Coach K has thrived on getting those players that are on the fringe of being big time NBA prospects but need 3-4 years to show their potential.

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              • #730428
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                The8thDeadlySin
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                Like I said, I dont like to argue wth Duke or UNC fans because of a few reasons:

                1. There are soo many of you all that even if I am right about something, your stregnth in numbers will prove me wrong..

                2. Im a WVU fan and that is the only team that I follow with a bit of obsession.. Therefore, I dont know much about the 2 schools in depth details. If you will notice, I simply agreed with someone who seemed to know what was up..

                3. You guys take opinions to heart.. You know that your hated because of your success so anytime someone has an opinion that is less than flattering, you shout “Hater.”

                Not saying you did any of this.. Just giving reasons why I dont argue.. I can already see that your getting a little defensive.

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                • #730546
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                  akhan786
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                  I can definitely understand where you are coming from. Duke and UNC fans are generally rabidly passionate about their programs so anything bad said about them will take a little heat.

                  I like to think of myself as having an objective opinion but even then I notice I sometimes show my royal-blue tinted glasses. My apologies.

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  • #730372
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    The8thDeadlySin
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    LoL..

    Anyone wanna guard Hulls?? Kid is 5’10 and shoots off his shoudler yet he is killing UNC.. Granted he is a great shooter and is playing off his teammates. Ugly shot but he is extreemly confident and does not heistate.. You can tell he has put alot of hours into that shot.

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  • #730378
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    akhan786
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    You can’t convince me that Roy Williams is anything more than a mediocre in game coach. He hasn’t made any adjustments and is using his timeouts horribly.

    The only thing this guy can do is recruit and that department is lacking in this class and next year’s class. I hope people understand that he can’t have a great team without 3 Top 10 recruits on his team. Go and look at the rosters of all his final four teams.

    When he doesn’t have significantly more talent than everyone else things like his 2010 NIT team happens. I don’t think they go to the NIT this year because Marcus Paige is light years better than Larry Turnover Drew but I don’t see them being very highly ranked at all this year.

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    • #730447
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      surve
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      Roy is not even mediocre. I knew Butler would give them problems and I knew they stood no chance against Indiana. I have said it here before. It should be evident that Roy is overrated. What should be coming clear to people now is, that he is borderline senile. This is frustrating as a life-long UNC fan.

      Not to take anything away from Indiana, good team, but I never thought for one minute they would beat IU, especially after seeing them struggle against LBSU. Once they lost to Butler that was it.

      He has bad lineups. (Dexter Strickland should not be at the 2, and he never wants to play two good shooting wings at the same time. Rarely played Barnes and Bullock together until forced to due to injury)

      He has no defense.

      Probably the worst thing about him though is, he has no half court offense what to speak of. No movement, no plays, its rare to even see any screens. Reggie Bullock’s career is going down the the drain. PJ’s is right behind him.

      A good recruiter? Anyone can get players to come to UNC and like you said he is lacking in that department this year.

      People are blinded by the 2 national titles. What has Roy ever done without having at least 4 or 5 NBA players on his squads?

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      • #730487
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        bjcart53
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        @surve I can talk basketball with you. Nobody else listens when I say they are blinded by the 2 national titles. What can roy do without an NBA team…absolutely nothing.

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  • #730379
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    JNixon
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    Barea is quick tho…Hulls got alot of limitations even tho he is a knockdown shooter

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  • #730376
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    LazarusMunoz
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    Just an curious question I gotta ask… If a guy like JJ Barea can have sucess in The NBA,what does everyone think of Hull’s having a shot to make a team?

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    • #730422
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      313LOUD
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      Jordan is going to play in the league…..he can ball, high IQ and he is tough. And of course is a shooter.

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  • #730395
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    raybeas
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    Has there ever been a C who runs the floor better than Zeller? Any 4 that wasn’t a stretch 4? That dude can RUN!
    If Hulls had +5 on his quicknesss rating he’d be NBA material. End to end he’s ok, but laterally he’s too slow.
    Watford fell to the second round (if he’s lucky).
    Oladipo may make an NBA team with his D and (improved) handle and rebounding from the 2 spot.
    Sheehey sneaking into the first round?

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  • #730412
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    bjcart53
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    @akhan786 i don’t think roy is even a mediocre coach. First and foremost coach k would have given pj free reign by now because he is obviously the best player on the team despite what numbers say. Reggie bullock is not very good and neither is macadoo. Coach k would have lost at IU with this team but it would have been 88-82ish and competitive. He would have stomped butler because brice would have started or joel and they would have actually had a game plan. Roy has to be the most overrated coach.

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    • #730448
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      surve
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      I just said that…lol. I have been saying it for years but everyone thinks I am crazy. I wish Roy would leave. If you have any talent whatsoever its not hard to put together a game plan to beat UNC. This guy absolutely cannot coach. Only run and gun and beat teams who have less talent. I am UNC for life, but there is NO comparison between Coach K and Roy. Different planets.

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      • #730462
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        Spacegrass
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        And replace Roy with who? Exactly you have no better choices. We get it you strongly dislike Roy but that should not keep you from making an objective point which it’s obvious you are unable to do.

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        • #730495
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          surve
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          replace him with someone who knows how to coach when they dont have off the wall talent. UNC is going to be in bad shape with the new schools joining the ACC. its not going to be pretty unless we get some top 10 players every year. and that is unlikely with how Barnes stock dropped each year and now with current players stock dropping. you are telling me that right now Duke has more talent than UNC???

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  • #730438
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    YurpleHazE
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    Hull has pretty good quickness, he’s not cat like but the most most impressive thing about him that he’s constantly under control……Shout if John Lucas III could make it i dont see why this cat can’t make it in the league..that is if he gets a far shot..and he’s better from what i saw from JL at the same stage….

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  • #730442
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    BigChamp12
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    I dont think Roy Williams is a bad coach at all. I think he’s brilliant, just because this team isnt performing well doesnt mean that he is an overrated coach. Honestly, I just think that these two teams are worlds apart. Indiana is a superior team this year from top to bottom skill wise, size, strength, skills, leadership and intangibles.
    On the other hand, this North Carolina squad, isnt the UNC that we are all used to. No one on this team has an elite skill set that everybody knows will be effective on the next level. Maybe PJ Hairston’s shooting, but thats it. James McAdoo is their best player and he has no skill set. He hits jumpers sometimes but lets be fair, he’s not that good of a shooter. It’s just that he has the green light and has been put up on a pedestal from what he did in high school and because of what he MAY develop into. But he is not a lottery pick right now. He’s 6’9-6’10 with a great physique and a motor. Lacking post moves and a jumper, He usually scores from putting his head down and bullying his way to the goal and jumping higher than his opponents. In my opinion if he’s your best player, then you are not the typical North Carolina Tar Heel team. Their a decent team, but dont have the star power to be near the top of college basketball this year.

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    • #730449
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      surve
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      name one thing that Roy does thats brilliant. people are saying this team is not that great. this team has a lot of talent. they have a good PG in Paige, but if he were playing for Dean, he would have the clamps on him, he is shooting entirely too much….and not good shots. this team has real talent.

      PJ Hairston is a scoring machine. Reggie Bullock was described as a bigger better version of Wayne Ellington…..Roy doesnt even have any plays for this dude. The ball should be going to the inside much more to McAdoo. They have size and athleticism with James, Johnson, and Hubert. Tokoto can be a really good player, but not under Roy he wont.

      How does Strickland shoot more perimeter shots than Bullock???

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      • #730463
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        Spacegrass
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        Your problem is you are incapable of giving another team credit for taking a team out of the game and playing well. Also PJ Hairston is hurt and not playing in this game so what does he have to do with this game? Nothing! Strickland shoots more perimeter shots because he is able to get separation with the dribble which is something Bullock has not shown the ability to do in college. Bullock is a good passer , defender , and spot up shooter but off the dribble game is non existent. Also Bullock a bigger Ellington? Bigger yes but as I stated before Bullock has no game off the dribble and Ellington at least had that 2-3 dribble mid range pull up and could get separation. You look at many of these players like you are reading their HS scouting reports. It’s not HS anymore it’s college so the holes in guys games that were covered up in HS are exposed in college.

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        • #730492
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          surve
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          whatever man, you dont know what the hell you are talking about. Strickland is the worst shooter on the team and should not be taking more shots than Bullock. Bullock is a shooter but he barely gets 6 shots a game sometimes…how is that? Roy has no discipline. He plays 2 pg’s at the same time, that doesnt give either one of them the opportunity to analyze the floor from the bench. Ellington did not have any dribble game until he was a junior….Bullock has been forced to play behind Barnes instead of beside him.

          You simply dont know UNC basketball. This is not some HS scouting report. Why is Strickland shooting so many perimeter shots? Why is Paige for that matter that arent in the flow of the offense? Why has he always refused to play two good shooting wings at once? Always did this. This is why Barnes struggled so bad because he didnt have a guy like Bullock on the other side a lot of times so teams keyed in on him. Where are the plays for Bullock? Where are the plays for anyone for that matter? McAdoo, Bullock, Hairston, McDonald should be getting the bulk of the shots. Johnson, James, and Hubert arent pootbutts either. He should be preparing Tokoto for ballhandling duties because if Paige or Strickland get hurt…they will be in bad shape. Worse than last year.

          They dont have a half court game. Didnt have one last year either. The difference is….there is no Zeller/Henson to gobble up all the rebounds for extra possessions. If you look at UNC, it looks like they are playing streetball. Cant bust a zone…..and admittedly Roy doesnt know when they are being zoned against. True story.

          I guess I am supposed to give FSU all the credit in the world for that 33 point drubbing as well? Great coaches dont get blown off the atlas. Dont sit here and talk to me about my team and act as if I dont have any objectivity.

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          • #730513
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            Spacegrass
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            I am a UNC fan and I am looking at things rationally and not emotionally. Yes these guys have talent but none of these guys have been relied upon to be in primary roles which is what they are in now. Maybe if you calm down and look at the team through non bias eyes you would see these things. You lose all credibility with your opinion because you go off the deep end off of a single game instead a whole body of work. Last time I checked you have not coached in any finals fours , won any NCAA titles , nor put any players in the NBA. I agree Roy has the ability to be too stubborn but you are freaking out like an over emotional female about this.

            This UNC team is top 15-25 team at best! Also you only bring up instances when Roys teams have had problems or have not worked out perfectly. Why don’t you bring up the 2005-2006 team which Roy got by with largely on a backcourt rotation with Wes Miller and Bobby Frasor as a freshmen and they tied for the ACC lead and beat a top 5 Dook team on Sr night in Cameron. You can’t criticize Roy for a team that has no past precedent of being good like with this group of players. If this group is healthy in February they will be a good team just not a great team. Personally since you are such a flake UNC fan who thinks Roy sucks and is ovverated why don’t you do yourself a favor a denounce UNC and go pull for Dook and engage fully on your polish man crush that is Coach K.

            You can disagree with Roy’s philosphies which you obviously do but to act like you know better how to run a big time NCAA mens basketball program is laughable.

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            • #730550
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              BigChamp12
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              You said it better than I could!

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  • #730531
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    Malik-Universal
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    who would u guys rank as the top 5 coaches in college?

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  • #730549
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    akhan786
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    Who do you think should replace him? I’ve heard rumblings of Sean Miller. I’m not familiar on how good of a coach he is but I know he is a great recruiter as well.

    I also know that Miller probably doesn’t put his foot in his mouth as much as Ol’Roy does either.

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  • #730551
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    JNixon
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    Izzo, Brad Stevens, Crean, Coach K and Bob Huggins IMO are the 5 best pure coaches in the country

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  • #730558
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    Siggy
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    As far as teaching ability, x’s and o’s and in game coaching you can look at the current top 5. It’s littered with the best coached teams in the nation.
    Pitino, Matta, Beilein, Coach K, and Crean are all some of the best pure coaches in basketball. I would also add Bill Self and Mark Few as hon mentions who are in the mix. Izzo gets love as a guy who gets his teams to consistently overachieve, but I was never impressed with his ability to coach offense.

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  • #730570
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    Malik-Universal
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    my five would be (in no order)
    -izzo
    -brad stevens
    -coach k
    -bill self
    -crean (comes from the izzo bloodline)

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  • #730574
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    JNixon
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    Bill Self is a great coach…I forgot him cause I hate Ku lol

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