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- Posted on: Mon, 07/18/2011 - 6:01pm #31932
steviechillzParticipantKendall Marshall- I guess this guy isn’t considered a "underrated" PG to some, but IMO people don’t give this guy enough love. Last year he lead his UNC team to an unexpected turn around in the season. He gave Harrison Barnes more freedom on offense and set his teammates up like a good PG should. I’d take this guy on my team any day
Peyton Siva- Little guy who can score in bunches. We also saw last year that he can be a clutch player as well with his circus lay-up against West Virginia. This guy reminds me of a more control Nate Robinson with less athleticism
Ray Mcallum- Chose to play @ Detriot so many people haven’t seen this kid play, but he is a beast. Watch out for this guy to possibly play his way into the late-lottery this year
Aaron Craft- Super under-control last year for being a freshman PG who wasn’t suppose to play all that well. Excellent at making the right pass and plays hard all the time. This guy could lose his starting job to Shannon Scott bc of Scott’s athleticism and NBA potential.
Maalik Wayns- The better version of Kyle Lowry? Or another PG with no jumpshot? We will see this year when he leads Villanova team desperate for offense
Juan Fernandez- watch for him to have a breakout year. I’m sure some of you only know this name bc of his clutch shots last year during March Madness
Lorenzo Brown- With Ryan Harrow gone, he becomes the only playmaker for NC State. I think he could have a 16ppg 5apg 3rpg type season
Dj Cooper- Ajunior who can fill up that stat sheet. This guy is fun to watch
Tony Wroten- I know this guy hasn’t played yet, but some think he is too flashy and should not play PG at all in college. Trust me people, this guy is a PG. And yes, he does have a swag to his game, but i think thats a good thing. This guy had 10 assists and 16pts in 10 minutes in the Jordan Classic game. I don’t care if it’s not a "real" game, that’s impressive. He will learn that college bball isn’t the playground and will play more under control. This guy has one-and-done written all over him and washington is getting a big time player.
Keith Appling-Gonna fill Kalin Lucas’s shoes next year at State. He reminds me of Kyrie Irving, so don’t be surprised if he has a great season.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/18/2011 - 6:06pm #574035
llperezi think abdul gaddy of washingotn is very underrated and should come on much stronger next year if he is healthy again. Wroten will play more sg, but get minutes at both when gaddy is on the bench.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/18/2011 - 6:06pm #573863
llperezi think abdul gaddy of washingotn is very underrated and should come on much stronger next year if he is healthy again. Wroten will play more sg, but get minutes at both when gaddy is on the bench.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/18/2011 - 6:06pm #574037
iguapops420ParticipantNot too big on Craft. Most certainly can’t wait to watch the new Shanwow come in and take his spot. Shannon Scott is my favorite highschool pg with his vision,unselfnishness, and creativity.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/18/2011 - 6:06pm #573866
iguapops420ParticipantNot too big on Craft. Most certainly can’t wait to watch the new Shanwow come in and take his spot. Shannon Scott is my favorite highschool pg with his vision,unselfnishness, and creativity.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/18/2011 - 6:18pm #574043
JNixonParticipantLook out for:
Reggie Moore at Washington State. Athletic 6’1 guard with quickness. Played with a broken hand/wrist las year, but should be healthy in the fall.
Dundrecous Nelson at Ole Miss. Another athletic guard. He’s rough around the edges and more of a scorer than a PG, but he should blossom by the SEC slate. He’s talented.
Terrell Stoglin at Maryland talented player. He can score in bunches or set up guys. His potential is intriguing.
Flip Pressley at Mizzou is also a big talent. He’s small at 5’10 160, but he has a sweet shooting stroke and he has the quickness to drive and dish or get into the paint. He’s a clever passer and good at using floaters in the lane. His quick hands make him a pest on D as a ball thief too.
Eric Akins at Notre Dame will emerge with Ben Hansbrough gone. He’s similar to Jordan Taylor. He will have to work on finishing around the rim consistently and work on his jumper, but he’s strong and quick and will play aggressive when on the floor. Look out for him
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/18/2011 - 6:18pm #573871
JNixonParticipantLook out for:
Reggie Moore at Washington State. Athletic 6’1 guard with quickness. Played with a broken hand/wrist las year, but should be healthy in the fall.
Dundrecous Nelson at Ole Miss. Another athletic guard. He’s rough around the edges and more of a scorer than a PG, but he should blossom by the SEC slate. He’s talented.
Terrell Stoglin at Maryland talented player. He can score in bunches or set up guys. His potential is intriguing.
Flip Pressley at Mizzou is also a big talent. He’s small at 5’10 160, but he has a sweet shooting stroke and he has the quickness to drive and dish or get into the paint. He’s a clever passer and good at using floaters in the lane. His quick hands make him a pest on D as a ball thief too.
Eric Akins at Notre Dame will emerge with Ben Hansbrough gone. He’s similar to Jordan Taylor. He will have to work on finishing around the rim consistently and work on his jumper, but he’s strong and quick and will play aggressive when on the floor. Look out for him
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/18/2011 - 6:27pm #574049
rileymcshea3ParticipantI can see how you can compare Peyton Siva to Nate Robinson due to there height and athleticsm but besides that they have totally different games.Nate Robinson is more of athlete trying to shoot 3s because hes to short to do anything else .While Siva is more of a Tony Parker driver that can jump over people before they jump Siva can and he can hit the open 3 if you give him to much space ,Siva can actually run his team like a point and Nate is just looking to score and make flashy passes
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/18/2011 - 6:27pm #573878
rileymcshea3ParticipantI can see how you can compare Peyton Siva to Nate Robinson due to there height and athleticsm but besides that they have totally different games.Nate Robinson is more of athlete trying to shoot 3s because hes to short to do anything else .While Siva is more of a Tony Parker driver that can jump over people before they jump Siva can and he can hit the open 3 if you give him to much space ,Siva can actually run his team like a point and Nate is just looking to score and make flashy passes
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/18/2011 - 6:29pm #574051
scoutguruParticipantWhen I seen this last year, I made it a priority to watch this kid. Had a solid year as a frosh and should get better as he gets more experience running the show as a point guard.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/18/2011 - 6:29pm #573880
scoutguruParticipantWhen I seen this last year, I made it a priority to watch this kid. Had a solid year as a frosh and should get better as he gets more experience running the show as a point guard.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/18/2011 - 6:33pm #574053
larbear260Participanti would almost say wayns is overrated….but definitly McCallum, at Detroit i think he could do something along the lines of what Steph Curry did at Davidson
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/18/2011 - 6:33pm #573882
larbear260Participanti would almost say wayns is overrated….but definitly McCallum, at Detroit i think he could do something along the lines of what Steph Curry did at Davidson
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/18/2011 - 6:45pm #574065
ilike.panochasParticipantIm a huge fan of Shabazz Napier..He is under the radar, understandably so playing behind Kemba Walker. But last season, he established himself as a lockdown defender at the PG being only a freshman, I expect big improvement and he and Lamb could possibly be the best defensive back court next season.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/18/2011 - 6:45pm #573894
ilike.panochasParticipantIm a huge fan of Shabazz Napier..He is under the radar, understandably so playing behind Kemba Walker. But last season, he established himself as a lockdown defender at the PG being only a freshman, I expect big improvement and he and Lamb could possibly be the best defensive back court next season.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/18/2011 - 6:46pm #574067
JNixonParticipantLol every time someone says anything about Pressey that exact same video is uploaded
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/18/2011 - 6:46pm #573896
JNixonParticipantLol every time someone says anything about Pressey that exact same video is uploaded
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/18/2011 - 6:48pm #574063
scoutguruParticipant - Posted on: Mon, 07/18/2011 - 6:48pm #573892
scoutguruParticipant - Posted on: Mon, 07/18/2011 - 6:54pm #574078
iguapops420ParticipantDamn. Little guys got ups.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/18/2011 - 6:54pm #573906
iguapops420ParticipantDamn. Little guys got ups.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/18/2011 - 7:30pm #574096
NJHooper95ParticipantTyshawn Taylor and Elijah Johnson
Tyshawn is a steady guard with decent athleticism and should be the leader for the JayHawks
Elijah Johnson has more pro potential because of his body and elite level athleticism. I think both of these guys will have big season in the Kansas backcourt this year.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/18/2011 - 7:30pm #573923
NJHooper95ParticipantTyshawn Taylor and Elijah Johnson
Tyshawn is a steady guard with decent athleticism and should be the leader for the JayHawks
Elijah Johnson has more pro potential because of his body and elite level athleticism. I think both of these guys will have big season in the Kansas backcourt this year.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/18/2011 - 7:31pm #574098
JNixonParticipantElijah Johnson is combo guard version of Rodney Williams. Physically gifted and a super athlete, but not a great basketball player.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/18/2011 - 7:31pm #573926
JNixonParticipantElijah Johnson is combo guard version of Rodney Williams. Physically gifted and a super athlete, but not a great basketball player.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/18/2011 - 7:34pm #574102
JNixonParticipant"I can see how you can compare Peyton Siva to Nate Robinson due to there height and athleticsm but besides that they have totally different games.Nate Robinson is more of athlete trying to shoot 3s because hes to short to do anything else .While Siva is more of a Tony Parker driver that can jump over people before they jump Siva can and he can hit the open 3 if you give him to much space ,Siva can actually run his team like a point and Nate is just looking to score and make flashy passes"
People may disagree with this, but Peyton Siva reminds me of Sebastian Telfair. He’s small as a guard, who looks good driving the lane and makes flashy plays as a scorer and playmaker. Siva plays a gambling style of D, and I don’t see him as a pure PG at the next level. Siva probably has a better, more natural jump shot than Telfair though.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/18/2011 - 7:34pm #573930
JNixonParticipant"I can see how you can compare Peyton Siva to Nate Robinson due to there height and athleticsm but besides that they have totally different games.Nate Robinson is more of athlete trying to shoot 3s because hes to short to do anything else .While Siva is more of a Tony Parker driver that can jump over people before they jump Siva can and he can hit the open 3 if you give him to much space ,Siva can actually run his team like a point and Nate is just looking to score and make flashy passes"
People may disagree with this, but Peyton Siva reminds me of Sebastian Telfair. He’s small as a guard, who looks good driving the lane and makes flashy plays as a scorer and playmaker. Siva plays a gambling style of D, and I don’t see him as a pure PG at the next level. Siva probably has a better, more natural jump shot than Telfair though.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/18/2011 - 7:38pm #574106
NJHooper95ParticipantTrevor Releford. Folks, this guy is a player. Quick, great handle, fearless, and can finsih in the lane. This guy will be the engine that drives a very dangerous and athletic Alabama team.This guy and this team are big-time sleepers. There is alot of talent their.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/18/2011 - 7:38pm #573934
NJHooper95ParticipantTrevor Releford. Folks, this guy is a player. Quick, great handle, fearless, and can finsih in the lane. This guy will be the engine that drives a very dangerous and athletic Alabama team.This guy and this team are big-time sleepers. There is alot of talent their.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/18/2011 - 7:39pm #574108
204ballerParticipantMyck Kabongo will suprise people, he has good height for a point guard, ultra quick and can hit the 3 as well.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/18/2011 - 7:39pm #573936
204ballerParticipantMyck Kabongo will suprise people, he has good height for a point guard, ultra quick and can hit the 3 as well.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/18/2011 - 7:40pm #574110
NJHooper95ParticipantI think Elijah will have a solid season in Lawrence. Rodney Williams is a disappointment. Tremendous athlete but hasnt shown much else. Elijah was in a crowded backcourt last season. This will be a season to determine what he is all about.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/18/2011 - 7:40pm #573938
NJHooper95ParticipantI think Elijah will have a solid season in Lawrence. Rodney Williams is a disappointment. Tremendous athlete but hasnt shown much else. Elijah was in a crowded backcourt last season. This will be a season to determine what he is all about.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/18/2011 - 7:46pm #574114
JNixonParticipantKansas’ PG spot wasn’t all that crowded at all last year, and he still didn’t play. I see an athlete without any great basketball skills. He’s also not a real PG.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/18/2011 - 7:46pm #573941
JNixonParticipantKansas’ PG spot wasn’t all that crowded at all last year, and he still didn’t play. I see an athlete without any great basketball skills. He’s also not a real PG.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/18/2011 - 7:47pm #574112
NJHooper95ParticipantI watch Telfair since he was in eight grade. He was more hype than anything. There was nothing special about him. He was really quick so were alot guards. think Peyton is a better player. More athletic by far and better shooter. I do agree he has a alot of streetball in him, but better player than Telfair. I also agree he is not a pure point guard, but in today’s game most of the best pgs are scoring points. I.E. Rose, Westbook, Parker, Jennings, Curry, Devin Harris, etc. Very Few Paul’s, Kidd’s, William’s, Rondo’s and Nash’s in the world.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/18/2011 - 7:47pm #573939
NJHooper95ParticipantI watch Telfair since he was in eight grade. He was more hype than anything. There was nothing special about him. He was really quick so were alot guards. think Peyton is a better player. More athletic by far and better shooter. I do agree he has a alot of streetball in him, but better player than Telfair. I also agree he is not a pure point guard, but in today’s game most of the best pgs are scoring points. I.E. Rose, Westbook, Parker, Jennings, Curry, Devin Harris, etc. Very Few Paul’s, Kidd’s, William’s, Rondo’s and Nash’s in the world.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/18/2011 - 7:54pm #574118
JNixonParticipantMorningstar, Reed, and Selby all played almost exclusively at SG or off-guard.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/18/2011 - 7:54pm #573945
JNixonParticipantMorningstar, Reed, and Selby all played almost exclusively at SG or off-guard.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/18/2011 - 7:56pm #574116
NJHooper95ParticipantKansas had Josh Selby, Tyshawn Taylor, Tyrel Reed, and Brady Morningstar who all logged 20 min or more, thats pretty crowded. I agree he is not a real pg, more of a combo.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/18/2011 - 7:56pm #573943
NJHooper95ParticipantKansas had Josh Selby, Tyshawn Taylor, Tyrel Reed, and Brady Morningstar who all logged 20 min or more, thats pretty crowded. I agree he is not a real pg, more of a combo.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/18/2011 - 8:01pm #574124
NJHooper95ParticipantBut those are still backcourt mins that are taken away from Elijah. All those guys played 20 plus min so somebody was in as the proverbial point guard every now and then when Tyshawn wasnt in the game and he log 27mpg last season. Well Iggy one thing we know college doesnt have a lockout, so we actually gets to see who right. I will remind you of this during the season.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/18/2011 - 8:01pm #573951
NJHooper95ParticipantBut those are still backcourt mins that are taken away from Elijah. All those guys played 20 plus min so somebody was in as the proverbial point guard every now and then when Tyshawn wasnt in the game and he log 27mpg last season. Well Iggy one thing we know college doesnt have a lockout, so we actually gets to see who right. I will remind you of this during the season.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/18/2011 - 8:07pm #573955
cavairo7ParticipantI really like Terrell Stoglin from the Terps. Without Jordan Williams, he’s gonna have the opportunity for the offense to completely run through him.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/18/2011 - 8:07pm #574128
cavairo7ParticipantI really like Terrell Stoglin from the Terps. Without Jordan Williams, he’s gonna have the opportunity for the offense to completely run through him.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/18/2011 - 8:53pm #573959
RUDEBOY_Participant1.Damian Lilliard of Weber St.-Will be next year’s version of Norris Cole..A great shooter and penetrator…Very good 1 on 1 skills..Played great against on the jr. team that scrimmaged against TEAM USA last season..
2.Dee Bost of Miss. St-Isnt a nba prospect, but he’s an exciting college player…
3.David Stockton of Gonzaga-Lacks strength, but is a good shooter and did a good job of setting up people last season…
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/18/2011 - 8:53pm #574132
RUDEBOY_Participant1.Damian Lilliard of Weber St.-Will be next year’s version of Norris Cole..A great shooter and penetrator…Very good 1 on 1 skills..Played great against on the jr. team that scrimmaged against TEAM USA last season..
2.Dee Bost of Miss. St-Isnt a nba prospect, but he’s an exciting college player…
3.David Stockton of Gonzaga-Lacks strength, but is a good shooter and did a good job of setting up people last season…
0 - Posted on: Tue, 07/19/2011 - 4:11am #574005
Andrew1984ParticipantI agree with the person who mentioned Ray McCallum and the one who mentioned David Stockton. Also, look out for both Jackson Aldridge, an Australian point guard on his way to Hinkle Fieldhouse to play for Brad Stevens at Butler, as well as Chrishawn Hopkins. Not sure how the minutes will shake out, but Hopkins is an explosive playmaking athlete and ALdridge is a very cerebral, under-control player with outstanding vision, touch, and basketball instincts.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 07/19/2011 - 4:11am #574179
Andrew1984ParticipantI agree with the person who mentioned Ray McCallum and the one who mentioned David Stockton. Also, look out for both Jackson Aldridge, an Australian point guard on his way to Hinkle Fieldhouse to play for Brad Stevens at Butler, as well as Chrishawn Hopkins. Not sure how the minutes will shake out, but Hopkins is an explosive playmaking athlete and ALdridge is a very cerebral, under-control player with outstanding vision, touch, and basketball instincts.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 07/19/2011 - 4:44am #574009
jaycee24Participantimma keep screamin his name to you all catch on
0 - Posted on: Tue, 07/19/2011 - 4:44am #574183
jaycee24Participantimma keep screamin his name to you all catch on
0 - Posted on: Tue, 07/19/2011 - 5:31am #574027
Andrew1984ParticipantAlso, St. Joseph’s junior Carl Jones. He averaged 17 points and shot 37 percent from 3 as a sophomore.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 07/19/2011 - 5:31am #574201
Andrew1984ParticipantAlso, St. Joseph’s junior Carl Jones. He averaged 17 points and shot 37 percent from 3 as a sophomore.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 07/19/2011 - 9:22am #574317
iguapops420ParticipantIm fan of MacCallum but not so sure yet if he’s an NBA guy. He needs to really blow up Steph Curry style for me to buy into him completely. Average numbers at Detroit aren’t gonna cut it. Whoever mentioned Damian Lillard, I’m on board. He’s a good shooter but I’m wondering just how badly the injury is gonna effect him this upcoming season. As a Jayhawks fan, I’m already a big fan of Taylor as he seems to me ike he’s matured a lot since his fresh year and while he’s not much of a scorer, he’s not the kinda guy who’s gonna just be a complete non threat on offense either. Floor general is what I’m honestly begining to see with this kid.
JNixon is right about Elijah so far, with all that athleticism, there is no reason for a guy like Morningstar to be taking his minutes at either guard position. While I most certainly don’t see him as a pg by any means, he could definitely develop into a scorer off the bench for some team in a Ben Gordon type role. This is all assuming he’s been working hard in the gym during this offseason. Still, I’m a fan until he fails this year assuming he starts.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 07/19/2011 - 9:22am #574141
iguapops420ParticipantIm fan of MacCallum but not so sure yet if he’s an NBA guy. He needs to really blow up Steph Curry style for me to buy into him completely. Average numbers at Detroit aren’t gonna cut it. Whoever mentioned Damian Lillard, I’m on board. He’s a good shooter but I’m wondering just how badly the injury is gonna effect him this upcoming season. As a Jayhawks fan, I’m already a big fan of Taylor as he seems to me ike he’s matured a lot since his fresh year and while he’s not much of a scorer, he’s not the kinda guy who’s gonna just be a complete non threat on offense either. Floor general is what I’m honestly begining to see with this kid.
JNixon is right about Elijah so far, with all that athleticism, there is no reason for a guy like Morningstar to be taking his minutes at either guard position. While I most certainly don’t see him as a pg by any means, he could definitely develop into a scorer off the bench for some team in a Ben Gordon type role. This is all assuming he’s been working hard in the gym during this offseason. Still, I’m a fan until he fails this year assuming he starts.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 07/19/2011 - 9:31am #574329
river09ParticipantJordan Taylor… Wisconsin…
powerful PG who can hit the three and finish in traffic when necessary… may lack the "wow" factor compared to some guards but bo ryan trusts him to orchestrate his offense which says a lot of his character… can lead an offense… handle the press… makes the right pass… and if it comes down to it he can drive the lane and create his own shot and shots for others…. he’ll be the guy this year that will make wisconsin surprise everyone… again… think a stronger devin harris…
18.1 ppg 4.1 rpg 4 apg 3.83 a/t (!!) and shot 42.9% from 3 last year…… a little respect people… i can’t believe no one mentions him…
0 - Posted on: Tue, 07/19/2011 - 9:31am #574152
river09ParticipantJordan Taylor… Wisconsin…
powerful PG who can hit the three and finish in traffic when necessary… may lack the "wow" factor compared to some guards but bo ryan trusts him to orchestrate his offense which says a lot of his character… can lead an offense… handle the press… makes the right pass… and if it comes down to it he can drive the lane and create his own shot and shots for others…. he’ll be the guy this year that will make wisconsin surprise everyone… again… think a stronger devin harris…
18.1 ppg 4.1 rpg 4 apg 3.83 a/t (!!) and shot 42.9% from 3 last year…… a little respect people… i can’t believe no one mentions him…
0 - Posted on: Tue, 07/19/2011 - 9:57am #574347
JNixonParticipantJordan Taylor isn’t underrated. He was an All-American last year. That’s why he hasn’t been mentioned.
Elijah Johnson isn’t similar to Ben Gordon at all, and I don’t see him developing in that type of role either. His production will rise next year, because he won’t have the benefit of being behind experienced guys or touted Fr., but he’s not comparable to an NBA player right now. He’s just not very good right now.There is more to basketball than size and athleticism, and right now that’s largely all Johnson has shown.
I got -4 points for saying Morningstar, Selby, and Reed didn’t take Johnson’s time. Clearly you guys didn’t watch Kansas at all last year. And still with all those guys having little to no effect of Johnson’s time, and KU having nobody as a backup PG besides Johnson, he still didn’t produce much or play alot. It says something about just how good he really is.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 07/19/2011 - 9:57am #574170
JNixonParticipantJordan Taylor isn’t underrated. He was an All-American last year. That’s why he hasn’t been mentioned.
Elijah Johnson isn’t similar to Ben Gordon at all, and I don’t see him developing in that type of role either. His production will rise next year, because he won’t have the benefit of being behind experienced guys or touted Fr., but he’s not comparable to an NBA player right now. He’s just not very good right now.There is more to basketball than size and athleticism, and right now that’s largely all Johnson has shown.
I got -4 points for saying Morningstar, Selby, and Reed didn’t take Johnson’s time. Clearly you guys didn’t watch Kansas at all last year. And still with all those guys having little to no effect of Johnson’s time, and KU having nobody as a backup PG besides Johnson, he still didn’t produce much or play alot. It says something about just how good he really is.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 07/19/2011 - 4:47pm #574635
river09Participant@jnixon…correction! 😛 …. i guess saying underrated was going a little long since he is very respected in college circles… but i never hear him mentioned as a nba prospect and personally i believe he could be a very steady pg in the league….
0 - Posted on: Tue, 07/19/2011 - 4:47pm #574455
river09Participant@jnixon…correction! 😛 …. i guess saying underrated was going a little long since he is very respected in college circles… but i never hear him mentioned as a nba prospect and personally i believe he could be a very steady pg in the league….
0 - Posted on: Tue, 07/19/2011 - 4:51pm #574639
iguapops420ParticipantI wasn’t really saying their games were similar, simply that a scorer role off of the bench is about as good as Johnson could hope for. He’s not reliant on the J like Gordon is. Athleticism is far stronger. Simply that role.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 07/19/2011 - 4:51pm #574459
iguapops420ParticipantI wasn’t really saying their games were similar, simply that a scorer role off of the bench is about as good as Johnson could hope for. He’s not reliant on the J like Gordon is. Athleticism is far stronger. Simply that role.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 07/19/2011 - 5:33pm #574473
iguapops420ParticipantBTW, JNixon, I’d you got the negatives because if all of those guys were on the court together, then one of them at each time HAD to play pg. Even if they did primarily play sg or off-guard. Just meant it ws a smarter way to play having those guys for strectches at point than Johnson as a primary backup. Just not enough minutes in a game not to. But like I said before, there is no reason for a guy with his atheticism to be losing minutes to a guy like Morningstar. His jumper wasn’t strong enough to replace anyone of those guys nor did he have good enough all around game or highschool pedigree to supplant Selby. He just didn’t fit. Still, he has the potential, and to say he won’t be able to play is an insult. How many guys with far less natural gifts have been unknowns for the first couple years then out of nowhere, BOOM! Though I personally stay away from guys who fail to make rotation until older guys have passed such as Hilton Armstrong and Acie LawIV. Usually if they didn’t get minutes when there was talent around, it was for a reason. As is the case so far for Johnson.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 07/19/2011 - 5:33pm #574653
iguapops420ParticipantBTW, JNixon, I’d you got the negatives because if all of those guys were on the court together, then one of them at each time HAD to play pg. Even if they did primarily play sg or off-guard. Just meant it ws a smarter way to play having those guys for strectches at point than Johnson as a primary backup. Just not enough minutes in a game not to. But like I said before, there is no reason for a guy with his atheticism to be losing minutes to a guy like Morningstar. His jumper wasn’t strong enough to replace anyone of those guys nor did he have good enough all around game or highschool pedigree to supplant Selby. He just didn’t fit. Still, he has the potential, and to say he won’t be able to play is an insult. How many guys with far less natural gifts have been unknowns for the first couple years then out of nowhere, BOOM! Though I personally stay away from guys who fail to make rotation until older guys have passed such as Hilton Armstrong and Acie LawIV. Usually if they didn’t get minutes when there was talent around, it was for a reason. As is the case so far for Johnson.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 07/19/2011 - 5:36pm #574475
iguapops420ParticipantThe more I watch Johnson, the more I see Shannon Brown really. Low hoop IQ, questionable shot selection and a dunker first and foremost.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 07/19/2011 - 5:36pm #574655
iguapops420ParticipantThe more I watch Johnson, the more I see Shannon Brown really. Low hoop IQ, questionable shot selection and a dunker first and foremost.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 07/19/2011 - 5:42pm #574477
JNixonParticipant"BTW, JNixon, I’d you got the negatives because if all of those guys were on the court together, then one of them at each time HAD to play pg. Even if they did primarily play sg or off-guard."
Taylor and Johnson were the only 2 players to play any real PG time for Kansas last year. Reed, Morningstar, and Selby played off-ball last year.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 07/19/2011 - 5:42pm #574657
JNixonParticipant"BTW, JNixon, I’d you got the negatives because if all of those guys were on the court together, then one of them at each time HAD to play pg. Even if they did primarily play sg or off-guard."
Taylor and Johnson were the only 2 players to play any real PG time for Kansas last year. Reed, Morningstar, and Selby played off-ball last year.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 07/19/2011 - 6:04pm #574487
iguapops420ParticipantWell seeing as though Reed played 29 minutes, Morningstar 27 and Selby 20. I just don’t see hpw it’s possible that Johnson’s 14 minutes a game behind Tyshawn’s 27 is possible. But I could be mistaken and it could have to do with Selby missing the first 15 games. Still, PG is not where Johnson needs to be, like I said, I’m seeing a lot of Shanwow in his game, and that is by no means the game of a PG. In some ways, not even a 2.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 07/19/2011 - 6:04pm #574667
iguapops420ParticipantWell seeing as though Reed played 29 minutes, Morningstar 27 and Selby 20. I just don’t see hpw it’s possible that Johnson’s 14 minutes a game behind Tyshawn’s 27 is possible. But I could be mistaken and it could have to do with Selby missing the first 15 games. Still, PG is not where Johnson needs to be, like I said, I’m seeing a lot of Shanwow in his game, and that is by no means the game of a PG. In some ways, not even a 2.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 07/19/2011 - 6:13pm #574489
scoutguruParticipantI wanna say Elijah Johnson is more than just an athlete out there on the basketball court, but I just haven’t seen much of him to disprove that point. One thing I’ll say is idk, he didn’t come off to me as being as raw as a Rodney Williams type player, who just lacks some basic basketball skills. I know being a highly touted recruit doesn’t mean anything and him playing 2 yrs already should be what we make our judgements on, but usually guards have less lee-way when being ranked so high in high school, as opposed to wings and bigs, who can get by more on physical tools at that level, thus their high rankings. What I’m saying is, the talent has to be there with this kid. This will be a big year for him coming up, not even for the nba, but just to prove he can be a productive college player, and not be a huge disappointment, relative to his hs rankings. He won’t have to worry about looking over at the coach once a t/o happens, the minutes will be there, and he’ll have to produce.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 07/19/2011 - 6:13pm #574669
scoutguruParticipantI wanna say Elijah Johnson is more than just an athlete out there on the basketball court, but I just haven’t seen much of him to disprove that point. One thing I’ll say is idk, he didn’t come off to me as being as raw as a Rodney Williams type player, who just lacks some basic basketball skills. I know being a highly touted recruit doesn’t mean anything and him playing 2 yrs already should be what we make our judgements on, but usually guards have less lee-way when being ranked so high in high school, as opposed to wings and bigs, who can get by more on physical tools at that level, thus their high rankings. What I’m saying is, the talent has to be there with this kid. This will be a big year for him coming up, not even for the nba, but just to prove he can be a productive college player, and not be a huge disappointment, relative to his hs rankings. He won’t have to worry about looking over at the coach once a t/o happens, the minutes will be there, and he’ll have to produce.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 07/19/2011 - 6:46pm #574508
JNixonParticipant" I just don’t see hpw it’s possible that Johnson’s 14 minutes a game behind Tyshawn’s 27 is possible."
How?? It adds up, going over by 1 minute.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 07/19/2011 - 6:46pm #574689
JNixonParticipant" I just don’t see hpw it’s possible that Johnson’s 14 minutes a game behind Tyshawn’s 27 is possible."
How?? It adds up, going over by 1 minute.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 07/19/2011 - 6:56pm #574516
iguapops420ParticipantLook dude don’t bitch at me for telling u the facts of why you were more than likely given negatives. I’m talking about the fact that you managed to come up with 76 minutes for 3 guys who ONLY played the 2?
0 - Posted on: Tue, 07/19/2011 - 6:56pm #574697
iguapops420ParticipantLook dude don’t bitch at me for telling u the facts of why you were more than likely given negatives. I’m talking about the fact that you managed to come up with 76 minutes for 3 guys who ONLY played the 2?
0 - Posted on: Tue, 07/19/2011 - 7:10pm #574521
JNixonParticipantKansas played 3 guards too at times. That’s why I said SG and off-guard.
There were plenty of times they played Taylor, Reed and Morningstar on the floor at the same time. Matter of fact, that was their starting backcourt lineup by the conference slate. It’s not fact. The fact is that 27 mpg and 14 mpg, adds up. Taylor and Johnson’s minutes at PG add up. Unless 27 +14 doesn’t =41, which is merely 1 extra minute. I know, I watched Kansas a bunch last year. They are my favorite teams rival school. Selby, Reed and Morningstar didn’t play PG.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 07/19/2011 - 7:10pm #574701
JNixonParticipantKansas played 3 guards too at times. That’s why I said SG and off-guard.
There were plenty of times they played Taylor, Reed and Morningstar on the floor at the same time. Matter of fact, that was their starting backcourt lineup by the conference slate. It’s not fact. The fact is that 27 mpg and 14 mpg, adds up. Taylor and Johnson’s minutes at PG add up. Unless 27 +14 doesn’t =41, which is merely 1 extra minute. I know, I watched Kansas a bunch last year. They are my favorite teams rival school. Selby, Reed and Morningstar didn’t play PG.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 07/19/2011 - 8:16pm #574537
Johnny ChillHe is one of the more charismatic young players.
He already has the pedigree coming in from Oak Hill. (Nolan Smith, Ty Lawson, Brandon Jennings).
He already has the high school accolades. (McDonalds AA, Team USA under 16 and under 17 Gold medals).
Now is he going to be coach by the best (Coach K).
He will be the best point guard in college by his Junior season.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 07/19/2011 - 8:16pm #574717
Johnny ChillHe is one of the more charismatic young players.
He already has the pedigree coming in from Oak Hill. (Nolan Smith, Ty Lawson, Brandon Jennings).
He already has the high school accolades. (McDonalds AA, Team USA under 16 and under 17 Gold medals).
Now is he going to be coach by the best (Coach K).
He will be the best point guard in college by his Junior season.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 07/21/2011 - 12:12pm #575607
providencefriars1ParticipantJust to throw out a couple more names:
I dont think these guys will be good NBA guys but they are good college players who might get some second round looks.
Scoop Jardine
Erving Walker
Marquise Carter
Jio Fontan
Gerald Robinson
0 - Posted on: Thu, 07/21/2011 - 12:12pm #575415
providencefriars1ParticipantJust to throw out a couple more names:
I dont think these guys will be good NBA guys but they are good college players who might get some second round looks.
Scoop Jardine
Erving Walker
Marquise Carter
Jio Fontan
Gerald Robinson
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