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WHATS WRONG WITH HASSSAN WHITESIDE JAZZ FANS

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WHATS WRONG WITH HASSSAN WHITESIDE JAZZ FANS

I know there are some issues. He needs some time to devolp and become stronger. There is some off the court concerns. Also maybe a lack of BB IQ. I just dont see how over 5 blocks a game could be a fluke? He has good athleticism, great size (5 percent body fat has the body frame to put on alot of weight) and has great potential to get better playing just one year of college ball. He probably wouldn't see huge minutes is first year maybe 12-15 a game. He would play he's not a garbage player like KK and Fes. He would come in and block a couple shots and play some D down low. I think Salon would be a great coach for him and he would get the structure he needs in Utah. Plenty of Centers from overseas (like Sene and DeSagana Diop ) do become busts. But they never Proved themselves in College like he has. In a year or two he could become a very good player just like Andrew Bymn did with the tenth pick for L.A. I can seem him averaging atleast 12, 9, 2 a game his second season. With Millsap being Boozers replacement we really dont need to draft a pf. A.K. will get most of the back up minutes at the 4 spot. And Memo might play some 4 also when we go big. Millsap will put up simiallar numbers to Booz. Probably 18 and 10. We could go for Aldrich but he probably is just Ostertag the 2nd at best except hes not 7"1. Role the dice with him and he MIGHT just be the next Camby or atleast a Samuel Dalembert.


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Here is what I think is the possible problems

Yes you are correct in he is a young prospect, can grow more into his skinny body and will develop. But reasons you wouldn't want him is because first off many times a player already has all those things he needs to improve on going into the NBA and many times they don't get all the things done needed to improve that, also I think the BIGGEST reason is the Jazz are currently a good playoff team. I would think they would rather draft a player right now who could come in immediately help a lot and possibly still get better over time. Also he didn't have amazing numbers against competition that was not that good either.

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Utah and Sloane would fix any problems with this kid

Sloane is a first class Coach and would get this guy man strong in a hurry....everybody needs a Sloane

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I am sick of explaining this over and over again.

1. Hassan Whiteside does not have a good motor and does not hustle.

2. His rebounding numbers were solid in college, but most of them came from standing in one spot and out reaching the puny centers of Conference USA.

3. He is not a good defender. He was dominated time and time again by centers MUCH shorter than he was. Jerome Jordan also took him to school.

4. His coach and teammates didn't have very many postive things to say about him.

5. Jerry Sloan doesn't put up with any BS.

6. He brings one skill to the NBA right now, shotblocking.

7. He is HORRIBLE passer, even for a center in the NBA. Sloan's system requires passing ability.

Utah will not draft him. If they did he would bust. Sloan's system is 100% the wrong fit for Whiteside and he would be crying for a trade halfway through his rookie year.

Watch him play, and you will see why he isn't a good fit for the Jazz.

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So i guess we go for a career

So i guess we go for a career role player like aldrich? Or draft Edoh and use him as a undersized center? Undersized players sure have been a good thing for the jazz. I like Whiteside because of his length and shotblocking which we have neither of. If he gets stronger he will be a good player. Its worth the risk with his upside, as long as he has mind right and is willing to work hard. If he Jazz coaches dont like what they see in him and im wrong then we will take someone else. But he would be a better back how he is right now than Fes or KK. By the time next season roles around he could easily put on 10 to 20 pounds.

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This brings me back to the point that the Jazz are a very good team right now and I would presume they would want a player who could come in right away and help, plus the post by butidonthavemoney the first time around was completely correct and with say Aldrich he is more ready to come in and help, great defender like Whiteside, more devolved offensively and will continue to develop and is a good character guy who does not have all the issues whiteside has.

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It doesn't matter, because Utah will not draft him.

If they do, I will eat my crow and dub you king of the internet.

But they won't.

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Hopefull we do. If not he

Hopefull we do. If not he will go somewere else and devolp into a good player. Then we will be sorry we didnt get a true defencive 7 footer when we had the chance. And we will have a 6"10 center with no athleticism who isnt going to get much better than what he is right now but can be a solid player off the bench.

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Butidonthavemoney summed it

Butidonthavemoney summed it up beautifully. Whiteside isn't the defender that Utah needs. He's not better than ANY of the C's they have right now and I'd be surprised if he ended up being better than the "career role-player" Cole Aldrich. Just because he's skinny and weak doesn't mean he can get better, and just because he's long and athletic doesn't mean he's "full of potential." Hassan Whiteside doesn't fit into their plans, and I'd be shocked if they took him, even over Ekpe Udoh.

Aldrich is easily a better fit than Whiteside if available. Whiteside is a very raw offensive player, and he's not a defender. He's a shot-blocker.

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I doubt they take him. I just

I doubt they take him. I just think they should. We need size and shotblocking. And Mr.6000 I think he has potenial beacause of his age not his size. I think he can get bigger because of his body fat ratio and being stronger help big men play better. They will probably take Aldrich (if he's left). And i hope im wrong about him. Who even they pick i hope they play well for the Jazz.

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The Jazz don't need another project.

They already have two projects at center - Koufos and Fesenko. That is enough experimenting. They need to go for a definite contributor. The Jazz have a very solid team, especially when everyone is healthy. They got out of the first round of the playoffs against a good Nuggets team without their starting small forward and mostly without their starting center.

I think that points to the Jazz being fairly close to being able to win a championship. And they need to strike while the proverbial iron is hot. Remember, D-Will only signed a 3-year extension. You have to show him the team is making strides toward trying to win now or he will go be the best point guard in the NBA on another team when his contract is up. And I don't think any Jazz fan wants that.

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KK and Fes were never soposed

KK and Fes were never soposed to be good and probably never will be. There 3rd string players. I agree we need someone to come in and contribute right away but that probably wont happen threw the draft. Most Rookies dont make big contributions right away enless there a top 5 pick. Of course there are alot of exceptions. I just think after one year of devolpment he could be a really solid guy in the middle for us. More important than this pick is getting a solid veteran in free agecy who can make a bigger impact than any rookie we will get with the ninth pick can.

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Who says we have to keep KK and Fes

Fes is a restricted free agent, we don't even have to make a qualifying offer. It is rare that rookies play that much under sloan, I agree that it would be pretty improbably that Whiteside would see more than the NBDL in his first year. The big thing about whiteside is his length, athleticism, he does have descent shot fundamentals which is something you can't say about most bigs. I agree with butidonthavemoney, his motor is the question. That is a recipe for disaster with Sloan. Fes is in the same boat.

Jazz seem to be going BPA lately in the draft and I see no different with this year. They can go free agency or trade for big. I guess we have to wait and see about the work outs to find out which way they are going in the draft. I think the frustrating thing for jazz fans is that we almost there with this years draft. But the Knicks some how played better than they should have and were only 9th (actually tied for 8th) worst. They should have been at least 4rth worst. I think knowing they weren't getting the draft pick motivated them!

If we could get cousins, this would be easy.

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This could be Utah's chance

This could be Utah's chance to get a Bynum. Lakers were rarely in the lottery and took a big man and that big man has developed. Utah is pretty good and may never see the lottery again and they have enough pieces to wait on a big man if they go this route. I doubt it because there are playing that should be available that could give you immediate results.

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I keep bouncing back and forth on Whiteside...

The thing is, unlike most teams, the Jazz have a very specific system, and I really couldn't see Whiteside fitting in very well. Also, the Jazz are in a definite "win now" mode, and in that regard, Whiteside definitely isn't ready to contribute major minutes right away. Basically, wrong system, at the wrong time. But I do believe Whiteside has a chance to be a very good player in the NBA someday, if he's willing to put in the work on his game. It just won't be with the Jazz. It's the same reason the Jazz won't draft Aminu if he's still available. He just isn't a Jerry Sloan type of player. The "athlete" type player has never fit in well in Utah. I think back to David Benoit, Blue Edwards, Deshawn Stevenson, and most recently Ronnie Brewer. Cutting, slashing type players just don't fit the bill in Utah. I can see them drafting Aldrich, Gordon, or some other less athletic player, who will accept a role, and has a high basketball IQ (darn near mandatory with Sloan).

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People that would fit

Thats a great point Jazzinslc.

So who are the sloan players?

Monroe- he better learn to hustle back on D, but he is a good half court player who thinks pass first.
Udoh- Hustle and good position defense. I don't see tons of upside with him but in terms of a guy comes in and works and can actually play defense, he would help.
Babbit- He looks like a good hustle player with skills for a half court offsense. He won't be pulling up for the three bringing the ball up the court with sloan though.
Patterson- seems to understand the game, have good agression, passing and position based defense.
Aldrich- He plays hard and isn't afraid to get hit in the face or hit int he face. A real sloan guy. Not the most gifted but he has descent size and great reach that helps him.
I'd like to say george but I don't know. My bets are on the jazz taking one of these guys.
The jazz in recent years have done a much better job of just taking the best player available. I think they have benefited from that. Maynor, ronnie b. have been players. KK looked good for whwere we got him, but I think he was a bust, I guess he is only two years out so for a guy that is only 20 or 21 I shouldn't be that hard on him. I forget he only played one year at Ohio St.

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People that would fit

Thats a great point Jazzinslc.

So who are the sloan players?

Monroe- he better learn to hustle back on D, but he is a good half court player who thinks pass first.
Udoh- Hustle and good position defense. I don't see tons of upside with him but in terms of a guy comes in and works and can actually play defense, he would help.
Babbit- He looks like a good hustle player with skills for a half court offsense. He won't be pulling up for the three bringing the ball up the court with sloan though.
Patterson- seems to understand the game, have good agression, passing and position based defense.
Aldrich- He plays hard and isn't afraid to get hit in the face or hit int he face. A real sloan guy. Not the most gifted but he has descent size and great reach that helps him.
I'd like to say george but I don't know. My bets are on the jazz taking one of these guys.
The jazz in recent years have done a much better job of just taking the best player available. I think they have benefited from that. Maynor, ronnie b. have been players. KK looked good for whwere we got him, but I think he was a bust, I guess he is only two years out so for a guy that is only 20 or 21 I shouldn't be that hard on him. I forget he only played one year at Ohio St.

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