[valentine]

So where shall Blake rank as a PF in the leauge today?  We know he can’t be the best because of the unwritten rule that you have to be leading you’re team to a winning record or a title ,no exception to Blake or Kevin Love. Even if u are a die hard fan of either.  You take into account the whole season not just recent games.  You also take in account offense and defense not just offense like some of y’all like to do.  With all that said where would you rank him.  Also take into account all aspects of the game and leave the highlight bias factor at the door( we all know some rank players higher because they can put up more highlights). IMO right now

Dirk
Gasol
Amare
Zach
Bosh( if clippers keep winning and make playoffs this will change since bosh has done as much on a losing team)
Blake/Love-  neither are very good defenders Love is the better rebounder/shooter Blake is better at creating for teammates and defender. Both can drop buckets on any PF in the Leauge

If Blake,Love,Zach can lead there team to more wins they will move up. Blake has more potential then all of them because he is only a rookie compared to the Others.

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

with 4 minutes left in the fourth quarter right now.

[BKKnicksfanParticipant]

He’s a top 5 PF ( in the latter) and he’s a top 15 player right now IMO.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

I’d take Griffin over Bosh and Randolph right now.

[llperez]

A lot of very good pf’s right now, especially out west. I mean when guys like duncan, aldridge, west, jefferson, odom are’nt even being mentioned you know the west is deep at pf.

here are my top 10 rankings as of today:

1-dirk nowitzki

2-pau gasol

3-tim duncan(not based on regualr season but come playoffs, i take him here)

4-blake griffin

5-amare stoudemire

6-zach randolph

7-kevin love

8=david west

9-chris bosh

10-lamarcus aldridge

but the gap between 1-10 is not much, any of these guys can out play each other on any given night. 

 

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

And I don’t think it’s really all that close between Griffin and Love/Randolph. Randolph isn’t as unselfish as Griffin is, nor does he pass as well out of double teams.

And Love isn’t the athlete Griffin is. Griffin is in another world as an athlete, while not having that much less skill than Love. Griffin runs the floor a lot better and plays with a higher motor. The only thing Love does better is shoot and he’s a better rebounder (though not by that much). Love is a very good power forward, but he isn’t dominating games in the fashion that Griffin is.

[BKKnicksfanParticipant]

How is Chris Bosh the 9th best PF in the game?

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

I’d still take Kevin Garnett in the top ten.

[DanEboyParticipant]

Blake is sitting on 47 points and is standing all alone at the 3 point line with the Clippers up 7 and time winding down. Baron Davis decides to toss up a 10ft jumper of his own instead of letting Blake try a 3 to reach 50…at home.

Another reason why I hate BD.

[llperez]

knicksboy, are you suggesting thats too low or too high for bosh?

[BKKnicksfanParticipant]

Too low. He’s a 18-8 guy now but I feel he’s better then a couple people you named.

Also…i think we should include Al Horford on the list IMO.

[LAKE SHOW]

It’s pretty much opinion and preference as far as who is where after Dirk,Gasol.  Even if some would take other guys over others that’s just who they rather have right now and most of the time they will pick the younger guy.  I made this post because of a debate we had at the gym today( some took Blake some took Love as far as those two go) so reguardless it’s not clear cut.   Not sure how I forgot about some of the other PF in the NBA. But it is a very deep pool just like back in the day

Al plays center. Don’t put him there just because of his height

[llperez]

who on my list would you put him ahead of? I could see maybe ahead of west but those two are close. Other then that, i defenitely take every other guy on that list ahead of bosh.

[BKKnicksfanParticipant]

IMO it’s

• Dirk
• Pau
• Stoudemire
• Bosh
• Griffin
• Love
• Randolph

 

Let’s not give Love the top 5 tag just yet…one impressive season doesn’t give him that to me. Bosh was top 3 before he went to Miami and he drops slightly because his numbers fell off but he’s still a top 5 guy for me.  Griffin is a top 5 guy.

 

David West is good but he’s nowhere near these guys IMO.

[OldSkoolBasketballParticipant]

I take out David West and put in Boozer.

[LAKE SHOW]

I like the list. You can rotate anyone of them other then Dirk and gasol and I have zero problem with it

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

I used to think Bosh was a top five power forward, but his weaknesses as a defender, rebounder and big that can score in the paint have been highlighted with the Heat.

 

[llperez]

@knicksboy, i have on problem with you including blake in your top 5 and exlcuding love, but how can you use the argument that we cant give love a top 5 spot based on just 1 season and then include blake griffin in your top 5 who is a rookie? You gotta stay consistent.

And i never thought bosh was top 3. He is an average rebounder and he has only made the playoffs twice in his career never getting out of the first round. His stats on sub par teams or no more meaningful then love’s stats on a sub par team. Plus bosh just really doesnt bring a physical presence at all.

And west i think you are sleeping on west if you dont think he is even close to these guys. He handles his business and is a reliable go to guy for cp3.

[LAKE SHOW]

I’m lost. You said one impressive season doesn’t deserve top 5 but wouldn’t that apply for Blake since this is one season?  If we are talking overall top 5 and including career then neither is top 5 yet. You gotta lead you’re team to more wins/playoffs/title. If career is included neither qualifies

[LAKE SHOW]

beat me to the punch I see

[BKKnicksfanParticipant]

Yea but all power forwards have weaknesses besides Dirk IMO

Pau: Soft at times

Stoudemire: below average defender

Griffin: below average defender

Love: can’t defend at all in spurts

 

Bosh is a 8.8 rebounder I believe. That’s good for someone who plays next to the best rebounding SF and SG….

[BKKnicksfanParticipant]

@knicksboy, i have on problem with you including blake in your top 5 and exlcuding love, but how can you use the argument that we cant give love a top 5 spot based on just 1 season and then include blake griffin in your top 5 who is a rookie? You gotta stay consistent.

 

What Blake’s done is amazing. But I understand what your saying then.

 

• Dirk
• Pau
• Stoudemire
• Bosh
• Randolph
• Griffin
• Love

 

Happy?

 

[Penny Jr.Participant]

Its kinda hard to rank cuz he’s jus a rookie,

and  when you try to rank you take in the thoughts of the

other players whole career not jus one season

[llperez]

yep, all pf’s do have weaknesses. I never suggested the guys i put above bosh are perfect. But i think if you put love on the heat, his rebounding, passing and ability to stretch the floor would make them an even better team. Put bosh on the wolves and i dont see them doing any better.

[llperez]

"happy"

why would you changing your list make me happy? You called me out for my list and used an argument i didint agree with so i brought it up. I never actually said blake shouldnt be top 5 as i also have him in my top 5.

[BKKnicksfanParticipant]

No, I wrote happy with the idea of "is this a better list?" not in terms of disrespect man.

 

Also, I disagree. If you swap Love and Bosh…I think Miami would be worst IMO

[LAKE SHOW]

Lebron and Wade are very good rebounders and they also eat up points. What did bosh put up when he was on a bad team? 24-26 and 10-12? We know what he can do on a average and bad team so why are people doubting him? He’s proven what he can do when being the focal point like Blake and Love are, for some reason people are forgetting that. This guy is a allstar. U put Love and Blake on a team with two ball dominate top five players and I’m willing to bet there numbers go down as well

[llperez]

i dont know, love is hitting over 40% from three, that would really help clear some space for lebron and wade. Plus we might actually get to see those outlet passes love is known for but rarely gets to show off in minnesota.

[canesboy6Participant]

Boozer is the most underrated play in the game right now. No fundamental flaws in any aspect.

1. Amare

2. Dirk

3. Boozer

4. Gasol

5. Griffin

6. Bosh

7. Love

8. Randolph

9. Odom

10. Aldridge.

[canesboy6Participant]

Boozer is the most underrated play in the game right now. No fundamental flaws in any aspect.

1. Amare

2. Dirk

3. Boozer

4. Gasol

5. Griffin

6. Bosh

7. Love

8. Randolph

9. Odom

10. Aldridge.

[llperez]

@lake show, im not forgetting what bosh did when he was the man. I’ve criticized bosh on this site ever since i joined. Im aware he can put up numbers, but his lack of toughness around the hoop has always stood out to me. I’ve never watched my lakers play toronto and thought to myself, "uh oh, we got to face bosh tonight". He just aint all that great to me. I do think he is a legit all-star and im not completley trying to trash him or anything.

[LAKE SHOW]

My comment goes more towards people thinking he’s not a top
5 PF over love and Blake. They need more wins and more seasons for me to say that because bosh has put up numbers for years. I do think because of Loves jumper he would fit in better with the heat though

[andxxxParticipant]

 Chris Bosh has a good enough jumper for the Heat and is a better defender than Love he’s a better fit and right now a better player and imo the list is:

1. Dirk Nowitzki

2. Pau Gasol

3. Chris Bosh

5. Amare Stoudemire

6. Blake Griffin

7. Carlos Boozer

8. Zach Randolph

9.Lemarcus Aldridge

10. Kevin Love

[omphalosParticipant]

I still can’t believe people there’s only been one mention of Garnett this whole thread? Prior to his injury this season he was a dominant presence on the defensive end again and an efficient and productive player on the offensive end. He’s top 5 in my opinion, but should at least by top 10 by most people’e standards. The guy goes down for a couple of weeks and we all forget his name.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

All players have weaknesses, and Dirk is no exemption either. If you Gasol is "soft" and do not put that tag on Dirk Nowitzki, than I have no idea what the world is coming too. Sure, Dirk is more versatile as an offensive player than Gasol, but Gasol has more of a post game and hits the offensive glass. For a long time, I have never understood the soft tag on Pau, it is played out in my opinion. One thing I do agree on though is that Chris Bosh is becoming hated on far too much. He may have some weaknesses outlined by his being a third option, but he has consistently beasted many a time since becoming accustomed to Miami. Griffin is killing it right now and seems to be climbing high on the list, but I would still put Dirk, Gasol, Stoudemire, Bosh and Boozer ahead of him at the least. Also still think Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett are better all around players until Griffin destroys them, which I do not believe he has. Aldridge also makes a case. But, as of late, Griffin appears to have moved ahead of Randolph and Love in my mind, he has been a killer. Career wise, he still has a ways to go obviously, but if you look at the first seasons of any of these players, Griffin is right there with any of them. I just have no idea how much he will build on it, but he is playing as well as any PF in the league right now. Whether he keeps it up is still to be determined, but for the last couple months he has been a destroyer. 

[doubledribblerParticipant]

No one is mentioning Garnett right now, but I think that has to do more with numbers. Garnett can still play. He doesn’t play a ton of minutes or get a lot of shots, but he’s playing very efficiently. Same goes for whenever you talk about Allen and Pierce. It’s a veteran team and has plenty of depth to rest starters and for one guy not to shoulder all the load.

As far as Griffin goes, the question was where does he rank right now. I’d have to say top 5. I am one of those that does not count Duncan as a PF this year because he’s been playing a lot of center btw. Anyways, one thing he does that not many guys in his position can do is elevate the play of the guys around him. Usually when we talk about someone elevated the play of others it is typically a pg or maybe even a wing player that handles the ball a lot.

Personally I think Love is better than the group of Bosh, West and Aldridge who are all pretty close in skill. None of them are anything special on defense. I think that him and Boozer are probably right next to each other. Both are horrible defenders, but they do many others things well. As crazy as I feel saying it, I would take Love over Boozer. He does all of the same things, except slightly better with far less talent around him to take the pressure off.

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

He is not a grade A defender. Garnett has the most overall skill in passing,dribbling,shooting,post play,and defensively he is way above everyone except Duncan. Yes KG is a much better defender than even Duncan. KG is the only PF on this list with no true showing weakness.

[Specialt25Participant]

1) Dirk

2) Pau

3) Amare

4) Griffen

5) Love

6) Randolph

7) Bosh

8) Aldridge

9) Boozer

10) Duncan

[BigDParticipant]

1. Dirk Nowitzki

2. Pau Gasol

3. Amare Stoudemire

4. Carlos Boozer

5. Blake Griffin

6. Kevin Garnett

7. Chris Bosh

8. Zach Randolph

9. Kevin Love

10. LaMarcus Aldridge

[marcusfizer21Participant]

Blake is the blessing the Clippers need… After the draft shenanigans they pulled off over the decades (the Kandi Mans, the Darius Miles etc..), they finally got a young nice core to build with Griffin leading the charge…

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

I  know Kevin Love is a fantastic rebounder, and he is having a monster year. He also has a great basketball IQ and is one of the better passing big men in the NBA. But, LaMarcus Aldridge has crushed him every time they have played each other. Kevin grabs boards and all, but LA just put up 37 and 12 on him last night. This is not new, because I went to a game a month ago where LA scored 35 on Kevin. Now, I am not discounting Kevin Love as being a better rebounder than LaMarcus Aldridge, but what I am saying is that LaMarcus may indeed and in my mind is the better player. A lot of statistics in basketball has to do with circumstance, and I would take a guy putting up LA numbers and staying in the play-off hunt over Kevin putting up bigger numbers on a losing team. Just my POV. 

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