By the way people have been talking on the forum, its almost unanimous that this year's class of freshman is terrific. But its highly unlikely that all of them will be good from the get go like last year the best freshman, Harrison Barnes started out slow. Perry Jones, Will Barton, Josh Selby, Fab Melo, and CJ Leslie were some guys who didnt live up to expectations their first year as well. Who do you guys think will not live up to expectations from the class of 2011 in their freshman year?
A couple players that I'll nominate are Kyle Wiltjer and Rakeem Christmas who are both on teams who dont really need them this year.
add mcadoo to that list.
I'm going to go with Brad Beal due to Boynton and Erving Walker ahead of him.
ive said michael carter williams is going to be a better recruit than Christmas
I dont think perry jones didn't live up to the expectations. His nmbers were expected from the start and before he played in college i wa saying to expect around 13-14points 7-8rebounds.
I think bradley beal,myck kabongo,austin rivers,james mcadoo willl underperform
i think quincy miller..he's going to be fighting for minutes in a stacked froncourt (j'mison morgan, perry jones, anthony jones, quincy acy)
Christmas will probably get some minutes, because DaShonte Riley transfered so it'll be him Melo and Keita at the 5 and 4 spots. For Syracuse there is more of a log jam at the guard positions, so if MCW doesn't look ready to contribute the minutes will mostly be had by Triche, Scoop, and Waiters. But I think MCW will compete for a good spot in the rotation no doubt
I agree that Christmas may not produce a lot right away, but I think it will be because he his raw, not because there isn't enough room for him.
Cuse also has CJ Fair and James Southerland for 4's
Why Kyle Wiltijer?..His game is actually more ready for college then most because he doesn't rely on being athletic (he rely's on skill which translate's to all levels)
I'd say a more lower level skill guy like Christmas
I have a feeling Davis underperforms; he grew into his body late, and will struggle battling bigger bodies in college due to inexperience. The number of other talented players on his team will play a factor also.
i dont think much of wiltjer to start with so i wont put him in this caterglory..but just a few names...McAdoo (loaded front court, going to be hard for him to get time)...Myck, and Beal
Oh yeah McAdoo is another one who i think will struggle
Most of the Big Men:
I think ALL of the McDonald's All-American C's (Rakeem Christmas, Amir Williams, Marshall Plumlee), will struggle mightily there first year. Christmas will have a better freshman year than Fab Melo, but do not expect him to score much and expect a rough transition. Amir Williams will more than likely play a bench role, and I do not think he will score very much either. Plumlee will be a utility guy at best, and as someone on here said, might very well redshirt. I expect Johnny O'Bryant to get a decent amount of PT, but I doubt he sets the world on fire for LSU. Kyle Wiltjer will be buried on the bench and not get a lot of PT, plus he will struggle on defense. Even Khem Birch, who I really like due to his athleticism and length, will have a rough transition as a big man in the Big East. Think this is a very down year for big guys.
Victim of circumstance, and I am sure he will get PT, but for those expecting him too put up big numbers, well, he is buried behind 3 front court guys who were 2nd Team All-ACC. I think James will play well, but he might fall short of double figures, unless a starter ends up getting hurt.
He is built like a tank, and a great athlete, but he again is on a VERY deep team and I think their will be different featured players. I have a feeling Adonis might be staying in Memphis for at least another year. Has a lot too work on offensively.
I do not think he will struggle, but I think that expectations for him should be far lower than they currently are. He should be great in the dribble drive offense, and is incredibly quick, but I do not think he is in the arena of Cal's last few PG's. He will dish out around 5-6 assists per game, which is a huge number for a freshman, but I believe that if you are looking at him as being a scorer like Calipari's last few PG's, he might disappoint you in that category. Kentucky's scoring should be pretty balanced, and I think Teague might be on the lower end of the balance rather than the higher end.
Otherwise, I feel I have pretty tempered expectations for these players. I could see Anthony Davis putting up about 15 and 10 with a couple blocks. Mike Gilchrist is going to be hovering above double digits, get around 6 boards or so and play great defense. I truly think Austin Rivers could be around 20 ppg, but I do not think Quinn Cook will have a huge impact as far as scoring for Duke. I think Bradley Beal may indeed lead Florida in scoring, regardless of Boynton, Walker or Rosario.
I expect LeBryan Nash too put up numbers right away due to circumstance, much like Myck Kabongo. In the Pac-12, I think Josiah Turner and Jabari Brown will probably be in the competition for freshman of the year over Tony Wroten. Wroten will make an impact, but Washington is very deep at guard and much more will be expected from the former two players. A lower ranked sleeper of mine is Shaquille Thomas. Many of you may aleady know he is the nephew of Tim Thomas, and he is headed for Cincinnatti. If Thomas can get his academics right, he is a VERY talented player.
Also for some reason i think Micheal Carter-Williams will struggle even though he will get some good minutes. Seems like most of the bigs will get some good minutes especially Wiltijer and McAdoo since both coach's have hinted as much and they don't have a lot of competition
Carter-Williams will start out slow. He's not strong yet and he still needs polish.
Christmas will play some and he'll be better than Melo was last year, but I think his offense needs work and I think he will have to learn how to play D without fouling, but he'll adjust and be a good player down the line.
Plumlee will struggle some I think, I see a a raw beanpole who will struggle to play much behind his brothers, among others.
Khem Birch is far too weak and narrow to play for Pitt, he'd be a shot-blocker but one who struggles on offense and who fouls like a madman.
Quinn Cook will get limited minutes, Duke has too many guards and he's a bit too stuck between positions to play extended time at either guard spot.
I could see Tony Wroten struggling if Abdul Gaddy is healthy. Gaddy is a pure PG and an extremely steady and smooth presence as a floor general, and Wroten is a big guard who needs the ball to be effective just as Gaddy does. I see Wroten play a bunch of minutes off the ball, and I don't think he's going to excel without dominating the ball like a PG. He will play a good bit of PG too though.
"I think ALL of the McDonald's All-American C's (Rakeem Christmas, Amir Williams, Marshall Plumlee), will struggle mightily there first year"
^ Don't worry amir williams, MikeyVtheDon is only 5 foot 9 if you look at his profile and he never played college basketball.
I am not hiding who I am. More than I can say for "KDThunder35", who played college basketball where? Also, Amir, are you upset just because you have the same name? I mean, really now!
^^^ LOL! mikeyv not rockin!
Relax buddy, I know its not Amir Williams, and I did play college basketball, division II.
I wish we could say these things too each other rather than type them. The connotation would be entirely different. Cool that you plated DII, and I know you did not think it was Amir Williams. Just do not really know what my height has to do with anything. I am lucky to be 5'9, you would trust me if you saw my family. Plus, I am never afraid of playing against anybody, even though at this point my conditioning is awful. Still, I love playing ball, and I write what I see. Just thought it was funny that you checked my profile for info, and that you had none of your own. So, I went the "KDThunder35" route. I mean, if you can get ammo, I have to find some somewhere :). People take what I say WAY too seriously sometimes, and I guess I may do the same at times as well. But, I am cool with everything. mikeyv is rockin?
^^"mikeyv is rockin?"
Ha, it's something we say in the DMV. When somebody tryna fight, and you don't back down, we say "He not rockin!"
Then don't put the information out there playa. Loved getting you rattled right there though.
I told you, I am fine with you knowing. Just do not expect me not to tap back, especially if I do not know you well. Believe me, I am cracking up about this whole thing. So, I guess I am rockin, but I am never afraid to defend myself when I think I am making a valid point.
I actually think Birch will play pretty wellbecause he is kinda like Davis in the fact that he doesn't need a play run for him in order to score. He works hard and attacks the offensive glass as well as run the break and score's from broken plays. I think he can put up C.J Leslie numbers in year one and it wouldnt be considered struggling imo because he's not as skilled on offense
"I actually think Birch will play pretty wellbecause he is kinda like Davis in the fact that he doesn't need a play run for him in order to score. He works hard and attacks the offensive glass as well as run the break and score's from broken plays. I think he can put up C.J Leslie numbers in year one and it wouldnt be considered struggling imo because he's not as skilled on offense"
No. Birch can score off broken plays in HS, but he's a stringbean who is very raw offensively and who will play for a physical Pitt team in a physical conference. He also will be a foul prone defender. He's not as good as Leslie or Anthony Davis, not even close. And on top of that he'll be playing behind 3 experienced Big East frontline guys in Talib Zanna, Dante Taylor and Nasir Robinson. He probably won't factor much next season at all.
But how about its freshman being freshman. With some guys, I hate to say their going to struggle, because its all based on expectations. Like someone said previously, I don't think Perry Jones struggled as a freshman, he was solid, and actually played better than some thought he would considering his passive nature on the court. Barnes, we can say struggled based on expectations early. Will Barton didn't struggle, had a solid year for a frosh, led his team in scoring and won their conference tourney. Selby and Melo obviously struggled, again, relative to expectations. It just shows you how far things have come though, where we say freshman are struggling, when they are after all, freshman.
I just think he will be able to do the same in college. Of course no one KNOWS if he will be or not reguardless of how skinny he is since there have been many players who have done pretty well while being skinny but IMO i think he will do pretty well like some of the other skinny bigs who have doen well in college.
His calling card will be his defense though. And we don't know how foul prone he will be since he hasn't been foul prone when he has had to guard bigs. On top of all that he isn't known for offense so even if he averages 10ppg or a little less it wouldnt be struggling since he's not expected to score much anyway
You say Barton did not struggle but he was a top ten ranked recruit on ESPN and he is now barely being mentionned as a first round pick this year. He averaged 12.3ppg 4.9rpg 2.5turnovers a game and shot 27% from 3 while shooting 150 of them. He failed to reach double digit scoring 12 times.
Woah, MikeyV I was just kidding around. Its not even close to personal, I just tried to make a joke out of it. I have no connection to the guy, and my bad if I made it seem like I am a second grader that marvels everytime someone has the same name.(But it is an extremely rare.)
Ok, its debatable whether or not you can say Barton struggled. He certainly didn't set the world on fire either, and I'm not saying that. But again, it comes down to what you expected from him. This kid was painfully thin, and his overall game wasn't on a level to where he'd blow the comp away in his freshman year, thats how I felt. Yeah, he was a top level recruit, but what was the general expectations for him is the real question. Some thought he'd be a one and done candidate, some didn't have him in any mock drafts at all. Again, he played like a freshman, and we saw that with his questionable shot selection at times. He'll get better but I hate to say he struggled as just a freshman, although he coulda been much better last year.
Struggled compared to the expectations coming in sounds about right
Brad Beal might not get the minutes behind Walker Boynton and former All-American transfer Mike Rosario. It'll be interesting to see how Billy D deals with that. I could see Gilchrist struggling at least numbers wise on a team where there is so much talent and depth.
What I said about saying everything in person, I was saying that because it would be easier to say this was a misunderstanding. My "really now!", was in a joking tone, though I do think it is kind of funny that the reason you were bummed was because I criticized a person with your same name :). But, believe me, I am chill and fine, no offense taken this entire time. I do not understand why someone can joke around with me, but I can not joke around with them back, lol. I mean, really now! :)
I don't think Beal struggles because i read somewhere Billy D said he will play Beal at the three some and have a three guard offense. I also wouldnt be surprised if they ran that old Villanova 4 guard offense in many cases since they don't really have any one locked in at the four
That was my thought too but I didn't know who they had returning in the front court besides Young. I think that will be one of the most entertaining teams to watch. Beal reminds me of Eric Gordon in his size and abilities but also just in the way they look as well.
Its all good, and I you said it tight on the money, its hard to put your words into the tone or connotation you want to internet, but its all good.
"I just think he will be able to do the same in college. Of course no one KNOWS if he will be or not reguardless of how skinny he is since there have been many players who have done pretty well while being skinny but IMO i think he will do pretty well like some of the other skinny bigs who have doen well in college.
His calling card will be his defense though. And we don't know how foul prone he will be since he hasn't been foul prone when he has had to guard bigs. On top of all that he isn't known for offense so even if he averages 10ppg or a little less it wouldnt be struggling since he's not expected to score much anyway"
He's going to be foul prone, I've seen him play defense before and I can see his body. Granted I havent seen him play more than a couple of times, but a 6'9 200 PF playing in the Big East as a Fr. who already has a Bismack Biyombo-type approach to defense (blocking shots in HS does NOT make defense your calling card) screams foul trouble. He's playing behind guys who have Big East-caliber tools and strength in Dante Taylor, Talib Zanna who will emerge after showing flashes last year, and Nasir Robinson who has been in college forever. I guarantee Birch won't average anything close to 10 ppg. He will be buried on that depth chart by the conference swing.