They now have two first round picks and both are out of the lottery. The mock draft has them drafting a wing (Terrence Williams #24) and an undersized big (DeJuan Blair#15). Personally I think they should go with a back-up center in Mullens with the 15 pick. For the second pick they have Ellington and Evans going after Williams. I was impressed with Evans and Ellington's team is still in the tourney. I would choose Mullens with the #15 pick and Ellington with the #24 pick. Does anyone agree? Should they draft someone else? Who?
I agree with you, Bulls number 1 guy should be Mullens around the 15th pick or so. We need a bigman an he could really learn under Brad Miller next year. Plus he has a lot of potential. With the 2nd 1st rounder, i think the Bulls should grab the best player available, whether it be a PG or SG it doesnt matter. If you draft a backup PG that could make Hinrich expendible, if you draft a SG, it could be your backup to either Salmons or Gordon, whomever we keep. Blair is to small, he wont be nothing at the next level (ala Tractor Traylor) Tyreke wont be there,doubt Holiday will either, but Terrence Williams,Nick Calathes,Kyle Singler,Ellington,Toney Douglas,Darren Collison,Dionte Christmas all are options Bulls should look at.
I figured neither would be there but the mock says they might so I wasnt sure if they would be.
They already have a nice back up C Aaron Gray I don't think they need a 3rd one (+ they have Noah whos a nice shot blocker and great rebounder with a lot of potential and of course brad miller the vet) , What they really need is a back up for Ben Gordon ,I think they could use a great outside defender like Darren Collison , While Gordon rests he will be a great boost defensibly for the team.
for the second pick I think they need a PF to back up Tyrus Thomas
I agree that he is a good backup C but they hardly if ever use him and his contract expires after the season. Noah has been doing good as of late and who knows if they will keep Gordon, although they do want to. Collison wouldnt be a bad pick and also Noah can step in as a PF with Miller.
The Bulls have holes at SG (Ben Gordon will probably try and get $$ somewhere else) and C. Noah and Thomas are enough at the PF...and we can't afford to blow any more $$ or draft picks on it.
Pick 15 will be between Blair (who is a banger type PF that really plays like a center- I'd be ok with him) and Mullens, although I fear Mullens will be a bust. He really needs another year to get his &$#%#&@! together and learn how to play basketball against non-high schoolers. I vote Blair.
Pick 24 is interesting. I see the following possibilities:
Of them, Evans has the most upside, but Derrick Rose is the guard of the future for the Bulls and the ball will always be in his hands. Evans needs the ball to be effective and I don't think Rose and Evans work well together. Williams is a 2/3 tweener and plays a lot like Salmons already. Salmons and Deng are already fighting for PT.
I'd take Ellington. Safe pick and he could learn to play stronger defense. His upside is probably 15ppg, 4rgp, 3apg, 42% 3pt. Good role player to compliment Rose.
They need both a power forward and a center.
I say brackins or mullens with the 1st pick, the second, T-will(play him SG slasher, hustler, D, a little bit of everything 4 the team) should be a nice addition behind salmons(SG-SF) and deng, ellington is another option.
But i smell a trade, a pick+ hinrich(blazers-warriors...)
I'm not Chicago's owner, and therefore, I don't know for sure how high they would let their payroll go, but if they in fact aren't willing to give Ben Gordon big money, because of having too high of a payroll, then a good option for them would be to trade their 15th pick and Hinrich for expiring contracts so that they can sign him. They were rumored to be talking with the Wolves about such a trade at the deadline and I could really see a swap of Hinrich and the 15th pick for Brian Cardinal and Telfair. It doesn't sound like much, but the Gordan Rose Deng Salmons combo could be excellent and it would be dumb to let Gordan leave in favor of a 15th overall pick. Getting Blair at 24 could happen due to the comparisons he probably doesn't deserve, and if he's there I think it would be a good fit considering the Bulls lack inside scoring. Hansbrough and Patterson could be a plan B.
I think trading the 15 pick along with Hinrich would be smart. This draft is deep with point guards so finding a point at 24 should be easy. Also for a third pg they could pick up a veteran because there will a lot of vet available after a pg heavy draft. If they keep the pick, They need to pick up a center who has a inside game. I don't know is Mullens is that type of player. There are some other guys who are not big name that may be fill this need. I will say this as athletic as Mullens is and with Rose as the Point, drafting him could be a good move too.
Trading the 15th pick and Hinrich for Cardinal and Telfair?? That would be a steal for the Wolves. To the best of my knowledge, the bulls aren't one of the teams that are struggling to make ends meet so why trade off a starting caliber player and a 1st round pick for basically nothing? The Bulls are in a good position w/expiring contracts and draft picks but I think if they made a move it would be to get an impact player. They'd be better off trying to make something work for Bosh. If they did keep both the picks, I'd like to see them grab Mullens at 15. They don't need somebody to step in immediately and contribute. He could learn from Miller since he's on the roster one more year. w/the 24th they could grab a bigger SG. ..plenty of depth there.
I agree with OCDrummer82 and the fact that hinrich and the pick for a couple of scrubs. Mullens with the 15 pick is great with miller as a veteran prescence and Mullens can learn the life as a pro. With the 24 pick the big SG that seem to be available would be Williams, Ellington, and Evans. With Evans always wanting the ball, problems will occur with teammates, despite my liking of the man. Williams had a bad final game including 0-3 3pt fg finishing with 5 pts 6 reb and 4 asts. Im not blaming the loss on him (Samuels 0pts 0-7 fg) and Ellington didnt have to do much finishing with 9 pts 3 reb and 1 ast but hes on the better team. Do I think just because Ellingtons team won that the bulls should go for him, not exactly, but he has shown some consistency over the year. If they do pick up Williams I wont be upset or if they get Ellington I wont be jumping off the couch. Obviously it seems that both are going mid-late 1st round and will be good contributors off of the bench.
Paxon does have a tendency to draft players from winning programs. So Ellington could be a possibility. Especially if the bulls let gordon go, ellington could fill that roll as a spot up shooter. another guy who I would prefer at 15 is Aldrich, who could possibly be gone by then. He seems leaps and bounds ahead of Mullens. If the Bulls do re-sign Gordon, I'd like to see them take a look at Patrick Patterson if he declares and is available.
No way they draft mullins or blair with the 15th pick both would be a waste. I would rather we take terrance williams at 15 than either one of them, Because i dont think he will last to our second pick at 24. I think they should package the first pick and get a powerfoward. Keep the second pick and try to get wayne ellington. Like someone else said here he would be a great fit with rose and would be more complementary with the ability to spot up and shoot or pull up off the dribble and shoot. Rose needs that because he needs more pure shooters around him who can actually make shots. And Ellington can make shots.
I think Mullens because he would get mentored by Miller.He is going to turn out to be a role player,sixth man type.And with the Ben Gordon issue with his contract I think the Bulls should get a good scorer.A guy who can create his own shot and points off the bench.Wayne Ellington would be my choice.Tyreke evans or Terrance Williams but they aren't good of shooters.
The bulls dont need a power forward like they did when this season started. Tyrus Thomas is becoming more consistent and is a prescence down low with his 1+ block per game. Noah isnt starting material, should be backing up Miller, but still has shown some consistency and would be a decent 6/7 man as a PF/C. Another wing would be good to get in the draft, especially if Gordon walks, but if he doesnt then they could have a solid backup. Getting Williams or Ellington would bring some depth. What they should do is maybe get either Williams or Ellington with the 15 pick and then try to package Hinrich and the 24 pick for Bosh. It contradicts what I said earlier about no need for PF but getting an all-star would be nice. They may even have to package Tyrus or Noah to get him anyway, and Toronto wants another guard.
The Bulls need to let Ben Gordon walk. They tried to give him 10 mil a year for 5 or 6 years which would've been a death sentence for the Bulls cap flexibility. Unless BG is willing to come back for 6 mil a year and come off the bench: good riddance. I would love to replace Ben with Jeff Teague at 15 (or if he's gone) then AJ Price at 25. Not saying either can score as well as Ben, but at least both can handle the ball and would at least TRY on defense and I highly doubt they would whine as much about being a 6th man. Don't really think we need a big, maybe a back up 4, but if by some miracle Cole Aldrich is available at 15 I'd be ecstatic. Also think the Bulls need to add shooting from any position they can find it. Ellington would be interesting at 25. As for trade talks with Toronto, I'd be cautious not to give up too much for Bosh as they have a REAL shot at landing him as a free agent after next year anyway. I certainly don't want too give up Hinrich anymore (unless we HAVE too). He is the perfect backup/compliment to Derrick Rose. Would much rather trade Deng and try to extend Salmons.
Bulls do not need another PF. Go with Mullens and let Miller teach him all next year. The guy is just 19, and still growing into his body, plus he has good athleticism. Like someone said he would be a very good 6th man for us next year. I want Bosh, so if im the Bulls im looking into trading for him. Hinrich,Tyrus,Noah and future 1st or this years 1st for Chris Bosh. With the money you lose with Hinrich im re-signing Ben Gordon. Bulls also have a 2nd round pick from the Knicks this year, so with that ill grab a PG to back up Rose. Nick Calathes (Hinrich clone),Darren Collison,AJ Price,Toney Douglas,Marcus Thornton all would be great picks for the Bulls.
Deng, DaJuan Summers
Chris Bosh,Tim Thomas
Brad Miller, BJ Mullens
Tyreke Evans could be the replacement for Ben Gordon and could assume the same role, come off the bench and score points. BJ Mullens would be a project for them to develop, in the same way they did with Tyson Chandler, Eddy Curry, and now Tyrus Thomas and Noah. Mullens has a lot of potential and I think the Bulls could really turn into a decent player with a veteran like Brad Miller teaching him the game, or use him as trade chip for Chris Bosh or Amare Stoudemire.
He would be a good replacement for BG, but as it was mentioned earlier he demands the ball and Rose is already the go-to guy it seems, except late in games for a period. I agree with his ability to accept a role and score but with two guys always demanding the ball, there will be chemistry issues.
They could use a good wing man because Thomas isn't a true wing man he man play the 4 and have noah coming off the bench for a spark of energy and defense plus the still have Deng so they could draft Terrence Williams who could play the 2 or 3.
Williams might not be bad for the Bulls. Other wings I like for them: Tyler Smith, DaJuan Summers, Omri Casspi, Sam Young and Wayne Ellington. Damion James and James Johnson just seem too similar to Tyrus in the sense they are athletic forwards with average (at best) skill sets.
Interesting stat from espn.com's daily dime today for the person who wanted the Bulls to traded Hinrich and our 15th pick for Cardinal and Telfair ....
Sebastian Telfair and Brian Cardinal, Wolves: Minnesota's top two reserves both shot 2-for-9 from the field, combining for 11 points in 52 minutes on the floor.
Remember, Paxson ingeniously gave Luol Deng everything under the sun and then traded for Salmons. Both are great 2nd or 3rd options. No wings!
Don, I agree with the Mullens pick- at the same time that Rose develops into the all-star we all know he will be eventually, Miller can teach Mullens how to actually play basketball instead of just being tall and athletic. If Rose got good at tossing lobs/ally-oops, that could be a ferocious combo (if you saw any of OSU in the Big 10 tournament, you know what kind of soft hands Mullens has near the basket).
As I said before, I just don't see Tyreke Evans meshing with Derrick Rose. You just can't draft someone that jeopardizes the development of your franchise's biggest investment. I'm still on the Terrence Williams/Wayne Ellington/trade the pick with gordon or hinrich bandwagon. I always thought that Gordon would be a great fit for New Orleans as a microwave scorer. Maybe we could get a future 1st rounder from them and some cash consideration.
Thanks for the amazing stats drummer. I had no idea that Brian Cardinal and Telfair suck. Their value is in their contracts. I guess I didn't realize Hinrich was playing as well as he is, so giving up the 15th pick would probably be too much. In reality, I doubt Chicago even has a good idea of what Hinrich's value will be this offseason. There could be 10 legit point guard prospects in this draft and who knows how many teams would rather have Hinrich over them and the other PG free agents like Bibby and Andre Miller? So anyways, I don't know Hinrich's exact value and whether a team can afford to give him 10 million bucks a year or not, but I sure can't imagine a team lacking a great 3rd option in the mold of a Ray Allen to not be willing to give out 10 million for Ben Gordon.
relax man. I think we all know that they suck and the value is in their contracts. like I said in my original reply, I don't think the Bulls are one of those teams who NEED to make a trade like that for salary purposes. they have set themselves up pretty nicely for the summer of 2010 to make a run at Bosh whoever. My point was, that if they're going to make a trade, they should make a run for an impact player now rather then waiting and hoping they can get him in free agency. And the point of posting the stats was merely out of coincidence. what are the chances somebody mentions a trade for those two, then they both put up a stinker like that which ESPN highlights in their daily dime.