We know Anthony Davis is the clear cut first overall pick. Who is the Second overall pick and why. Assuming if the Washington wizard remains second round overall. Who should they pick at number two pick?
i think it would be nice if they picked up mkg/barnes, but the wiz could def go with t rob and pair him with nene, with wall and jenkins in the backcourt.
meaning that anything can happen. really, a case can be made for all three.
edit: bad answer, but it is what it is...
IMO, probs T-Rob, just too good to pass. Rough depth chart would be;
Wall - ??? - Mack
??? - Crawford (proven starter, but better suited as a 6th man IMO)
Vesely - Singleton
T-Rob - Booker
Nene - Seraphin (undersized, but a proven performer at this position)
For being a deep draft the value at 2 and 3 isn't very good. With that being said, I like robinson and think he's a paul millisap type player, or go with Drummond and hope he pans out. But, to take Drummond with 2 is a huge gamble.
I think it will Andre Drummond, his size athleticism and potential is too much for a bad team to pass up on.
if they are thinking big, they NEED to take t rob. he's the type of player they need. not another potential headcase/bust
they need that character guy/hard worker
I think it comes down to the team - its unlikely the wizards will have the second pick.. They might get the first, third, fourth or fifth pick who knows.....
So team needs for the team who picks second. Will they need a PF and take T-Rob or a SF and take MKG
I'm not saying he is worthy to be picked second, but teams that are up that high in the draft think about the potential that this guy can be the conrer stone of the team. And that is so extremely hard to come by than a charater hard worker.
The wizards could also trade Vesely and Singleton for the second or third pick so they could in theory take MKG and T-Rob.
Does anyone think Mkg could be a nice duio with wall? If they both can devlope a reliable jumper. Does anyone think MKG could be a nice duio with wall? If they both can devlope a reliable jumper. Wizards could be up and coming team. hard nose out hustle other teams. Plus Nene a post player inside and they add a few shooters.
you picturing t rob like that's all he is, a ""charater hard worker"". have you seen him pushing a break, he got more handles, better shot, and got better vision than buncha of guys labeled "SF/PF", and better rebounder with better inside game than bunch of guys labeled "C".
a get a feeling that as "charater hard worker", he too often gets tagged for having no skills. also a lot of people questioning his hops!? look at that dunk under subject!!! idk if its because of more talent, but unlike dru, t rob looks to dunk everything possible!
i wish i could just show you the video!
looks at this other vid under subject, that lob was outside of the backboard!
I seen the video He can get up good. He has allstar Potenial.
T-Rob will most definetly be a good player but due to his size at 6-8/6-9 his upside is not as high as some other prospects. He's a safe pick and that might be why the Wizards will take him he'll be a good fit since he's a skilled player, that's smart and tough who will bring some leadership to this wizards team.
The Wizards are a terrible team, and they could use an upgrade in many different positions. However, I think the power forward may outweigh the small forward position by a fraction. The Wizards drafted both Jan Vesely and Chris Singleton in last year's draft, and they seem to be high on both prospects. Vesely is growing as an offensive player, and he is already a scary athlete, with an amazing ability to finish above the rim. Singleton is a great defender on the perimeter and has also shown the ability to score when needed.
T-Rob is one hell of a prospect. He's an elite scorer on the block, grabs a lot of rebounds, and is a true leader, something the Wizards lack. I think if I was the Wizards with the #2 pick, I'd take T-Rob.
He sure would be an upgrade over Andray Blatche, that's for sure lol.
Personally I would go with Kidd-Gilchrist. PF are so easy to come by, and if you watch the Wizards play they have put Vesley at the PF spot for many stretches of games. MKG would give them an athlete to run with Wall, and would provide that versatile defender who can guard the all-star perimeter players in the east like Melo, Deng, Granger, and LeBron. He would also be a great rebounder, and if he ever develops that jump shot then he can be deadly.
Hahahaha. Fool I'm not saying I think that but teams do. I like T-Rob a lot. He can can defend sf and has some sf in his game, also defend pf that aren't huge. His offence is somewhat like Chris Bosh.
Assuming the Wizards end up with the second pick and Davis goes first then I'd still take Andre Drummond. They cleaned house by getting rid of Nick Young and McGee, but Nene isn't a long-term solution, and having him mentor a young player in Drummond who is very similar to a young Nene (athletic, drifts in and out of games, huge wingspan) on the finer points of post play until he's ready to take over is perfect for Washington. Drummond still has the highest upside of anyone in the draft, and with Nene in tow the Wizards don't need him to produce offensively immediately, and we already know he's a good shot-blocker and defender coming in.
Robinson reminds me too much of the Morris twins, Marcus Morris is not even in the rotation for Houston anymore and he was another hard-working, versatile guy who was "really skilled", but can't get past the fact that he is undersized.
Honestly, I wouldn't take Robinson until at least the 5th pick, I'd much rather have Davis, Drummond, Barnes and MKG before T-Rob.
Barnes even with his struggles? What kind of player you think Barnes can be in the nba? Allstar potenial or role player?
I like Robinson but I agree a 6'8 Power forward in the top 3 pics Naw.
I agree with For_Never_Ever on Andre Drummond
If I was a gm my board would be Barnes, MKG, T Rob, and Drummond in that order for the #2 pick.
I think that measurements will be huge for T Rob. If he comes in at 6'8 without shoes and gets a listing of 6'9 I could easily see him going number 2. If he comes in at 6'6 or 6'7 without shoes and gets a listing of 6'7 or 6'8 I think teams will step back on him a little.
I see the appeal of MKG he plays hard every possesion he steped up against big competion he is unselfish I know he has a lack of a jumpshot but other than that there's really nothing not to like about MKG.
We know Barnes can score. We know Barnes is not afraid of the big shot. He's another player that will fill whatever role is asked of him. I see him in a Luol Deng like role in the NBA.
Andre Drummond would be drafted based off all potential. Passing on Drummond could be passing on the next Howard. If I was a gm I wouldn't take the risk not on Drummond and go with Barnes, MKG, or T Rob at #2.
I Think it depends on who the pick goes too. T-Rob is a clear cut favorite him and MKG but dont over look Andre Drummond. if a team like the Blazers wins big in the lottery and gets the 2nd pick they go for drummond because they are good at PF, SF positions but if the Wizards get I Think they take MKG he will bring a diffent type of attitude to the team, but so would T-Rob!
MKG or T-Rob would be my pick, but MKG and Wall on the court at the same time would make teams zone up. They both cant consistantly knock down shots outside of 19 feet and the lane would be clogged. They would be ridiculous in the passing lanes and on breaks though. T-Rob and Nene would be tough though. A tough frontline a two character guys that can play out to 16 feet and both strong on the block is a great combo. That combo would lack elite length, but thats the only downside.
In the end Harrison Barnes at least for a year or two will be only as good as a healthy Rashard Lewis. Before you think that is the worst idea ever, consider RL could average 16 points a game pretty easily if he cared to. The fact they picked 2 over size small forwards in last years lottery crowds the position.
Jordan crawfrod-who i dont like at all
jan vessely/chris singlton
If they go with MKG then they could have a quick, athletic lineup of John Wall, Jordan Crawford, MKG, Jan Vesely, and Nene. That would be a dangerous team. That would be the future core, and they could add some shooters around those guys.
If I were the Wizards I would think of signing Eric Gordon or OJ Mayo in the offseason. That would give them a perimeter/wing rotation of Wall, Gordon/Mayo, Crawford (6th man), MKG, Shelvin Mack (shooter), and Chris Singleton.
Nene, Vesely, and Booker are the main inside threats then next year they can go after another big man. Perhaps Cody Zeller or Nerlens Noel if they get a high pick.
If they sign OJ Mayo he would give them 3 offensive creators with Wall and MKG. Then you have some nice athletes up front (Vesely, Singleton), an inside scorer and rebounder (Nene) with a shooters/scorers (Crawford/Mack) and rebounders (Booker) off the bench.
Depends on what u want. MKG with Wall leaves you a backcourt with no J. Why would you do that? How would you stretch the D?
worry about jump shooter later, they usually slip anyways. When you can get freak athletes that means alot on defense and transition. Who is the jump shooter on the Bulls...Kyle korver.Everyone else plays defense. i rest my case
Charlotte - Thomas Robinson - If the Bobcats don't win the lottery, I think they'll choose a player who can add defense, toughness and produce right away. Jordan doesn't want to wait around and rebuild for 3 more years, and Robinson is one of the most NBA ready players in the draft from a rebounding and physicality standpoint.
Washington - MKG - Washington is searching for a new identity and although they drafted Vesley last year who's been playing well lately, he's also a guy who can play the 4. MKG brings toughness to the Wiz and is a guy who can play D and get up and down the court with Wall.
Cleveland - Bradley Beal - I think Cleveland will try to put together a back court with Kyrie Irving and I think Beal would fit right in. They drafted a PF last year in Thompson, which would not make any sense to draft Robinson, and I think Cleveland wants more scoring at this point in their rebuilding.
Sacramento - MKG - Sacramento needs a small forward and with Barnes also available I think they go for the guy with more passion to add a spark to the Kings lineup. They have plenty of scoring already and defense is certainly a need for them.
First of all T Rob brings the same skill set as Booker and second MKG is Stacey Augmon with no jumper so you have to go with Barnes for much needed scoring on the wing or Drummond who has the physical skills to be special at a position that is hard to come by
@JoeWolf1; I beg to differ on Charlotte taking Thomas Robinson 2nd overall. With Davis off the board it has to be Barnes, Jordan is a businessman first, owner second, and Barnes has a lot more marketing potential in the state of North Carolina than Thomas Robinson. Attendance would make an immediate jump with the local college star in the fold.
You make a good point, omphalos. That could certainly be a factor in the decision, but I've cooled on Barnes a little bit and I think MKG or Robinson would really benefit that team because of their motors. Charlotte is currently starting B.J. Mullins at the 4 spot and despite having improved after finally given a chance to play, I feel PF is their biggest need.
I think M.J. will not go with Barnes that high, but could nab him at 4 or 5 if they get that pick. Ray Felton and Sean May didn't exactly pan out, so I don't think he'll go UNC over BPA.
Barnes. I know it seems funny to say this now before he's even in the NBA but is there much difference between his and Kevin Durant's game?
Barnes does play similar to Durant in some ways, but he is much more limited. Durant is a much more explosive athlete, and can make plays attacking the rim and in transition with athleticism. Durant is also easily the better shooter and is even taller and longer. Durant's ability to shoot almost unblockable shots with great accuracy is key to his success. Durant also excels at getting to the free throw line, but Barnes has shown little in the way of drawing contact and fouls. Barnes is almost to eager to try to create separation from his defender.
Barnes could do well to model his game after Durant, but Durant's physical gifts and shooting ability are hard to come by.
I disagree that Barnes struggles to get to the FT line, Durant gets fouled more in the paint, but Barnes is brilliant at getting people in the air with a pump fake to get to the line.
@JoeWolf1; I agree that PF is a gaping hole, but looking at the upcoming draft classes I feel there are a number of great prospects at the 4, and only two with more upside than Barnes at the SF - Parker and Wiggins - and they are both too young for MJ to gameplan for at this stage. Furthermore, I genuinely think Barnes is better than Robinson, so I don't think BPA is as much of a consideration.
To be honest Thomas Robinson reminds me a little of Jeff Green, and I think people are really sleeping on Barnes, he was playing with White as his starting PG, what SF thrives under those conditions? This is going to be one of the most intriguing drafts in a long time, everything after the first pick is completely up in the air.
There is a lot of difference between their games, Barnes is a big guy who is constantly criticized for not hitting the glass, while Durant averaged over 11 rpg in college and is an 8 rpg NBA player. Durant also has better athleticism and length and Durant has always used that to get whatever shot he wants. Its hard to block a jumper that's being released at 11 feet.
Durant is also a better shooter, he's never shot under 80% from the stripe in college or the pros and was over a 40% shooter from the college 3. Things Barnes cannot say.
Barnes doe use a pump fake well, but he doesn't challenge defenders at the rim much. He did improve at getting to the free throw line as a sophmore, but he still didn't shoot nearly as many free throws as a sophmore as Durant did as a freshman in college (3.4 per game for Barnes as a freshman and 5.1 per game for Barnes as a sophmore vs. 7.3 per game for Durant as a freshman). I also would say that unless Barnes can establish himself as a slasher, he is not going to be able to challenge at all for any scoring titles.
Then I would go Barnes or MKG. Probably Barnes because I like his game and ability to spot up when Wall drives.
If I'm the Wizards I would take a long hard look at Beal. If Wall could get a legit threat from the outside, it would open up the game for everyone else on the team. I like MKG more than most but his lack of a jumper is going to hurt that team.
Who is the shooter for the Wiards now that Young has been traded? Vesely? No. Singleton? No. Wall? No. Crawford is the closest thing to a threat that they have but Crawford is shooting 29.8% from behind the arc this year.
The Wizards need a shooter and they are not as easy to come by as people make it seem.
i agree that washington might have a good fit in beal and im hopping he goes there. thats why i wish the wizz drop in the draft after those ping pong balls go so that they wouldnt be tempted with "better prospects".
With Washington they already have a fairly deep frontcourt when Nene returns, Seraphin has looked dcecent in recent games and Booker looked okay in the games I saw. If we assume they want Blatche out of there then they could consider Robinson if they thought he was a clear long term up grade over Booker and Seraphin which his draft position suggests he should be.
That would move Vesley more to SF to compete alongside Singleton for minutes.
MKG could be a decent fit for Washington as they could use him at SF and maybe SG for a bit, this allows minutes to be shared around the roster. Barnes likewise could do the same role that MKG would and I think the Wizards will take a long look at both Beal and Lamb for if they get the right guy alongside John Wall then that could be thekey going forward.
They will of course do their homework on Drummond and have him in for workouts to try and see what his potential really is.
If we are just talking about the 2nd pick generally then I feel it could be anyone of Barnes, MKG, Robinson or Drummond behind Monobrow Man.