what's going on, i'm looking at the prospects this year and assuming the Cavs finish with a top 5 pick who will they draft in your opinion??
I'm kind of torn on Nerlens Noel, Alex Poythress, and Shabazz. With them drafting Tristan Thompson to man the 4 spot and possibility of shopping Andy Varejo I would take Nerlens and have him man the 5 for his career due to not a high offensive skill (Anthony Davis) I would run him at the 5.
Poythress is a worse case scenario and I don't mean that insult he a beast. Just saying if they are drafting 4th or 5th, He would be good to play the 3. I think that's where his future lies not as a tweener or a 4 just a straight 3.
Shabazz, i'm very high on him and think you could get away with playing him at the 3 assuming he gets into better shape then what he is now I watched his 1st game against georgetown and said damn he got fat lol. Nah but he'll be good. Just wondering if you guys think he can be a 3 at the next level 6-6 225 seems sufficient to me, and i doubt it would make sense to bring him or waiters off the bench.
I like Ben Mclemore but I don't know about him playing the 3 at 6-5 even though he a beast just don't see it he will be nasty in the l tho
Let me know what you guys think disagree, agree whatever on as far as what the cavs will look to do come draft time
Best player available, they still need a small forward and more front court depth. Am I the only one that has not been impressed by Tristan thompsons play this year?
Im pretty disappointed in his play as well. For as much as what was written on him this past offseason with him putting in a ton of work in the gym, his game has not evolved and can be argued that it may have taken a small step back.
Hes back playing his natural position at the 4, and his only numbers that have gone up from last year is him averaging +1 rebounds while averaging 7 more minutes.
As far as the draft goes, the obvious choice is Shabazz if they think he'll be able to play the 3 spot. He'll get in better shape by the time he's drafted, unless he pulls a Waiters, another Cavalier of all comparable players, and just go through the motions until training camp.
I like Poythress also, I see the true potential in him as a solid 3.
I like Noel, only if they decide to move on from Varejao though.
I can also see them trading down to aquire more assets in younger players or more draft picks, especially if they let all their free agents walk. There is a real possibility of only having 6 players on the books for next season if they dont resign Boobie Gibson, and dont pick up the options of Miles, Leuer, Pargo, Caspi.
I think a better question would be if there is anybody impressed by Thompson's play. His rebound rate for a supposed energy player is just ok. His TS for a finisher is poor.
If I were the Cavs I'd take BPA. I'd look at anything but a PG.
I'm a big fan of Poythress too, looks like a potential deadly inside outside scoring threat; I think Cleveland should just take Bazz or whoever is the best player left as they don't have to hit a home run in this draft, they can do that next year. I hope they trade Varejao; his value is insanely high and the sooner the better as he has been significantly hurt the last 2 years
If the Cav's had the 5th overall pick and wanted a SF, and McAdoo and Poythress were on the board who would you grab and turn them into a SF?
McAdoo has no SF skills whatsoever, so if those were the options I guess I'd take Poythress.
If they hadn't picked Dion Waitors this year, I would say Ben McLemore would be a good fit. But I think they should target Shabazz or Poythress, or maybe even move down and get Otto Porter
Shabazz or Porter would be who I'd go after if I was looking for a 3. Don't need a PG.
If they dont get a sf like Shabazz or Poythress I'd say trade down and take someone like Tony Mitchell or Glenn Robinson and veteran PF or C. If their moving Varejao, I'd def go after Noel. I dont think they need a point or sg, nor another young pf. If I'd be looking to shop my picks before I'm sold on anyone else in this draft.
Big Z was in Croatia about month ago watching Saric practice
I like the thought of Otto Porter. A glue guy that will do a bunch of things to make the team better. Top 5 may be too high for him but you never know with a weak draft. I like either Poythress or Porter to the Cavs. It is a team that still needs a good amount of pieces. Their starting 5 is almost there but their bench will need work as well.
If the Cavs could trade down, I would like them to pick two sf's Glenn Robinsons jr and Lebryan Nash to double the odds of having a starter just in case if one doesn't pan out, then they're still have a back-up for the 2 and 3 position.
The Zeller brothers at Pf and C, Tristan Thompson backing them both up and a decent Sf in free agency or trade...Next to Kyrie and Dion, any good Sf will do, I'd get another Big Guy and trade Varejoe for a Lottery pick and some depth at Sg and Sf
Imagine if they picked Barnes.. instead of Ball hard Waiters, then got Ben mac next year.... O Dan Gilbert, Smh
and picked valenciunis last year instead of tristan thompson. Then all they would need is a power forward, which they could trade varijao for, or sign paul milsap or al jefferson in free agency and then they would be set
1) Kyrie - 2011
2) Waiters - 2012
3) insert top 5 pick here - 2013
4) Thompson - 2011
They could have had
1) Kyrie - 2011
2) Shabazz or B-Mac - 2013
3) Barnes - 2012
5) Valanciunas - 2011
I'm Sorry but I think Waiters will prove to be the better NBA prospect out of the 2
For Cleveland, I'd assume they would look for an SF so in my mind that is Bazz or Porter but they could consider a young big man as Thompson and Cody Zeller are both works in progress and Varejao is 30 now and they may decide to cash in on him if this trade value was high. Also the thought of the two Zeller brothers together on the roster would look appealing.
I don't see them really trading down as this year Chris Grant consolidated draft picks and still had two top 17 picks to go with a double top 4 pick last year. Add in the picks due from Miami so if anything Cleveland might be looking to trade up.
As they have decided to rebuild by the draft I think they have to stick to their guns and not trade picks away for a short term fix, if they could get a quality player in return for Varejao then fair enough but at worse if they were high lottery in 2014, they could get a shot at Wiggins, Jabari Parker etc.
I think they won't stay at their projected top 3/4 pick once Kyrie returns for good. I expect them to drop in near the 7-9 range.
I'd say their priorities are:
1. Small Forward, particularly one who isn't ball dominant and can defend. The guy who stands out as a potentially great fit is Otto Porter, especially if he can develop a reasonable catch-and-shoot game. He'd be an excellent intangibles player with Kyrie and Waiters doing all the shot creating. He'd make sense near the bottom of the top-10. I don't think Nash or Saric would be particularly great fits. Poythress is a big maybe, but it's tough to say. They also have a late-1st, with which they can possibly look at guys like Adonis Thomas and Anthony Bennett.
2. Defensive big man. Varajao has proven to be great at what he does, but might be best served as trade bait. Zeller fits the "offensive big" bill, while Thompson is the hustle big, but both look more like rotation players/spot starters rather than long-term stud starters. In other words, I think long-term they're suited to be the #2 and #3 bigs on the team, and what they need is a legit #1. Noel might be that guy, but I have my doubts about his motor and skillset. Len is another option, especially if AV is gone. Gobert would be a big risk, but he may be worth it near the bottom of the top-10.
No one mentioned Alex Len. Like most people said, Tristan Thompson is a bum, I think everyone was shocked when he they took him 4th overall. Tyler Zeller could possibly be a solid backup but I am not a fan at all. They need everything besides PG and drafting Len would make them solid at the two most important positions- PG and C.
Alonzo Gee is only 25 and has showed much improvement.. he is a good defensive player who can score between 12 and 16 ppg i do not htink they will look there they need a solid scoring post presence.. to me they will look at a pf or a center if the deal varejao
You're totally right about Gee improving, but he is realistically a 6th man on a Championship caliber team. He lacks confidence when he gets open spot-up looks which really hurts them.
As most have already stated, SF or another big would make the most sense.
However, you're forgetting that the Cavs have taken the 'unexpected' the last two years at #4.
So, lets say the Cavs have the #3 pick.. Shabazz, Zeller, Noel, Len, Poythress, Potter all make sense. So, I think it will be....
I think people are overlooking Tristian Thompson, last year he excelled when Anderson Varejao was hurt, I expect once Varejao gets dealt (hopefully to OKC for the Raptors pick) Tristian will impress.
As for who the Cavs select I'm pulling for either Bazz or Poyth at this point in the season.
I see Cleveland winning more games and improving overall once Irving returns. That said, I see them earning a late lottery pick, and feeling no need to hit a homerun. I see them shocking us and taking Saric. Thompson was taking too high to give up on him so soon. That said, he and Noels didn't fit as neither will bring any kind of post offense. I actually like Saric, and if he and Waiters pans out, can you imagine 3 ball handlers/playmakers that can initiate the offense on the floor at once? Scary.
If I'm the Cavs I would think long and hard about trading this years pick for some veteran help on the wing and/or someone's 2014 1st rounder. Lets face it there is few if any "stars" in this 2013 draft class. Why not trade the pick to a team say Pacers? And get Granger and maybe a first rounder next year. Next year draft class is FAR superior and stocking up picks for that class would probably be smarter.
Sounds like a playoff team in 2013/2014
Cavs maybe should trade the pick for a young vet who plays a position they need. Having too many young players does not equal wins.
I know they drafted waiters last year but I really believe if they take B-mac an trade waiters for a top 15 pick this year as well an can get Nash from okie state they can have a quick rise to the the playoffs as a low seed. Stay clear of Noel tho I'm telling u he might not be a bust but he will not deserve a top ten pick in the draft.
They need a SF, I think a guy like Poythress would be a good fit. They have stock in Thompson as their PF of the future and I doubt he'll average more than 12 ppg at any point in his career, so more scoring for the Cavs is a must. Poythress is a guy who is big, strong, could probably play a few minutes at the PF position and can score at the position.
Shabazz or Ben would be a good fit too because both can score at the 2 position and they could move Waiters to a high minute bench role, where he could be an elite 6th man backing up both guard positions. I just don't buy him shooting 15 shots per game as a starter playing primarily the 2 guard. He's a combo best used in spurts, not as a guy to be a 35 mpg #2 option.