This is not a trade idea per se just a discussion.
Harrison Barnes for Ben McLemore and a swap of the contracts Brandon Rush and Mareese Speights or Alonzo Gee/CJ Miles(TO). Speights is likely to opt out and Rush just opted in, so this is 4 million more GS can have to keep or use on Jarrett Jack.
Maybe even Barnes and Lee for McLemore and Thompson. I really like and respect TT but the Cavs or sources have him going in every rumor. This would save GS about 7 million this year and David Lee has 3 years and 43 million left on his deal. That alone should make up for any thoughts of weighing Barnes playoff heroics against McLemore's unproveness. Lee's deal might just be to long but the Cavs could take Richard Jefferson's contract instead.
Barnes is a proven commodity whose stock is at its height and would go one in this draft but McLemore would let Klay Thompson play more three because he can't guard shooting guards. GS was originally planning on moving Thompson to the 3 before Barnes fell in there lap, playing him there at the end of the 2011 season. What would the true shooting percentage of a Curry, McLemore, Klay Thompson line up be. It was rumored that they would do just that and draft Waiters but he went early in the spot that Barnes was projected would go. Lee is hurt and his contract and lack of defense is making him a metric albatross.
What side would turn it down and what would they want instead.
I don't see the warriors trading Barnes no matter what this offseason.
would turn no matter what upside down. He had a hell of a series but Lee and Barnes for Tristan Thompson and McLemore would get done in a heart beat by the Warriors.
what do you mean klay thompson can't guard shooting guards. He did a great job guarding Tony Parker this year and Tony is as quick as they come. I like Golden State and I like Barnes. I wouldn't do that trade if I were the warriors. I would rather have the lineup curry, thompson, barnes for my team.
The Warriors would say no.
Ben McLemore is not and will not be better than Harrison Barnes on either end of the floor.
The Warriors would turn down this deal..just to answer your question.
that I didn't propose. Instead of actually having to come up with a good idea for the ones that make sense?
Barnes and Lee for McLemore and Tristan Thompson
Barnes and Jefferson for McLemore and Tristan Thompson
Barnes and Rush (4 mil guaranteed) for McLemore and Speights(PO for 4.5)/CJ Miles(TO for 2.2) (or a 19 pick, new addition)
I'm assuming that the OP isn't super high on Barnes. If so, the Warrior organization disagrees with you. He exceed all expectations in his rookie season. Plus, he may be the best athlete on the team as well as one of the least injury prone.
Barnes could easily become the Warriors second option 3-4 seasons down the line.
And so Barnes is worth at least double maybe triple his rookie deal because if Lee was a free agent then he would get a 3 year 21 million dollar deal. He is paid about 22 more million over three years than that, so Barnes would have to be worth the extra 22 million Lee is owed and whatever else the Warriors will have to pay because there at the cap. Then add on the value of Tristan Thompson and maybe a 19th pick. No way in hell is he worth that much but this wasn't a trade idea anyway it was just being bored and wanting to have a conversation about value. The thread didn't turn into a discussion so I guess it was a failure.
It is a discussion. You're right that Lee's contract is bogging down the Warriors. But he's still a quality player despite being overpaid. No need to throw a gem prospect like Barnes in the deal just to shed Lee's contract. But again, I'm much much higher on Barnes than you are.
Your really undervaluing Lee if you think he is only worth a 3 yr 21m then pretty much every team in the league would be offering him. While he's not worth the 12-15m he's getting paid now I believe he is worth about 10 million a year. He's at least an 18 and 10 guy who can legitimately get you buckets from the lowpost and mid range. Remember he was an all star this year I feel they really missed him this year in the playoffs during those games against San Antonio where they blew 4th quarter leads. He could have scored a couple times inside when they really needed it.
OP is a cleveland fan i'm guessing or at least a waiters fan by his image. Why would GSW give up two of their core to get Mclemore and Thompson. Barnes is what Mclemore is right now but about 3 inches taller. Yes Mclemore is a better shooter but Barnes is a better defender and plays 3 which lets Klay play the 2. What makes you think Klay can't guard 2s he's actually improved alot at that and did a pretty good job guarding parker and lawson(a bit) this playoffs who are two of the quicker guys in the league. Klay is a 2 guard and trading barnes for mclemore would only force him to play 3 and have him defender bigger guys which is harder for him than guarding 2s. IMO this trade really doesn't do gsw any good but really just cleveland.
Even adding the other players doesn't benefit GSW that much. Lee is a perennial double double guy who gives you about 18 and 10 every night and gives you a legit inside option and is a perfect compliment to the shooters they have on the wing. Your Barnes/Jefferson for Mclemore/Thompson doesn't really make sense either since that trade would leave GSW with two players who would become backups for GSW since at the moment Klay and Lee are better than Mclemore and Thompson.
So to answer the OP's question GSW would be the one to turn down this deal or any deal centered around these players.
I agree with most of what you said but of course Barnes and Lee are better than McLemore and TT, they also make twice times as much. For a team so close to the cap with Bogut 13 mil for another year, Lee 13, 15, 15 for the next three, Curry just got a 11 million extension kicking in next year, plus Jefferson at 10 and Biedrins at 9 million they should be cash trapped. Lee/Barnes 17 mil, McLemore/TT 8 million. They could keep Jack and Landry with that 10 million.
But is it worth giving up two starters to save some money when Biedrins and Jefferson both come off the books after next year? IMO no Warriors are finally at a point where they're a playoff team and are improving why break that up just to save some money.
[Curry Thompson Barnes Lee Bogut] is worth it over [Curry Mclemore Thompson Thompson Bogut] just to save some money.
Yeah but I will say that they don't have to save the money, they could spend it somewhere else. Plus Ezeli is out for almost the whole season and Bogut could be out whenever.