Let me start out by saying that I think walker is a good player. But if Jordan wants to win championships, he and the front office here must realize there are factors that have to be in place. 1. You MUST have at least 2 players ranked in the top 10 in their position 2. No top 10 free agent will ever come to Charlotte on their own, so you have to trade for one if you decide to build through free agency 3. Kemba Walker is not a top 10 PG and wont be. And for that matter he isn't a pure point to make up for that. 4. Kemba Walker is your best tradeable asset. (MKG is absolutely off limits right now obviously) I know this seems controversal but if you along with me are one of the 10 people who watch bobcat basketball, you can see my point.
Kemba has a ton of talent, he can be as good as he wants to be with hardwork, I woudn't get rid of him just yet, he was one of the brightest spot on that team this year, if not the brightest.
Oh course kemba has talent we can all agree on that. But he is not an ELITE player and he won't be. That's what Charlotte needs or any team needs in order to win Chips. That's why Jordan traded away Wallace and Jackson because that team was in the dreaded middle of the pack.
No reason to trade him. There is nothing you can trade him for that makes you a better team. Let him develop and at the very worst he is your backup PG off the bench. He is by no means irreplaceable, but he is a cheap talent for the next few years.
I almost agree with you tyrober. Except walker is definitely worth a lottery pick. Convert the pick into a position other than sf or pg, get a pass first pg, and let your young core grow into something real hopefully
@tripledoubtscout. There is noone that is willing to give up a lottery pick for Walker. Kyle Lowry would almost average a triple double for parts of last season and a borderline allstar was just traded for a lottery pick. People like making their own picks unless they get an allstar player and that isn't Walker
How do you know if Kemba can't be ELITE? I'm not saying he will but I wont say he won't either, he is lightning quick can handle the ball and create for others and his self, he is small, but 3-4 years from now he could be really really good, I'm never betting against him again after what he did for UCONN.
I think that the Bobcats will get the first pick next year. If so, then Cody Zeller would be a great fit as a scoring big man.
He would complement Bismack Biyombo well. Then they have MKG at the wing and Kemba Walker at point guard.
Give that team a few years and see how they do before blowing it up.
Cody Zeller could turn into a top 5 or 6 center with MKG being a top 10 small forward, and Biyombo being a top 5 shot blocker. If that happens they don't need for Kemba Walker to be the best point guard in the league,
just a top 15 one who can score. I think that all those things are possible.
Gerald Henderson and Jeff Taylor should be ok as glue guys off the bench at the 2 and 3.
If they can turn their other players into assets (even just 2nd round picks and expiring contracts) their
future will be looking up.
If they want a shooter/scorer at the 2 then why don't they go after OJ Mayo? He wouldn't be THAT expensive and could produce
for the Bobcats next year. OJ is not a superstar first option, but if they can get Cody Zeller in next year's draft he would be an ideal fifth guy for their core and the 3rd/4th scorer behind Zeller, Kemba, and maybe even MKG. Those four along with Biyombo at the 4 would be a good young starting five.
you have nothing to back up you argument, so do put a random opinion on here like that, with that said. Kemba had a 37% FG and 31% 3PT FG.
Iverson had a 42% FG and 34%3PT FG in his rookie year while
ty lawson shot 50% from the field and 41% from 3 in his rookie year, even
Jameer nelson shot 46% from the field and 32% from 3 in his rookie season.
isaiah thomas on the kings shot 45% from the field and 38% from 3 last season
I cant really think of any other shorter point guards who were supposed to be decent NBA players, if you can you can add them, but judging by those players kemba did terrible, I think he can be decent, but it is clear best case the bobcats can hope for is probably a jameer nelso type player who might sneak into an all star game and provide 10 to 12 years of average point gaurd play. I don't think he is worth a lottery pick in a trade either.
Phila if you haven't noticed, not only did I back up my argument point for point my argument was also proved by all the people disagreeing with me. One poster even objected to me saying kemba will never be elite therefore your theory about him having no trade value isn't true according to every post and person that gave me negs soooo....
You backed up you argument with thoughts. You told us what you thought, but you showed us no proof of why it is true. I agree with it sort of, like the heat, lakers. The spurs an celtics had 3 top 10 players at their positions during their championships. The mavs and pistons had great teams. I think it is more 2 top 3 players at their positions to win a title, or ya 2 top 10 players at their positions to contend.
Well here are 10 top point guards better than kemba: paul, d will, rubio, nash, irving, westbrook, rose, parker, jennings, rondo. I could argue a few more.
Champs:Kobe. Shaq. Gasol. Lebron. Wade. Duncan. Robinson. Parker. Dirk. Chandler. Billups. Hamilton. Garnett. Pierce. Jordan. Pippen.
Top Free Agent Superstars signed since Bobcats joined NBA: none.
There's your proof brother. If I'm wrong about any of this, I should no longer be allowed to watch sports lol
Ok, I agree that all of the 10 point guards you listed were better than Kemba, but you must also look at the circumstances. All 10 of those point guards started for their respective teams last year while Kemba had to come off the bench and play with the second unit, hence the low assist numbers. Also, Kemba played for Charlotte last season...that's really all the argument I need. He was stuck as the only player on the second unit on the worst team in NBA history that had any idea of what they were doing. Of course he was going to put up a lot of shots in the hopes that he could help the team out. His percentages were less than desirable, but it doesn't mean you should write him off after one season when he played backup to D.J. Augustin on the worst team in NBA history (I literally can't emphasize that part enough: worst team in NBA history). He shot the ball a lot because it's what he did in his junior year at UConn, when he lead them to a National Championship. Besides, most executives and analysts said he would have a tougher time adjusting to the larger defenders in the NBA. While it was slightly easier to put up just about any shot he wanted around the rim in college, defenders who play PF and C in the NBA are much larger, and therefore were able to alter his shots more. Give him another season to put it all together again, and Kemba will be back to driving the lane like his UConn days of old.
I understand that as a Charlotte fan, you want to try and find the quickest solution as soon as possible. You're tired of losing, which is understandable and frustrating, to say the least. But they drafted Kemba and Biyombo with a purpose in mind. They want to emulate what the Thunder have done. Notice: Kemba; first-shoot PG-->Westbrook; first-shoot PG. Also, Biyombo; defense/block-first PF/C-->Ibaka; defense/block-first PF/C. Granted, I don't see Durant's kid brother walking through the doo in Charlotte anytime soon, but they're trying to build on something very delicate; this process will take time, and you've just got to learn to be patient about it.
non of them played for the Bobcats of last year... enough said.
@memphis first and foremost,IF THEY CATS WIN THEY DRAFT SHABAZZ...Mkg and shabazz make a freak show on the wing in terms of size,drive,and power.
Kemba has reached half if not most of his upside staying in college. There isn't much more he does besides score and play hard and he does a fine job of that.Explosive pgs who are scorers more then passers like kemba are a cautionary tale one end of the spectrum the only thing that can stop those type of pg are themselves.The other end injury will come and they might not be the same because there game is based on being a human bullet but when slowed down cant produce wins .Baron davis,The franchise, etc.
Idk what they should do what kemba I was ??? at the drafting of kemba also with dj already there and getting mins as a starter because felton gone. He is one heck of a player I would keep him around why not.
sounds great, but what do you think they can get for him? It's still difficult under this CBA to trade rookie contacts for value. Most likely they will have to wait till after he signs his RFA contract to trade him. By then, his value may go way up or way down.
Okay Sonic and Memphis madness, let's not talk about the 2013 draft. All you're posing is a bunch of what ifs. We don't know if the Bobcats will win the lottery next year, no one does. Its freakin' 11 months away. We don't even know who will be the top player at that time. Needs aren't even close to being determined. This is all superstition, and its just pointless to be talking about the future when you don't even know what you have right now.
Now about Kemba, NJ Brown said it very well. Kemba did the only thing he could do. What do college stars do when they are on bad teams or for that matter small market teams? They put up a whole bunch of shots and don't really pass to other teammates, not because they can't pass or they don't want to, but because its for the best. Its what their team needed. He played on the worst team in the NBA, what else was he supposed to do?
Wait, be patient. OKC did not turn into a championship team overnight. Their first two years after moving from Seattle, they sucked. Even with Durant, Westbrook and Ibaka they sucked. It took them awhile, but they were patient and were willing to lose alot inorder to be great later on. Thats the kind of team the Bobcats are trying to build. I understand you want to win now, but if you just keep trading a player whenever it doesn't work out then your not gonna get anywhere. You aren't consistent, you never know what you have so you can't even look to the future like I said before. Patience, no one said it would be easy, they just said it would be worth it. So give it time. If Kemba still hasn't helped the bobcats in say two years then we'll talk, but for now you've got to be patient. Rome wasn't built in a day and neither is a championship team.
Why are you guys giving up on kemba after his first season? He didn't shoot the ball well but he showed leadership, playmaking ability, and tbd the drive to get better this guy at best can be Tim hardawayish as he has nasty handles as well or a Jason Terry type player that cones off your bench as an electring scoring sixth man
Yeah ok...but as long as we keep B.J.
This pretty much sums up the amount of talent on the roster:
I think it might be a good idea to trade him now. I think he's at best a 6th man type, and I'm not sure his value will ever be higher than it is now since he's still really young and is seen to have potential. The longer they wait, the more his value will go down around the league IMO.
Only knock I have on Kemba is that he doesn't make his teammates better. He didn't in college. No doubt he can score. He's got to be coached and garner some consistency.
@UnderKanter I hear you ,your one of the few ppl that are right most of the time on here.Kemba did take shots hard contested shots because he had litte scoring help and floor spaceing because poor 3 point shooting.This year will be the same MKG has a long way to go on the offensive end but he is in the right place.Pairing his style of player with kemba will make the cats one of the most competitive scrappy teams get your popcorn ready.They shouldn't rush to trade him just yet hes not awful but kemba being their starting pg of the next 6 years im not sure the bobcats front office is unpredictable.
We will wait till the 2013 but even if a player stock rises and hold the #1 spot in every mock the number 1 player on the bobcats draftlist should be Bazz....a once in a 5 year type of talent.
Okay, Sonic that's your opinion. We all have the right to our own opinion. But are you the Bobcats GM, I don't think so. Are you a fortune teller, I don't think so. So as much as I'd like to agree with you, the realist also comes out in me. Its freakin' 11 months away. Let's take this with a "wait and see" kind of approach. You might be right in the end, but you also might be very wrong.