I was watching the 1987 draft yesterday since nbatv has nothing else to offer these days and to think seatle and Chicago swapped Scottie pippen and olden polynice has got to be the worst draft day trade ever. So I did some research and honestly that was the only trade that proved to be a complete mistake. Especially what we know now. Thoughts?
that and Robert Tractor Traylor for Dirk
Hornets trading Kobe for Vlade Divac...
Brandon Roy for Randy Foye, LaMarcus Aldridge for Tyrus Thomas and Kevin Love for OJ Mayo were some pretty bad recent trades off the top of my head.
in hindsight it was a bad trade (Pippen) but at the time no one knew how big that trade would turn out to be so if you are talking about when it happened, it wasnt a bad trade at all.
I thought the Kobe trade was the worst ever because when it happened, I just couldnt understand why the Hornets would want to give up that pick for a guy with that much hype and upside. At the time I didnt know that the Hornets never wanted Kobe anyway and that deal had been facilitated the day before. So had the Lakers not wanted him, Charlotte was NOT gonna pick him anyway. Still a dumb trade.
Traylor for dirk although extremely lopsided pippen for olden is worst. Kobe's trade is on the same level. Good call
Divac for Kobe may have been a lobsided trade but at least Divac was a quasi-allstar type player. Taylor and Polyniece were mediocre role players throughout their career. With that being said, I'd say that Pippen for Polyneice was the worst draft day trade since I still consider Scottie Pippen to be better than Dirk Nowitzki in his prime.
2009: Wizards trade #5 pick to T-Wolves for Randy Foye and Mike Miller (who were only 1-year rentals and didn't really contribute.)
I heard the exact opposite. The Hornets wanted Kobe but Kobe had stars in his eyes and would not play for any other team but New York or the LA. The rest is history. Divac was a pretty good player, even when that trade was made. You honestly think that the Hornets did not value Kobe and would demand a player of Vlade's stature in return?
According to Arn Tellem, Bryant's agent at the time, Bryant playing for the Charlotte Hornets was "an impossibility". However, Bill Branch, the Hornets' head scout at the time, said that the Hornets agreed to trade their draft selection to the Lakers before picking Bryant. The teams agreed to the trade the day before the draft and the Lakers did not tell the Hornets who to select until five minutes before the pick was made. Branch said that prior to the trade agreement, the Hornets never even considered drafting Bryant. Prior to the draft, Bryant had worked out in Los Angeles, in which he scrimmaged against former Lakers players Larry Drew and Michael Cooper, and according to then-Laker manager Jerry West "marched over these people". On July 1, 1996, West traded his starting center, Vlade Divac, to the Hornets in exchange for Bryant's draft rights.
So to answer your question...I know they didnt value Bryant because they had traded the pick before the draft even took place! If it were me, I wouldve held on to the 13th pick at least to see who was available at the time of the selection...dont you think?
OJ Mayo is a freaking badass. What would the grizzlies even do if they had love? They already have Z-Bo who is better at almost every part of basketball except outlet passes.
Mayo was one of the most important players in their playoff run. Love is a decent player who get good stats on a terrible team. If Mayo was on minnesota he would be their first option on offense and be putting up 22 points and 6 assists..
Actually that would be sick.. Minnesota and mempis should trade beasley for mayo straight up.
Minnesotas line up: Grizz line up:
I like it. Minny gets rid of Beasley for an elite scorer and quality 2 while making room for williams.
Grizz bring in a nice back up plan for both Gay and Randolph while clearing up room at the 2 so maybe Xavier Henry can get some pt.
although this will not be viewed as a bad trade, I was watching the draft live and I thought the trading of Chris Webber was a mistake when it happened. I was just thinking how beastly a front court that would be with Shaq and C-Web teamed up.
actually, even though jerry west was in love with kobe, that trade had more to do with the Lakers acquiring Shaq and the Hornets trying to fill the void left by Mourning. Kobe was 3rd on the agenda and "gravy" to West if he turned out to be even halfway decent. Now...the rest of THAT is history.
You'd need a guy to get Shaq or Webb the ball. That is why the trade was made in the first place for Anfernee Hardaway. And let's not forget, Hardaway was well on his way to being a HOF'er before injuries hit so you can't view this as a bad trade. Hell, in his prime, Hardaway was better than Webber. Add to the fact that they also got several picks with Hardaway and this might be considered one of the greatest draft day trades of all time.
The worst draft day trade that comes to mind was from the 1956 draft. The Hawks traded the draft rights of Bill Russell to the Celtics for Cliff Hagan and Ed Macauley. If you're wondering who these two guys are that's the reason why this trade was bad lol. Don't get me wrong though, they were decent players, but this is Bill Russell we're talking about.
I think you're putting the wagon before the horse on this retelling of how things went down. Kobe was first acquired before the Lakers even knew if they could land Shaq. The inevitable cap space that was created from moving Divac for Kobe, is what lead to possibility of even getting Shaq.
Celtics getting Robert Parrish and Kevin McHale for nothing seems like a steal to me.
right...that's what happened but they COULD NOT even make a run at Shaq until they got Divac's contract off the books. so they were trading Divac regardless....West had a special workout with Kobe days before and thats when he decided on selecting him. The clearing out of cap space comes first, look at what the Knicks, Heat, and other teams did in hopes to get LeBron when only one team was gonna win in the first place.
The Lakers also had a deal in place to send Divac to the Hawks in case the Hornets deal fell through. So essentially, this trade was for Vlade for whoever, and the whoever just turned out to be Kobe.
the scenario was not "we have Kobe who is gonna be a future HOFer and guess what, we are now able to sign Shaquille O'Neal!"
it was more like, "we gotta get Shaq cuz he wants to come to Hollywood" (he was already trying to get into acting and rapping at this time, so the Lakers knew they had the best shot at landing him) and "I really like this Bryant kid, so I think we need to get the team with the most likelyhood to select him to pick him up for us"
the best 2 teams to do this was Charlotte and Sacramento and Sac didnt want the deal...which ironically Divac ends up with Sac later on anyway. they wouldve dealt with other teams but they did want Kobe and didnt think he would last longer than 13.
I didnt say that it was a bad trade (webber for penny), I was saying at the time watching it live thats what I felt. It worked out well for everyone, but thats not to say that Shaq and Webber wouldnt be a good combination just because Penny was a good player in his prime. Shaq and Webber couldve been even better...because I dont remember Penny being oft-injured until AFTER Shaq had left Orlando.
oh, and I dont believe Penny was better than Webber in their primes.....injuries greatly affected C-Web's career as well.
surve-Kobe was main priority draft night. Shaq was yet to guarantee he was coming . West saw Kobe destroy Coop and said Kobe was better than anyone on the Lakers team at the time which included Nick the Quick and Eddie Jones. Getting Kobe was 1b. to Shaq 1a. West saw Kobe as the future of the team and knew he was the perfect compliment to Shaq. Shaq and Kobe was always the game plan for West.
And it is true that Kobe forced his way to LAL as he saidhe was going to play for LAL or NY or he wasn't going NBA at all and was gonna go to Italy and play. Eddie was one of Kobe's best friends and played pick-up all the time at temple against pro's and college players and even then Kobe was rockin them &$#%#&@!. Eddie is actuallty where Jerry W. got early word on Kobe.
i mean we couldve had bosh, wade, melo
and we got the 2nd pick in '03 from a trade in '97 from a guy named otis thorpe who we traded to the grizz
the grizz gave us a future first round pick
and who do we take???
even to this day im still in awe bout that