I think this may be the first time two players on opposing teams got ejected, and walked off the court like best friends. The ref should not have thrown them out.
a little preview for how many ridiculous technicals will be called this season with the new rule.
LMAO! This change on technical fouls is crazy. They'll probably eject LeBron pregame for throwing up chalk dust, or eject Sasha Vujacic for punching Kobe's chest pregames.
not as bad as it sounds. Those guys had gotten into it already and its hard for the refs to tell how serious they were being when slapping each others rear end.
We don't know what they were saying or what was going on. It seems to me that they were forewarned to not make a scene.
I don't have a problem with this.
here are my problems with it. I mean, its not like he punched the guy. He hit him on the hind end...after Evans did it to him. I mean, they were both laughing about it. I hear all the time that Grant Hill is one of the easiest going players in the NBA and how he is well respected within the league. I really think this is just a case of the ref using his new power to hand out techs basically when they feel players aren't listening to him.
actually, I think the Tim Duncan/Joey Crawford ejection was worse. lol
I can't watch this one without laughing.
This one's even funnier, and it makes much more sense.
The Sheed ejection is amazing. I never saw that before. Refs are wayyy too egotistical.
David Stern's horrible NBA.
Need to be smarter than that though. That Rasheed one may look ridiculous, but the ref had asked him to stop staring at him and trying to intimidate him. I mean, just look at Rasheed there. His body language and his stare down clearly speak volumes in my opinion. When you are actually doing something directly to a player or a referee that shows aggression, it is not acceptable. Rasheed with his stare down was pretty much looking like, "I'll see you in the parking lot." That was not Donaghy who gave it to him there, but still, when you have someone like Rasheed staring you down, it is obstructive and intimidating. He had told him to stop, and I believe that is fair warning, unfortunately, whether one of his teammates spoke to him or not, Rasheed did not comply. Now, with Tim Duncan sitting on the bench and joking with his teammates and getting tossed by Joey Crawford, that is ridiculous, he is creating no obstruction to the game and he is not saying anything directly to Crawford, that is just ego. Posey throwing at his feet however, just stupid.
I think all that David Stern is doing is trying to keep the players from looking like idiots. To some fans, they like to see a little fire from players over calls and plays, but I think a majority of fans think that frankly, players whine far too much over calls. From Kobe to LeBron to Dwight to Tim Duncan, the superstar players of this game whine about calls far too often. Yes, you can tell a referee your side, and the NBA is one of those places where the referee has a great deal of interaction with players and coaches, more so than any other of the 4 major American leagues. But, it gets to a point where you have to keep your emotions in check. It is difficult, it is a competitive game, you want to win, refs can indeed change it in certain situations. But, in recent years, players belly aching has gotten out of hand. Their does need to be a certain amount of order kept in the game. Trash talking is still very much allowed, but stare downs and impeding with someones personal space has always been discouraged, this going back to the days of Mutombo.
I watched the Grant Hill and Reggie Evans thing, and while they shook each other hands and walked off the court together, they were clearly being morons. I mean, spanking each other like that was really damn childish (and something else, not that there's anything wrong with that). The ref had clearly wanted them to stop in the first place, which is why he gave them the previous T, and than they act like a couple of idiots. Reggie likes to get under peoples skin, and Grant Hill as collected as he may be, can have a temper. If Grant had not gone back for that last one, they more than likely would have stayed in the game. But clearly, while they "walked off like best friends", you could sense some aggression by Grant Hill during that confrontation. So, for people saying they do not like Stern's rules on behavior and say it is too strict, I for one say that players have gotten away with murder in this league for years. Charles Barkley said he was not a role model, and in many ways he is right, but they should be showing a little more class and sportsmanship for young players watching the game. Talking trash to the refs and staring daggers at them are not things that should be tolerated for a league full of professional athletes, plain and simple. If we teach young kids playing the game to respect the referees, why should professional athletes be able to get away with not following this simple task? I have no problem with trying to institute a bit of class into the game, because I think all in all that players and coaches a like know that it is the right way to act.
Sheed is a legend i'm so upset he retired that was great. He just stared down the ref then got ejected and just left like thats what he wanted. Sheed use to really scare refs like who just looks at a ref like that and he was probably doing it all game. The Ref told Steve Smith " I told him 3 times to stop trying to imtimidate me!" HAHAHA!
And that Grant Hill-Reggie Evans thing was retarded. The Suns were losing by 30 Hill probably just wanted to get out of there. And Evans was walking away I dont know why he got thrown out.
The nba is the one sport that has so many subjective calls the ref can turn the game into any result. Players are going to get emotional its part of the game. I say to make players stop over reacting change the fouls to the ABA rules for when a player goes beyond 6 fouls its a extra free throw for the opposing team.
I hate how in the NBA its the one sport where players will get out the game because of 1 too many fouls
the rasheed wallace one only shows the tail end of it. He was staring him down before the timeout and then after the timeout came right back and just stared him down again after the ref had told him mulitple times to stop. I would have thrown him out to, enough is enough. What else is the ref supposed to do, throw down with him?
If you guys have such a problem with the NBA then don't watch it.
You have to respect the refs and if you try to show them up, you're gonna pay for it.
I don't know about you guys, but I don't want the NBA full of crybabies that throw a fit every time they disagree with a call.
and then there's this one
technical because he "brought the crowd down" .....what?!
having respect for the refs and having emotions are 2 different things guy. I don't know about you, but I don't want the NBA full of robots that cannot show any emotion at all.
oh i agree they should be able to show emotion. ANd they do. I dont want to see more techs or refs getting all soft and calling t's everytime a player does something for a split second in reaction. But at the same time, i dont see whats the big deal with the grant hill/reggie evans ejection. They had already gotten into it and they kept it going and the refs need to keep things from blowing up. That wasnt a normal pat on the back and its hard for the refs to know whos joking and whos about to start swinging.
I was talking to butidonthavethemoney, and you are right, its hard to tell right away if they were joking or not but good officials will take a step back and look at the situation before throwing techs. I think Jarret Jack running in there trying to start something is the reason the techs were thrown. It "looked" worse than it was. I understand why he threw it, but at the same time, the NBA is basically giving the refs the power to do as they please. I really hope this will go away half way during the season, like when they tried to insert a new type of basketball.
yeah, i honestly hope we do not see more techs this year. I think the rule change was more about the league defending the refs for when they do call t's so players and coaches dont have an argument more so then actually wanting the refs to call more techs.
Dude, you are jumping to conclusions.
Remember last year when the NBA said that players weren't allowed to stand up because it was blocking the fans' view. Everybody said that the rule was so unfair because players would be penalized for cheering on their teammates. Well they were still allowed to stand up when they got excited. Players can still show emotion. How is staring down or taunting a ref showing emotion?
you are jumping to a conclusion too. I never said the Rasheed tech. was wrong. Rasheed deserved that and so does anyone who argues directly with an official. But when a player doesn't say anything directly to the ref, like Hill, why would that justify a tech? And how do you know refs wont use this new power Stern gave them? I can already tell in preseason games that the refs will tech anyone who gets mad and reacts to a call. Most teams and players have adjusted to it, but its taking the emotion out of the game. I'm just saying what I have seen. We will see if it stays this way. I honestly don't see it sticking around that long.
You don't know what they said, and you don't know what the refs said to them beforehand.
I've watched a lot of other preseason games and I've seen plently of emotion that hasn't resulted in a tech.
What a punk Ref. What did he think Sheed was gonna do some sort of Jedi Mind Trick on him. You can look at somebody all you want, as long as you dont touch them. A ref gotta have tougher skin then that.
And am I the only one that watched that Iverson video what was that ref thinking?
A.I. was like "bring the crowd down? what arent you suppose to be reffing the game what are you worried about the crowd for?"
So you're suggesting that players should be able to say/do whatever as long as they don't touch/hurt another player or ref?
He clearly was trying to intimidate the ref and Rasheed was warned several times before.
The refs need to have tougher skin? No. The players need to have tougher skin. You can either follow the rules, or pay the price.
I also have no idea what the ref was talking about with Iverson, but of course we don't see what Iverson did to evoke the call. So we can't really comment on anything except for the ref's explaining abilities.
mr 19134, are you telling me that walking around the court and stairing down the ref all hard like you want to do something and he repeatedly asks you to stop and you continute to do it is not worth a tech? If you didnt call a tech, you would be viewed like a punk by the players like yeah i just stared that ref down all game and he was scared of me. T him up and move on.
and i would have little patience with rasheed anyways. I have seen him absolutely hack the crap out of people and he acts like he is shocked when they call the foul. He did it in the finals when kobe made a move to the rim and rasheed reached in and got all forearm and the ref called it and he went ballistic and the replay clearly showed he fouled him. He has done that his whole career so i wouldnt give him any leash when it comes to complaining.
i was looking for the rasheed foul on kobe i was talking about but couldnt find it. Here is another one though from the finals that is almost as bad.
as a ref, i would always give players the benefit of the doubt when they argue close calls or they have no record of being whiners. But after seeing wallace do stuff like that^^^^ for his whole career, i would be done listening to him complain ever again.
You can't just say that players need tougher skin than the refs. There is a lot more on the line for the players a lot more emotions are involved. And if the refs are throwing the techs around it pretty much ruins the fun for everyone. A lot more players will get ejected which sux for the fans. Technicals can switch the momentum so easily.
I really hope the refs don't exagerate it. Let's see how things will develop, maybe we won't see it.
If a player stares at a ref, cant the ref just look away? When a player complains about a call without looking or going towards the ref that doesnt deserve a tech. A player is just expressing his emotions at that particular moment
No i didn't say you should be allowed to get away with harrassing a ref. But he was just stairing at him. Look the other way. He couldn't state long because he has a game to play and Im sure the coach wants him in the huddle during a timeout the staring only last a few seconds. No I don't look you should be allowed to warn a player to not look at me. You're a ref all eyes on you anyway to decide the outcome of a game.
but he did look for a long time and stalk him. It wasnt just instant reaction. Like i said, that video was just a small portion of it. He foolowed him around and was warned numerous times to go away. He deserved the tech.
"You can't just say that players need tougher skin than the refs."
I didn't. I said that players need to be tougher than what we've seen in this topic. Refs have a lot of pressure on them too, and players are so quick to blame all their problems on the referees.
But hey, if you guys want to coddle professional basketball players (who are getting paid millions of dollars) like they are innocent little babies, that's fine with me.
I have reffed, and that &$#%#&@! is so hard to do. I respect NBA refs but that Grant Hill/Reggie Evans one was a joke. Come on now, Hill didn't show any aggression or a temper.
I feel stupid for saying this, but I've watched that Iverson video 5 times, and I still don't understand why Salvatore called a technical. Then again, there's probably more to that video. If there isn't, then my mind is fried.
Sometime its hard to keep your emotions in check when the game is ultra competitive....
That was a first round playoff game against the Hornets when they were still in the East. The Sixers won the series but were getting smoked in that game. Iverson told them to bring people down from the upper rows to the bottom. I remember watching it on TV. He pointed to the event staff and then pointed up signaled down. Iverson use to do stuff like that all the time he controlled a crowd in Philly unlike an other player I ever saw. He would get people quiet during free throws and rally them up on D. He was so much fun watching that video brought back memories of the funnest moments of my life in sports. Because we went to the 2nd round that year. Then the next year Brown and Iverson took the whole East by storm after trading for Kukoc we started the season with like 12 game winning streak and never looked back untill we ran into the Mamba and Kazaam in the finals.
Thanks for the explanation. Salvatore is anal for making that call; he's even more anal than the ref from the Sheed video.
"Get away from me, Steve! Get away from me, Steve! I do NOT look fat in this shirt! He said I have man boobs!"
This is why Evans and Hill got ejected.