Look at the deals the Nets have made the past 2 seasons
Nets receive Deron Williams
Jazz receive Derrick Favors, Devin Harrs, 2011 1 round pick (3rd overall pick) which was Enes Kanter (who know who the Nets would have drafted) and 2012 1 round pick of the Warriors (top 7 protected for the 2013 and top 6 protected 2014).
Oh and that is without Deron Williams signing an extension.
Ya that was really smart.
Then they trade the 6 overall pick in this years draft for Gerald Wallace
Oh and that is without Gerald Wallace signing an extension.
If the Nets never made a trade this is how they would look.
(They probably draft Brandon Knight, Kemba or Vesely with that 2011 pick since they have Favors Humphries and Lopez and don't need Kanter)
Then they also have a 2012 1 round pick (6 overall) and a lottery pick from the Warriors in 2013 or 2014.
Can anyone think of a team that has screwed their team up as bad as this by making terrible trades?
The Knicks trading their 2006 Draft pick (LaMarcus Aldridge) and their 2007 Draft pick (Joakim Noah) for Eddy Curry.
LOL that is true I don't know what's worse. Getting Eddy Curry in return after you are ripped off or getting nothing. Now that I think about it I would rather have nothing instead of having Eddy Curry.
One can only imagine a frontcourt tandem of Noah and Aldridge. A neat combination of size, length, offense and defense that would've grown together.
I'm sure the Bulls would have liked that but they chose to trade Aldridge for Tyrus Thomas. Not as bad of a trade as the other 2 but still pretty awful.
I just don't understand the point. That team at the bottom of your post still really sucks.
My point is that team at the bottom of my post along with 2 lottery picks is a lot better than their current roster.
Kris Humphries (if he doesn't leave)
Or would you rather have this team?
(They probably draft Brandon Knight, Kemba or Vesely with that 2011 pick since they have Favors Humphries and Lopez and don't need Kanter)
Doesn't look like that hard of a choice for me.
Really is crazy when you look at their moves in the Prokhorov era. It's like Isaiah Thomas and Michael Jordan are double teaming the GM duties. Then again, Billie King is the GM, right? Easily the worst GM in the NBA since Kahn has changed his fortunes.
All though it hurt their plans for the future and they missed out on some talented young players but trading for Deron Williams a top 5 pg and Gerald Wallace an very talented top 5-10 Sf to me isn't bad trades when you are trying to build for a championship and trying to Acquire a Dwight Howard. If thing had went in their favor a tandem of Howard,Williams,Wallace is championship caliber, even Williams,Wallace,Lopez is pretty good. Only mistake was not making them sign extension when they trded for them.
For what the Nets where trying to accomplish these trade wasnt bad when they first made them, but now that may not be the case. Even if they look bad now no why are they the worst trades in NBA history.
everything the Nets did had to be done. WHY? because they are comepeting with the Knicks for a fan base. NO ONE will go see a team of brandan knight, marshon brooks, sf, humphries, lopez OVER stoudemire, lin, carmelo.
it looks like dumb basketball moves and honestly, as a TRUE nets fan, i would've much rather watched them go the lottery route like OKC, but i know that in the NY market, this is not possible.
Celtics trade #1 to Golden State for #3 and Robert Parish
Golden State takes Joe Barry Carroll at #1....Celtics take Kevin McHale at #3
This will be one of the worst trades ever if Deron Williams leaves.
i cant find myself to hate a team thats been stuck in mediocrity at best daring to be great and rolling the dice. keep in mind that stuck in mediocrity comment is sugar coating it, they were challenging for the worst record in NBA history the season prior to dealing for Deron Williams. at the end of the day, if everything blows up on their face and they loose out on Deron and Gerald not resigning, and Dwight doesnt get his trade to the Nets, they will start from the ground up with cap space. at least they had the guts to change things up when they were very far off in being relevant.
There is also the Vlade Divac for Kobe Bryant straight up lol.
Nets have been pretty stupid trying to make a splash.
If they stayed the course they'd have good young players and kep their picks.
No need to trade for DWill w/out an extension and even if they resign Wallace where is the team going.
There are a lot of Pg's available this offseason but to lose DWill for nothing would really hurt.
I understand what the Nets were trying to do but at the same time I never agreed with what they were attempting. They were basically making a trade and hoping things worked out. That's not how I would want to run my team.
That's like quitting your job and hoping things work out instead of having another job lined up.
Some other funny trades to look at
Dirk for Tractor Traylor
Moses Malone for Rick Robey
Magic Johnso for Gail Goodrich
Bill Russel for Cliff Hagan and Ed Macauley
Kareem for a bunch of players you have never heard of
The Raptors trading Vince Carter (who was a top 10 NBA player at the time) for Eric Williams, Aaron Williams and Alonzo Mourning who never reported to Toronto.
all of the timberwolves fans are happy now, we no longer have the worst GM, thank you billy king and rubio finally making it over here, but stupid mchale gave away the pick this year from his marko jaric trade. If we had that we would be even better.for next year, so we cant blame kahn for that one.
When Milwakee traded Kareem Abdul Jabbar for Elmore Smith, Brian Winters and Dave Meyers.
The Eddy Curry deal has to be right up there since it cost the Knicks extra cap room for 2010 as well. Of course that was the last year of 1 of the worst contracts very. 10 million a yr was a joke for Curry and the Bulls weren't offering anything close to it and the last year of his contract cost them a shot at another top free agent.
To clear cap room Donnie Walsh traded Jeffries, Jordan Hill and this years pick to Houston for Tmac's expiring contract. They wanted to have enough cap room to sign 2 max contracts. Obviously that didn't happen they signed Amare, Felton and did a sign n trade with GS for David Lee got them back Turiaf, Randolph, Azubuike who either were traded, didn't play for the team or gone after 1 year. What has all that done gotten them 1 playoff win the last 2 years and even though they've been injury ridden in the playoffs they weren't winning those series anyway.
Here was the trade
October 4, 2005 – The Chicago Bulls convey to the New York Knicks the contract of Antonio Davis and the signed-and-traded contract of Eddy Curry. In exchange, New York conveys to Chicago the contracts of Tim Thomas and Michael Sweetney, the signed-and-traded contract of Jermaine Jackson, and New York’s regular second round draft choice in 2007 and 2009
If New York’s 2006 first round does go to Utah (due to being number 26-30), and New York does receive San Antonio’s 2006 first round pick (due to being number 11-30), New York conveys to Chicago that San Antonio first round selection.
In addition, New York also conveys to Chicago the right to switch first round draft picks with New York in 2007 provided that New York’s first round selection does not go to Utah (is not number 25-30). Per team policy, terms of the contract were not disclosed. This trade is conditional upon the players passing their physical.
Thats what you call a franchise changer right there.
This is not even close to the worst trade ever. First Deron played great for the season that they had him. Also they might still resign him. That they have a chance alone makes this not that bad a trade.
And as for the guys you suggest they would have drafted. Vesley looks like a bust. Walker looks exactly like he was in college, lots of shots, low shooting percentage, too small to play D and not much else. And the jury is still out if Knight can become a legit starter.
Favors is now looking like he could be a starting PF. Kind of like Humphries who they already have.
So basically if Deron resigns they gave up nearly nothing for a top PG. and you don't know if he is going to resign or not. There are a lot worse trades than this one.
Billy King is terrible and set the Sixers back years. His first year as GM in 1998 he drafted Larry Hughes 8th overall. The 9th selection was Dirk and the 10th was Paul Pierce. Now that is the truth instead of giving AI a true running mate to make a decent run he choked immediately!
In 1999 he almost traded Larry Hughes and a pick for TMAC but got cold feet and backed out of the deal.
The team in 2001 got to the Finals but AI carried them and two of the key role players on that team Aaron Mckie and Theo Ratliff(who was dealt for Mutumbo before the deadline) were dealt for from the pistons the year before King took over.
Billy King did next to nothing that I considered to positively affect the Sixers during his tenure and would expect nothing else from him no matter where he is.
When the Nets took D-Will, the trade was about the same value as NOH got for CP3 but CP3 has now turned the Clippers into a winning team.
The Crash Wallace trade was ridiculous to only protect the pick top 3, why didn't they try for someone like Iggy, even if the pick was unprotected they would have got someone under contract.
The other worrying thing is some team might offer Brook Lopez a big deal which NJ may have to match or what if he decided to only take a one year deal and test FA in 2013 after playing a full season as his value could easily increase.
I could see NJ rivaling Charlotte as the worse team next season the way things currently stand.
What the Nets did is give away Favors, Harris, the 3rd overall pick in 2011, the 6 overall pick in 2012, and a lottery pick in 2013/14 for NOTHING.
I understand they wanted to try and sign both Deron and Wallace but why would you give up all those assets in hopes you could convince those guys to resign?
Maybe it's my personality but I would not give up all the assets in hopes to convince a guy to resign with my team when by all accounts he was very upset to be traded to my team. It just doesn't make sense.
The Pistons wound up getting the second pick in the 2003 draft from Memphis for Otis Thorpe. They used it on Darko Milicic, but Memphis could have had Carmelo Anthony, Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh or even Chris Kaman.
This is what happens when you have Billy King running your team!
Hopefully they trade Deron instead of letting him walk to at least halfway make face.
im not sure if im understanding some posts here, are you saying that its bad to hope a player will resign when theres no guarantees but its okay to hope a young player will develop without any guarantees either? isnt that an unfair standard? when you draft a player high with a top 5 pick, you're very optimistic and hopefull that they turn into a top player of the league without any assurance that they will. The nets had the opportunity to add a top 2 point guard in the league whose level of play and performance is proven without an assurance that he'll sign long-term after a season and a half. why is it suddenly regarded as one of the worst trades when its simply a swap of chance. Utah had no guarantee Favors would turn out as well as he has so far. Im sure they're very dissapointed in how Devin Harris has been for them at the same time.
let me put it this way, what would you say was the worse scenario to be in, trading youre all-star shooting guard in Ray Allen for an all-star point guard in Gary Payton and Payton leaving at free agency or drafting Darko, hoping he develops and never pans out for the the team that selected him.
Why is it bad you hope a player resigns with you? Well when by all accounts Deron Williams was very upset about being traded to the Nets and 95% of the scenarios point that Deron will not resign with your team it's not very smart. Their cocky russian owner figured he could just buy a team and I think he has found out it's a little more difficult than just that. You have to build a team. You can't just buy a championship.
Look at the Heat. They have Wade. He recruited LeBron and Bosh to play with him. He wanted to be their so it worked.
Deron never wanted to be a Net. It's kind of difficult to get great players to want to play for your team when you're best player that you gave an arm and a leg for doesn't want to play for your team. It's completely obvious.
If Deron really wanted to be a Net guess what he would have done. He would have convinced Dwight Howard to play with him. If Dwight didn't sign that extension he would have been traded to the Nets. Why did he sign that extension with Orlando? It obvious, Deron didn't show Dwight that he was committed to play with him the same way Wade convinced Bosh and LeBron to play with him.
Moral of the story which is pretty obvious and you must not be very smart if you do not see the point.
Don't trade for a player that won't sign an extension to play for your team. Why take that risk? In order for Deron to stay with the Nets literally needed every domino had to fall a certain way. Deron needed to commit to the organization, then he needed to recruit Dwight, Lopez needed to play great, they needed to add another piece (not Gerald freakin Wallace) and then they had to trade for Dwight and he would have to sign a max deal with the Nets.
Ya sounds like a great plan.
I hate the Suns trading game especially during draft day. Look at the players who would they had:
2004 Luol Deng #7 overall traded to the Bulls for Jackson Vroman#31 and $3 Mill.
2006 Boston acquired the draft rights to 21st pick Rajon Rondo, Brian Grant and cash considerations from Phoenix in exchange for a 2007 first-round draft pick (Rudy Fernandez). Then Rudy+James Jones were traded to Portland for cash considerations
How about I give you a scenario so you can process what I am saying. Let's say for whatever reason, the Bobcats trade for Dwight Howard.
Dwight Howard does not sign an extension.
The Bobcats give up Kemba (Harris), Bismack (Favors), The 2 overall pick (3rd overall in 2011), and a future 1 round pick (warriors pick) for Dwight (Deron).
This is basically what the Nets did for Deron.
You are telling me you would do this deal and hope Dwight signs an extension?
In my opinion only an idiot would do that.
What if the odds of Dwight resigning is 50%? Good trade now? Dwight is clearly worth all the assets you listed above and much more. It was a gamble and we don't really know how it will pan out. Though things don't look good. Frankly the Wallace trade is the real problem here. And yes billy king is bad and the source of the problem.
But this trade really isn't nearly as bad as you make it out to be.
You can justify the Nets trade for Deron Williams if they were competing for a championship. However, they weren't, and trading young assets for a player who won't stay with you is stupid.
I wouldn't do the deal if Dwight didn't sign an extension period. It's easy to talk the talk but it doesn't mean anything unless you have a contract to back it up.
Business 101 never do anything without a contract. There is no such thing as a hand shake agreement when you make deals that have implications of millions of dollars.
The Jazz made out like bandits. Their team is going to be stacked for years to come as a result of the Deron trade.
You think those deals are bad!! What about the getting rid of Ryan Anderson for expiring contracts to end up with Travis Outlaw who they ended up amnesting
Oh man the Outlaw signing was pathetic. They signed him up long term and almost immediately realized they couldn't play him at all.