Do you think Oklahoma would trade for Blake Griffin? They would Trade Jeff Green and take on one of the Clippers bad contracts like Randolph or Kaman. Is this a good move for Oklahoma or would they be better of not making a move with the pick or a smaller trade to Washington?
Nah. Just stick with what ya got. OKC doesnt want a guy like Randolph coming in and having a bad influence one their great, young players. Hope for Hasheem and trust in Krstic. This year or next they wil be in the playoffs without Griffin.
I think that it sounds really good for Oklahoma city but I don't know about the clippers. Jeff Green is a free agent at the end of next year. Jeff Green might be a undersized power forward and might be better as a small forward. Blake Griffin would be great because Nenad Kristic is a little skinny for center and though he runs the floor well he is a little slow reacting for a powerforward. Blake Griffin would be the perfect fit because he might be able to match up against the stronger centers and Nenad might be able to use his height advantage against power forwards. Nenad has a good post game and blake might balance it out well with his outside shooting. I think it is a great idea for Oklahoma City and a bad idea for the clippers. I also think that Hasheem Thabeet is a sure fire bust. He will be drafted too high.
No i dont think the Clippers would trade him to Oklahoma City unless Kevin Durant gets traded but thats super crazy right.
They probably would be stupid if they didnt try to land Griffin, but in saying that Sam Presti is to smart to give up Green or Westbrook for him. If they land him i think they would trade their 3rd pick this year (if it is ricky rubio) along with next years first round pick maybe 2 of them (which would have added value because the 2010 draft is a strong draft). Okc then would give them earl watsons expiring contract and have to take on Barons bad one. Presti would only take on Barons contract if he could get rid of it straight away so a third team may be needed which probably would need to be the Warriors. I personally reckon Harden would be the player to get if we trade down to Wasington cause he fits in nicely with the team and we could get Javale Mcgee to!
This is another thing that I am just being stupid over, yet I think that most of us should start thinking this way more often. I don't think that getting Harden and Javale McGee gets Oklahoma City what they need. I think that surrounding Durant with another Superstar like Griffin and filling in the rest of the positions as well as they can (hopefully locking Westbrook up as a GREAT compliment) over the next 10 years allows OKC to remain a title contender (yeah, I said it, I think Durant is that good) year in and year out. Maybe not in 2009-2010, but possibly as early as 2011-2012. That being said, Durant might be the type of guy who can be THE superstar, like a Duncan or Lebron (yeah, I said that too! I think that he could be that good) who doesn't need to have a "Pippen" to his "Jordan" or a "Stockton" to his "Malone". Look at the Spurs and their title teams. They started with Robinson, Elliot, etc. They now have Manu and Tony Parker. But, the reason they are that way is because they found the exception to the rule with both Manu and Tony Parker. They got Parker at the end of the first round somehow and Manu wasn't exactly the 3rd pick in the draft himself. The problem that young teams like this run into is that guys like Green and Westbrook will probably want HUGE contracts when their current rookie one is up, whether they have actually played up to it yet or not. These guys don't necessarily have a ceiling that a GM would feel comfortable with, so he would probably either trade one or both of them or cross his fingers. The Cavs are currently DESPERATE to put together a title team around King James before he can bolt after next season, but they are really having a hard time because of the salary cap. If a guy is going to stay in a smaller market (sorry, I am not trying to sound like an elitist &$#%#&@! or something but I think that we can all agree OKC isn't the biggest NBA market) by signing a long term max contract, he wants the theoretical trade off he would be making in endorsement dollars to be that he is in title contention almost every year. Nobody in the NBA today wants to be in a situation like Garnett was in Minnesota a few years ago or Kobe was in a couple of years ago. They don't want to be in their prime on a lottery team, or worse yet, in their prime on a MIDDLE OF THE ROAD TEAM. You know, just good enough to stay out of the lottery because they have one of the best players in the league but not good enough to contend for a title. I could be WAY off and Green and Westbrook could turn into absolute studs, but if I had a gun to my head and had to choose...I would predict that Griffin has the best chance at giving Durant and OKC that 1-2 punch over either Green or Westbrook. Or even both.
But, like I said, I could be way off. Or, Sam Presti could call up the Grizzlies and steal from them like the Mitch Kupchak did last year with the Gasol trade.
I think they will try everything possible to land the home town hero! But bringing in Randolph would be a terrible idea. Between Durant and Randolph, Griffen would never get a shot off.
If I was OKC, i would try to move down.
If I was Griffin, I would not play for LA Clippers.
So my answer would be no.
OKC would trade for Griffin.
@KEviDMvP - I see that you think it is a DUMB idea for OKC to do the following, but I am confused.
Do you have Jeff Green going for the Clippers #1 and either Randolph or Baron Davis?
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Do you have Green/Westbrook and #3 2009, 2010 1st RD (maybe 2 of them) and then Earl Watson's expiring contract for Clippers #1 (Griffin) and Baron Davis's contract?
Once again, I know that you don't agree with OKC trading away Green, Westbrook, or the 2010 1st RD picks and I know that you don't want OKC to take on Baron Davis either, I was just curious as to what people think is needed for the Clippers to trade Griffin.
I watched an Oklahoma City news segment where the sportscaster was explaining how the NBA Draft Lottery works, which is a good idea since the NBA is still pretty new to OKC and let's be honest it is pretty confusing how the draft lottery works with the number combinations and combining the lottery balls together. They were using jelly beans (which was pretty cool too, I have never seen it visually represented that way) and they kept saying stuff like, "So, the BLUE jelly beans represent the Thunder and let's see if the Thunder will land Blake!" The way they were referring to "Blake" gave me the impression that Oklahoma City residents were VERY EXCITED at the possibility of getting the local kid on the team. I really think that it would expand what is already becoming a very well respected fan base for what is generally considered to be a small market for a major sports franchise. I also thought to myself if OKC landed the #1 pick I would be COMPLETELY CONVINCED THE DRAFT LOTTERY IS RIGGED! Seriously, Lebron to Cleveland. Rose to Chicago (when they have gone a decade without a star player). Then, Griffin to the new Oklahoma City franchise?!?! It would have been impossible for people to feel like it was legit.
If I were Sam Presti, I would offer Jeff Green, #3, #25, 2010 1st RD pick, and take on a bad Clipper contract (preferably Randolph's because it's only got 2 more years and since they aren't in title contention in that timeframe he wouldn't cost them significantly in the standings) because the Thunder would be doing their ULTIMATE JOB, which is to sell season and individual game ticket packages, jerseys, and other Thunder related items. I really feel that Griffin would bring a significant portion of Sooner fans and make them new Thunder fans. He also has the game to warrant such a drastic move. Not only that, Durant and Griffin could be a real "core" that you could build around for 10-15 years. 1 superstar, 1 potential superstar (I think he will be, ESPECIALLY IN OKLAHOMA CITY).
i see where your coming from Scott42444 but its not always about potential and talent, its about teamwork and chemistry aswell. Trading Green would get rid of one of Durants best mates and a decent player. The only way i would try to get griffin would be to get rid of the third pick, 2010 picks and take on the bad contract of Davis if the clippers get rubio with the number 3 pick. It all depends if rubio falls to 3 because the clippers only want Griffin or Rubio no one else.
I think that you are spot on. I guess I just don't see Green as part of the picture AND I just feel that Griffin + Oklahoma City = NBA Smiles! It just seems right.
Hey, do me a favor. Check my thread I just wrote about "Picks For Expiring Contracts" and tell me if I was way out of line or not. It's late and this dude rubbed me the wrong way, and I hate to be THAT GUY, but I don't see a good way to react to "U R DUM" type of comments.
Why would they trade for Griffin when they are sound offensively with Durant, Westbrook and Green. What they need is Thabeet's defensive presence. With such a young team, they definitely need some an old head in the starting 5. Furthermore, if they don't make it to the playoffs next year(the west is pretty deep even for OKC), they have the lottery pick again and with next year's draft I see better fits, Ed Davis, Cole Aldrich, Greg Monroe and even maybe Favours and Henson.
Oklahoma would kill for Griffin. But I think in their position they will take Thabeet.
i just have a hard time believing the thunder would trade westbrook/green. both these guys averaged over 15 pts. green's versatility is something you can't find, while westbrook has a rare combination of size and quickness for a pg. griffen would have to just blow out workouts for okc to make a trade; especially, if you are talking about 3 draft picks and either green or westbrook and then taking a bad contract.
Don't forget there is Collison in the team, his effort can support the team's rebound, and the team's offence can mainly by durant & westbrook/green or from draft pick, so I think it is not good to trade Griffin in. The tam can wait to next year since next year is stronger year, durant,westbrook,green,3rd pick can lead the team to the playoff, also sign some experinced player is better than receiving a bad contract, use best the salary cap can also a main point to help the above player more. I don't think griffin is weaker than other player, but trade green or westbrook away must break the relationship in the team. (Do you remember the suns trade bell and diaw who are the best friend od Nash, so the suns cannot reach the playoffs.)
Oklahoma would do a Green, #3 and maybe (this is a big maybe,) but a late/future 1st round pick For Griffin. They wouldn't move both Westbrook and Green, but if a player like Griffin is on the block the Thunder would be more than willing to trade Jeff Green in the deal.
When else will a small market, middle American, 2nd year franchise (I am not really including Seattle here because I think that OKC had a majority of Hornets fans, if anything) have a guy from Oklahoma, the University of Oklahoma for that matter as well, be heads and tails better than anyone else in the draft. There are 3 things basketball in Oklahoma right now.
#1 - Blake Griffin
#2 - Oklahoma City Thunder
#3 - Kevin Durant
In that order, I believe. Now, I could be WAY off base since I don't live there. But, that is definitely the impression that I get from my outside viewpoint, looking in.
When else will a small market, relocated franchise like the Thunder ever going to have an opportunity to keep a hometown stud like Griffin "home" for his entire career? One that could consist of a trip to multiple all-star appearances and MVP consideration? Oklahoma City seems like the kind of town that is very proud of their hometown guys.
Also, Durant is half of the way through his rookie contract. I think that pairing him up with Griffin in an immediate marketing campaign would put the demand for Thunder season tickets at an insane high. The buzz and electricity that would be generated would be felt at every pre-season home game and carry into the regular season. With the right atmosphere, Durant and Griffin would feel like they have found a home that they wouldn't ever want to leave. With Lebron in Cleveland and Rose in Chicago, these guys have a different depth to their fan base since people have watched these guys since they were in middle school. That is a situation that cannot be replicated, even if both Green and Griffin both become 10 time all-stars and are considered to be equally great basketball players.
Trust me. The Bulls teams with Michael Jordan were more than just a winning basketball team. Yes, Jordan was the best player of all time. But, all the other players on that team hold a special place in the hearts of every fan in the city of Chicago. The Bulls have been in the Top 5 in the NBA in attendance even since Jordan left the Bulls in 1998. For that feeling to be recreated in a relative newcomer to the professional basketball "circle", it would be helped immensely by having a local guy.
I know that winning a championship is supposed to be the #1 goal, but it's really not. You want to create a loyal fan base who will stay even during times of "famine", not only just during times of "feast". If Durant, Green, and Westbrook create a core that go to the Finals in 3 years, I don't think that would be enough to sustain a rabid following if they have a few down years afterward. Look at the Miami Heat. They didn't even have the seats filled for the playoffs this year, and they had the #3 in the MVP voting and won a championship 4 years ago!
It just makes good business sense. If the Thunder have to trade Jeff Green, #3, and 2010 1st Round pick, they will benefit financially by leaps and bounds over the alternative (which is keep Green, draft Thabeet/Harden, and take Joe Schmoe in 2010). I don't believe anyone will be able to convince me otherwise.
Why would you trade proven players who fit in your systerm and are you building blocks for an unproven athlete? There have been tons of "hard working athletes" that never pan out. Not saying Griffin will bust but these guys have already proven themselves.
Your totally right jaredpaul89 presti wouldnt of drafted Westbrook and Green as traid bait! its all about filling team needs and why trade players when you have one of the biggest cap spaces in the league to buy great ones in 2010 ect.
What does that cap space do for small market teams? It usually means that they have to overpay for marginal all-stars. Look at the Hornets. They looked like a possible 5+ year perennial contender and now they are in such financial trouble they are ready to blow the thing up! That sucks. But, when you have guys like Tyson Chandler and Peja making what they are and getting hurt while not being All-Stars you soon learn you can't keep it together. If they are having luxury tax problems now, what is going to happen when Chris Paul's contract triples in size? Now, think about OKC. They bring in some high priced free agents in 2010 and overpay them because your team hasn't won anything yet and the common perception is that endorsement deals suffer when you are in a smaller market, even though I don't agree with that because of the instant information we get today. Plus, Griffin would be able to be a cross over type of endorsement guy. Non-NBA fans will still know who Blake Griffin is and what he's all about. Then you have Durant and Green in 2012 and Westbrook the year after needing and deserving to get "paid"? If these guys become as good as everyone says then OKC can't afford them and high priced veteran's too! That is just the way it works out.
Plus, the league salary cap is going to drop in the next couple of seasons: http://blog.mlive.com/fullcourtpress/2009/02/league_memo_nba_salary_cap_...
Look at the Hornets current salary and compare it to what the Thunder will look like. Remember that Peja was the high priced free agent. Chandler was the young, complimentary veteran big man to pair with the young core, West is a young all-star and Paul is the MVP. Durant, Green, Westbrook, whichever free agent you are going to bring in in 2010, etc.
2010 salary cap, about $57.3 million
Hornets 2010 salaries of Paul, Stojakovic, Chandler, West
Paul - $15,200,000
Peja - $15,700,000
Tyson - $12,750,00
West - $8,300,000
Total: Approx. $52,000,000
The veteran minimum is about $1.2 million
Put Durant in the Paul spot (at least) and whichever free agent they get as Peja and make West/Green. Then you already have Westbrook and now the #3 pick in the 2009 NBA Draft!
Look where you are sitting. Getting mopped in the first round. I know that it isn't an exact comparison but I think that is a FAIR COMPARISON. Plus, like I said, Griffin could make less all-star appearances than Jeff Green and still make more money for Oklahoma City. Plus, his upside is greater in most people's opinions. It just seems to make sense.
Anyone actually agree with me? Ha, it doesn't look like it, no matter how many stats, salaries, numbers, and comparisons I put out there. But, I feel passionately about this.
i think sam presti is in serious talks with the clippers. he knows that gettin blake would put butts in the seats and with a supporting cast of westbrook, nenad, thabo and etc they would be a serious playoff contender in 2010. they would most likly have to give up green and next years first round pick but the class of 2010 is filled with so much talent it wouldent hurt them to loose that pick. in my opinion get rid of durant would be a sufficent trade. green is on a upward swing. durant has been consistant the past 2 years
you want to trade durant?
Wait...seriously that was a typo, right? You don't mean that you want to seriously trade Durant, do you? I will trade you every player on my team for him? Plus all my draft picks this year and next. Deal? Seriously, every GM in the league would offer about anyone on their roster besides about 6 or 7 guys, like Kobe, Lebron, Paul, Howard, Carmelo, and...um...maybe Wade, actually I think Riley would trade Wade right now too. I guess, um...that's it? I think that the Bulls would even trade Rose for him right now. Maybe Roy?
If the Thunder offered Durant, the Clippers would give them the #1 plus anyone on their roster too. I think so anyway.
Durant is going nowhere. But I think the Thunder are looking at it like this. Jeff Green a top 5 pick when he was drafted. So Trading Green, the #3 and a future 2010 first round pick might be awfully pricey and could potentially become 3 top ten picks for Blake Griffin. I really don't think he is worth that price on his head, but to the Thunder paring Westbrook with Durant and Griffin is just downright deadly. I think the idea of the 25 over next years first makes more sense for the Thunder, but It will be interesting to see what happens.
i am a season ticket holder to thunder games and i have looked at the stats for durant since his rookie season till the last year and he is a barely consistant player. and he is not the type of "leader" everyone thinks. i would much rther trade him for griffin. he is a barley 68% from the field. i am a Thunder fan no doubt but durant just dont do it for me. lol i kno they will NEVER get rid of him tho