Ok, so I've been off this site for a couple weeks and i came back 2 days ago but I have yet to get into a serious argument with someone...actually i think i had someone agree with me...odd, well anyways I was just wondering if anyone wants to post some really debateable arguments here and have this site battle it out :)
Amare Stoudemire best pf in the game today! Just ask Shaq.
Mario Chalmers will make an all defensive team.
Mario Chalmers will lead the league in steals
yupyup, i would rather have Dirk right now. His skills are just at an alltime high and no one can create offense the way he does at that position. His defense is lacking and he's not tough but I'd rather have him than Stoudemire. But either way there will never be a title won by one of those two players. And I can no longer respect any opinion from Shaq after his kobe rap.
If he can get on a team where there isn't a superstar like Wade who likes to guard the teams best players than chalmers may become and all defensive player. He has the skills and size for a pg, plus he has lots of time to improve on it. So i agree with that.
Dwayne Wade will win mvp next year!
Hell to the no, I've got kobe again even though i love wade i don't think he can put the team on his back like last year simply because he'll be tired and unmotivated. Plus unless they don't get any new players he'll be planning on leaving going back to the no motivation argument. I think the lakers will be too dominate for Kobe not to win mvp.
Is the best man to man defender in the NBA
the Lakers will dominate but Kobe wont score as much. Bynom, Gasol, and Artes will all need to score which will make his numbers go down. Wade o dont will as pressured because Beasley will develop into a nice second option next year but he will still need to put up big numbers. hes my pick!
lebron, carmelo will never win a ring
If Lebron leaves cleveland than he won't win a ring. I just don't think his contract size will provide enough space for a good team around him unless they just add smaller pieces like their doing in cleveland. Melo may but Kobe's Lakers are getting really good and billups isn't getting any younger and after the lakers there's teams on the rise like okc, Gs, and LAC to deal with.
Artest will be asked to be a lock down defender mainly next year but i don't think he's the best. Players like Battier, and Raja Bell are better in man to man D.
is always a debate.
iverson can still lead a team to the finals
thats crazy talk
25.7 ppg before he went to detroit
tmac lead the league in scoring at around 30 ppg and we already know about his deal with the playoffs.
you comparing heart vs no heart
It is kind of crazy how much we're hating on Iverson when he was so good not to long ago. However i don't think he could lead a team to the finals. Actually he never really could lead his team to the finals in his whole career. he's too much of just a scorer.
sam cassel will be put down as one of the funniest looking dudes that has played in the NBA.
what about with the sixers? if he didnt lead them who did?
they dont kno bball bird zilla
who doesnt know bball?
AI is a lot like dirk. Not in their skills but in the way they lead their team, AI to me isn't an emotional leader and goes out on the court looking for his own, not for his teammates. As a team leader averaging 4 apg is not good enough. Lebron's a SF and he averages near 8. Kobe and Wade spend more time a sg and averaged more. That's what i mean by not leading.
who does not fit well with the team idea. he has a reputation of putting himself first and thats not just on the court. he has been fined several times and his practice rant shows how much he cares about the team. thats why he was traded to detroit in a move that was pretty dumb on the pistons part. now AI cant find a job. why? because nobody wants a player,especially at the pg position, who is only going to shoot. in philly he was the team. now we see how his nombers go down when he actually has to play point guard.
Mutombo was more of a leader for that team than Iverson
man r u serious career 6.2 apg
06 7.3 philly, 7.2 denver
07 7.1 denver
08 6.7 denver,4.9 detroit
mutombo a leader in iverson mvp seaeson get out of here
HELL NO! Come on taking away that from A.I., he was the heart and soul of not only his team that year but all of Philly. And no one should ever put Dirk and A.I. in the same breath
Dirk and Iverson CAN be mentioned in the same breath because they are both players that cant lead their teams to championhips....
he was that team. they souldve been called the philadelphia iversons. im not saying he was never good im saying he cannot do what he did that season now cause no coach would let him. and because the only team that want him are either bad or arent going to give him the money he wants and want im to come off the bench, he probably wont lead a team to the finals again. and his reputation of being a guy who does not buy into the team conception wil hurt him as well.
you cant say Iverson has had as much help as like Kobe. Iverson had to go against Shaq, and Kobe! and Mutumbo is a defensive player they didnt have anyone on their teams besides players beside him while Shaq was on the other team. of course their not gonna win a title!
Only God could have led that team to the Title
you right there starting lineup was
id compare it to Lebron in 05 neither had any help really and they were both young.
was so lousy their for a few years, a little above average teams in the east were making it in.
Iverson played on a team that was tailored to his skills.. That team had very good defenders Bell, Mckie (6th man of the year), Mutumbo (defensive player of th year)..Hill, Lynch, Ratliff... They played TEAM ball and let Iverson do his thing... Iverson wasnt going to lead a team to the finals where he had to share the ball with another leit scorer....Obviously Kobe had a better team but I think Iverson and Dirk comparison makes sense because they are both unique scorers who dont have the ability to lead their team to championships...Iverson game is GREAT for fans but he doesnt play the defense nor discplined enough to win a championship as a 1st option....Do you think if you replaced Kobe with Iverson the Lakers would have won any championships???? I dont...
I think that year Vince Carter Raptors team would have put up a better fight....
dirk and iverson comparisons silly
I dont think so... Neither of them can lead a team to a championshp as a first option, because they are both limited in various ways... Dirk (no heart and defense is average/below average) Iverson (lack of discpline and defense is see: Dirk)
Dirk has heart.
Didnt look like he did when David West was punking him in last years playoffs... Where was his heart when he lets GS defenders handle him... How bout when he lets his team lose to MIA when they had a 2-0 lead... Isnt he suppose to be the leader of the Mavs????
thats because hes never had that good of a supporting cast.
What does his supporting cast have to do with David West tapping him on his face (he just had a confused look on his face)??? I couldnt see West doing that to KG, Duncan, STAT or any of the other top PFs... When GS beat them wasnt it and 1 v 8 seed??? When MIA beat them I think he had a solid suppoting cast....
I think Iverson and Dirk comparison makes sense because they are both unique scorers who dont have the ability to lead their team to championships
well yeah A.I.'s team was garbage and dirk and his teams were just mentally weak
WHAT!!!!! stackhouse,devinharris,jason terry, josh howard they jus blew that series the refs gave the heat a game tho
Artest will be an All Star oh yeah some moron who thinks he's a genius already bought that up.
Phil Jackson is the greatest coach in the history of sports.
Dirk didn't lose the Miami series by himself, the team choked Wade killed them, the refs hurt them.
Main reason the Mavs will never win anything is they have no post up game, also their defense is very overrated.
Kobe had no help ha he can only win with the best supporting cast, once Shaq left he was a bum couldn't get out of the 1st round. They only got past becaz of Gasol he'll never do anything w/out a superior supporting cast.
First 3 rings how far do they go w/out Fox defense, Shaq dominating & Horry's huge 3 pt shots.
Kobe's an all time great player but be serious he doesn't dominate like the other top all time guys did.
Are different so i don't know why your comparing them besides both are good at scoring
When AI played for Philly they where unable to build around him because NOBODY could play with mmm... Stackhouse, Larry Hughes, Iggy... Free agents werent exactly lining up to play with Iverson... Iverson is a GREAT scorer and a warrior but I dont believe you can win a championship with a 6 foot SG thats a defensive liability and a career 42 percent shooter as your first option..... As far as Dirk in the MIA Finals I wouldnt say he STEPPED his game up like a superstar should in the last 4 games of the series I think he might of had like one good game in the last 4 games... He was as much to blame for them losing as Terry and the rest of them dudes....Im NOT comparing them, im just saying them can be mentioned in the same breath (see above) AI and Dirk are both GREAT scorers that cant win a FINALS as number 1 options...
If T-Mac doesnt have a crazy year next year he might as well not waste his time and retire sooner than later