Whenever people talk about the Kings they say they will suck for a long time. Watch and see Tyreke play before you make that statement. The dude is just a straight up beast 6'5 200 pounds PG he will be able to get to the rim whenever he wants. He really does remind me a lot of Wade. In 3-5 years, people will be listing him as a top-10 player in the league. He will have some TO issues and needs to improve his jumpshot but those are things that can be taught.
(BTW.. Wade averaged 16- 4.5 -4 his rookie year.. What is everyone predicting a 19 year old rookie Tyreke Evans- about the same and is 2 years younger than Wade coming out of college)
And the underrating does not stop with him. Spencer Hawes is a very good Center who as a starter averaged 12.4 points, 8 rebounds, 2.3 assists, and 1.2 blocks. That was in his SECOND year in the league. Yet some people say he is a backup or will never be good enough to be a center on a playoff team.
Jason Thompson last season after the all-star break averaged 12.4 points, 8.6 rebounds, 1.3 assists, and 1.1 blocks. That was in his ROOKIE season. And people are saying he is overrated and he isn't any good. He was a rebounding champ in college and I would honestly be very surprised if he doesn't average 10+ rebounds a game in a few seasons.
Yeah, they are not going to be a good team this year. They have no bench at all and are weak at SF. But to say they are going to still suck in the future is completely wrong. The core of this team is very good and very young-just does not get exposure because its Sacramento.
I don't think Thompson is good as a starter, but overall the starting 5 is OK, if they draft a PF next year (there are loads of PF) they will have good starting five and Thompson as a sixth man, but still not enough bench, maybe a couple of signings for the bench and they can be contenders
Sometimes stats can be misleading. When you play on a bad team someone has to get the minutes and someone needs to take shots and someone is going to get the rebounds.
So even though Hawes and Thompson averaged 8 rpg last year doesn't make them good rebounders.
I remember Loy Vaught used to average 16ppg and 10rpg just because he was the best player on a bad team. Someone on the Clippers was going to get rebounds.
I have the NBA pass and have watched Sac a little bit...just dont see Hawes or Thompson being pivotal players on a top 8 team.
I think they have a decent future honestly, and I think Jason Thompson is store for a breakout season either this year on in 2010-2011. He has alot of talent and potential...and as soon as he gets smarter as a player he has a real good future. They are developing alot of young players so it will be awhile before they really reap the benefits, but they do have an underrated future,they just need a PG. Evans wont get it done.
has patience.. thier starting front court pretty much had no experience, if anything that will benefit them because they were just thrown into the mix and as a result will lead to them developing quicker. just cause they didnt have amazing years as rookies and second year players doesnt mean theyre not good. they didnt get drafted on their instant impact in the nba.. they got drafted on their potential. and now theyll have 3 lottery picks from the past three years all getting starter minutes.. im not saying theyre gonna be good next year but 2 or 3 maybe 4 theyll be a borderline playoff team i think due to all the young talent they have. so i agree their future does look pretty bright and im excited to see how they all progress especially tyreke
There going to suck this year but Tyreke will be really good and probably win ROY. But they do have a bright future and it will probably take a few years to get there.
Agreed Igoudala9 Tyreke is a SG in the long run, if they keep him at PG they are not getting everything out of him, he can learn to play but why learn when you are already a good NBA level SG, they wouldn't be utilizing him right at PG nor will he create for others like a pure point with great vision, They will be in the lottery next year, and should pick up a SF or a PG. Some possibilities are Paul George, John Wall, Kemba Walker, Al-Farouq Aminu, Derrick Favors ( if he develops his perimeter skills and can play SF in the NBA effectively )
Jason Thompson is a very good rebounder, actually. He averaged 3 offensive rebounds a game in under 30 minutes(3.7 orb, 9.5 total rebounds per36).
A lot of people say he isn't an NBA starter, though. Yet nobody has any reasons.
And Hawes is not a very good rebounder but he is serviceable. He is a finesse center. He's Brad Miller part 2 with a higher ceiling. And Brad Miller has been to the playoffs 7 times. There is no reason why Hawes can't lead a team to the playoffs.
Name all the "pure" point gaurds in the NBA. Then tell me how many championships they have.
OK ummm. Steve Nash, Deron Williams, J-Kidd, CP3, Chauncy Billups ect. and so far only 1
but that doesn't prove a point since no player wins a championship by themselves, you win and lose as a team, and Tyreke Evans didn't win a championship, so what the hell does it matter anyways?
I think I am one of the people who underrated Tyrek Evans....all throughout college, i thought he was just a shoot first ball hog who wasn't a winner...I do think he will be alot better then that and I'd take him for ROY
However the Kings as a whole still have a long way to go, they should hope to do well in the lottery again and get John Wall, then they would be legitimate
Yea John Wall and Tyreke Evans would be nasty. There also would be alot of length in the backcourt so I'd expect a bunch of steals and weakside blocks.
Now Tyreke Evans also proved me wrong about the type of player he is and he showed me he could play the point in spurts in the NBA, but he's needs to work on his shot and he still gets tunnel vision on his drives. He will never be a winning starting PG though, I dont see it.
it does prove a point. you dont need a "pure" point gaurd to win in the NBA. everyone says how its a problem that he isn't a pure point gaurd. why? you dont need a pure pg to win in the nba. in fact, you can probably make an argument that pure pg's have a tougher time winning championships.
Wall has a weak jumper though doesn't he? I'd rather have Evans-Martin then Wall-Evans throwin up bricks and having their defenders clog the lane
ehhh.. there are some pure PG's in the that are better scorers than Evans, and way way better passers, they can score at will and also find the open man with their great court vision
ex. Steve Nash, Deron Williams, CP3
Kings are gonna take awhile. I like Tyreke a lot. Spencer is gonna be better then Thompson in my opinion. But they still have a ways to go.
Im a huge believer in Thompson. I think he has the power and finesse that Hawes doesnt. Im telling you, Thompson will be a 20-10 guy down the road. I can see it. Just has to play smarter (he gets lost on both sides, esp. on D)
I think he should focus on being a two who handles the point in spots. I like Thompson and Hawes, but I still feel they need a physical center who does the dirty work like block shots. That team has to get a point guard. I agree with Iguodala9 Thompson is a hard worker and will improve next year by leaps and bounds. Kid works on his game.
I'm not real strong on Hawes being better, but he has some weapons in his arsenal that really stand out to me. He has unbelievable confidence in his offense. He can shoot all the way out to three. He has some nice agressive post moves around the basket although he doesn't finish all that strong.
Thompson has a solid all around package with his combination of size and athleticism. He's more physical then Hawes, but he brings the ball down low around the basket and doesn't power through guys. His mid range game is decent, but nothing special. He just doesn't really stand out to me in any area.
Both guys have a wonderful opportunity to develop since the Kings suck and they have no competition for minutes. I wouldn't be surprised if Thompson is better, but I would takes Hawes over him right now.
"Sometimes stats can be misleading. When you play on a bad team someone has to get the minutes and someone needs to take shots and someone is going to get the rebounds.
So even though Hawes and Thompson averaged 8 rpg last year doesn't make them good rebounders.
I have the NBA pass and have watched Sac a little bit...just dont see Hawes or Thompson being pivotal players on a top 8 team"
jason thompson averaged around 26 mpg last season and spencer hawes even less... u basically contradicted yourself with that statement.... look at their per 36 min averages
spencer hawes was like 15 9 rebs 2 blocks
thompson was like 14 9 rebs 1 block....
if u dont think thats really good for a 1st and second year players u are a dumb&$#%#&@!
I think they have some real good young talent on the team. I even like a guy like Garcia on that team as a 7th or 8th man in the rotation. I think a lot of people are seeing that there is likely going to be problems with Evans playing PG. As of right now, I think they would be wise to get a guy at the 3 that can handle the ball and make plays. Unfortunately, there are not a lot of those. I think having Evans may force them to get a PG and eventually trade Martin, unless Martin is able to play the 3. Honestly, I haven't seen enough of him on a consistent basis to know that. I would assume he is going to be too weak to guard that spot. Of course if you get rid of Martin, then you need a guy at the 3 spot that can stretch the floor. I'm sure the Kings would love for that to be Donte, but I guess we will see how he progresses. I also like Hawes and Thompson, but before they become a good team, I think one of those guys has to go to the bench. Preferably Hawes, because I see him being able to provide a lot of versatility off the bench and maybe create occasional matchup problems with his shooting.
I agree, Kings biggest need is a tall-lanky defensive center that can come in and play in a rotation with Hawes and Thompson
They had that last year with Mikki Moore lol... that is a need. But their most pressing needs are at the point and at SF.
hawes is a pretty good offesinve player..his defense is kinda lacking though and he just doesnt strike fear into any guards driving down the lane...i think the kings could possible be on there way up but dont think they are gonna be way up considering the other teams in the west that they will have to contend with. i do like there back court but martin doesnt really do defense and so far evans has shown since hs he is a scorer but doesnt have much interest in getting other involved which will hurt that back court because martin gets most of his points off of someone setting him up and evans likes to set himself up...as far as top 10 player in the leauge in 3-5 years im not buying..that would mean he will be ranked ahead of one of these 10 players (actually 13) players...not in any order just off the top of my head
I always though Hawes and Thompson were solid.
I agree with everything you said except one thing. I don't think KMart needs to play with a pg who sets him up. KMart is known for getting his offense despite not having a lot of plays drawn for him. He gets out in transition, he gets to the line. They don't really waste a lot of time getting him the rock or clearing out for him. He kinda reminds me of a cedric ceballos in that you can put him on the court and he will just find a way to get his without needing his team to cater to his needs.
For this reason, I think he and Tyreke can work well together. Plus, since Martin doesn't play much D, Tyreke can help in that area too.
Will be a star in the NBA in a few years...I love this guys game...However, the Kings have literally no shot at doing anything (especially in the west) over the next few years...
i have a question.(i do like evans) but what does he do so different then larry huges (back when he came in the leauge)
Perez- I agree 100%. Evans and Martin compliment eachother perfectly.
My top-10 players in 3-4 years includes these 10 players(not in any particular order)
LeBron, Kobe, Wade, 'Melo, Dwight, CP3, Harrison Barnes, Tyreke Evans, Durant, and Roy
The top-20 will include:
DWill, Griffin, John Wall, Perry Jones, Granger, Rose, Mayo, Amare, Bosh, Gasol,
And I cant really answer your question about Hughes, I don't remember when he first came into the league
I've never thought very highly of Tyreke Evans. He just doesn't strike me as anything special. If I was a Kings fan I would probably be excited though,
ummm no i cant include any highschoolers untill they play college and nba..too many young future stars dont pan out..and barnes nor perry is a lebron or dwight howard who were cant miss players. dont get caught up in the highschool hype when the players havent proven anything yet
also evans isnt as good now nor has the ceiling of the 13 players i listed so i dont see how hes gonna be top 10
Now that I think about it Barnes has 2 more years before he is going to be NBA bound so he wont be top-10 in 4 years.. Maybe 5-6. So just switch him and DWill.
But tell me, why can't Evans be as good as OJ Mayo(who i think is a little overrated by some people)?
are you serious?..because he can do everything evans can do plus more and he is a better shooter on top of everyone( esspecially tim grover) saying hes only seen kobe and jordan with a better work ethic and the "it" factor. and like i said before im not one of those bandwagon fan guys that says a highschooler is gonna be this or that before hes proven anything( in highschool you just prove that you can dominate other highschoolers) unless its a cant miss lebron,dwight howard
Forget the whole HS thing I don't care about that.
Evans gets to the hoop better than Mayo does without a doubt in my mind. Mayo is a better shooter than Evans without a doubt in my mind. Other than that, defense, rebounding, handles, and passing are all pretty close.
To top it off, Tyreke is going to be 20.. OJ Mayo is going to be 22. And it's not like Evans is a bum. Everyone says he is a very hard worker himself so I don't think work ethic is going to be the difference between the two
OJ is better than Evans your being a homer if you think Evans is better. OJ is probably in the top 3 in work ethics in the NBA his jumper is better and he is more explosive and a better overall scorer. I like Evans and think he will be great for the Kings and I think he will win ROY but Mayo is better.
evans doesnt have the handles nor the defense ...man you are really being a homer..youre the only person who thinks evans is or will be better then o.j mayo in this draft would have went higher then evans easily..you are wayyy overrating evans
I think you just put Reke in your top 10 and Rose in 11-20. You're kidding right?
Mayo is honestly a much better defender right now, he has a tighter handle, and I would say its a push as to who rebounds better than who. Evans without a doubt gets to the rim better, but Mayo is the better shooter from everywhere no matter how you spin it. I think Mayo is the better overall player because the only parts of Evans game that translates to the NBA is his scoring/slashing ability and his ability on D.
you also left out westbrook, plus put players who havent played yet .
thats tru...the funny thing is mayo can get to the rim just as easily if he wants but he falls in love with driving then shooting the pull up. i think in time coaches will convince him that getting to the rim will get them more wins ( him getting to the line and getting big men and guards in foul trouble)...eventually he'll learn to use that 40inch vert more
I never said anywhere Evans is better than Mayo right now. But Evans plays very good defense and has very good handles. Your simply being ignorant if you say otherwise. Might not be on Mayo's level RIGHT NOW but when Evans is 22 I think he will be better than Mayo at 22.
And don't talk about Mayo being top-3 in work ethic in the league. You have no idea who works hard and who doesn't just going by hearsay. Yeah it's pretty known he is a hard worker but you have no idea how hard Evans works or how hard others in the NBA work to say he is definitely top-3.
so what about that Rose, Reke thing? Were you serious?
Just forget my list! lol i did it quick. I still think Evans will be top-10 in the league (or at least in the discussion) but the list was poorly done and not thought about.
how is evans such a great defender?..He got ate up a couple times in summer leauge. what are you basing him being such a good defender...i dont remeber reading or seeing anywhere stating hes such a good defender...how about some facts to back up this statement
evans weakness scouting profile
Weaknesses: His jumpshot has shown very little progress and he continues to struggle with inconsistent shooting … Most of his shooting woes can be directly pointed at his unorthodox release … He slings the ball from behind his head, losing sight of it completely at the point of release … Must improve his midrange game, his pullup lacks rhythm, often leaving him off balance with varying results … A bit of a tweener at this point, does not have the blazing speed or quickness to play as a PG full time, and lacks the vertical explosiveness possessed by the wing players … A decent athlete with an unreliable outside shot (a combination that is not ideal for the next level), he will have to rely on his deceptiveness and crafty game off the dribble to get by defenders … Has always had the ball in his hands and been allowed to operate freely, will he be able to adapt and still be effective playing off the ball and does he know how to use screens or how to work in a traditional half court set? ... Is still prone to tunnel vision, where he seems to forget about his teammates … Defensively, he is a bit lackadaisical, and while he does have long arms, because of questionable lateral quickness he will have to work extremely hard to contain the ball on the perimeter … The 3.6 TOs per game are a result of both the system he was in, and his out of control play … Needs to learn to pick his spots better, rather than attacking into traffic and getting into trouble …
So basically you're arguing against a player you've never watched? What are you basing your judgements on?
But anyways. He has trouble with smaller quicker PG's because he is bigger. The only gaurd to light up against the Kings was Steph Curry who dropped 29(not a very good fg% but made a bunch of free throws). And i didn't watch that game so i dont know if McNeal was gaurding him or Evans. But Evans bullied Jennings around and didn't let him get anything going scoring-wise.
i said based on what i seen and read...he bullied jennings?..really..i watched that game..jennings scored when he needed to but looked more to pass( 14ast)..evans still hasnt shown he is a pg...avered 4 ast and 3.6 turnovers in summer leauge where most of the pg/sg wont even be on a nba team. thats very very bad for a pg
good job deleting it. you said what you heard and read not seen and read.
jennings did not score much, what you probably saw of that game if anything is jennings last second shot and that was just a good job by jennings. other than that he was held very much in check i know he shot under 40%.
I dont think anyone realizes that TYREKE EVANS ISNT EVEN 20 YEARS OLD YET. Give him time to develop and learn the PG position.
i never deleted anything you just read it too fast obviously. i watched the whole game..jennings was passing because he was trying to win and get players involved..thats what pg do..not just look for his own offense. evans has NEVER shown that he is a pg..since hs hes shown he is a scoreing guard his ast to turnover ratio is horrible..he cant shot and he shot 40percent in summer leauge( bad) hes along the same mold as randy royle except he passes less. yes hes a good scorer but not a good pg. i still havent read anywhere or found anyone who agrees with youre homer predictions of evans...thats interesting
spencer..im not sure you watched evans during summer leauge or the game against jennings..jennings was clearly the better pg out there fans say it, announcers said it,even players commented on it. it was also obvious that jennings was looking to set up his teammates and only looked for his shot a couple times (hence the 14ast) thats alot better as a pg then scoring all the points while youre team loses. evans is a good scorer but he doesnt know the difference between a good shot and a bad shot yet and his jumper is pretty bad (27percent from three) he does now how to get to the line though even though it was against nbdl and overseas players. putting him in the same class as oj mayo now or in the future is a lil overboard though. The thing about evans is scouts have always said (and hasnt changed yet) that he looks for himself first second and third. i do hope that changes because he des have the otenial to be a good player but history shows his outlook will be a scoring guard. same as larry hughes which isnt bad