The clippers and the lakers will be facing off in the title game of the annual lakers shootout tournament at staples center tomorrow (sunday). The clippers have been playing well (and uptempo) this preseason due to a rejuvenated baron davis (and 30 pounds lighter) as well as an impressive blake griffin, and lights out shooting performance thus far by rasual butler, and an improved eric gordon and deandre jordan. the lakers have been just winning games like usual but have had a mediocre preseason from artest who is 10 of 29 in field goals so far. however, they have gotten a great preseason out of andrew bynum who is averaging 20.5 ppg so far this preseason. This should be a great preseason matchup - Who you got?
it's preseason who cares?
I agree with wench. Probably only because my Jazz lost to the Clippers tonight. I'm just sour...
it does matter. if people here think summer league matters than obviously preseason does.
SOrry "clippers" but guys are right, first to come to my mind was "who cares" ? Pau not played tongiht so won't tommorow I think, the same could be with Kobe
come on clippers, this is preseason. I'm a laker fan and I don't even care. If you want to have any sort of bragging rights based on this matchup, you need to wait till the real season.
You guys may not like that Clippers is always posting about the LAC, but he's right... Pre-season does matter. If it didn't matter, they wouldn't play the games. How can you guys tell him the pre-season doesn't matter, but most of you were glued to the computer during the summer league? Summer league is less important than pre-season. A lot of you have already determined in your minds which players will be busts or not based on summer league and pre-season. Y'all sound real hypocritical.
Of course the wins and losses don't matter, but developing rotations and team chemistry does. LAC had no team chemistry last season and after the season they had, LAC fans are paying close attention right now. There's a lot of excitement heading into this season. It's not about bragging rights. We're interested to see how in shape Baron Davis is, how healthy Chris Kaman is and the number one pick. As an Eric Gordon and LAC fan, I'm excited to see this team's chemistry and effort versus the champs, EVEN if it is just the pre-season. After the egg they laid last year, I'm expecting them to play every game like there's something to prove whether they win or lose.
pre season does matter to see how young guys look, and new additions. But unless you are playing your starters for 30+ minutes, then the result doesn't matter.
Exactly...I agree tezo. The preseason and the Summer league matter, the wins and losses don't mean that much, but this is more for player development and play familiarity.
the lakers played most starters for 25+ yesterday and im guessing they will play them for 30+ today since its near the end of the preseason when team start to play more like the regular season and because they don't want to lose their own tournament.
odom and gasol are both sitting out this game with minor injuries and the only laker who has hit 30 minutes in the first 4 preseason games was Bynum.
Each team has different goals during the pre-season. Fans also have different expectations for their team during the pre-season. As a matter of fact, the Lakers held a players only meeting after a loss earlier this pre-season.
yeah, no one is saying pre season isn't important. But to get excited about who wins is kinda silly. I had two Kings fans call me the other day to brag about how they only lost by 6. And calling this a "tournament" is a stretch.
Look who were talking about here though lol... We're talking about LAC fans. After the season they had last year (same goes for the Kings), we'll take any win. We're looking for anything we can to see how this team is going to play during the season. Honestly, I've been excited about every win this pre-season. Like I said... LAC fans have different expectations than LAL fans. We all know what LAL is going to do this season regardless of wins/losses during the pre-season. The same can't be said for LAC.
i like the clippers and i have them as the 8 seed which is what I've been saying all summer. Possibly even a little higher if Kaman and Camby can stay healthy.
big minutes tonight or wont play at all since they played last night and logged big minutes... maybe a big deal for anyone clamoring to see that Adam Morrison vs Kareem Rush battle
I don't really care if we win or lose in pre-season or summer league, I just want to see how the young players are progressing. But I am curious to see how DJ and BG does against Bynum and how EG does against KB.
Preseason matter but not the this match up thing in preseason. They are not matching up the best of both things like in the regular season. Preseason is good for getting players ready for the season and also for coaches to see what they have and let some other guys get minutes.
pretty much dont matter..butler has been shooting well but not lights out clippers 41fg and 40 3pt is good...im suprised d.jordan isnt playing better though..i wa expecting more pts reb blk considering the summer workout he said he did..till very inconsitant but then again the clippers dont need him to do much since they have kaman and camby...artest hasnt shot well but has played pretty well..but for the lakers the preseason is just to get in better shape for them
good lord a.bynum is giving it to chri kaman and d.jordan..who ever said earlier that jordan will be better this year must have lost there mind
DJordan is athletic and can dunk. It ends about right there. Clippers saying he would take Jordan over Bynum and Brook Lopez makes him hard to take serious when it comes to discussing anyting with the clippers team.
llperez ur an idiot. u say that im really biased and base it off of other peoples arguments. tezo, NOT ME, said jordan will be better than lopez and mcgee. stop making stuff up. u sound retarded.
i hate to do this because the lakers are my team but here we go
look at bynum hide his face in the towel..lol
um, you said the other day that you would not trade DJordan for Brook. You created a post a while ago saying that Jordan was gonna be better then bynum. Those were your words not tezo's are anyone else, correct? And no need for name calling just because your team didn't come through. I know how much you were looking forward to this moment all summer.
lol..the clippers are talented but i wouldnt take jordan over lopez,bogut,bynum...right now i wouldnt take him over hibbert...i thought he might have taken a step foward after his first game in the preseason but i see it was a flash in the pan..his foot work is still average at bet and he scores off of being able to out jump other big men or run a lil faster...if he doesnt work on his game more he will be a rich mans dan gadzuric
llperez i said i would not trade DJ for brook because the clips already have 2 big man that score, we need a defensive presence to go with griffin which is why i would not trade DJ for brook. thats what i said, don't twist my words. also, i said jordan has more potential than bynum since he does, i didn't say he would reach it or that he is better than bynum right now. once again, don't twist my words.
read what i wrote again, i said you said you would take Jordan over Brook and Bynum, and you just admitted to saying just that very thing. So how am i twisting your words????
"DJordan is athletic and can dunk. It ends about right there. Clippers saying he would take Jordan over Bynum and Brook Lopez makes him hard to take serious when it comes to discussing anyting with the clippers team"
that's what isaid. Now answer me this, did you not in fact say that you would keep Jordan over both Bynum and Brook? Where did i twist your words?
as for keeping brook over Jordan because how he fits, that is a good way to run a team into the ground. You don't turn down an all-star for a back up becuase of style. And what makes Deandre such a good defender, becaus he sure can't do much to stop Bynum.
As for saying he has more potential then bynum, based on what. When Deandre was coming off the bench for texas AM, Bynum was scoring double digits and shooting 60% for the best team in the western confrence. Their offenseive abilities are light years apart and they are only one year apart in age.
I don't think one sane GM in the league would take Jordan over Bynum and Brook, so when you say that you would, yeah, i think it makes you seem quite biased. Almost as biased as your Griffin and Gordon are the next Kobe and Shaq thread you started.
i think i can understand why clippers would say jordan has more potenial..look at it like this..if you give jordan bynums skill then jordan would be a better player then bynum is now..its like if you give lebron kobe skill..the athletic guy will always have more potenial because you can teach skill but you cant teach a player to get much more athletic. so more potenial in that reguards is true../..but skill wise i dont think jordan has the potenial to be better then bynum to me he ha a ceiling because hes not know as a hard worker nor does he seem to be getting much better from sr year in hs to now besides the getting better by age and naturally by playing more..as far as defense im not sure where hes getting that from..jordan is too slow going from side to side and his timing isnt that good..i think he not even getting a blk a game so far this preseason...and if the nets offered brook for jordan straight up im pretty sure the clip would jump at that..i know i would
u say that he has not improved but ur basing that on just stats or an occasional game. i watched deandre all of last year and the only way he scored was off of lobs or wide open dunks. if he was covered down low he usually had a hard time scoring because he wasn't as strong as he is now. now when he is near the hoop, he is dominant. no really, when bynum was on him in the 1st quarter he just didn't even bother to contest his dunks because it was useless. he is much stronger, is shooting his free throws much better (i'm not sure stats wise, but his form is much better on free throws), actually can do a little in the post with much improved touch, and has much better anticipation on blocking shots. trust me, he wasn't good enough to be active on most games at the start of the year. he has come a long way even if he still appears raw. he will only improve here on.
jordan is not dominate in any sense of the word..man you are wayyyy biased ..youre the only person who would even mention dominate and d.jordan in the same sentence..dominate doesnt mean playing well for a couple of minutes in a quarter..bynum is muchhhhhhhhhhhhh better then jordan its not even a contest and bynum does it for more then just a couple of min (by the way jordan wasnt event dominate for a couple of min) i also watch clipper games and jordan doesnt look that much diffrent then he did in his one year at texas a&m..yeah he looks a lil better...where did you even get he is dominate when he gets it down low now?..we are all watching the same game you are yet youre the only one thinking he was dominate
Deandre Jordan is physically and athletically gifted, but he's VERY raw down low and he doesn't have a mid-range game. He also isn't a great shotblocker or rebounder, which should be a crime for all his tools. He actually has a go-to move (his jump hook), but when you force him to make a counter, that's when you win the battle. He has to practice making counters because the go-to move isn't always going to work. Especially when it's the only move you have in your whole arsenal. If he doesn't like Quincey sadi, he could be the next Dan Gadzuric lol (good comparison btw).
I did say that I thought Jordan had more "max potential" than Lopez. Obviously Lopez is the better player right now. It's not even close. However that may change in a few seasons IF Jordan continues to improve his game and get playing time. Who knows if Jordan can reach his max potential. IF he does though, I think it's safe to say he'll surpass Lopez as a center. I just don't see a HUGE upside in Lopez's game. I mean, he'll get better, but how much better can he really get? "DeAndre Jordan is athletic and can dunk. It ends about right there." A lot of people said and are still saying the same thing about Dwight Howard.
You guys have to remember... Bynum didn't look great his first year in LA. If I remember correctly, Kobe wanted to "ship his ass out". You have to give these players, especially young centers, time. Jordan is playing behind two pretty good centers right now. He's battling them every day in practice and over the summer. The reports coming out of LA are that he's the most dominate player at practice. That's going to help him. It may not lead to success this season, BUT it will help him. I wouldn't go as far to say he has more "max potential" than Bynum, but I think he has a chance to be a very good center at both ends of the court.
Quincey Hodges - Jordan dominated Bynum AND Gasol last season versus the Lakers. Bynum dominated that game too, but I just wanted to throw that out there.
he dominated?..the game where the lakers had the game in hand?..is that the one youre talking about?..just about every player can have a good game like that once or twice thats why they are in the nba, the thing is can they be consitant..also i dont think jordan has the potenial you think he has..i really dont think he will ever surpass lopez skill wise just like some pf who are more athletic then duncan wont ever be as good as him..
look, jordan has a ton of potential. He is tall and explosive. He can run the court. He can become a very solid starting center in this league. But right now, he is pretty much limited to dunking. He does not have counter moves or flat out over powering strength. Bynum and Brook both have a ton of post moves good hands and are good athletes as well. Jordan might actually be the worst defensive player of the three right now. His 2 dunks last night were uncontested after he got a nice pass from a teammate. his 24 points last year were almost all dunks in a game where the Lakers were ahead the whole time and weren't focusing on stopping Deandre. And Bynum had 42 at the other end.
Jordan can be very good becasue of his athleticism, but to take him over either Brook or bynum is silly at this point. That reminds me of the people who were calling Harold Miner the next Jordan becasue he could jump out the gym and was a freak athlete, never mind he didn't have a thing call skills to go with the physical gifts.
i remember people saying the same thing about gadzuric and stromile swift...like i said i guess as long as you can jump and run you have alot of potenial