SUP-"Kobe is the greatest player we've seen since Michael. But he's old and not the scorer he used to be."
I think a lot of people were saying things like that, and kobe is shutting them all up. He is carrying the lakers without pau and now bynum. He had 26 in the first half tonight and could have had 50 if the game was close. He looks like a front runner for mvp right now. He is taking less dribbles and tough perimter shots then ever. He is just going to the post and working like a big man with all kinds of fadeaways and up and under moves. That's similar to what Jordan did late in his career working the post up more.
exactly...his progression is really reminding me of jordan to a tee..its kinda scarey..he may not be as athletic as past years but hes actually (dare i say it) getting better
michael is on a completely different level than kobe.
yup, i think old kobe was more likely to explode and make ridiculous plays. But this kobe is more efficient and making teams pay for every little mistake on defense. He's pretty much ungaurdable 1 on 1 even more so now then ever.
Man I laugh at Kobe doubters I really do, he is a mad man right now and no1 can contain him he is the greatest sg since Jordan.
how so clippers...explain ..y completely im guessing you mean its not even close so i would really like to hear why hes on a completely different level
Actually on a pure skill level Kobe is better but only when you add the other intangibles and just Jordan's overall wow factor that you say Jordan is better but because Jordan was first you have to give him the age but on a skill level Kobe has been doing all of Jordan moves and has added his own to the mix.
I agree sheltwon. I give Jordan his due respect as the best ever because he was ifrst and he won 6 titles and Kobe still has a lot of years left. But I watched a prime Jordan, and I'm watching a prime Kobe right now. I truly think Kobe is just as good, the league has just gotten a little better as well so Kobe doesn't stand out quite as much as Jordan did.
While it is smart of you to quote me in this sort of thing we still do have to keep it in context. We were discussing pure scorers and I said Kobe is better than Melo, Kobe's arsenal is waaaaaaaaay more inclusive.
I went on to say that Carmelo was the more natural scorer. When I say natural I mean it's easier for Melo to score because of his size and shooting. I made it clear that I felt Melo has been underachieving his whole career.
As far my direct quote I do feel Kobe is older and not quite the guy who scored 81. Pau and Bynum are out...right now Kobe is being a team player by scoring 40 so we'll see as the season goes on.
yeah those 2 are out but you didnt think kobe could score like he used to..if youve watched him hes actually a better player..he may not be able to fly like he used to(although he still gets up)..he can score better then he used to with his improved pot game and his stronger mental approach..hes not quiet the guy who scored 81 you are right....hes better then that guy
Yeah he is better player from a team standpoint. He's now in his prime.
and a better scorer..anytime you have new ways to score and get better in the ways you already knew how to core then youre a better scorer
Yeah, the year when Kobe dropped 81 and averaged 25 or whatever would be comparable to the years when Jordan played with a sub-par supporting cast in Chicago and averaged 35 and 37 two straight years. Kobe is a smarter player and I agree with what you guys said about him improving as a post and one on one player. Did you guys see on espn the clips of him working out with Hakeem on his post skills? I look for a similar transition Jordan had when his athleticism dropped off a bit and his turnaround fadeaway was unstoppable.
Yea, I agree that Kobe is a better scorer now than he was when he scored 81 points. You can contest his shots as much as possible, but he's nearly unstoppable with it. I remember when Shane Battier literally put the palm of his hand on Kobe's face, and he still made the shot like he wasn't even there. He was able to score while contested back in 2006 when he scored 81 that game, but his overall scoring arsenal is vastly more polished.
yeah i watched that during the playoffs and kept wondering "how the hell did he hit that"..he hits shots every single game with defense on him that i havnt seen since jordan..fadaways from the freethrow line with defenders in his face pull ups. hes progressing the same way jordan was. now kobes fadeaway on the post is looking damn near unstoppable
lolz well I guess you guys just like being wrong, Kobe was clearly a better scorer back then. And if you think athletisism counts for nothing then stop the Kobe Lebron argument.
no one says it counts for nothing but skill counts for more..and its common sense that if a player scores with more moves in the present then what they did in the pass and has more ways to score then they are clearly a better scorer now then then..its common sense
skills beats athletisim any day of the week..josh smith is more athletic then paul peirce but paul scores more and easier then josh smith..there are a couple big men more athletic then tim duncan..amare being one of them but duncan is so skilled that it doesnt matter...
by j.a andande
Perhaps you made the mistake of thinking the Kobe Bryant narrative effectively ended on a muggy night in Orlando five months ago. With a Most Valuable Player award, a scoring title and finally a championship without Shaquille O'Neal to go with the three they won together, it seemed there was nothing more to be said about him. On to the next story.
How will LeBron and Shaq work and where will LeBron end up? How about that rookie Brandon Jennings? Check out Carmelo Anthony -- he's going to be the MVP.
Um, have you checked the stats leaders? Notice the K. Bryant, LAL, at the top of the leading scorers' list?
He's come out firing, a 25.3 shots-per-game average that's on pace to put him over 2,000 field goal attempts for only the second time in his career. He is connecting at a 49 percent rate, better than any other season. And his 33.6 points per game rival the standard of 35.4 he set in 2005-06. Yes, it's possible that Kobe at age 31 is doing work as well as he's ever done it, rather than just quietly slipping into the next phase of his career.
What, exactly, could he be trying to prove when there's nothing left to prove?
"I don't really play for that," Bryant said. "I know Michael's speech [at the Hall of Fame], he played for a lot of those things. I don't. I'm already there. I don't need that stuff. It's icing on the cake, but my motor's already running. I just can't stop. [There's] not something that motivates me. It's just how I am."
It turns out that last season, when his scoring average dropped below 27 for the first time since 2004, was just a glitch, an aberration brought on by two years of playing in the NBA Finals interspersed by two summers playing for the USA national team.
"I didn't like doing it last year, but I understood that we were playing for the long haul, so it was something I had to do," Bryant said. "Last year I just couldn't, because of the long schedules that we've had ... it was like, 'OK, let me dial back a little bit.'"
Now he's turned the dial all the way to the right. He's gone for 40-plus three times already. The 28 points he scored against New Orleans on Sunday might not seem that mind-boggling unless you realize he scored 26 in the first half and played only five minutes in the fourth quarter because the Lakers were in the process of beating the Hornets by 16 points.
Some of this is attributable to the Lakers' lack of big men. Pau Gasol has yet to play this season because of a hamstring injury, and Andrew Bynum missed the past two games with an elbow injury. So Bryant is taking it upon himself to replace over 14 feet of players and almost 40 points per game of offense.
"Nothing surprises me anymore, so I'm honestly not surprised at all," Lakers coach Phil Jackson said of Bryant's early scoring outburst. "Well, some of it certainly is. But he's the kind of guy [where] it doesn't mater if things are going well like that. He's going to want the ball and make them have to come double-team him, make them play him ... he's been doing a good job."
These days he does most of his work in the post. The Lakers are spreading the floor well, and feeding him at the edges of the paint, allowing him to go to work with his back to the basket and shoot fallaway jumpers over defenders. All but four of his 21 shots on Sunday were within 19 feet.
"With the two big guys out, I heard Phil out there yelling, 'Go block to block' -- every time, every possession," said Hornets guard Devin Brown. In his first start of the season, Brown had the misfortune of guarding Bryant. "That's all he was doing. I told one of the coaches, 'I don't think he went above the free-throw line in the first half.' It didn't seem like it to me. So when he gets on that block, he's very aggressive."
If Bryant hasn't been finishing at the hoop as strongly as he used to, he's looking comfortable dropping in soft jumpers.
"Even when I was a kid, I migrated to the post," Bryant said. "It's not something unnatural to me, like I'm trying something new. I'm used to playing down there."
Just doing what comes naturally, forcing his way into the NBA conversation. He's a big story ... because he's the same old story.