my point about waiting to see a hs player play against players there size and athletic ability is still ringing true
(first game 10pts 8 reb)
(2nd game 10pts 6reb)
first id like to say im not saying he doesnt have potential or that hes not gonna be good
now i say this every year when people on here or other sites are saying ,during the summer, how a highschooler is just as good as some nba allstar or good nba player and how when they get to college they are gonna dominate form jump ball.
alot say im a hater because i say "wait untill they play against better competition before saying what they will do. its ok to say what you think they might do because of what you seen in highschool but to say they will do this or that makes no sense when all you have seen them play against is guys they are older, bigger, stronger and more athletic than.
and its especially true for big guys because its rare that they ever play against a player as big as them and if they do most of the time the guy isnt as quick,strong or is younger then them....favors isnt the only one showing its alot harder to dominate players that are as big,fast as you are (or not much smaller or slower).
Henson has been affected by it not just by the players hes faced in games but by players on his own team..people forget that some of the player he plays behind where also allamericans or all something when they were in highschool and now they are a more seasoned better version of there highschool self.
this same thing happened to other players last year (samorio samuels,jru holiday,etc)
you cant think that just because a player dominates highschool it means they are gonna come in and dominate college. yeah there are cases were it happens but it not very often and when it does happen those players usually have a nba skills other than being able to jump higher or being bigger
I watched the game......that had to be one of the sloppiest most poorly executed games I've ever seen at this level. It was a sizzlin hot mess man.....nobody on either team played very good.
yep..im sure next year people will still be saying how a coupel of highchoolers will dominate like its a given..i said it during the summer and ill say it again "favors is good and has potential but he is still raw and other then his body and athletic ability the rest of his game is average and still developing"
Few and far between are the high school player who is able to make the jump from secondary school to NBA contributor. KG, Kobe, Stephen Jackson, Monta Ellis, all quality players of varying degrees took a while to become CONSISTENT contributors at the pro level. Derrick Rose (ROY), Tyreke, and B jennings all appear to have great game and may be proving to be exceptions, although it is only 12 games in for the rookies. But in general there is a mental component that many younger players lack as far as behaving as a pro would and preparing to play night in and night out over 82 games, (100 on a championship run). James, Melo and others have blurred the lines but the number of prep to pro failures makes one thing true more often than not, young players no matter how talented become great pro's by working their game under the guidance of trained professional coaching and front office staffs.
Two words: Two, Games
I don't think its the level of competition, only the fact that he is getting accustomed to a new system, a new league. Besides that freak Xavier Henry, no freshman has been dominating this season.
Point A (Derrick Favors' performance) does not lead to Point B (Individual success is directly related to the level of competition).
that makes sense if u didnt watch the games but watching the games you could see that he wasnt getting the shots he wanted with easy and had a hard time doing the things he did in hs..it was clearly the defference in comp and he will have to adjust to going against guys near his level physically
Him and Gani Lawal kept making moves into the teeth of the double team, especially Lawal. He was a robot on the low block. Chris Wright and Co. were playing great D.
and when favors didnt have a double team he had trouble just liek the first game...like i said hes still raw not ready to dominate like i said during the summer when some of ya'll on here was saying as many as 6 freshmen would come in and dominate from day one
I mean, it's only game 2. These guys could easily hit their strides as the ease into their roles and figure out the teams systems and such...they didn't dominate from Day 1, but it's not out of the question for them to be great players by mid-season. In fact, I would expect that to happen....
i never thought he would be a great player because he is average on offense and scores by athletisim. i think he will have a ok freshman year..has just looked ok against lower level competition so far..its only gonna get harder when they play better teams.
I think that saying you don't think a player is going that good is just as fast a judgment as saying a player is going to dominate for Day 1...Derrick Favors is clearly going to get better every game, and I have a hard time seeing him not being that good. He's going to get better, I've watched him play a whole lot of times, and he's gotten better after every time. He's a high upside player who could be dominant..just give him time
hes gonna be good in the future because he has alot of potential but i dont think he will be very good this year (prob his only year) in college because of how raw he is. i think he may end up averaging around 13 and 7 which isnt bad for a freshman. i havnt watched him play a whole lot in hs not that it matters because this isnt hs) but i have watched him every game this year and he looked the same each game. hes also not a very active player which was a knock on him in hs that he doesnt bring it every game...like i said before this isnt hs and its a whole different ball game when you are going gainst guys closer to your size and who make you have to go to a second go to move. big guys always have trouble the first year in college because of that..with a couple of exceptions
Watch, he'll get 15 and 9 at least....he's going to be a good player by conference play, which is what really matters.
And I brought up HS because it's the only way I got to see him play besides now, and no matter the level of competition, development is development. He has a jump shot, the ability to take ball after a rebound coast-to-coast and pass or finish that he didn't have when he was a sophomore. He's not going to get to show that off alot in college, and maybe even the NBA, but he has some good skills in his arsenal that someone who's "raw" usually don't hve. That shows he'll put in the work to develop parts of his game to being the best. Players like that usually succeed sooner or later.
actually both out of conference and in conference matters..any good player or coach will tell you it all matters...high school cant be brought it because you dont have the same defenders going against you..a big man can handle the ball alot more in hs and look like a guard then he can in college because the defenders arent as good or athletic and some are scared of you. gotta remember at this level everyone was someone in hs and had more freedom because it wasnt as hard and you could get away alot more with just being athletic..when you get to college you need to be able to use more skill and if you arent a true sf or a truly good shooter then it will show in college...simply put he isnt a dominate player he is a potential player which is what i said during the summer you cant judge for sure what a player will do in college from what they did in hs because the competition level is alot better...gani is there best player down low and favors will complement him..he will struggle just like gani did when he was a freshman and had the hype behind him as a allamerican
high school isnt hard to dominate especially when you are alot bigger and more athletic then everyone else
but we shall see...i just hope that after mid season some fans on here, that had him being as good as beasley or a better rebounder defender or player then amare or other nba stars, dont start coming up with excuses like.."he doesnt get the ball enough or its the offense"
I expect Favors to average a double-double this season. Anything else would be a disspointment with the skills he has. He is also a defensive monster and I wouldn't be surprised at all to see his get his blocks per game average up to 2-3, even if he hasn't had one in his first two games.
Favors was in foul trouble in both of the first two games. He dominated today with 18 points and 7 rebounds. Had 16 in the second half and finished perfect from the field and free throw line. He really hasn't struggled but didn't get the ball that much when he was in the game in the first two games.
hes not gonna dominate this year..regardles how many excuses some of ya'll give him..hes not beasley or durant..he will have a good year but not a all acc or all american year as some of ya'll overzealous people said during the summer..and some of ya'll have to stop jut looking at stats and watch the games..he had 3 fouls total each game and the reason he didnt shoot more was because he would make his move and the defender would be wit him step for step so he would have to pass it....and yeah he played well against george mason but they arent a real good team either..and 18 and 7 isnt dominating..if ya'll watched you would know he didnt dominate...and how about we wait till he plays against real comp like we all do when a mid major guy does real good against other mid major teams...(eric maynor and step curry)...ya'll dont give them props untill they prove it against a major team and players correct??..so how about we do the same with the freshmen
Can we say Brandon Jennings 55 point game doesn't mean much? He was playing the Warriors after all. Most Division 2 college teams play better defense than the Warriors.
cant compare low college teams to low nba teams..and if its so easy to score that much against the warriors how come no one else has done it...and truth be told there guards dont give up more points per game then a couple other teams....
Why can't I compare them?
Brandon Jennings = NBA player/Rookie - Golden State Warriors = NBA Team/Mediocre
Derrick Favors = NCAA Player/Freshman - George Mason Patriots = NCAA Team/Mediocre
Seems perfectly fair.
I'm not saying it's easy to score 55 points against anyone. I'm also not saying that Favors only played well because he was playing a mediocre team.
lol quincy its obvious you hate favors for some reason. he is a BEAST and will dominate this year....you have no idea what youre talking about... just because he doesnt drop 30 doesnt mean he isnt dominant. Georgia Tech has more weapons than either Texas or K State when they had Durant or Beasly so hes not getting the same oppurtunities.
Quincey isn't hating on Favors. He says the same stuff about pretty much everybody. I know it seems like he is trying to suck the fun out of scouting, but he is just making his points. He is not a hater.
lol..he will dominate ball4life?..really..have you watched him play yet cuz i have..he may play well but he will not dominate..hes the second best big man on his team with gani being first...this isnt high school any more and hes no where near beasley or durant who dominated..and gt has more weapons??..are you serious...did you see who they lost too?..or went to overtime with?..or barely beat?..lol..youre a funny guy..i say what i say because im a realist and i like to see someone prove it before jumping on there bandwagon
i dont know about you but averaging 12pts 7 reb a 1 blk 2 turnovers while being the third leading scorer and barely being the second leading rebounder against the likes of dayton,florida a&m and george mason just doesn't scream DOMINATING to me. guess we have different definitions to what dominating is.
Yes high school is different from college. I didn't expect him to come in dominate right away but after he adjusts to the college game I expect him to dominate.
Uhhh they lost to a top 25 dayton team after they returned 4 starters from a team that won 27 games last year. The exhibtion game they were trying different lineups which is why is why it was close. Favors is playing with 2 first round picks Iman Shumpert and Gani Lawal along with a couple other potential NBA players. They are stacked this year. You need to understand it's still early in the year and many teams struggle early on in the season.
which brings me to my point of how when they played a good team favors had a regular game...all i see is you making excuses...hes not a domintae player its that simple..he has potential but right now he isn't..durant,beasley,blake was dominate with a couple of very good players on there team..and what are you smoking" 2 first rounders on his team"..gani is a maybe first rounder and i dont see on any mock draft where shumpert is close to being a first rounder. hes putting up 13 points a game on a ok team so how u figure hes a first rounder?...and a couple of other potential nba players?....if those statements were true trust me they would be ranked awhole lot higher and would have blown out goerge mason and not have lost to dayton...come back to reality
Dude its been 3 freakin games. I think you need to slow down saying he is not a dominant player. Jesus man at first i thought you were kidding but WOW. He will start dominating soon...And GT was blowing out George Mason but they missed free throws which allowed the score look closer. GT whipped George Mason. The same George Mason team that lost to #6 Villanova the day before by 1. And uhh Gani Lawal right now is listed as a late first rounder and you haven't seen any websites list Shumpert as a first rounder? How about the site that youre on. He's listed as going #17 in 2011 mock draft.
hes not a dominate player..dominate plays show they are dominate from day way...melo,durant,beasley,....favors shows no signs of being a dominate player this year..you getting potential mixed up with that a player can do now...ive watched all three games and he clearly shows he wont be a dominate player right now..he has no dominate skills..hes a pf that score by his athletic ability and close to the baskets shots...and it easy to say whos gonna be dominate this early because dominate players show it. gani is the best player on there team this year and hes showed it...and it doesnt matter how many points you lose to a team..a lost is a lost....and 2011 draft..wow really.....thats 2 drafts away meaning hes not a nba player right now..if you go by that they most teams in the top 25-top 50 have 2 or more nba players on there team...whats gonna be youre excuse later in the season when favors still isnt dominate...name me some players who were dominate that started the season like favors and had no above average offensive skill?...actually not player name me one freshman who has?..just one
LMAO. I'm done arguing with you if you think he hasn't shown any signs of being dominant. The dude dropped 18 points on 6 freakin shots yesterday. He has a very good offensive game and hasn't even gotten the ball a lot in the first 3 games. Also it would not suprise me if Shumpert leaves after this year and being a first round pick in the 2010 draft. What will your excuse me when Favors does start to dominate?
obviously you havent watched the games..he does get the ball but he hasnt been able to get his shot off because the guys checking him doesnt allow him too. you have to stop just looking at stats and go watch the games or else you wont know whats really going on.......and if shumpert leaves this year with the way hes playing then he is a dummy.
freshmen who have dominated or played very well from the day 1
beasley-27 and 15 with another nba player on his team
rose- 17 and 4 with another first rounder on his team
gordan-27 with another nba playe ron his team
love-19 and 10 with other nba players on his team
each freshmans stats went down when they started playing in conference games...not all was dominate but they played pretty good...in my opinion favors wont reach any of those guys stats or awards during the season
i dont see him being on odens level,durant,melo, all of which dominated or played very very well from day 1...and all of whom had a nba skill other then being athletic.
alonzo,joe smith,pat ewing,ron mercer...all of which started out better....like i said i dont see favors dominating..but potential he could be a ok-good player this year
yeah you should stop arguing untill you start watching the sames then you can know what you're talking about..ive actually watched each game
Dude listen. IT HAS BEEN 3 GAMES. How can you say he won't be as dominant as some of the players you mentioned when it's BEEN 3 GAMES. Not to mention in the first two games HE WAS IN FOUL TROUBLE. I guerentee you that if someone like Beasley was in foul trouble he wouldn't dominate. Favors has scored 2 points in the first half in the first 3 games while 8, 8, and 16 in the second half. So lets see if he can stay out of foul trouble and play that well in both haIves he will be dominant. NOT DOUBT IN MY MIND. If he averages 12 ppg for the rest of the season then you have a valid agruement but right now its pointless comparing them. I have seen all 3 games and Favors has had the potenial to dominate. Same applys for Shumpert...lets wait in see how he plays this season before saying hes not an NBA player after 3 GAMES.
Oh yea ive watched all 3 games too. Not sure what youre talking about.
whats funny is beasley wa sin foul trouble....and favors has only been in foul trouble in the first half..he only picks up 3 fouls. ..simply put EVERY freshman that has played very well or dominated has done that from day one...favors has the potential to dominate next year but he wont dominate this year...dominate means making a all american tem while leading youre team to alot of wins and making first team all conference or player of the year...he will not do any of thoses...he will be the second option on this team just like hes been...haven't you noticed that the plays down low have been ran more for gani?..do you know why that is?..because he is a better player right now and favors has a problem turning the ball over. its only 3 games but players that dominate in the history of the ncaa have shown that in three games. most have shown in 1 game...and when he proves game after game that hes not gonna dominate please dont come with a bunch of excuses why he isnt dominating( foul trouble,not getting the ball enough,not enough plays for him,coach doesnt like him) because players that dominate over come all of that and still dominate
and if you watched all three games then how would you not know that he touchs the ball many times during the game and that he has a hard time creating a shot for his self?..or that he is raw and can only score on a consistent basis when hes under the basket?
He hasn't touched the ball as many times as he should I meant. They need to look to him on every half court possession but they haven't. Again Favors is a lot more skilled then you say.
So you can predict the future now? How do you know he won't lead his team to victories or make the all acc team ect. Also the GT coaches want to get the ball inside to both Favors and Lawal not just Lawal. There are no set plays for Gani..what are you talking about? Oh yea Gani has turned the ball more than twice as many times as Favors has this season.
lol..look for him on every possession?..lol..now the reason hes not dominating is because the coach doesn't know what he's doing..i dont need to predict the future to know....like i stated and prove..every freshman that has dominated has done it from day one...and as the season goes on and teams get scouting reports it becomes harder to and harder to dominate thats just a fact. and the facts of watching him on top of remembering history and seeing he has no dominate skill right now other then being a good athlete leads me to my opinion. hes not the teams number one option because hes not the best player on the team..its that simple...most potential, defiantly. but thats far down the road. so far the games,stats speak for them selfs..thats the best way to prove you are a dominate player and all past dominate freshmen have proved it
LOL this arguement is pointless we both just keep saying the same thing. You dont think he will be dominant, I do. We'll just see how he does the rest of the season.
Also Greg Oden was averaging 2 more points per game then Favors was after 3 games. How is that so much more dominant then Favors?
hummm did you forget he missed the first what 8 games with a injury and was playing with his off hand?..man that makes favors look even worst now..lol
Lol so? He was healthy enough to play. Looks like Oden wasnt dominant from day 1 like you said...lol
Also Favors has been pretty damn dominant defensively blocking and altering shots while looking solid on the offensive end.
and still dominated with his off hand..favors cant even do what he was doing with 2 good hands/healthy, and not missing any games. more reasons why i dont see him being a dominate player this year.....there just isnt any proof of a freshman starting like this then dominating...sorry
Ok so Oden averages 14 ppg and hes dominant but Favors averages 12 ppg and hes no where close to being dominant? WTF lol.
lol..hes pretty damn near dominate in blks?????? he averages 1 blk a game and isnt even in the top 200 in college basketball in blks.....wow thats soooooooo dominate..lol...keep reaching buddy
I still can't tell if your serious. Its not like Favors is playing bad or anything. Hes scored in double figures all 3 games so hes been solid. So you'd be surprised if he went from being solid in first 3 college games to being domiant? I guess he won't adjust or improve the entire season. Not to mention hes probably the youngest player on the floor every game.
and this is where you seem to just go by stats..oden lead his team to the ncaa title game on top of beating good teams.leading his team in scoring,rebounds,blks with another top 5 pick and first rounder on his team and making first team all american.....after each game people where like" man he is good or he is dominating"...i dont recall anyone saying that about favors nor any prediction of gt going far
I guess you dont understand the game of basketball. Its funny how he had 3 blocks yesterday when he wasnt in foul trouble but didn't have any blocks in the first two games BECAUSE HE WAS IN FOUL TROUBLE. He wasn't challenging any shots because he didn't want to pick up any cheap fouls. Favors is a domiant defensive player and it wont be to long to where he starts domianting offensively even though hes been solid so far.
DUDE are you freaking serious. Youre the one the making the big deal on the stats not me. Wow I hope youre just playing around.