Last night I watched Chase Budinger torch Philadelphia and asked myself why he didn't do that at Arizona where he never lived up to the hype. I thought about it for awhile and then it came to me.
Budinger is one of those players who cannot be the main man, which was the expectation for him at Arizona. In the NBA, Budinger is the 3rd or 4th option and that's where I think he's most comfortable. There are a number of similar players who do very well in a supporting role, but they can't handle being a star.
What do you guys think?
and also he is not the main focus on the other teams end, he was constantally double teamed or another defender was running at him.
fcastig0220, I'm not sure what you're trying to say with that link. It doesn't mean anything to me. Even if it did, you don't judge players solely by numbers.
There are very few people who believe, or believed, that Budinger lived up the the hype at Arizona. Most knowledgeable basketball people felt he was a disappointment. They never saw the big improvement expected each year as he moved from freshman to sophomore, and then became a junior. There were good reasons why Budinger didn't go until number 45 in last spring's draft.
I'm not saying Budinger was a bad player in college, but he never came close to realizing his potential. If he lived up to the hype at Arizona, as you believe, two things would have happened. The first, Arizona would have had better teams/records and second, Budinger would have been drafted in the first round of what was a relatively weak draft earlier this year.
It's pretty difficult to improve upon 15.6 PPG and 5.8 RPG as a shooting guard in the Pac-10.
I understand that you can't judge a player solely by his numbers, but I can't even fathom how 18 PPG and 6 RPG would equate to "disappointment."
I'm sorry that he didn't put up JJ Redick or Adam Morrison-type numbers.
I guess anything less than that constitutes as failure.
This isn't a video game, after all, sweet pea.
And regarding your last two points, sorry, but basketball isn't a one-man sport; Budinger could only do so much at Arizona.
Results only occasionally correlate to draft position.
See: Jerel McNeal, AJ Price, Sam Young, and DeJuan Blair.
One of the best picks of the draft by far. Scouts really screwed up on him and Blair who both had 1st round ability.
fcastig0220, I never said Budinger was a failure, he was a very good player. I said he didn't live up to the hype that he would be the next super star at Arizona. There is a big difference between playing well and being a super star, but failing to live up to the hype doesn't mean he was at the opposite end of the spectrum.
And you're right, there isn't always a strong correlation between one's draft position and how one performs at the next level. But that wasn't my point, so let me try again.
If Chase Budinger had lived up to the hype that he received when he arrived at Arizona, he would have been a first round draft choice in what was a relatively weak draft. The fact that nobody selected him until choice number 45 confirms that basketball scouts/management from EVERY TEAM in the NBA felt he never reached his potential in college. Based upon his 3 years at Arizona, every team in the league rated him very low in terms of how he would perform at the next level. That's a FACT, it isn't my opinion.
Now that Budinger's in the league, he's playing much better than everyone anticipated. Hopefully over time his performance will prove every NBA GM was wrong about him.
Now about the numbers. I didn't watch a lot of games when he was at Arizona, but in the several that I did see, Budinger wasn't very impressive. His scoring numbers were OK, but he never seemed to be a major factor in the game. I never once saw him take over a game at crunch time and I didn't feel as if he was dominating in any phase of the game, which is what great players do. Hence, he didn't live up to the hype.
"The fact that nobody selected him until choice number 45 confirms that basketball scouts/management from EVERY TEAM in the NBA felt he never reached his potential in college."
He could've went that low because teams didn't know how well a player who lacks quickness, ball-handling skills and defensive ability would project in the NBA (which is exactly what happened). I don't think they passed on him solely because he didn't live up to his HS hype. I do believe that he didn't really live up to expectations, but he was extremely productive at Arizona...it was just a matter of whether or not his skill set and athletic traits were going to be 1st round worthy, and teams felt they were not. It's also worth mentioning that that Arizona program he played for was not your Mom and Dad's Arizona program. They were constantly in turmoil and had some coaching issues, which does hinder development. I've always thought he could be a Brent Barry type, but he should've probably been a 1st rounder.
Here's a quote I found at an internet basketball website, analyzing Budinger, who was a junior at the time of the quote. It says exactly what I've been saying in this thread, no more and no less.
"Lute Olsen called him the “best freshman I ever coached.” Some were disappointed that he failed to assert himself as a go-to guy for Arizona, as that’s just not the player he is. Even though he couldn’t quite live up to the hype, he is still an excellent prospect, and will likely develop into an outstanding role player in the NBA."
Very good quote there, rtbt.
Interesting -- maybe his lack of living up to the hype would have been more evident in watching his games.
I, too, didn't see a ton of Arizona games.