I'll tell you where the U.S. born White players are, they're in the Collegian ranks. Black players and Europeans spend much more time perfecting their niche due to primitive goals. In my neighborhood, Black players have a sense of charge by nature due to the poverty and crime adrenaline rush. They're always looking to show-up someone with dribbling or, what we call, the "posterization". This explains why the typical Black player - exception of Tim Duncan - have this hyperactive approach - Kevin Garnett voicing is the perfect depiction - desire. Players and prospects, to name, Derrick Rose and of late, John Wall, are blessed athletically. This is the one benefit of growing up in inner-cities. But, in some cases, mostly, their skills are very raw and are considered "potential". Adversely, European players are more geared to practicing fundamentals from age 8 to 19 by professional handlers. Europeans are more aware of the rules, zones, court atlas, teamwork, and etc. These assets benefit them greatly. Overall, this heightens the understanding of their developed "Basketball IQ". So, to no surprise, most Whites don't have the determination, time, and economical-challenge that others are inclined with or bound to have. Intimidation could also be a factor with Whites playing in a field dominated by Blacks. That assumption can uncover the reason for poor talent in their geography. You'll notice that most Whites are populated in the Collegian ranks; this is the product of economical availability. They may not be NBA product but they're much more convenient to build with, due to, once again, availability - Brandon Jennings situation last summer reveals the obvious. This is why Black students get the rap that while they're in college, it's a immense change that they're student athletes - stereotypical of course. Once and for all, you can simulate this to life and past effects - poverty creates will - understanding polishes goal.
For real, you aren't contributing to the board by doing this......
you could leave a link and maybe discuss some of your thoughts here instead of just telling us to go to your blog.
this tends to be a sensitive topic. I will say this based on personal experience though. Black highschool kids tend to take basketball more seriosuly then white kids, at least where I grew up. I was the only white player on my team my senior year, and the black kids would put some peer pressure on each other to play ball and to not get shown up on the court. White kids, if they were not very good would just find something else to do. They didn't seem to have that sense of I need to prove myself on the court as much. Of course there were always exceptions. Many white kids loved the game and played it non stop and were very good and competitive. But it just seemed more common with black kids that it was something they felt they were supposed to be good at so they pushed themselves a little more. Basketball seemed to be a way of establishing yourself and getting acceptance/recognition from other black kids. With my white friends, no one cared if I played ball. They were into skating and guitar and stuff. So I do think there is a cultural influence to this subject. Not trying to start anything here just speaking my mind a little.
all Im gonna say is Larry Bird Steve Nash (I know hes from canada but same thing pretty much)
I agree. This topic blows but it's a issue in the NBA.
We need the next "insurgent" of white players.
Kevin Love has started the rebirth...
Bigger, Faster, Stronger. The NBA game is one in which athleticism and size is huge. It's not everything, because there are a lot of guys that are big and freak athletes that don't make it. If you are undersized or lack some desired NBA dimension you better be able to make up with it with some kind of skill that a lot of other guys don't have. The way the game is played is part of the reason a guy like Chase Budinger will probably be a better pro than he was a college player.
A guy like Steve Nash has vision and a shooting touch that is second to none. You are looking at guys like Lebron James that is 6'8" all muscle and can do anything. A guy like Dwight Howard hasn't even tapped into his full potential and he's already a defensive player of the year. Go out on the wing and try to stop Dirk, the 7 footer and he may drive past you. In the NBA a guy like Tim Duncan is extremely rare in that he does a little bit of everything well. It's a game where if you can't stop Kobe can you at least outscore him? It's nothing about race, color or ethnicity. Anyone that plays knows this. The only thing I hope for is the best players in the NBA. To me that means getting rid of some of this stiffs that are only in the league because they are 7 feet tall like the Collins Twins and Shavlik Randolph. They are taking the place of smaller guys that know how to play.
I'd say David Lee started the rebirth before Love. There are some good white players but for the most part black players are just more athletic.
Oh and to answer the question to where all the white players have gone............INDIANA haha
I just don't get how Dirk isn't white and Pietrus isn't black they are European. But Tim Duncan and Ben Gordon are black and they from the Virgin Islands and England respectively, hell Kobe was born in Italy is he European now? I think if you are going to make the whole black/white NBA arguement you can't create a 3rd category, unless you specify white american players.
The 'white' American players are in Indiana and they are doing pretty well at the moment without DG. Both Dunleavy and Murphy are playing at a high level not to mention Tyler Hansbrough is doing well over the last 4 games.
Travis Diener, Mike Dunleavy Jr., Troy Murphy, Tyler Hansbrough, Josh McRoberts and Jeff Foster.
We have more white players on our roster than any other team in the league. People can get mad at me if they want and make this out to be a racist issue, but I think it's ridiculous. Larry Bird should be ashamed of himself. This isn't the 70's-80's when the game was about fundamentals. The NBA is about athleticism, speed and quickness now. It's a widely known and accepted fact that not many white guys have those qualities. Bird needs to quit searching and reaching for the next white player to excite the NBA and put a team out there that can compete. Our team is probably the least athletic team in the league. We've ranked at the bottom of the league in dunks the last few seasons. Majority of our front court positions are held by white players and it's no surprise we have the least athletic front court in the NBA. You can't win in the NBA with that.
you think bird should be ashamed of himself? I mean you named 6 white guys and Foster was there before bird took over and Diener and MCroberts barely play and will likely be gone soon so I wouldn't say he is building around white guys. This offseason he signed Watson, Luther Head and DJones to help. Hansbrough was a solid pick. The year before he drafted Rush and Hibbert. He made a trade for TJ Ford. They are building around Granger. Solomon Jones sucks but you aren't calling him out. 75% of the league is black and as soon as one GM happens to have 6 white dudes on his team, he should be ashamed for that? Maybe he should be ashamed for building a bad team, how about that and we just leave race out of it.
Anyone that questions Larry Bird's desire to win should shut up, stop writing and go watch some tape of Bird playing. He's a guy that wants to win no matter who he has to put on the team. As for the guys Indiana has, there is not one guy that I would question whether or not he has NBA talent. I take that back...Solomon Jones (black) and Josh McRoberts (white)... not too sure if they should be in the league.
Josh McRoberts is not black, he did have a pretty great dunk in the preseason though, but nothing more than a 10th man
Where did you read I said he's building around white guys? Don't put words in my mouth.
I've had this debate with you before. You can call it what you want... Twist it how you want. I'm just keeping it real. White guys aren't as athletic and the NBA is all about athleticism. You win with athleticism in the NBA. I'm sorry Llperez22... No disrespect, but that's just the way it is. You said it yourself... 75% of the NBA is black. Why do you think that is? It's because black players are more athletic. That's why we took a risk on Solomon Jones. He's tall, long and athletic and we desperately need that in a front court that has no athleticism. He hasn't worked out, but he gets paid chump change unlike Murphy who gets paid over $11 million and Dunleavy who gets paid almost $10 million.
You're making this about race. I'm making this about the facts of NBA basketball in 2009. It's like marketing. You market differently to different demographics. You have to understand demographics in order to be successful when it comes to marketing. That's just the way it is. The NBA is about athleticism. Why would you build a roster that's 40% white in a league that's dominated by athleticism? That's bad marketing and not understanding demographics. I've criticized Bird for MANY things on here, NOT just the fact I think he overreaches on white players. Mainly... I feel he's lost touch with the demographics of the NBA.
you said he is getting white players and I'm making it about race? come on dude, you are making it about race. Why not say larry bird is putting a bad team together and leave race out of it? That's what I'm saying but you accuse me of making this about race? McRoberts is athletic and Murphy and Dunleavy are the temss 2nd and third best players. Murphy had like 26 and 12 tonight. Foster is also pretty athleitc. Where is FOrds consistency? Where is the fact that Dunleavy and granger have been in out with injuries? Where is the fact that guys like hibbert and rush are still developing? You can keep claiming that i'm twisting your words, but plain and simple you have and continue to bring up how bird is doing a bad job by getting white players. There is no twisting those words around.
My bad. I know McRoberts isn't black. I meant to put white. I saw him play at Duke and really thought he would end up better than he has.
You said it yourself that the league was 75% black. Bird has built a roster that's 40% white and you're shocked something is being said about it? There's a reason the NBA is 75% black. Not because it just wants black players. It's because black players are more athletic and that's what dominates the NBA. This isn't the 70's-80's anymore when fundamentals were about equal with athleticism. You keep twisting this to literally be about black and white, when it's not...
It's about athleticism. That's why I keep saying you're the one who's making it about race. I'm making it about what's successful in the NBA. Fault me all you want that black players are more athletic than white players. I'm just stating facts though. Apparently you're too sensitve to hear that. You keep on making this a black vs white thing...
Just like Jon Barry (a white player) said on Outside the Lines. "I knew what Dominique Wilkins was going to do everytime I defended him. He'd fake left, go right and I'd be there every time, but I still couldn't stop him. There was just nothing I could do about it because he was more athletic."
I'm too sensitive to hear about blacks being more athletic? You obviously missed that entire thread a few days ago where I was going back and forth for awhile about blacks being more athleitc. I'm one of the users to openly admit that without hesitation. You can ask Igggy9, joewolf, rtbt, 8thdeadlysin, any of them. And I'll repepat the facts about this argument again, you say that Larry Bird should be ashamed for putting this team together because it has 6 white players and whites are not athletic. Okay, Mcroberts and foster are athletic. so that leaves us 4 white guys. Diener is the 15th man and never plays, so he is irrelevant to the teams success. So now you have Murphy, dunleavy and Hansbrough, not great athletes, but they make up for it in other areas. It is possible that a player could be good and do his job while not being athletic. I'm sure any team would love to have those guys. They are not the problem. So why do you continue to say Bird overrates white players and should be ashamed for having 6 of them?
and you say it's not a white black thing, but you directly call out guys like Dunleavy and murphy because thye are white but don't mention the fact that guys like Solomon, FOrd and AJ Price are not doing as much as they should or are contributing heavily. Why is that? Is it that they are black?
This is a never ending thing. Everyone can argue one way or another but nothing said on this forum is going to change how people see black and white. Personally, I dont see race on a basketball floor. To me, we are all the same. We are basketball players. Whether we are white, black, red, yellow, ect, ect, we are all united by the color orange. So, why does it matter?
I didn't say Larry Bird should be ashamed because of having white players. If we had Chris Anderson it wouldn't be a problem. If we had David Lee it wouldn't be a problem. I said he should be ashamed for ignoring the demographics of the NBA... That athleticism is the dominate factor now. This isn't the 70's-80's anymore. It's a known fact that white players aren't as athletic, but Bird has built a roster made up of 40% white players who aren't athletic. You said it yourself... The NBA is 75% black due to the athleticism factor. You keep saying Foster is athletic, which he's not. McRoberts is actually one of my best friends... I've been friends with him since 5th grade. He's athletic vertically, but not the type of athlete that dominates in the NBA. No player on a NBA roster is irrellivant since they play in practice and are supposed to push the starters, role players, etc.
I didn't say a team wouldn't love to have Dunleavy, Murphy and Hansbrough... I just don't think they should be the best players on a NBA basketball team. I think Bird overreached by trading for them to begin with, thinking they could be better than what they are. Bird actually thinks Hanbrough will be a star in the NBA eventually.
All of those players you mentioned other than Ford aren't getting paid anything significant. They were all late/cheap pickups to fill voids. How can you say I haven't been critical of TJ Ford??? I've criticized him many of times on here.
I'm through debating about this dude. I feel you're taking it personal. I started playing ball when I was 3 years old at the YMCA and ended playing when I was 22 at Indiana State University. I've played with players of all races dude and majority of them are still my friends today. This isn't really a sensitive issue to me at all because I know what I stand for and what my values are. I'm just looking at this from a factual standpoint. The NBA is dominated by athleticism.
you think I'm taking it personal? How so? You said I was too senistive and was putting words in you rmouth and I just stated my opinions never once calling you sensitive. trust me, I'm just debating this topic with you and no personal feelings. And I think you are changing your argument here. You are acting like this has nothing to do with race and I'm the one making it about race. Go back and read you very first post. You started this with "dunleavy, murphy, diener, hansbrough, foster, and mcroberts. We have more white players then anyone in the league." That was your first sentence and yet I'm the one who made this whole thing about race? If a white guy can ball, it don't matter if they are elite athletes. You are blaming things on white guys and ignoring all the other issues about health, young players, lack of talent, and inconsistent play from the team as a whole which I tried to bring up. I said from the get go, just say Bird put together a bad team and leave it at that, but you didn't, you continued to bring race into it.
The title of this thread is "Where are the 'White' players?" The guy above me said they're all in Indiana, hence me posting "Travis Diener, Mike Dunleavy Jr., Troy Murphy, Tyler Hansbrough, Josh McRoberts and Jeff Foster. We have more white players on our roster than any other team in the league."
it's all good. we disagreed on this before and will probably again. SO how about my boy Kobe tonight?
I mouthed "This dude is amazing" to myself again lol.
I'm out of here though man. My girlfriend is mad I've been on the computer for hours lol. On the real though... My bad if anything offended you! Just two different views I guess man.
no need to say my bad for anything, it's all respect. later.
Guys, the fact of the matter is: people of African descent are more genetically predisposed to have more testosterone than Whites and Asians. It's been proven again and again in academia. Here's a link to a particular researcher who's said this.
Based on this fact alone, we can make logical inferences about why blacks (as a whole) are better suited to play basketball.
Fact: Testosterone facilitates muscle growth; stronger players are better, in general
Fact: Testosterone augments aggression; we always complain about how white players (as a whole) need to play more aggressively.
Fact: Testosterone augments competitiveness; this explains why, as previously posted, black people want to show each other up on the basketball court (more than white people, at least)
because black males (as a whole) have more testosterone, three key aspects of what it takes to be a good basketball player are enhanced for them
OK... I also read up on it that Blacks have quicker skeletal and motor skills development. (once again according to Dr. J Phillipe Rushton). This would allow for the black kids to essentially mature faster than your average white kid. This leads to the black kids having an advantage when playing bantam or lower level basketball. This early development will make coaches and parents actually fathom the idea of basketball as a career and push these kids to their limit to become the best basketball players they can be.
That's part of why there are more blacks in the NBA.
I ain't dropping hate, I'm just dropping KNOWLEDGE
Rushton also has published extensively on racial differences on IQ. So I would not use his research as a reliable source on racial differences unless you agree with his conclusions that whites and Asians have one standard deviations above blacks on mean IQs.
The man just brings knowledge. But for real why is this a topic. Are some white people turned off from basketball because they don't see any white dudes on the court or they don't see anyone they can identify with? Do white people look at Dirk or Steve Nash and identify with them? I am white and I don't identify with them or anyone else in the league. i just love to play and watch the game and that is all that matters. And aren't the majority of people going to games white? I mean if the NBA is doing well and putting out a good product who cares where the white players are? Why can't people just be grateful for the game being part of their life? because if you post on this site, i am pretty sure basketball is a big part of it. The NBA doesn't need white players just like MLB doesn't need black players. And you know what I am fine with that because I don't look at race, I look at who is good and who isn't.
There is no proof blacks are better athletes. The reason for only 10% of the NBA being white Americans is due to lack of interest and discouragement of whites , extremely strong interest by blacks, and rampant discrimination against white American basketball players.