Does anyone think Toney Douglas will start at the Point???
This move to get Rodriguez makes his chances alot lower. I've never thought he was a true PG, and I'm not convinced he'll ever be more than a backup PG. He's a very similar player to Acie Law IMO
I am confused the 2011 1st rounder I have read the Rockets can swap with the knicks and it is top 1 protected, so the Knicks don't lose there 2011 1st round pick then, right?
No, the Knicks have a 2011 pick, so do the rockets...but the rockets have the right to swap picks with the Knicks, as long as the pick isnt #1 overall
But we do lose our 2012 pick, unless...its in the top 5
They only get to keep it if it is the number 1 pick... Then the next year they only get to keep their first round pick if it is top 5...
yes, NY still has a 2011 1st rounder
Thanks all. I don't see a swap as a bad thing, remember when the Bulls did it with us back in 2007. They got Joakim Noah and we got Wilson Chandler, so that wasn't so bad.
You must have amnesia lol.
Walsh walked into Isiah's mess. The Knicks were one of the worst teams in the league with one of the highest payrolls in the league. They were going nowhere and you couldn't even see the light at the end of the tunnel. There was no talk about landing a max deal free-agent before he got there. If it wasn't for Walsh, you don't have that picture of LeBron James in a Knicks jersey as your profile picture.
Well said, sir, well said.
Oh, and everyones talking about the Knicks mistakes...
Just for conversation..
Does anyone think the Rockets made a mistake by trading Carl Landry? Or does Hill/Martin make him more replaceable?
While Jordan Hill and Kevin Martin are more talented players than Carl Landry with more potential. They lack the intangibles that Carl Landry possess, that playing hard to til the whistle mantra. Yes, I do believe Houston made a mistake for Carl Landry and will miss his toughness of the bench if they do happen to make the playoffs.
And even though Randolph and Crawford have done a complete 180 since they were traded from the Knicks... They were VERY difficult to trade during that time since they had multiple year contracts worth a lot of money. Walsh traded them both in one day and cleared up $27 million for the summer of 2010.
Many GM's considered Randolph's contract untradable. Not only did Walsh trade him, he got back Mobley who's contract has been covered by insurance.
Just becaz he's done better than Isiah mean very lil, most Gm's could've done that.
The fact that his draft history has been uneven lately with the Knicks and Pacers is alarming.
A lot of Gm's have dumped salary its a lot easier when the other team is looking to dump a player.
Dealing with the Warriors and Clips Gm's not like dealing with Jerry West.
Look what the Warriors got for Stephen Jackson.
Its not just about making salary dumps, what else has he done outside of the 3 cap saving deals.
Other teams have shed contract like the Bulls, Nets.
Knicks cutting payroll is only for cap purposes they've never been a team shy with spending even before Isiah.
Dime a dozen this draft is full of JORDAN Hills in the 2nd round let him goo..plenty of free agents. Knicks shouldve kept the draft picks though. Now all they need to do is get rid of Eddy Curry.....
NOT TOO BAD OF A TRADE FOR HOUSTON BECAUSE THEY STILL HAVE SCOLA. yes landry is good but i dont think it hurts them that much because they have scola as well as chuck. the knicks could end up looking good but its all on hopes of maybes with the free agent class. there moves arent that bad when you are looking long term , which some knick fans arent really looking at. alot of the fans are viewing short term when the knicks arent a short term fix. chances are that its gonna take years not months or a year before the knicks get to there goal of being a good team that makes the playoffs every year
Well said. The Knicks are still rebuilding I think they can compete for the playoffs in the 2011-12 season, and possibly next season depending on who they get. I have continued saying this if Joe Johnson and Mike D'antoni have no ill will then that's who the Knicks should get if Wade and LBJ fail. After that either resign Lee or do a sign and trade with Toronto for Chris Bosh if Toronto is unwilling to give CB4 a max contract. I am hoping with the Knicks early 2nd round pick they can get a Center who can start right away or contribute right away at least (Jerome Jordan crosses my mind). If all breaks right a starting 5 can be PG-Joe Johnson-Gallo-CB4-Center. Not bad if you ask me.
Those were three huge cap saving deals though lol. Randolph, Crawford and Jeffries combine to equal almost $35 million in cap space just in time for the greatest free-agency class in NBA history. I disagree with most GM's being able to do what he did. I don't remember a lot of GM's jumping up to take the Knicks job.
It's easy to criticize draft picks, but the truth of the matter is it's still too early to make a judgement. It's also hit and miss.
- There are only two players I would've selected ahead of Gallinari in the 2008 draft and they are Brook Lopez and Eric Gordon. I honestly believe Gallinari is going to be a very good player though.
- They did miss out on Jennings, but so did seven or eight other teams. Nobody knew Jennings would be as good as he's been. Every other GM passed up on Blair in the first round too. The kid is playing great this season, but he doesn't have any ACL's. If Walsh would've taken him in the first round and he blew out his knees during the first half of the season, you'd have been the first person to jump up and say Walsh was stupid for drafting a player with knee problems.
Give the man his due... Like I said... If not for him, you don't have a picture of LeBron James in a Knicks jersey as your profile picture.
of course you will say gordan because thats youre boy although i would have drafted him ahead of gallo as well as mayo and love and lopez. people sleep on love because hes not super athletic but hes very skilled and will be a very good player
Donnie Walsh has not made any bad moves, the Jazz getting the Knicks 1st round is from the Isiah Thomas administration which was apart the Stephon Marbury trade back in 2004. Also, the Knicks are on the right track, maybe in 3-5 years we can say that others were better than Gallo, but right now it can't be said.
actually all the ones that were named have been better then gallo so far
The Knicks are clearly in rebuilding mode. They gave up some pieces, but I feel like they finally have a clean slate... A fresh start.
If they don't land two superstar free-agents this summer, they'll turn their attention to the summer of 2011, which also has some solid free-agents. I think a lot of people are also sleeping on the fact that they could use Curry as a trade piece next season. His $11+ million expiring contract will receive some attention.
I was talking about the players that were drafted AFTER Gallo that the Knicks could've selected.
There are only two guys that I'd have taken over him, which are Lopez and Gordon. My point is, is that the Knicks took the closest to the best player available.
Walsh draft history in the 2000-2010 decade was
The 1st rounders: Jordan Hill, Tony Douglas, Danilo Gallinari, Danny Granger, Fred Jones, Primoz Brezec, David Harrison, Shawne Williams
2nd rounders: Jaquay Walls, Jamison Brewer, James Jones, Rashad Wright, Erazem Lorbek, Alexander Johnson
People just seem to remember him drafting Antonio Davis, Dale Davis, Rik Smits, Reggie Miller that was back in 87, 88, 90 and 91. Since than his best picks were Harrington and Granger and not much else.
Don't forget he drafted Dampier 10th over Nash, Kobe, J'Oneal, Fisher, Peja and Big Z
He's been bad drafting since the Davis picks in the early 90's.
I'm not the biggest Brandon Jennings fan but how good would the Knicks look with Jennings and Brook Lopez on the team.
yeah thats kinda bad
Y'all are really slipping. Gallinari will be one of the best scorers in the NBA in the future. Sure they could've gotten guys who are better now and a few that will be better in the future, but they really won't regret their decision to take him as much as y'all are making it seem.
It's easy to list a bunch of players and say they were bad picks, but you didn't even list when they were picked or what players were picked after them lol. A lot of those picks are from when the Pacers were contenders in the East. They usually drafted late in the first round.
We can lay out the resumes of every GM and there'll be bumps and bruises. There's no exact science to drafting players. It's honestly hit and miss.
Picking Granger at 17 in 2005 though was an absolute steal lol. We wanted Granger the whole time too.
Al Harrington at 25 in 1998 was a solid pick too. We got Travis Best at 23 in 1995.
If you look at the players drafted after our picks, besides in 1996, there weren't any big time players drafted afterwards. I mean, Carlos Boozer went in the 2nd round (34th) in 2002. We picked Fred Jones at 14 that year. I guess you can blame Walsh for that too lol. I mean, the draft is hit and miss though.
they didnt trade chandler
Maybe its too early to tell but they could use a Center like Lopez more they are harder to find.
I would like to see the Knicks buy a 1st round pick like they did last year and go for a center Jerome Jordan is at the top of my list of a guy worth taking in the late first round. I would like to see the Knicks try drafting Sherron Collins or Scottie Reynolds with one of there 2 2nd round picks. I would not mind the Knicks starting 5 next season being Toney Douglas-Joe Johnson-Gallo-CB4-Jerome Jordan with a bench of Wilson Chandler, Sergio Rodriguez, Sherron Collins, Eddie House maybe, Eddy Curry, and a few more bench spots.
Buying their way into the first round is definitely a possibility. They have the money to do it.
Listen, let's stop ripping Donnie Walsh...please
The man walked into hell with NO light, NO chances and turned this team around. It may not say that in the result of a playoff berth, championship or successful seasons but the man is making moves. As for the past? Walsh never was the balliest GM but he always kept a bend down brake style and made the good move. People forget that Pacer team made the playoffs every year in the 90's except 94. He got Indy to a finals in 2000. He made good moves but never THE move because he was never in position to make THE move.
In NY, he got rid of all the bad contracts and actually brought NY fans some hope. Isiah didn't do that and Layden sure as hell didn't. I expect Walsh to produce something in 2010 because we have all this cap space, we will probably buy a 1st rounder and look at FA. With Eddy Curry's contract and some teams looking to stay under the cap- Walsh might pull a rabbit out the hat and add a 1st rounder for 2012. Wait and See
Exactly what I'm saying... Just wait and see. The man has gone to work since joining the Knicks!
I'm knocking his picks thats all.
Not sure how highly he though of Jordan Hill now anywayz if he traded him.
To me guys are overrating Hill to say he's going to be like Amare or an All Star I don't see it.
He has a nice jump shot and can run the floor not much else, he doesn't rebound, defend and fouls a lot.
Lets see how he does in Houston since Laundry is gone and Yao is out he should get some minutes.
Just because he did will college means nothing now the game is totally diff. in the pros.
He struggled in the summer league, preseason and most of the season.
He was a nice spark off the bench in a couple of games thats all.
He got 32 mins the last 2 nights total against Taj Gibson and Tyrus Thomas not exactly 2 All Star and Noah was out.
32 mins 1-7 fg, 4-6 fts, 6 rebs, 2 to's, 0 block, 0 stls.6 pts, 4 fouls.