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  • #1260707
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    JazzP
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    Certainly way too early and there’s a wide pool of eligible contenders– It will be nice to see how NCAA and International rotations actually look when next season gets underway, it seems to me that there will be a lot of strong international prospects.

    But it does seem like NCAA rosters are (mostly) set, so it felt like a decent time to put a rough list together. This is what I have!

    1. Isaiah Collier, USC
    2. Ron Holland, G League
    3. Zaccharie Risacher, France
    4. Justin Edwards, Kentucky
    5. Matas Buzelis, G League
    6. Aaron Bradshaw, Kentucky
    7. Mackenzie Mgbako, Indiana
    8. Omaha Biliew, Iowa St.
    9. Cody Williams, Colorado
    10. Ja’Kobe Walter, Baylor
    11. Aday Mara, ??? (Spain last, UCLA next?)
    12. Judah Mintz, Syracuse
    13. Stephon Castle, UConn
    14. Thierry Darlan, G League
    15. Tyrese Proctor, Duke
    16. D.J. Wagner, Kentucky
    17. Izan Almansa, OTE
    18. Kyle Filipowski, Duke
    19. Bruce Thornton, Ohio St.
    20. Paulius Murauskas, Arizona
    21. Ryan Nembhard, Gonzaga
    22. Tidjane Salaun, France?
    23. Kwame Evans, Oregon
    24. Alexandros Samodurov, Greece?
    25. Elliot Cadeau, North Carolina
    26. Mohammad Amini, France?
    27. London Johnson, G League
    28. Nikola Djurisic, Serbia?
    29. Kel’el Ware, Indiana
    30. Xavier Booker, Michigan St.

    31. Tre White, Louisville
    32. Donovan Clingan, UConn
    33. Jared McCain, Duke
    34. Alexandre Sarr, Australia
    35. DaRon Holmes, Dayton
    36. Robert Dillingham, Kentucky
    37. Mark Mitchell, Duke
    38. Trentyn Flowers, Louisville
    39 .Bobi Klintman, Australia
    40. Tamin Lipsey, Iowa St.
    41. Cam Corhen, Florida St.
    42. Miles Kelly, Georgia Tech
    43. Dajuan Harris, Kansas
    44. Bronny James, USC
    45. Adem Bona, UCLA
    46. Juan Nunez, Germany?
    47. Spencer Jones, Stanford
    48. R.J. Davis, North Carolina
    49. Berke Buyuktuncel, Turkey?
    50. Arthur Kaluma, Kansas St.
    51. Zach Edey, Purdue
    52. Kobe Johnson, USC
    53. K.J. Adams, Kansas
    54. Tobias Jensen, Germany?
    55. Mouhamed Faye, ??? (only played on “Next Generation” teams in tournaments so far)
    56. Ruben Prey, Spain?
    57. Armando Bacot, North Carolina
    58. Hunter Dickinson, Kansas
    59. Mantas Rubstavicius, Lithuania?
    60. Noam Yaacov, Israel?

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  • #1260709
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    Pretty good long list/mock the only guy who jumped out to be as being a bit low was Donovan Clingan but he is purely being judged on upside at the moment so will need to develop in his soph year to be a first round pick.

    I hadn’t read that Mara was looking to go to UCLA that will certainly give us a good line where he is compared to Bradshaw, Kyle Flip, Donovan etc. I didn’t realise that guys who were already pro could join an NCAA team either.

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    • #1260713
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      I kinda wanna see Clingan show he can play more minutes and really break from a low-mobility archetype that grabs Zach Edey first, but his per-minute effectiveness was undeniably extraordinary and I’m no real scout. I can see it if I’m undervaluing him right now.

      I didn’t know about Mara’s plans to go to UCLA until today either but apparently that has been in the works for a little while. It doesn’t seem like his Spanish team is allowing it so there’s some complications there, but supposedly that is his declared intent. Paulius Murauskas played for Lietkabelis in Lithuania’s LKL and in the Eurocup too before signing at Arizona, I’m not sure how the rules of that work but it certainly makes it easier to compare them as prospects! I might be overvaluing Murauskas a bit but I think he might have an opportunity for playing time and that his experience will show.

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  • #1260715
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    I would put UF’s Riley Kugel in the first round next year as well but definitely a good long list looking in to next year.

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  • #1261556
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    A few international leagues kick off this weekend, and there’s been plenty of roster updates abroad (even if there’s a few spots left to fill out). I have been updating my big boards and mock drafts, and while I think it’s interesting how much my current mock has circled back to the one I posted here a few months ago, there are certainly a few changes, so I figured I’d list an update:

    1. Isaiah Collier, USC (previous: 1)
    2. Ron Holland, G-League Ignite (previous: 2)
    3. Justin Edwards, Kentucky (previous: 4)
    4. Matas Buzelis, G-League Ignite (previous: 5)
    5. Aaron Bradshaw, Kentucky (previous: 6)
    6. Stephon Castle, UConn (previous: 13)
    7. Ja’Kobe Walter, Baylor (previous: 10)
    8. Mackenzie Mgbako, Indiana (previous: 7)
    9. Cody Williams, Colorado (previous: 9)
    10. Izan Almansa, G-League Ignite (previous: 17)
    11. Kwame Evans, Oregon (previous: 23)
    12. Jarin Stevenson, Alabama (previous: not ranked)
    13. Zaccharie Risacher, JL Bourg-en-Bresse – France (previous: 3)
    14. Kel’el Ware – Indiana (previous: 29)
    15. Judah Mintz, Syracuse (previous: 12)
    16. Trentyn Flowers, Adelaide – Australia (previous: 38)
    17. Aday Mara, UCLA (previous: 11)
    18. Omaha Biliew, Iowa St. (previous: 8)
    19. Donovan Clingan, UConn (previous: 32)
    20. Hansen Yang, Qingdao – China (previous: not ranked)
    21. London Johnson, G-League Ignite (previous: 27)
    22. Ruben Prey, Joventut Baladona – Spain (previous: 56)
    23. DJ Wagner, Kentucky (previous: 16)
    24. Alexandre Sarr, Perth – Australia (previous: 34)
    25. Mohamed Diawara, Paris – France (previous: not ranked)
    26. Bruce Thornton, Ohio St. (previous: 19)
    27. Jeremy Fears, Michigan St. (previous: not ranked)
    28. Nikola Topic, KK Mega Bemax – Serbia (previous: not ranked)
    29. Jared McCain, Duke (previous: 33)
    30. DaRon Holmes, Dayton (previous: 35)

    31. Trevon Brazile, Arkansas (previous: not ranked)
    32. Riley Kugel, Florida (previous: not ranked)
    33. Tyler Smith, G-League Ignite (previous: not ranked)
    34. Lee Aaliya, Michigan (previous: not ranked)
    35. Melvin Ajinca, Saint-Quentin – France (previous: not ranked)
    36. Trey Alexander, Creighton (previous: not ranked)
    37. Mookie Cook, Oregon (previous: not ranked)
    38. Leonardo Okeke, OpenJobMetis Varese – Italy (previous: not ranked)
    39. Paulius Murauskas, Arizona (previous: 20)
    40. Ryan Nembhard, Gonzaga (previous: 21)
    41. Tyrese Proctor, Duke (previous: 15)
    42. Nikola Djurisic, KK Mega Bemax – Serbia (previous: 28)
    43. Hunter Dickinson, Kansas (previous: 58)
    44. Mark Mitchell, Duke (previous: 37)
    45. Thierry Darlan, G-League Ignite (previous: 14)
    46. Elliot Cadeau, North Carolina (previous: 25)
    47. Reynan dos Santos, Overtime Elite (previous: not ranked)
    48. Tidjane Salaun, Cholet – France (previous: 22)
    49. Adem Bona, UCLA (previous: 45)
    50. Kyle Filipowski, Duke (previous: 18)
    51. Ariel Hukporti, Melbourne – Australia (previous: not ranked)
    52. Jordan Dingle, St. John’s (previous: not ranked)
    53. Bobi Klintman, Cairns – Australia (previous: 39)
    54. Zach Edey, Purdue (previous: 51)
    55. Kam Jones, Marquette (previous: not ranked)
    56. Nae’Qwan Tomlin, Kansas St. (previous: not ranked)
    57. Ajay Mitchell, UCSB (previous: not ranked)
    58. Lefteris Mantzoukas, Panathinaikos – Greece (previous: not ranked)
    59. Reece Beekman, Virginia (previous: not ranked)
    60. Dajuan Harris, Kansas (previous: 43)

    Dropped from last time:
    1st Rd:
    -Alexandros Samodurov, Panathinaikos – Greece (previous: 24)
    He signed with Panathinaikos, and I think he looks like an extremely valuable prospect, but I don’t think he’s going to get opportunity for playing time and his U20 performance (which I think was pretty darn good) did show a willingness to defer to a low usage role that I don’t think will jive well enough with low playing time to be a 2024 draft candidate.

    -Mohammad Amini, Unsigned (previous: 26)
    I think he looked pretty good for a teenager at the FIBA World Cup this year; he led his national team in scoring, even if they did not do well and he had other things to work on. I think he has proven to be well beyond youth leagues at this point; but he hasn’t been signed to a senior team as of yet, and I’m not sure how likely it is that he will be this year.

    -Xavier Booker, Michigan St. (previous: 30)
    I know this freshman class isn’t expected to be strong. I think my draft is still rather high on the youth that are eligible for the draft, but I think NCAA players will have unusually high competition this year and I just think Booker would probably be better served waiting. Just a hunch, really mostly concerning context, not his ability.

    2nd Rd:
    Tre White, Louisville (previous: 31)
    Robert Dillingham, Kentucky (previous: 36)
    Tamin Lipsey, Iowa St. (previous: 40)
    Cam Corhen, Florida St. (previous: 41)
    Miles Kelly, Georgia Tech (previous: 42)
    Bronny James, USC (previous: 44)
    Juan Nunez, Ratiopharm Ulm – Germany (previous: 46)
    Spencer Jones, Stanford (previous: 47)
    R.J. Davis, North Carolina (previous: 48)
    Berke Buyuktuncel, UCLA (previous: 49)
    Arthur Kaluma, Kansas St. (previous: 50)
    Kobe Johnson, USC (previous: 52)
    K.J. Adams, Kansas (previous: 53)
    Tobias Jensen, Ratiopharm Ulm – Germany (previous: 54)
    Mouhamed Faye, Reggio Emilia – Italy (previous: 55)
    Armando Bacot, North Carolina (previous: 57)
    Mantas Rubstavicius, New Zealand – Australia (previous: 59)
    Noam Yaacov, ASVEL – France (previous: 60)

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  • #1261561
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    Given what the NBA is looking for 6’6″ to 6’9″ guys who can switch and shoot, and guys taller than that with the same general profile, I think people need to give greater weight to the ones who fit that mold. All said, pre-season mock draft and rankings are at best coin flips because of the assumed assimilation for players from high school to college or youth/lower amateurish leagues to pro ranks in Europe, G-League, or Australia. Anyway, assuming all risks are equal, I would think Ron Holland, Matas Buzelis, and Justin Edwards would have an edge over Isaiah Collier at the very top. Cody Williams fits the profile, but how much of his buzz is riding the coattails of his brother of Jalen? He is going to a Colorado team that is returning its top six scorers from last year, which bodes well for their team as a whole. For him individually, he will have to fit in. If he comes off the bench, and his shooting isn’t much better than he showed at the U19 World Cup, then is it realistic to view him as a lottery prospect in 2024? Just based off the circumstances, I would not imagine he pops early on. If he does, the Buffs might be able to get into the top half of the Pac 12 and into the tournament. Both he and Kwame Evans might fall victim to being on older teams. Oregon’s late push in the portal makes them a much better team. I think with Jesse Zarzuela, N’Faly Dante, Jermaine Couisnard, Kario Oquendo, Keeshawn Barthelemy, Mahamdou Diawara, Nate Bittle, and Evans the Ducks have great long shot potential to win the Pac 12 and make a deep NCAA run. I love riding teams with a deep roster of multiple 1000+ minute college vets, and Oregon not only has 6, but 5 who have averaged double digit points. They also have a 5-star in Evans. We saw what happened to Kel’el Ware last year. I don’t think he will be buried, but I am not so sure he will be able to put together a season that has him in the 1st round. Also, while summer exhibitions can be deceiving, Omaha Biliew was far from a standout in Iowa State’s summer games. It would certainly be a caution signal for one-and-done hype.

    On pre-season spec, Alexandre Sarr and Trentyn Flowers have to be viewed as premier possibilities in the NBL. A.J. Johnson is the American member of the Next Stars program. He de-committed from Texas to head over. As a longer, leaner combo guard, I wonder if he struggles in perception relative to the likes of Collier, DJ Wagner, Elmarko Jackson, Judah Mintz, and Trey Alexander because of being so far away. Also, him being slight will be most of an obstacle in the NBL. I think Bobi Klintman doesn’t quite have the same luster given that he was already seen last year at Wake Forest, but he won me over with how he played down the stretch. Alex Toohey is interesting, because the Boomers already have called him into the full men’s team, so they obviously are bullish on his prospects. With him being Australian, he might be more willing to get some more experience there and not enter in 2024. Still, it seems like a deeper crop in their program.

    The French LNB actually starts this weekend. Melvin Ajinca is coming off a stellar U19 World Cup. He has the makeup and profile, but can he transition to the men’s game? More often than not, young guys transitioning from ProB to Pro A take a year or so. It would be impressive if he does reasonably well. Zaccharie Risacher got about 450 minutes last year with ASVEL, but has been loaned to Bourg En Bresse. I would assume those minutes should jump, but will be on a lesser team. Mohamed Diawara of Paris Basket has been a youth level darling, and is entering his first year draft eligible season as a 6’8″ forward. At the U18 European Championships, he shot the ball surprisingly well, but a tournament is a small snapshot. Both he and his fellow U18 international Killian Malwaya will probably struggle to breakthrough this year. Paris Basket is an ambitious team. I think they have Euroleague ambitions, and have a more than solid team. They brought in Head coach Tuomas Iisalo from Bonn, as well as half their roster, after they pulled off a Basketball Champions League and run to the German league finals. They also added Nadir Hifi who despite going undrafted could still be a name to watch as he is 21 and could be an option for the French Olympic Team next summer. They need a guard who can both shoot and get his own shot. Regardless, I don’t know how those moves mesh with getting a pair of 18-19 year olds developmental time on the floor. Lucas Ugolin of Limoges transitioned reasonably well from the second division to the first last year, and is automatically eligible in 2024. He is a 6’5″ shooter having shot 38% from three in the LNB and 52% on 27 attempts in the Basketball Champions League. If he takes another step forward, he would seemingly be a name to remember.

    As for some other pre-season thoughts, I think, like Oregon, Memphis has major sleeper potential to go deep in March. Many of those reasons aren’t NBA Draft related (Jahvon Quinerly, Caleb Mills, Jordan Brown, and likely DeAndre Williams), but think Jonathan Pierre, Jaykwon Walton, Ashton Hardaway, and JJ Taylor are the more likely names to pop in draft circles. I don’t think all can in 2023-24 because of the depth of their roster and guys will be left in lesser roles, but think Pierre is one to watch. He entered high school at 5’10”, was 6’2″ as a high school senior and was a D2 recruit, and by the end of the year was 6’7″. After a couple years winning the D2 title, he is listed by Memphis as 6’9″ coming off a 50/40/83 shooting season to go with a point wing style. I am very intrigued to see what role he has this year. Walton is coming off a very good year at Wichita State, and can probably get some 3-and-D buzz if he shoots it at 40% again. Baba Miller had so much buzz going into last year as a late grower who had guard skills and was 6’11”. He mostly played like a skinny 6’11” traditional big. This summer, he was alongside Izan Almansa in leading Spain to the U19 gold medal. While effective overall, he didn’t shoot the ball especially well. Now, the Seminoles will be a largely different unit. They lost Caleb Mills, Naheem McLeod, and Matthew Cleveland from a disappointing team. It would seem as though the 2023-24 team will be more centered around the younger but highly regarded returnees in Miller, Chandler Jackson, Cameron Corhen, Jalen Warley, and De’Ante Green (as well as 5th year Darin Green and grad transfer Primo Spears). Maybe this benefits Miller’s chances to re-emerge. I was pleased that Nae’Qwan Tomlin decided to return to Kansas State. He had not played organized basketball prior to juco, so he needs court time and developmental time. He will have the chance to take on a larger role without Keyontae Johnson and Marquis Nowell in the NBA/G-League. He has the length and athleticism to go with flashes of skill. This year he has to make a jump with Arthur Kaluma and a new duo of pint sized guards in Tylor Perry and Ques Glover. If he does, there is no reason to think with his length and athleticism that he can’t be a lottery pick. It is that level of potential. Two other college guys I have my eye on are Harrison Ingram and Jae’Lyn Withers at UNC. Both left dysfunctional programs, and while the Tar Heels are coming off a bad year could be on a top 10 team. Withers is headed to his home state team coming off a season where he emerged as a 40% three point shooter from three. Can he do it at UNC? If he can, he is a 6’8″ or 6’9″ switchable wing shooter. Harrison Ingram has yet to prove he can shoot, and never lived up to his prep billing at Stanford, but can a better situation allow him to flourish? Internationally, Juan Nunez really impressed me at the World Cup. For a guy who just turned 19 to be effective as a point guard in the World Cup is impressive. He also played a big role on an underdog domestic championship in Germany. In the US, we have underdog champions. In Europe, it is very rare. Because he isn’t an uber-athlete, he will have to become a knockdown three-point shooter to go with a solid point, but that is very much in the realm of possibilities. I think he is better prospect than people give him credit for. Nikola Topic went from MVP of the U18 European Championships to the provisional World Cup roster for Serbia, which is crazy. He signed a four-year contract with Crvena Zvezda this summer, and will have all the time he wants on loan this season with Mega Basket. They play the kids, and it is not crazy for the guy who went from dominating the Euroleague NextGeneration League and U18 European Championships to faring well in the Adriatic League. He is a big point who can shoot. I am intrigued as to how his season will play out, and how his draft assessments change.

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  • #1261643
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    Nikola Topic debut: 25 Points (20 in the paint), 4 assists, 5 rebounds, 7 turnovers, 11-18 shooting, 1-6 from 3. He is tough to keep out of the paint His shot doesn’t look bad, just nothing fell from deep.

    Full game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-plfFAv508

    It is a super young team. Topic is 18. Nikola Đurišić pulled out of the 2023 draft is 19 and had 20 points, 5 rebounds, and 5 assists. Those two seem like the two to keep an eye on, but it is young beyond them Andrej Jelavic is 19 and played 30 minutes. He couldn’t get his jump shot to fall but the 6’10” big man had 10 rebounds and 2 blocks. If he starts making shots as a big man who can protect the rim, who knows. Timotej Malovec is 19 and had 10 points in 24 minutes. Filip Jović is 18 and played 19 minutes. Oleksandr Kobzystyi is 21 and played 11 minutes. Petar Kovacevic is 20 and got 6 points in 14 minutes. Stefan Miljenović is 22. He pumped in 18 points. Uroš Plavšić is 24, but in his first year out of Tennessee. They came back from down to 20 tie it in the final minute against a pretty veteran team that had three guys who were Luka’s teammates at the World Cup, DJ Stewart from Miss State, Justin Cobbs from Cal, Sean Armand from Iona, and Amadou Sowe from UC-Santa Barbara.

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  • #1261756
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    Ooh yeah this is probably due an update now that international leagues are underway, though I suppose everything else is still an absolute shot in the dark.

    1. Nikola Topic, KK Mega Bemax (previous: 28)
    2. Ja’Kobe Walter, Baylor (previous: 7)
    3. Alexandre Sarr, Perth (previous: 24)
    4. Matas Buzelis, G-League Ignite (previous: 4)
    5. Isaiah Collier, USC (previous: 5)
    6. Izan Almansa, G-League Ignite (previous: 10)
    7. Ron Holland, G-League Ignite (previous: 2)
    8. Justin Edwards, Kentucky (previous: 3)
    9. Cody Williams, Colorado (previous: 9)
    10. DJ Wagner, Kentucky (previous: 23)
    11. Aaron Bradshaw, Kentucky (previous: 5)
    12. Riley Kugel, Florida (previous: 32)
    13. Mackenzie Mgbako, Indiana (previous: 8)
    14. Tyrese Proctor, Duke (previous: 41)
    15. Omaha Biliew, Iowa St (previous: 18)
    16. Aday Mara, UCLA (previous: 17)
    17. Zaccharie Risacher, JL Bourg-en-Bresse (previous: 13)
    18. Stephon Castle, UConn (previous: 6)
    19. Judah Mintz, Syracuse (previous: 15)
    20. Bobi Klintman, Cairns (previous: 53)
    21. Kwame Evans, Oregon (previous: 11)
    22. Trey Alexander, Creighton (previous: 36)
    23. Jarin Stevenson, Alabama (previous: 12)
    24. Xavier Booker, Michigan St (previous: not ranked)
    25. Juan Nunez, Ratiopharm Ulm (previous: not ranked)
    26. Donovan Clingan, UConn (previous: 19)
    27. Caleb Foster, Duke (previous: not ranked)
    28. DaRon Holmes, Dayton (previous: 30)
    29. Tyler Smith, G-League Ignite (previous: 33)
    30. Trevon Brazile, Arkansas (previous: 31)

    31. Tidjane Salaun, Cholet (previous: 48)
    32. Ryan Nembhard, Gonzaga (previous: 40)
    33. Mookie Cook, Oregon (previous: 37)
    34. Tyler Burton, Villanova (previous: not ranked)
    35. Thierry Darlan, G-League Ignite (previous: 45)
    36. Kobe Johnson, USC (previous: not ranked)
    37. Nikola Djurisic, KK Mega Bemax (previous: 42)
    38. Anton Watson, Gonzaga (previous: not ranked)
    39. Adem Bona, UCLA (previous: 49)
    40. Kel’el Ware, Indiana (previous: 14)
    41. Mouhamed Faye, Reggio Emilia (previous: not ranked)
    42. London Johnson, G-League Ignite (previous: 21)
    43. Mark Mitchell, Duke (previous: 44)
    44. Nae’Qwan Tomlin, Kansas St (previous: 56)
    45. Armel Traore, ADA Blois (previous: not ranked)
    46. Kyle Filipowski, Duke (previous: 50)
    47. Lee Aaliya, Michigan (previous: 34)
    48. Hansen Yang, Qingdao (previous: 20)
    49. Jordan Dingle, St. John’s (previous: 52)
    50. Zach Edey, Purdue (previous: 54)
    51. Melvin Ajinca, Saint-Quentin (previous: 35)
    52. Ariel Hukporti, Melbourne (previous: 51)
    53. Juan Fernandez, Rio Breogan (previous: not ranked)
    54. Reynan dos Santos, Overtime Elite (previous: 47)
    55. Isaiah Miranda, Oklahoma St (previous: not ranked)
    56. Bruce Thornton, Ohio St (previous: 26)
    57. Andrija Jelavic, KK Mega Bemax (previous: not ranked)
    58. Babacar Sane, G-League Ignite (previous: not ranked)
    59. Davonte Davis, Arkansas (previous: not ranked)
    60. Jaylin Galloway, Sydney (previous: not ranked)

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  • #1261757
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    Oh, I forgot to do the players dropped thing:
    Ruben Prey, Joventut Baladona (previous: 22)-
    He’s not in their rotation, at all. They are really deep, to be fair.

    Mohamed Diawara, Paris (previous: 25)-
    It looks like he is slowly being worked into the rotation, though I think it’s encouraging that he isn’t playing on their U21 team. I think it’s a possibility but he’s probably a pick in a future draft.

    Jeremy Fears, Michigan St (previous: 27) and Jared McCain, Duke (previous: 29)-
    I think the depth chart is too deep for these guys situations, I think respective teammates Xavier Booker and Caleb Foster have better odds for 2024, though we’ll see.

    Leonardo Okeke, Varese (previous: 38)
    He’s recovering from a pretty serious hip injury. Well wishes!

    Paulius Murauskas (previous: 39)
    Hunter Dickinson (previous: 43)
    Elliot Cadeau (previous: 46)
    Kam Jones (previous: 55)
    Ajay Mitchell (previous: 57)
    Lefteris Mantzoukas (previous: 58)
    Reece Beekman (previous: 59)
    Dajuan Harris (previous: 60)

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    Ariel Hukporti is having a nice start to his season. He had a rough season in the NBL two years ago and missed last year with a torn achilles, but seems to have settled in nicely this season. He is the starting center for a good Melbourne team. He has scored double digits in five of his first six games, has three double-doubles, and 11 blocked shots. He is automatically eligible for the 2024 draft, and might start to re-emerge. While still early, this is probably the highest performing crop of Next Stars. I touched on Hukporti. Bobi Klintman has been coming off the bench, but has been quite effective in his first three games. He is averaging 14 PPG, 7.3 RPG, and 1.3 BPG. 7-14 from three for an athletic 6’10” forward will always catch an eye. Alex Sarr got noticed in those exhibitions. Since their real season started, he has been more up-and-down than those two, but for an 18-year old to have a couple nice games on the board is something. The former Louisville commit Trentyn Flowers has had one big game. He put in 20 for Adelaide in one of his six games so far. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aN388nheng4&pp=ygUPdHJlbnR5biBmbG93ZXJz That game was nominally against AJ Johnson who has had the roughest start. He has not really been able to get into the rotation for Illawarra as of yet. Former Gonaga commit Alex Toohey has had three double digit games for Sydney, and went 7-8 against Brisbane. https://youtu.be/7YWZngTQtcg?si=5MUi_3cRhG3g9lUM . Rocco Zikarsky is a down the road candidate for the giants list as he is 7’2″, and has been getting a little a few minutes here and there for Brisbane. For a 17 year old, it is quite the accomplishment.

    FYI, NBL games are on ESPN+ in the US this season, and given the time difference the ability to stream on demand at a reasonable hour.

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  • #1262528
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    I used teams in my latest version! I think trying to guess early entries is really difficult and I’ve been a bit on the safe side, including some pretty big names like Donovan Clingan, Tyrese Proctor, and Justin Edwards. I think some of the players I’ve included (especially guys who would be early entrants towards the end of the mock) might be questionable, but I think whether or not it is likely that they decide to declare this year, at least I think their situation is favorable right now.
    Here’s what I have at this point!
    1. Detroit Pistons- Ja’Kobe Walter, Baylor (previous: 2)
    2. Washington Wizards- Stephon Castle, Connecticut (previous: 18)
    3. San Antonio Spurs- Zaccharie Risacher, JL Bourg-en-Bresse (previous: 17)
    4. Charlotte Hornets- Cody Williams, Colorado (previous: 9)
    5. Portland Trailblazers- Alexandre Sarr, Perth (previous: 3)
    6. Memphis Grizzlies- Ron Holland, G League Ignite (previous: 7)
    7. San Antonio Spurs (from Toronto)- Nikola Topic, KK Crvena Zvezda (previous: 1)
    8. Atlanta Hawks- KJ Evans, Oregon (previous: 21)
    9. Houston Rockets (from Brooklyn)- Kanaan Carlyle, Stanford (previous: not ranked)
    10. Chicago Bulls- Matas Buzelis, G League Ignite (previous: 4)
    11. Memphis Grizzlies (from Golden St)- Reed Sheppard, Kentucky (previous: not ranked)
    12. New Orleans Pelicans (from LAL)- Kyle Filipowski, Duke (previous: 46)
    13. Oklahoma City Thunder (from Houston)- Rob Dillingham, Kentucky (previous: not ranked)
    14. Oklahoma City Thunder (from Utah)- Tidjane Salaun, Cholet (previous: 31)
    15. Phoenix Suns- Kevin McCullar, Kansas (previous: not ranked)
    16. Orlando Magic- Izan Almansa, G League Ignite (previous: 6)
    17. Miami Heat- Wooga Poplar, Miami (previous: not ranked)
    18. New York Knicks (from Dallas)- Isaiah Collier, USC (previous: 5)
    19. New York Knicks- DaRon Holmes, Dayton (previous: 28)
    20. New Orleans Pelicans- Jared McCain, Duke (previous: not ranked)
    21. Cleveland Cavaliers- Otega Oweh, Oklahoma (previous: not ranked)
    22. Atlanta Hawks (from Sacramento)- Matthew Murrell, Mississippi (previous: not ranked)
    23. Indiana Pacers- Bobi Klintman, Cairns (previous: 20)
    24. Philadelphia 76ers- Ryan Dunn, Virginia (previous: not ranked)
    25. Oklahoma City Thunder (from LAC)- JT Toppin, New Mexico (previous: not ranked)
    26. Denver Nuggets- Malique Lewis, Mexico City Capitanes (previous: not ranked)
    27. Milwaukee Bucks- Kel’el Ware, Indiana (previous: 40)
    28. Oklahoma City Thunder- Dalton Knecht, Tennessee (previous: not ranked)
    29. Minnesota Timberwolves- Tamin Lipsey, Iowa St (previous: not ranked)
    30. Boston Celtics- Tyler Smith, G League Ignite (previous: 29)

    31. Toronto Raptors (from Detroit)- Mark Sears, Alabama (previous: not ranked)
    32. Detroit Pistons (from Washington)- Jaedon LeDee, San Diego St (previous: not ranked)
    33. San Antonio Spurs- Antonio Reeves, Kentucky (previous: not ranked)
    34. Portland Trailblazers (from Charlotte)- Milan Momcilovic, Iowa St (previous: not ranked)
    35. Milwaukee Bucks (from Portland)- DJ Wagner, Kentucky (previous: 10)
    36. Memphis Grizzlies- Yves Missi, Baylor (previous: not ranked)
    37. Los Angeles Clippers (from Toronto)- Kadary Richmond, Seton Hall (previous: not ranked)
    38. Portland Trailblazers (from Atlanta)- Devin Carter, Providence (previous: not ranked)
    39. Houston Rockets (from Brooklyn)- Zach Edey, Purdue (previous: 50)
    40. San Antonio Spurs (from Chicago)- Jackson Shelstad, Oregon (previous: not ranked)
    41. Houston Rockets (from Golden St)- Trentyn Flowers, Adelaide (previous: not ranked)
    42. San Antonio Spurs (from LAL)- Great Osobor, Utah St (previous: not ranked)
    43. Houston Rockets- Juan Nunez, Ratiopharm Ulm (previous: 25)
    44. New York Knicks (from Utah)- Tre Mitchell, Kentucky (previous: not ranked)
    45. Washington Wizards (from Phoenix)- Carlton Carrington, Pittsburgh (previous: not ranked)
    46. Orlando Magic- Chibuzo Agbo, Boise St (previous: not ranked)
    47. Atlanta Hawks (from Miami)- Zvonimir Ivisic, NO TEAM/Kentucky? (previous: not ranked)
    48. Sacramento Kings (from Dallas)- Ariel Hukporti, Melbourne (previous: 52)
    49. Philadelphia 76ers (from New York)- Hansen Yang, Qingdao (previous: 48)
    50. New Orleans Pelicans- Coleman Hawkins, Illinois (previous: not ranked)
    51. Los Angeles Clippers (from Cleveland)- Emanuel Miller, TCU (previous: not ranked)
    52. Sacramento Kings- Bryson Warren, Sioux Falls Skyforce (previous: not ranked)
    53. Indiana Pacers- Owen Freeman, Iowa (previous: not ranked)
    54. Los Angeles Lakers (from LAC)- David Jones, Memphis (previous: not ranked)
    55. Orlando Magic (from Denver)- Joel Soriano, St John’s (previous: not ranked)
    56. Indiana Pacers (from Milwaukee)- Tyon Grant-Foster, Grand Canyon (previous: not ranked)
    57. Houston Rockets (from OKC)- Jonathan Mogbo, San Francisco (previous: not ranked)
    58. Oklahoma City Thunder (from Minnesota)- Zyon Pullin, Florida (previous: not ranked)
    59. Charlotte Hornets (from Boston)- Cam Spencer, Connecticut (previous: not ranked)

    I don’t think the early list looks too bad and it honestly might end up closer to correct than this one, but I made a LOT of changes since before the season started, and the majority of players in this new mock weren’t on the last one at all.

    Here are all the guys who I left off, for now:
    Justin Edwards (previous: 8), Aaron Bradshaw (previous: 11), Riley Kugel (previous: 12), Mackenzie Mgbako (previous: 13), Tyrese Proctor (previous: 14), Omaha Biliew (previous: 15), Aday Mara (previous: 16), Judah Mintz (previous: 19), Trey Alexander (previous: 22), Jarin Stevenson (previous: 23), Xavier Booker (previous: 24), Donovan Clingan (previous: 26), Caleb Foster (previous: 27), Trevon Brazile (previous: 30), Ryan Nembhard (previous: 32), Mookie Cook (previous: 33), Tyler Burton (previous: 34), Thierry Darlan (previous: 35), Kobe Johnson (previous: 36), Nikola Djurisic (previous: 37), Anton Watson (previous: 38), Adem Bona (previous: 39), Mouhamed Faye (previous: 41), London Johnson (previous: 42), Mark Mitchell (previous: 43), Nae’Qwan Tomlin (previous: 44), Armel Traore (previous: 45), Lee Aaliya (previous: 47), Jordan Dingle (previous: 49), Melvin Ajinca (previous: 51), Juan Fernandez (previous: 53), Reynan dos Santos (previous: 54), Isaiah Miranda (previous: 55), Bruce Thornton (previous: 56), Andrija Jelavic (previous: 57), Babacar Sane (previous: 58), Davonte Davis (previous: 59), Jaylin Galloway (previous: 60, not eligible).

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  • #1262529
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    This would be the team by team breakdown of my mock:
    Boston- Tyler Smith
    Brooklyn- (no picks)
    New York- Isaiah Collier, DaRon Holmes, Tre Mitchell
    Philadelphia- Ryan Dunn, Hansen Yang
    Toronto- Mark Sears
    Chicago- Matas Buzelis
    Cleveland- Otega Oweh
    Detroit- Ja’Kobe Walter, Jaedon LeDee
    Indiana- Bobi Klintman, Owen Freeman, Tyon Grant-Foster
    Milwaukee- Kel’el Ware, DJ Wagner
    Atlanta- KJ Evans, Matthew Murrell, Zvonimir Ivisic
    Charlotte- Cody Williams, Cam Spencer
    Miami- Wooga Poplar
    Orlando- Izan Almansa, Chibuzo Agbo, Joel Soriano
    Washington- Stephon Castle, Carlton Carrington

    Denver- Malique Lewis
    Minnesota- Tamin Lipsey
    Oklahoma City- Rob Dillingham, Tidjane Salaun, JT Toppin, Dalton Knecht, Zyon Pullin
    Portland- Alexandre Sarr, Milan Momcilovic, Devin Carter
    Utah- (no picks)
    Golden St- (no picks)
    LAC- Kadary Richmond, Emanuel Miller
    LAL- David Jones
    Phoenix- Kevin McCullar
    Sacramento- Ariel Hukporti, Bryson Warren
    Dallas- (no picks)
    Houston- Kanaan Carlyle, Zach Edey, Trentyn Flowers, Juan Nunez, Jonathan Mogbo
    Memphis- Ron Holland, Reed Sheppard, Yves Missi
    New Orleans- Kyle Filipowski, Jared McCain, Coleman Hawkins
    San Antonio- Zaccharie Risacher, Nikola Topic, Antonio Reeves, Jackson Shelstad, Great Osobor

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    • #1262530
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      Very entertaining/well done! Just an addition I would do somewhere, Imo Myles Rice out of Washington State is going to be the sneaky climb up mock drafts and big boards guy. I think he could be a possible first round pick. He will be if he keeps up his play. Infact, it baffles me a bit that a guy like Kylan Boswell is ranked and Myles Rice is usually N/A on mock drafts/big boards. I just learned about him couple weeks ago myself.

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    Ky Boswell and Arizona got off to a really good start to the season. Boswell was well-regarded, in part, because of the familiarity with him because he had been on some of the U-whatever Team USA teams. He has struggled and Arizona has dropped a couple Pac 12 games. This is why there is not a ton of value getting caught up in mock drafts in January. Myles Rice missed two seasons, and plays for a low profile program. He has had a nice, but not spectacular season. For small guard, it is a high bar. There are more good small guards than ever, and the NBA has probably never had less interest. Myles, Boswell, RJ Davis, Jackson Shelstad, Caleb Love, Rob Dillingham, Isaiah Stevens, LJ Cryer, Jamal Shead, Boogie Ellis, Jahvon Quinerly, Rayj Dennis, Ryan Nembhard, Xavier Johnson of SIU, Bruce Thornton, Mark Sears, Tyson Walker, KJ Simpson, Jaylen Murray, Boo Buie, Javian McCollum, Devin Carter, Aidan Mahaney, Nijel Pack, Judah Mintz, Tyrese Hunter, Max Abmas, Wade Taylor, Tyrece Radford, Reece Beekman, and I can go on. It is why I chuckle at people thinking Reed Sheppard’s Kentuckyness makes him a one-and-done. 6’2″ guards who can shoot and aren’t elite athletes are everywhere. They are also, basically, all the best G-Leaguers who aren’t on NBA contracts. Well, them and Matthew Hurt. While Carrington’s play against better opposition continues to disappoint, the size and athleticism at least makes sense. Kanaan Carlyle didn’t debut for Stanford until after the first semester, and it is probably not best to get too caught up in a few weeks of games, but has really made an impact right away. If anything else, the athleticism is there.

    Zaccharie Risacher has probably been playing the most impressive ball. He is going on two-and-a-half month spell of shooting 55% from three. He might is probably the best pick for Detroit who desperately needs a wing shooter who doesn’t need the ball on offense. If they get the top pick, I don’t know how they go elsewhere. I’m not sure how many teams would have him at the top, but he is kind of getting close to Brandon Miller without the baggage status. For an 18 year old to be this much of a contributor on a surprisingly good team, currently 2nd place in France and top of their Eurocup group, is really impressive.

    While he has not gotten a ton of buzz, Juan Nunez has really improved his three point shooting this year. He is at 40%.

    Michael Ajayi is a name to remember if not in 2024 then 2025. He went from being a 5’7″ freshman in HS to 6’7″ now, and appears to be all arms and legs. He starred at Juco, and has quickly transitioned to Pepperdine where he is now leading WCC in scoring. Not the highest volume 3 point shooter, but 50% on 52 attempts. I think he would have to transition to more of a 3-and-D role, but the early returns on his shooting would indicate that might work.

    I don’t know if Jonas Aidoo will be in this draft, but has made big strides. He is still a rim runner and rim protector, but his hands, feel for the game has him going in the right direction. He still fouls too much for my liking, but that just seems to be what Tennessee players do. Baye Ndongo is a little smaller than Aidoo, but if I was to say there was a first year athletic 6’9″ big man with a 7’2″ wingspan who took up basketball at 14 in the ACC averaging 15.8 PPG and 7.1 rebounds over the past 8 games I think there would be interest. Oh, and he has he has shot the ball well enough to pop in 3 of 8 attempts from three. He might be a 2025 guy, but you never know who declares.

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    • #1262534
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      I agree with you on small guards and the sentiment. I do think that there is a big difference of one’s chances making the league though if the prospect is say 6’4″, a slightly undersized guard to 6’3″ which is a little more undersized, etc. But then guys like Tyson Hunter are way tiny for the next level. Not sure how exact measurements are as of now, but I coined Myles Rice at 6’3″. I see what you’re saying about Reed Sheppard. I actually watched a “No Ceilings” mock (affiliated with NBA.com’s draft team for readers that aren’t aware) who had Sheppard drafted as high as 2!!! Can’t deny production – Too high up the mock imo. Even if Sheppard has grown an inch from the 6’2″ that you said he is – it’s still a smaller guard. He’s most likely a descent backup.
      Not that great, you’re right… but that’s the case with pretty much every player in the draft. Seems like there are holes in every prospect. I’ve seen some good feed on Risacher too lately. In a draft like this, he could go number 1 this year. There are maybe 10 guys (I think I have 9 in mind) that can maybe go first if the draft were tomorrow. I don’t think he’s quite Brandon Miller, but we’ll see. Miller is somehow a better defender than we anticipated and seems to be a player that adds to his game – adapts well. Idk, Risacher might too though. He has been performing well.
      Wow, Tennessee was on a terror last night… You mentioned Aidoo, but how bout his teammate Dalton Knecht going off? He’s been pretty high on boards. In the league he’s probably Delladova or something.

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    Knecht is a great story. He was 6’1″ as a high school senior, went to juco and later Northern Colorado, and is now a star. Part of the reason the season is going his way is that he is a scorer on a team where nobody else can shoot. He is shooting 41.7% from three, and does more than that, but the rest of the team is shooting 31.7%. This is why you are starting to see Tennessee go to a version of the Steph Curry Davidson/Jimmer Mania BYU offense of four guys working for one. It isn’t quite as stark as Curry and Jimmer as they were taking close to a third of their team’s shots, but they have clearly determined this is how they are going to have to win a game that isn’t a rock fight. It is fun for college. As for the pros, Knecht’s back story, path, size, and style are similar to Max Strus. DePaul wasn’t good while Strus was there, but given where DePaul has fallen to since 19-17 wasn’t terrible. Strus adjusted his game to that of a role player, and is now a very well paid one. Knecht could go that path, but where does that land him on draft night? It is not a good draft, but there are a lot of “profile” guys. There will be teams who prefer Justin Edwards to Knecht, history tells you that much. Analytics departments are going to like Tidjane Salaun and Melvin Ajinca. The size, age, and reasonable production in France is going to make them popular. They will probably also do well in workouts. Ryan Dunn has length and athleticism for days, and there are teams who believe they can teach anybody to shoot. You can probably cc Dillon Mitchell on that. Jaxson Robinson has a big wingspan and might be viewed as someone who transitions to a 3-and-D role better. It is also hard to factor in the extent to which 5th year seniors are hindered by the analytics. A decent number of good NBA guys were 5-year college guys: Strus, Austin Reaves, Derrick White, Malcolm Brogdon, TJ McConnell, Sam Hauser, Caleb and Cody Martin, Duncan Robinson, Cam Johnson, Hunter Tyson, Jalen Pickett, etc. The list probably explodes if you add in guys who took a prep school year prior to college. Only Cam Johnson was a 1st rounder, and most are undrafted. It is easy to say in January that Kencht deserves to be a first rounder, but history tells you teams don’t take them even if they believe in them to sign them right away as undrafted players or give them guaranteed money as 2nd rounders. Maybe this year is different, but it could be a real thing.

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  • #1262539
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    I agree that this year’s draft is all over the place and I could not begin to say who I could predict would go first with any confidence. It’s not a great draft but you have interesting upside guys like Sarr and I’m very keen on Topic.

    One guy to watch if he did declare would be Ulrich Chomche who is a raw defensive prospect but he has the one thing you cannot teach which is size. He is likely to be the youngest guy in the draft and is the sort of player who could do a great workout and secure a first round spot. I don’t expect him to go in the lottery but could be an interesting pick between 20-30.

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  • #1262544
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    I would think Chomche would be a candidate for the G-League Elite, and it is still being reported that he being recruited by Arizona, Texas, and USC. Thierry Darlan and Babacar Sane played in BAL events last year before going to the G-League Elite. Darlan did really well in those games. They are getting needed experience, but even that has been a big leap for them. Rueben Chinyelu came through the BAL academy, and is having a decent first year season for Washington State. By decent, I mean in the rotation but a backup. Joy Ighovodja has mostly been outside the rotation at Wichita State. That doesn’t mean Chomche or Khaman Maluach are the same, but going from where they are playing now to the draft, much less NBA games, is such a massive leap. I think that the perfect candidate for the G-League Ignite is someone teams know has potential and isn’t ready for the NBA. It is better to put him on the Ignite and keep him off an NBA roster until there is enough development to close the gap.

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  • #1262550
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    I’d say G-League rather than NCAA would be better for Chomche but if he did declare this year I still feel; his size and upside would get him drafted. In the NCAA I could see his draft status having downside risk. Whether he goes to G League via NBA draft or directly and then looks to build his draft stock is a hard call.

    My strongest case for him waiting a year or more would be that this year’s draft does have a lot of big men ,listed in the mocks and early 2025 drafts less so but some of this year’s possible entries could also decide to wait a year.

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  • #1262700
    NorrinRaddNorrinRadd
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    Another guy I would consider adding now would be VaSean Allette out of Old Dominion. May have just found a gem, although he’s on a bad team… I think I like him better than Malik Mack at least who gets more love because he’s on a better one.

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  • #1263586
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    Well, it’s been absurdly too long since I revisited this here and thank you very much @NorrinRadd for reminding me!!
    I think now is a good time to do so, with the ending of the NBA regular season and a draft order somewhat set. I’ve made quite a few changes over the past few months, but it’s no less weird, I’ll admit to that. I’m very high up on Robbie Avila, for instance; I think his skillset, stats, and rate of development are all VERY promising. I think it’s possible but unlikely that he will be a superstar, but I think Kelly Olynyk is a great baseline for what he brings.
    I understand that he seems more interested in transferring this year than declaring and he’s had next to no buzz *as a potential NBA player*, but I simply think that impression is wrong and that IF he were to declare this year he should probably be a lottery pick of some sort. Just my hot take, I guess.
    I have guys like Enrique Freeman and Chris Youngblood in here, and I do think it’s pretty unlikely that they will be drafted (if they do get an opportunity it will probably be a 2-way?)
    I think when the Early Entrants fill out I might be a bit more realistic, but I do want to shout out what I believe to be the legitimacy of their claims as prospects. I absolutely think teams could do worse this year.

    Here’s what I have!

    1. Detroit Pistons – Zaccharie Risacher, JL Bourg-en-Bresse (previous: 3)
    2. Washington Wizards – Jared McCain, Duke (previous: 20)
    3. Charlotte Hornets – Stephon Castle, Connecticut (previous: 2)
    4. Portland Trailblazers – Alexandre Sarr, Perth (previous: 5)
    5. San Antonio Spurs – Nikola Topic, KK Crvena Zvezda (previous: 7)
    6. Toronto Raptors – Robbie Avila, Indiana St (previous: not ranked)
    7. Memphis Grizzlies – Cody Williams, Colorado (previous: 4)
    8. Utah Jazz – Donovan Clingan, Connecticut (previous: not ranked)
    9. Houston Rockets (from Brooklyn) – Rob Dillingham, Kentucky (previous: 13)
    10. Atlanta Hawks – Ron Holland, G League Ignite (previous: 6)
    11. Chicago Bulls – Kyle Filipowski, Duke (previous: 12)
    12. Oklahoma City Thunder (from Houston) – Isaiah Collier, USC (previous: 18)
    13. Portland Trailblazers (from Golden St) – Ja’Kobe Walter, Baylor (previous: 1)
    14. Atlanta Hawks (from Sacramento) – Dalton Knecht, Tennessee (previous: 28)
    15. Miami Heat – Reed Sheppard, Kentucky (previous: 11)
    16. New Orleans Pelicans (from LAL) – Zach Edey, Purdue (previous: 39)
    17. Philadelphia 76ers – Kel’el Ware, Indiana (previous: 27)
    18. Toronto Raptors (from Indiana) – Matas Buzelis, G League Ignite (previous: 10)
    19. Orlando Magic – Mark Sears, Alabama (previous: 31)
    20. Cleveland Cavaliers – Malique Lewis, Mexico City (previous: 26)
    21. New Orleans Pelicans – Tidjane Salaun, Cholet (previous: 14)
    22. Phoenix Suns – Tyler Kolek, Marquette (previous: not ranked)
    23. Milwaukee Bucks – DaRon Holmes, Dayton (previous: 19)
    24. New York Knicks (from Dallas) – Izan Almansa, G League Ignite (previous: 16)
    25. New York Knicks – Antonio Reeves, Kentucky (previous: 33)
    26. Oklahoma City Thunder (from LAC) – Bobi Klintman, Cairns (previous: 23)
    27. Minnesota Timberwolves – Carlton “Bub” Carrington, Pittsburgh (previous: 45)
    28. Denver Nuggets – Tristan da Silva, Colorado (previous: not ranked)
    29. Toronto Raptors (from OKC) – Trey Alexander, Creighton (previous: not ranked)
    30. Boston Celtics – Tyler Smith, G League Ignite (previous: 30)

    31. Toronto Raptors (from Detroit) – Kevin McCullar, Kansas (previous: 15)
    32. Minnesota Timberwolves (from Washington) – Terrence Shannon, Illinois (previous: not ranked)
    33. Portland Trailblazers (from Charlotte) – Darrion Williams, Texas Tech (previous: not ranked)
    34. Milwaukee Bucks (from Portland) – Devin Carter, Providence (previous: 38)
    35. Phoenix Suns (from San Antonio) – JT Toppin, New Mexico (previous: 25)
    36. Philadelphia 76ers (from Toronto) – KJ Simpson, Colorado (previous: not ranked)
    37. Memphis Grizzlies – Yves Missi, Baylor (previous: 36)
    38. New York Knicks (from Utah) – Cam Spencer, Connecticut (previous: 59)
    39. Memphis Grizzlies (from Brooklyn) – Ryan Dunn, Virginia (previous: 24)
    40. Portland Trailblazers (from Atlanta) – Dillon Jones, Weber St (previous: not ranked)
    41. Boston Celtics (from Chicago) – Hansen Yang, Qingdao (previous: 49)
    42. Houston Rockets – Johnny Furphy, Kansas (previous: not ranked)
    43. Houston Rockets (from Golden St) – Anton Watson, Gonzaga (previous: not ranked)
    44. Sacramento Kings – Milan Momcilovic, Iowa St (previous: 34)
    45. Miami Heat – Jaedon LeDee, San Diego St (prevoius: 32)
    46. San Antonio Spurs (from LAL) – Jamal Shead, Houston (previous: not ranked)
    47. Philadelphia 76ers – Mantas Rubstavicius, New Zealand (previous: not ranked)
    48. Los Angeles Clippers (from Indiana) – Tyon Grant-Foster, Grand Canyon (previous: 56)
    49. Orlando Magic – Johni Broome, Auburn (previous: not ranked)
    50. Indiana Pacers (from Cleveland) – Coleman Hawkins, Illinois (previous: 50)
    51. Indiana Pacers (from New Orleans) – Keshon Gilbert, Iowa St (previous: not ranked)
    52. Washington Wizards (from Phoenix) – Enrique Freeman, Akron (previous: not ranked)
    53. Indiana Pacers (from Milwaukee) – Andrej Jelavic, KK Mega MIS (previous: not ranked)
    54. Boston Celtics (from Dallas) – RJ Davis, North Carolina (previous: not ranked)
    55. Philadelphia 76ers (from New York) – FORFEIT
    56. Los Angeles Lakers (from LAC) – Trevon Brazile, Arkansas (previous: not ranked)
    57. Denver Nuggets (from Minnesota) – Chris Youngblood, South Florida (previous: not ranked)
    58. Phoenix Suns (from Denver) – FORFEIT
    59. Memphis Grizzlies (from OKC) – LJ Cryer, Houston (previous: not ranked)
    60. Charlotte Hornets (from Boston) – N’Faly Dante, Oregon (previous: not ranked)

    Dropped from the last list:
    KJ Evans (8), Kanaan Carlyle (9), Wooga Poplar (17), Otega Oweh (21), Matthew Murrell (22), Tamin Lipsey (29), DJ Wagner (35), Kadary Richmond (37), Jackson Shelstad (40), Trentyn Flowers (41), Great Osobor (42), Juan Nunez (43), Tre Mitchell (44), Chibuzo Agbo (46), Zvonimir Ivisic (47), Ariel Hukporti (48), Emanuel Miller (51), Bryson Warren (52), Owen Freeman (53), David Jones (54), Joel Soriano (55), Jonathan Mogbo (57), Zyon Pullin (58)

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    • #1263587
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      For the team-by-team breakdown, this is how it would look:

      Boston Celtics – Tyler Smith (30), Hansen Yang (41), RJ Davis (54)
      Brooklyn Nets – (none)
      New York Knicks – Izan Almansa (24), Antonio Reeves (25), Cam Spencer (38)
      Philadelphia 76ers – Kel’el Ware (17), KJ Simpson (36), Mantas Rubstavicius (47), 55 forfeit
      Toronto Raptors – Robbie Avila (6), Matas Buzelis (18), Trey Alexander (29), Kevin McCullar (31)

      Chicago Bulls – Kyle Filipowski (11)
      Cleveland Cavaliers – Malique Lewis (20)
      Detroit Pistons – Zaccharie Risacher (1)
      Indiana Pacers – Coleman Hawkins (50), Keshon Gilbert (51), Andrej Jelavic (53)
      Milwaukee Bucks – DaRon Holmes (23), Devin Carter (34)

      Atlanta Hawks – Ron Holland (10), Dalton Knecht (14)
      Charlotte Hornets – Stephon Castle (3), N’Faly Dante (60)
      Miami Heat – Reed Sheppard (15), Jaedon LeDee (45)
      Orlando Magic – Mark Sears (19), Johni Broome (49)
      Washington Wizards – Jared McCain (2), Enrique Freeman (52)

      Denver Nuggets – Tristan da Silva (28), Chris Youngblood (57)
      Minnesota Timberwolves – Carlton “Bub” Carrington (27), Terrence Shannon (32)
      Oklahoma City Thunder – Isaiah Collier (12), Bobi Klintman (26)
      Portland Trailblazers – Alexandre Sarr (4), Ja’Kobe Walter (13), Darrion Williams (33), Dillon Jones (40)
      Utah Jazz – Donovan Clingan (8)

      Golden State Warriors – (none)
      Los Angeles Clippers – Tyon Grant-Foster (48)
      Los Angeles Lakers – Trevon Brazile (56)
      Phoenix Suns – Tyler Kolek (22), JT Toppin (35), 58 forfeit
      Sacramento Kings – Milan Momcilovic (44)

      Dallas Mavericks – (none)
      Houston Rockets – Rob Dillingham (9), Johnny Furphy (42), Anton Watson (43)
      Memphis Grizzlies – Cody Williams (7), Yves Missi (37), Ryan Dunn (39), LJ Cryer (59)
      New Orleans Pelicans – Zach Edey (16), Tidjane Salaun (21)
      San Antonio Spurs – Nikola Topic (5), Jamal Shead (46)

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    • #1263594
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      Robbie Avila is a surprise!

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  • #1263597
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    Great to see you back and excellent mock as always JazzP.

    Really useful to have the team by team pick breakdown. If Boston could get those 3 they would be happy. I like the Portland and Memphis picks too.

    Is this a BPA or team needs based draft as I’m not going to highlight any fits which don’t make positional sense IMO if it is BPA based.

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    • #1263603
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      Thank you very much!!!
      Honestly I never really specifically picked one or the other, I just figured if I thought a team had a clear need or a focus on building through the draft I went needs based and otherwise I went BPA. I tried to use my subjective impressions of teams’ recent draft trends.
      I was mocking off of a 60 prospect big board, not a full sized one (which I haven’t updated in a while for myself :/), so I think that could throw it off a bit.

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  • #1263604
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    Ah shoot, I realize that Chris Youngblood was also in the transfer portal and announced a transfer to Alabama on the day I posted this. Well, there will be more updates to come, I’m sure.

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  • #1263606
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    Robbie Avila and guard Isaiah Swope are visiting Saint Louis University this week, and it would seem likely will commit to the Billikens shortly thereafter. Usually, when a guy goes into the portal with a “do not contact” tag, he knows where he is going. It definitely isn’t the NBA Draft.

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  • #1263608
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    I one that didn’t quite sit right with me was Clingan at Utah as they have Kessler there who cannot even get the regular starting gig. You’d have two bigs who are excellent blockers who may not play well together. But Danny Ainge was a disciple of Red Auerbach and one of Red’s mantras was “You can’t teach height” so Ainge might follow that.

    Also with Ainge being a wheeler dealer could they cash in on Kessler for assets and draft Clingan as a ready made replacement. Kessler is NBA proven and still has two years on his rookie deal so would have nice trade value. Just throwing a fun idea out there.

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  • #1263624
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    I feel as though if the Jazz stick around their expected slot that they would be one of the teams who could go for a wing. It is an odd team. Keyonte George showed promise and Collin Sexton re-emerged after a pair of injury plagued years. They don’t necessarily need a guard, certainly not a small one, but I don’t think they are necessarily precluded from going there. Maybe they are the team that goes for Collier or Dillingham, and then deal Clarkson.

    I expect them to extend Markkanen, and they seem to like John Collins, so a big wing makes sense. While it is far from a perfect crop, there are numerous candidates: Buzelis, Williams, Salaun (Ainge typically drafts Americans but still a possibility), Holland, Castle, and maybe Knecht (I don’t think he will go as high as the mock drafts do). I think that is the area where they need to throw darts the most.

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  • #1263626
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    CAstle with his defensive game would be the sort of player Ainge would be drawn to. Utah have scorers in place so Castle could have time to develop that part of his game. The Jazz have all those picks due so I think there is a lot of rebuilding to be done and Ainge and co are always willing to take time if required..

    Markkanen I’d assume would be a player that Utah are looking to rebuild around. Whether he extends this summer or waits another year when he could enter free agency and potentially get a far bigger deal. He’d only be 28 when he hits FA so could be in line for a huge deal. If he wasn’t keen on extending this summer it would be no surprise to see Ainge looking to move him and get good assets back. With a very cap friendly contract for next season and going to a team he would likely extend with would makeLauri have great trade value.

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  • #1263664
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    Ok, with quite a few draft/transfer decisions having been made since, I figured I’d update this. I have a few impactful players who haven’t yet made a draft decision on my mock (like DaRon Holmes and JT Toppin), but I mostly tried to shy away from players who haven’t formally declared. I think the deadline for NCAA players to declare for early entry is in 4 days or so though?

    Anyways, I also tried to clean up the draft rights ownership, I think I finally have everything correct up to date.

    1. Detroit Pistons – Zaccharie Risacher, JL Bourg-en-Bresse (previous: 1)
    2. Washington Wizards – Alexandre Sarr, Perth (previous: 4)
    3. Charlotte Hornets – Jared McCain, Duke (previous: 2)
    4. Portland Trailblazers – Ulrich Chomche, NBA Global Academy Africa (previous: not ranked)
    5. San Antonio Spurs – Nikola Topic, KK Crvena Zvezda (previous: 5)
    6. Toronto Raptors – Donovan Clingan, Connecticut (previous: 8)
    7. Memphis Grizzlies – Rob Dillingham, Kentucky (previous: 9)
    8. Utah Jazz – Stephon Castle, Connecticut (previous: 3)
    9. Houston Rockets (from Brooklyn) – Isaiah Collier, USC (previous: 12)
    10. Atlanta Hawks – Cody Williams, Colorado (previous: 7)
    11. Chicago Bulls – Ron Holland, G League Ignite (previous: 10)
    12. Oklahoma City Thunder (from Houston) – Matas Buzelis, G League Ignite (previous: 18)
    13. Portland Trailblazers (from Golden St) – Ja’Kobe Walter, Baylor (previous: 13)
    14. Sacramento Kings – Reed Sheppard, Kentucky (previous: 15)
    15. Miami Heat – Dalton Knecht, Tennessee (previous: 14)
    16. New Orleans Pelicans (from LAL) – Kyle Filipowski, Duke (previous: 11)
    17. Philadelphia 76ers – Terrence Shannon, Illinois (previous: 32)
    18. Toronto Raptors (from Indiana) – Pacome Dadiet, Ratiopharm Ulm (previous: not ranked)
    19. Orlando Magic – Zach Edey, Purdue (previous: 16)
    20. Cleveland Cavaliers – Johnny Furphy, Kansas (previous: 42)
    21. Phoenix Suns – Mark Sears, Alabama (previous: 19)
    22. New Orleans Pelicans – JT Toppin, New Mexico (previous: 35)
    23. Milwaukee Bucks – Kel’el Ware, Indiana (previous: 17)
    24. New York Knicks – DaRon Holmes, Dayton (previous: 23)
    25. New York Knicks (from Dallas) – Devin Carter, Providence (previous: 34)
    26. Washington Wizards (from LAC) – Carlton “Bub” Carrington, Pittsburgh (previous: 27)
    27. Minnesota Timberwolves – KJ Simpson, Colorado (previous: 36)
    28. Denver Nuggets – Tidjane Salaun, Cholet (previous: 21)
    29. Utah Jazz (from OKC) – Malique Lewis, Mexico City (previous: 20)
    30. Boston Celtics – Izan Almansa, G League Ignite (previous: 24)

    31. Toronto Raptors (from Detroit) – Jaedon LeDee, San Diego St (previous: 45)
    32. Utah Jazz (from Washington) – Yves Missi, Baylor (previous: 37)
    33. Portland Trailblazers (from Charlotte) – Bobi Klintman, Cairns (previous: 26)
    34. Milwaukee Bucks (from Portland) – Kevin McCullar, Kansas (previous: 31)
    35. San Antonio Spurs – Tyler Smith, G League Ignite (previous: 30)
    36. Indiana Pacers (from Toronto) – Ryan Dunn, Virginia (previous: 39)
    37. Minnesota Timberwolves (from Memphis) – Antonio Reeves, Kentucky (previous: 25)
    38. New York Knicks (from Utah) – Mantas Rubstavicius, New Zealand (previous: 47)
    39. Memphis Grizzlies (from Brooklyn) – Justin Edwards, Kentucky (previous: not ranked)
    40. Portland Trailblazers (from Atlanta) – Trentyn Flowers, Adelaide (previous: not ranked)
    41. Philadelphia 76ers (from Chicago) – N’Faly Dante, Oregon (previous: 60)
    42. Houston Rockets – Alex Karaban, Connecticut (previous: not ranked)
    43. Houston Rockets (from Golden St) – Jalen Bridges, Baylor (previous: not ranked)
    44. Sacramento Kings – Trevon Brazile, Arkansas (previous: 56)
    45. Miami Heat – Jamal Shead, Houston (previous: 46)
    46. San Antonio Spurs (from LAL) – Anton Watson, Gonzaga (previous: 43)
    47. Philadelphia 76ers – FORFEIT
    48. Los Angeles Clippers (from Indiana) – Tyon Grant-Foster, Grand Canyon (previous: 48)
    49. Orlando Magic – Hunter Sallis, Wake Forest (previous: not ranked)
    50. Indiana Pacers (from Cleveland) – Adem Bona, UCLA (previous: not ranked)
    51. Washington Wizards (from Phoenix) – Noah Penda, JA Vichy (previous: not ranked)
    52. Indiana Pacers (from New Orleans) – Dillon Jones, Weber St (previous: 40)
    53. Golden St Warriors (from Milwaukee) – Tristan da Silva, Colorado (previous: 28)
    54. Detroit Pistons (from New York) – Harrison Ingram, North Carolina (previous: not ranked)
    55. Boston Celtics (from Dallas) – Cam Spencer, Connecticut (previous: 38)
    56. Los Angeles Lakers (from LAC) – Tyler Kolek, Marquette (previous: 22)
    57. Denver Nuggets (from Minnesota) – Andrej Jelavic, KK Mega MIS (previous: 53)
    58. Phoenix Suns (from Denver) – FORFEIT
    59. Memphis Grizzlies (from OKC) – Coleman Hawkins, Illinois (previous: 50)
    60. Dallas Mavericks (from Boston) – Ajay Mitchell, UCSB (previous: not ranked)

    Guys that dropped out:
    Robbie Avila (6) – transferring to St Louis,
    Trey Alexander (29) – undeclared,
    Darrion Williams (33) – returning to Texas Tech,
    Hansen Yang (41) – undeclared,
    Milan Momcilovic (44) – returning to Iowa St,
    Johni Broome (49) – returning to Auburn,
    Keshon Gilbert (51) – returning to Iowa St,
    Enrique Freeman (52)
    RJ Davis (54) – undeclared,
    Chris Youngblood (57) – transferring to Alabama,
    LJ Cryer (59) – returning to Houston

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    • #1263665
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      The team-by-team breakdown of this looks like this-
      Boston Celtics: Izan Almansa (30), Cam Spencer (55)
      Brooklyn Nets: none
      New York Knicks: DaRon Holmes (24), Devin Carter (25), Mantas Rubstavicius (38)
      Philadelphia 76ers: Terrence Shannon (17), N’Faly Dante (41), FORFEIT (47)
      Toronto Raptors: Donovan Clingan (6), Pacome Dadiet (18), Jaedon LeDee (31)
      Chicago Bulls: Ron Holland (11)
      Cleveland Cavaliers: Johnny Furphy (20)
      Detroit Pistons: Zaccharie Risacher (1), Harrison Ingram (54)
      Indiana Pacers: Ryan Dunn (36), Adem Bona (50), Dillon Jones (52)
      Milwaukee Bucks: Kel’el Ware (23), Kevin McCullar (34)
      Atlanta Hawks: Cody Williams (10)
      Charlotte Hornets: Jared McCain (3)
      Miami Heat: Dalton Knecht (15), Jamal Shead (45)
      Orlando Magic: Zach Edey (19), Hunter Sallis (49)
      Washington Wizards: Alexandre Sarr (2), Carlton Carrington (26), Noah Penda (51)

      Denver Nuggets: Tidjane Salaun (28), Andrej Jelavic (57)
      Minnesota Timberwolves: KJ Simpson (27), Antonio Reeves (37)
      Oklahoma City Thunder: Matas Buzelis (12)
      Portland Trailblazers: Ulrich Chomche (4), Ja’Kobe Walter (13), Bobi Klintman (33), Trentyn Flowers (40)
      Utah Jazz: Stephon Castle (8), Malique Lewis (29), Yves Missi (32)
      Golden St Warriors: Tristan da Silva (53)
      Los Angeles Clippers: Tyon Grant-Foster (48)
      Los Angeles Lakers: Tyler Kolek (56)
      Phoenix Suns: Mark Sears (21), FORFEIT (58)
      Sacramento Kings: Reed Sheppard (14), Trevon Brazile (44)
      Dallas Mavericks: Ajay Mitchell (60)
      Houston Rockets: Isaiah Collier (9), Alex Karaban (42), Jalen Bridges (43)
      Memphis Grizzlies: Rob Dillingham (7), Justin Edwards (39), Coleman Hawkins (59)
      New Orleans Pelicans: Kyle Filipowski (16), JT Toppin (22)
      San Antonio Spurs: Nikola Topic (5), Tyler Smith (35), Anton Watson (46)

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  • #1263667
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    Excellent mock as always a few picks do look like reaches yet I can see a reason why they would pick them.

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  • #1263671
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    Thinking about Portland taking a big at number 4 be it Sarr, Clingan or maybe reach for Chomche as Jazz P suggests. I wonder what the trade market for Ayton and Grant is?

    If Portland took a long term guy like Chomche it would make sense to keep Ayton in place for a bit but if they went with say Clingan then they could easily move Ayton right away. Ayton has two years left on his deal and Grant has potentially 4 years on his. Both would have good trade value.
    Could a team looking to improve sooner like say the Spurs look at one of them. Also GSW have CP3 with his unguaranteed deal for next year could that come into play here?

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  • #1263673
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    I don’t feel as though Jerami Grant has a great deal of trade value on his contract. Grant could be someone the Sixers pivot to should LeBron, Paul George, and Siakam re-sign with their current teams. Where else makes sense from a financial and competitive standpoint? He is going into year 11 on a big number for four more years, assuming he opts in to his final player option, and has missed a lot of games over the past four seasons. This isn’t about him being a good player, but it is a major commitment that can easily go sideways. OKC still has cap room, but they have one more year before likely max or near max extensions for Jalen Williams and Chet Holmgren. This, along with a likely max extension for SGA this summer, means they have two years of money overpay role players without real consequences. The third and fourth year on Grant would kill them in the tax. Orlando and Utah don’t make sense in terms of need. Detroit just traded him away.

    Ayton is harder to figure. I definitely think less of him for preferring touches on a clearly awful team to having fewer and a different role on one with Booker and Durant. If your goal is to build a winner, is that someone you trade for?

    Portland seems like the kind of team that could take a chance on Chomche, though not in the lottery. They have two in the 2nd, which is where multi-year projects make more sense. I don’t think they did well in handling Ibou Badji or Ryan Rupert so far, but have a year with a G-League team now. I think there is a growing curve with how teams operate them.

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  • #1263674
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    Ayton tried to join the Pacers but the Suns matched the offer sheet. Then he was shifted to Portland as the Suns would have had huge luxury tax bill otherwise. Great point about Grant missing a fair few games despite being a 20ppg guy over the last few seasons. If Dame had pushed for him to be retained then Dame did him a huge favour.

    It is hard to tell how good a guy like Grant would be as a 3rd string on a top team. I had thought with guaranteed years that a contending team might look at him to fit in with their window but durability might be the issue.

    Ayton is still only 25 but seems to have hit a ceiling of being a 16 to 18 ppg player who puts up about 10 rpg. without quite becoming a top defensive guy. Can he move on and become a true 20/10 player or might he just assume a role as a good big man on a contending team when his next contract comes up. He’ll still be well paid but probably not at his current rate.

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  • #1263713
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    1.Zaccharie Risacher
    2. Alexandre Sarr
    3. Stephon Castle
    4. Reed Shepherd
    5. Donovan Clingan
    6. Nikola Topic
    7. Dalton Knecht
    8. Rob Dillingham
    9. Matas Buzelis
    10. Cody Williams
    11.Ronald Holland
    12.Kel’el Ware
    13.Tyler Smith
    14.Terence Shannon
    15.Ja’Kobe Walter
    16.Zach Edey
    17.Carlton Carrington
    18.Ulrich Chomche
    19.Isaiah Collier
    20.Yves Missi
    21. Kyle Filipowski
    22.KayShawn George
    23.Tidjane Salaun
    24.Bobi Klintman
    25.Tristan DaSilva
    26.Jared McCain
    27.Devin Carter
    28.Johnny Furphy
    29.DaRon Holmes
    30.N’Faly Dante

    I’ve finally managed to get my 1st round in a BPA order. These aren’t on team needs. I’ll do a full mock when we know the draft lottery.

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    • #1263714
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      I like it! Little surprised with Dante to end the first…

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    Dante had a very good 5th year senior season IMO and I was impressed with his huge 28/20 game vs a good Creighton team. I have him and DaRon Holmes at the end of the draft as NBA ready big men who can go onto a contending team and play rotation minutes immediately.

    If it was a positional and team needs draft then I’d have Holmes and Dante at 28 and 30 in either order to Denver and Boston respectively.
    I’ve found a website where I can do a full team needs and write up draft which I intend to do and I’ll post a link on here if the mock draft option isn’t opened up.

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    • #1263717
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      I get the appeal of N’Faley Dante, but am still a little surprised he’s in your first round… but hey I have LeDee in that range.

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    Jaydon is just outside my first round. I put Dante ahead of him as Dante is nearly two years younger and has a couple of solid NCAA seasons out of his 5 years on his resume. LeDee did fairly little in his first 4 years then had a great breakout year in 23/24.If Dante can continue this upward curve in his game then he can have an NBA career.

    He not only improved his scoring hugely but discovered a 3 point range a bit like how guys like Al Horford, Paul Millsap and David West did later in their NBA careers. I can understand the likes of Zach Edey not needing a 3 point range in college but the bigs the next level down unless they are elite defenders can do with one..

    LeDee to Bucks at 33 would be where I’d probably place him currently in my 2nd round.

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  • #1263728
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    https://www.nba.com/news/78-players-invited-to-participate-at-2024-nba-draft-combine

    I was a little surprised to see LeDee and Nae’Qwan Tomlin only got invites to the G-League Elite Camp, though Tomlin more so than LeDee. Tomlin is certainly an NBA athlete, and would regard him as no less as prospect (and I would argue a better one if the character checks out after his fallout at K-State) than Trevon Brazile, JT Toppin, and Jonathan Mogbo. With Ryan Kalkbrenner already announcing he is returning to Creighton, I wonder if he will still attend.

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  • #1263861
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    I figured it would be good to post my mock 1.0 on this thread. It includes a few trades early and then a team by team next post…

    1 – ATL – Alex Sarr
    This pick is involved in a trade. Trae Young/Alex Sarr/Bruno Fernando for
    Brandon Ingram/Herbert Jones/Jordan Hawkins/Jose Alvarado/#21 pick

    2 – WAS – Nikola Topic
    This pick is involved in a trade. Nikola Topic/Bilal Coulibaly/Kyle Kuzma/Jared Butler for
    Tre Jones/Keldon Johnson/Jeremy Sochan/#4, #35 picks

    3 – HOU – Stephon Castle
    This pick is involved in a trade. Fred VanVleet/Stephon Castle/Cam Whitmore/Tari Eason/Steven Adams for
    Donovan Mitchell/Ty Jerome/Dean Wade/Jarrett Allen/#20 pick

    4 – SAN – Rob Dillingham
    This pick is involved in the Topic trade and goes to the Wizards.

    5 – DET – Zaccharie Risacher
    6 – CHA – Reed Sheppard
    7 – POR – Matas Buzelis
    8 – SAN – Donovan Clingan
    9 – MEM – Yves Missi
    10 – UTA – Jared McCain
    11 – CHI – Ron Holland
    12 – OKC – Cody Williams
    13 – SAC – Tidjane Salaun
    14 – POR – Kyshawn George
    15 – MIA – Devin Carter
    16 – PHI – Dalton Knecht
    17 – LAL – Kel’el Ware
    18 – ORL – Pacome Dadiet
    19 – TOR – Zach Edey

    20 – CLE – Jaylon Tyson
    This pick is involved in the Stephon Castle trade and goes to the Rockets.

    21 – NOP – DaRon Holmes II
    This pick is involved in the Alex Sarr trade and goes to the Hawks.

    22 – PHO – Bub Carrington
    23 – MIL – Isaiah Collier
    24 – NYK – Juan Nunez
    25 – NYK – Ulrich Comche
    26 – WAS – Tyler Smith
    27 – MIN – Justin Edwards
    28 – DEN – Ja’Kobe Walter
    29 – UTA – Trentyn Flowers
    30 – BOS – Ajay Mitchell

    31 – TOR – Tyler Kolek
    32 – UTA – AJ Johnson
    33 – MIL – Malique Lewis
    34 – POR – Kyle Filipowski

    35 – SAN – Terrence Shannon, Jr.
    This trade was involved in the Nikola Topic trade and goes to the Wizards.

    36 – IND – KJ Simpson
    37 – MIN – Baylor Scheierman
    38 – NYK – Nique Clifford
    39 – MEM – Antonio Reeves
    40 – POR – Nikola Djurisic
    41 – PHI – Tristan Da Silva
    42 – CHA – JT Toppin
    43 – MIA – Coleman Hawkins
    44 – HOU – Kevin McCullar
    45 – SAC – Adem Bona
    46 – LAC – Oso Ighodoro
    47 – ORL – Ariel Hukporti
    48 – SAN – Jaedon LeDee
    49 – IND – Bobi Klintman
    50 – IND – Jamir Watkins
    51 – WAS – Trevon Brazile
    52 – GSW – Tyon Grant-Foster
    53 – DET – Melvin Ajinca
    54 – BOS – Ryan Dunn
    55 – LAL – Bronny James
    56 – DEN – Dillon Jones
    57 – MEM – Enrique Freeman
    58 – DAL – Jamal Shead

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    • #1263874
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      Ooh I really like the trade predictions and I think they make sense, that’s fun!

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  • #1263862
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    ATL
    DARON HOLMES II (21)
    Brandon Ingram
    Herbert Jones
    Jordan Hawkins
    Jose Alvarado

    WAS
    ROB DILLINGHAM (4)
    TYLER SMITH (26)
    TERRENCE SHANNON, JR. (35)
    TREVON BRAZILE (51)
    Tre Jones
    Keldon Johnson
    Jeremy Sochan

    HOU
    JAYLEN TYSON (20)
    KEVIN MCCULLAR (44)
    Donovan Mitchell
    Ty Jerome
    Dean Wade
    Jarrett Allen

    SAN
    NIKOLA TOPIC (2)
    DONOVAN CLINGAN (8)
    JAEDON LEDEE (48)
    Jared Butler
    Bilal Coulibaly
    Kyle Kuzma

    DET
    ZACCHARIE RISACHER (5)
    MELVIN AJINCA (53)

    CHA
    REED SHEPPARD (6)
    JT TOPPIN (42)

    POR
    MATAS BUZELIS (7)
    KYSHAWN GEORGE (14)
    KYLE FILIPOWSKI (34)
    NIKOLA DJURISIC (40)

    MEM
    YVES MISSI (9)
    ANTONIO REEVES (39)
    ENRIQUE FREEMAN (57)

    UTA
    JARED MCCAIN (10)
    TRENTYN FLOWERS (29)
    AJ JOHNSON (32)

    CHI
    RON HOLLAND (11)

    OKC
    CODY WILLIAMS (12)

    SAC
    TIDJANE SALAUN (13)
    ADEM BONA (45)

    MIA
    DEVIN CARTER (15)
    COLEMAN HAWKINS (43)

    PHI
    DALTON KNECHT (16)
    TRISTAN DA SILVA (41)

    LAL
    KEL’EL WARE (17)
    BRONNY JAMES (55)

    ORL
    PACOME DADIET (18)
    ARIEL HUKPORTI (47)

    TOR
    ZACH EDEY (19)
    TYLER KOLEK (31)

    CLE
    STEPHON CASTLE (3)
    Fred VanVleet
    Cam Whitmore
    Tari Eason
    Steven Adams

    NOP
    ALEX SARR (1)
    Trae Young
    Bruno Fernando

    PHO
    BUB CARRINGTON (22)

    MIL
    ISAIAH COLLIER (23)
    MALIQUE LEWIS (33)

    NYK
    JUAN NUNEZ (24)
    ULRICH COMCHE (25)
    NIQUE CLIFFORD (38)

    MIN
    JUSTIN EDWARDS (27)
    BAYLOR SCHEIERMAN (37)

    DEN
    JA’KOBE WALTER (28)

    BOS
    AJAY MITCHELL (30)
    RYAN DUNN (54)

    IND
    KJ SIMPSON (36)
    BOBI KLINTMAN (49)
    JAMIR WATKINS (50)

    LAC
    OSO IGHODORO (46)

    GSW
    TYON GRANT-FOSTER (52)

    DAL
    JAMAL SHEAD (58)

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  • #1263872
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    Some good trade ideas there which work out pretty fair. If the Spurs could pull that off then it would be a great night for them. I do wonder with the Spurs do they need a veteran who has won a title to be their locker room leader. With FA I thought of Klay Thompson, Siakam or OG perhaps but if FVV is possibly being traded could he be their ball carrier and leader?

    The other fun thought I had for them was trading for Draymond Green. He has baggage but is a proven winner and could teach the young roster “the dark arts”. Pops had Bruce Bowen before who knew how to get at opponents and was an elite defensive guy

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  • #1263875
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    I have been moving things around QUITE A BIT lately, probably overreacting to the combine.
    However, I think this draft is pretty darn wide open, so I don’t mind flying by the seat of recent impressions lol.
    Here’s my take right now!!

    1. Atlanta Hawks – Donovan Clingan, Connecticut (previous: 6)
    2. Washington Wizards – Alexandre Sarr, Perth (previous: 2)
    3. Houston Rockets (from Brooklyn) – Reed Sheppard, Kentucky (previous: 14)
    4. San Antonio Spurs – Zaccharie Risacher, JL Bourg-en-Bresse (previous: 1)
    5. Detroit Pistons – Cody Williams, Colorado (previous: 10)
    6. Charlotte Hornets – Stephon Castle, Connecticut (previous: 8)
    7. Portland Trailblazers – Matas Buzelis, G League Ignite (previous: 12)
    8. San Antonio Spurs (from Toronto) – Nikola Topic, KK Crvena Zvezda (previous: 5)
    9. Memphis Grizzlies – Zach Edey, Purdue (previous: 19)
    10. Utah Jazz – Rob Dillingham, Kentucky (previous: 7)
    11. Chicago Bulls – Tidjane Salaun, Cholet (previous: 28)
    12. Oklahoma City Thunder (from Houston) – Dalton Knecht, Tennessee (previous: 15)
    13. Sacramento Kings – Jared McCain, Duke (previous: 3)
    14. Portland Trailblazers (from Golden St) – Ja’Kobe Walter, Baylor (previous: 13)
    15. Miami Heat – Kyle Filipowski, Duke (previous: 16)
    16. Philadelphia 76ers – Ron Holland, G League Ignite (previous: 11)
    17. New Orleans Pelicans (from LAL) – JT Toppin, New Mexico (previous: 22)
    18. Orlando Magic – Devin Carter, Providence (previous: 25)
    19. Toronto Raptors (from Indiana) – Isaiah Collier, USC (previous: 9)
    20. Cleveland Cavaliers – Trey Alexander, Creighton (previous: unranked)
    21. New Orleans Pelicans – Bobi Klintman, Cairns (previous: 33)
    22. Phoenix Suns – Jamal Shead, Houston (previous: 45)
    23. Milwaukee Bucks – Kel’el Ware, Indiana (previous: 23)
    24. New York Knicks (from Dallas) – DaRon Holmes, Dayton (previous: 24)
    25. New York Knicks – Tristan da Silva, Colorado (previous: 53)
    26. Washington Wizards (from LAC) – Kyshawn George, Miami (previous: unranked)
    27. Minnesota Timberwolves – KJ Simpson, Colorado (previous: 27)
    28. Denver Nuggets – Ulrich Chomche, NBA Global Academy Africa (previous: 4)
    29. Utah Jazz (from OKC) – Alex Karaban, Connecticut (previous: 42)
    30. Boston Celtics – Cameron Christie, Minnesota (previous: unranked)

    31. Toronto Raptors (from Detroit) – Johnny Furphy, Kansas (previous: 20)
    32. Utah Jazz (from Washington) – Kevin McCullar, Kansas (previous: 34)
    33. Milwaukee Bucks (from Portland) – Terrence Shannon, Illinois (previous: 17)
    34. Portland Trailblazers (from Charlotte) – Carlton “Bub” Carrington, Pittsburgh (previous: 26)
    35. San Antonio Spurs – Jalen Bridges, Baylor (previous: 43)
    36. Indiana Pacers (from Toronto) – Yves Missi, Baylor (previous: 32)
    37. Minnesota Timberwolves (from Memphis) – Mark Sears, Alabama (previous: 21)
    38. New York Knicks (from Utah) – Baylor Scheierman, Creighton (previous: unranked)
    39. Memphis Grizzlies – Tyler Smith, G League Ignite (previous: 35)
    40. Portland Trailblazers (from Atlanta) – Justin Edwards, Kentucky (previous: 39)
    41. Philadelphia 76ers (from Chicago) – Pacome Dadiet, Ratiopharm Ulm (previous: 18)
    42. Charlotte Hornets (from Houston) – Coleman Hawkins, Illinois (previous: 59)
    43. Miami Heat – AJ Johnson, Illawarra (previous: unranked)
    44. Houston Rockets (from Golden St) – Trentyn Flowers, Adelaide (previous: 40)
    45. Sacramento Kings – Isaac Jones, Washington St (previous: unranked)
    46. Los Angeles Clippers (from Indiana) – Hunter Sallis, Wake Forest (previous: 49)
    47. Orlando Magic – Izan Almansa, G League Ignite (previous: 30)
    48. San Antonio Spurs (from LAL) – Ryan Dunn, Virginia (previous: 36)
    49. Philadelphia 76ers – FORFEIT
    50. Indiana Pacers (from Cleveland) – Harrison Ingram, North Carolina (previous: 54)
    51. Indiana Pacers (from New Orleans) – Melvin Ajinca, Saint Quentin (previous: unranked)
    52. Washington Wizards (from Phoenix) – Noah Penda, JA Vichy (previous: 51)
    53. Golden State Warriors (from Milwaukee) – Mantas Rubstavicius, New Zealand (previous: 38)
    54. Detroit Pistons (from New York) – Antonio Reeves, Kentucky (previous: 37)
    55. Boston Celtics (from Dallas) – Mouhamed Faye, Reggio Emilia (previous: unranked)
    56. Los Angeles Lakers (from LAC) – Dillon Jones, Weber St (previous: 52)
    57. Denver Nuggets (from Minnesota) – Tyler Kolek, Marquette (previous: 56)
    58. Memphis Grizzlies (from Denver) – Tyon Grant-Foster, Grand Canyon (previous: 48)
    59. Phoenix Suns (from OKC) – FORFEIT
    60. Dallas Mavericks (from Boston) – Enrique Freeman, Akron (previous: unranked)

    Dropped from last list:
    Malique Lewis (29)
    Jaedon LeDee (31)
    N’Faly Dante (41)
    Trevon Brazile (44)
    Anton Watson (46)
    Adem Bona (50)
    Cam Spencer (55)
    Andrej Jelavic (57)
    Ajay Mitchell (60)

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    • #1263879
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      Team-by-team breakdown:

      Boston Celtics – Cameron Christie (30), Mouhamed Faye (55)
      Brooklyn Nets – (none)
      New York Knicks – DaRon Holmes (24), Tristan da Silva (25), Baylor Scheierman (38)
      Philadelphia 76ers – Ron Holland (16), Pacome Dadiet (41)
      Toronto Raptors – Isaiah Collier (19), Johnny Furphy (31)

      Chicago Bulls – Tidjane Salaun (11)
      Cleveland Cavaliers – Trey Alexander (20)
      Detroit Pistons – Cody Williams (5), Antonio Reeves (54)
      Indiana Pacers – Yves Missi (36), Harrison Ingram (50), Melvin Ajinca (51)
      Milwaukee Bucks – Kel’el Ware (23), Terrence Shannon (33)

      Atlanta Hawks – Donovan Clingan (1)
      Charlotte Hornets – Stephon Castle (6), Coleman Hawkins (42)
      Miami Heat – Kyle Filipowski (15), AJ Johnson (43)
      Orlando Magic – Devin Carter (18), Izan Almansa (47)
      Washington Wizards – Alexandre Sarr (2), Kyshawn George (26), Noah Penda (52)

      Denver Nuggets – Ulrich Chomche (28), Tyler Kolek (57)
      Minnesota Timberwolves – KJ Simpson (27), Mark Sears (37)
      Oklahoma City Thunder – Dalton Knecht (12)
      Portland Trailblazers – Matas Buzelis (7), Ja’Kobe Walter (14), Carlton “Bub” Carrington (34), Justin Edwards (40)
      Utah Jazz – Rob Dillingham (10), Alex Karaban (29), Kevin McCullar (32)

      Golden State Warriors – Mantas Rubstavicius (53)
      Los Angeles Clippers – Hunter Sallis (46)
      Los Angeles Lakers – Dillon Jones (56)
      Phoenix Suns – Jamal Shead (22)
      Sacramento Kings – Jared McCain (13), Isaac Jones (45)

      Dallas Mavericks – Enrique Freeman (60)
      Houston Rockets – Reed Sheppard (3), Trentyn Flowers (44)
      Memphis Grizzlies – Zach Edey (9), Tyler Smith (39), Tyon Grant-Foster (58)
      New Orleans Pelicans – JT Toppin (17), Bobi Klintman (21)
      San Antonio Spurs – Zaccharie Risacher (4), Nikola Topic (8), Jalen Bridges (35), Ryan Dunn (48)

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  • #1263878
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    All the picks make sense even if there are guys you have dropped off the list I KNOW i’d have in my mock.

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  • #1263953
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    DaRon Holmes is now number 20 on this site’s mock. He has either got a promise or created a very good impression with them or has impressed a number of teams outside the lottery in mid to later first round.

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    • #1263960
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      Givony and Woo did a mock posted today and Holmes is somehow picked at 50… smh… My they have grown out of touch since the Draft Express peak days…

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  • #1263965
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    I always like Givony and the Nature Boy’s drafts. They have some good ideas like Salaun as high as 8 and Castle to Utah etc. But Holmes seems to have a lot of difference in his draft status.

    If he was only a likely late 2nd rounder could he return to college and a good NILS deal? Great Osobor got a fantastic NILS deal and I;d rate Da’Ron a better player than him. It makes me wonder what Edey’s NILS deal would be worth given he is the best college player for last couple of years. Edey will stay in draft as he is pretty certain to go first round but if he wasn’t then what would a college return have generated moneywise for him?

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    • #1263970
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      Edey would have had record breaking NIL deal if it was allowed for him to do so… but because he’s Canadian the US won’t allow him to get his bank on this one… Edey griped about it earlier.

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    I think there are aspects of mock drafts and draft assessment (the Bronny being a winner or riser after last week will always top the list for me- 6’2″ guard off a bad season shoots 6-18 in scrimmages, struggles to defend bigger players, but did well in a shooting drill and can jump) that can be poorly thought through at this point, but you have to acknowledge that there is a wide spectrum for a lot of guys. Just thinking about the center prospects, I think Sarr is probably gone by #3. Clingan’s floor is probably 8-12. I cannot see all of them passing on him. Beyond those two, rank Kel’el Ware, Kyle Filipowski, Yves Missi, Zach Edey, PJ Hall, Trevon Brazile, Izan Almansa, DaRon Holmes, N’Faly Dante, Ulrich Chomche, Oso Ighodaro, Coleman Hawkins, Adem Bona, Ariel Hukporti, Quentin Post, JT Toppin, and Isaac Jones with confidence. The league has become so style obsessed that it is really difficult to find a spot for Edey. Teams want role players to make sense within their system. If they want to switch everything and spread the floor, then why would they take Edey? Under that theory, they want Kel’el Ware. Why would you take Yves Missi over Trevon Brazile? Physically, Brazile is the more impressive athlete and are at best even in length and size. He is more skilled, and Missi’s rawness far exceeds the one-year age gap even when factoring in that Brazile did not have that good of a season. Why would Kyle Filipowski be widely mocked in the first round and PJ Hall in the 2nd? Hall is a similar size, similar skill level, far better athlete, and coming off a better season where he led a lesser team further. If you were to assess Holmes against this class, he would grade out as a B in most every category: size, mobility, athleticism, skill level, game feel, and production relative to level. Rank that against Chomche where he his size, mobility, and athleticism are As and his skill level, game feel, and production bring him way down. Ighodaro is a great athlete with good feel for the game, but can’t shoot. Hawkins is a lesser athlete with a good feel for the game, but can shoot. It is tough. Added to that, I have stated this quite a bit, this draft has a lot of guys with impressive projectable traits. If the wings and forwards (Djurisic, Smith, Knecht, George, Furphy, Edwards, da Silva, Shannon, McCullar, Ajinca, Tyson, Scheierman, Dunn, Ingram, Flowers, and Dadiet) start going relatively early, the centers and point guards are likely to fall.

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    • #1263974
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      With Edey the combine helped him and there are certain teams like the Thunder that could really use him. As for Missi, he’s so raw that he is a great candidate for improving his shot. He already has taken strides doing that and other parts of his game to where he has a pattern of improvement. Furphy for me, I’ve been leaving him off mocks as of now because he has a tough decision to make and isn’t 100% in the draft. I think he might go back and make money in NILs. I don’t know what to do with Toppin – that’s a tough decision too, but kind of lean the other way. We’ll see though.

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    I understand why people like the idea of Edey to OKC, but they want a spaced floor and the ability to switch. They have brought in Chet, Jaylin Williams, bring in Muscala at every opportunity, and have tried to develop Olivier Sarr. Clearly, they want someone who they can have in a 5-out look and some ability to switch on defense. If they take take Kel’el Ware, it makes sense. If they fall in love with Holmes or Brazile, and nobody want to trade up, they just roll with one of them. If they sign Daniel Theis or Jonas Valanciunas in free agency, they have a couple years where they can afford to overpay a bit to have guys who can step out but also have grown man strength to bang bodies. It would also afford them the chance to take one of those long, athletic projectable guys like Holland, Salaun, Williams, Buzelis, or Smith. Maybe they see Djurisic as a replacement for Giddey if they look to include him in trade him for that switchable stretch center. They have the future picks and young players to get Detroit to move Isaiah Stewart if they want. They have 2025 1st rounders coming out of their ears to put in a deal or any other guy they might want.

    Missi comes from a basketball family. Both of his parents played, and his brother did at Harvard. He is not the old story of an international players who just grew so much people begged him to try basketball. It is somewhat weird that he is this raw given his background, which is why I have some doubts about whether his skills will come around.

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    • #1263991
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      The reason you bring in an Edey is for the Jokic/Embiids of the world. Missi I like better as a prospect for most teams, but imo Edey fits at MEM (likely too high), OKC and then TOR. He should be similar to the mentioned Valanciunas or even Brook Lopez. Edey – like even Gobert can get exposed in lineups with very good playmakers, but what has turned me on Edey to put him a little higher is the combination of his improvement with his agility and his (can’t believe I’m saying this) long range shooting! It actually looked good at the combine and I believe it’s workable. I know Edey has some holes, but who doesn’t in this draft? And at the end of the day looking at what he can do, his potential could be better than I originally thought. I thought all year he could be a 20 minute guy who just gets opponents in foul trouble and plays within his limits. If he continues on his path though, I’d bump his usage up another 6-10 minutes a game and that’s because he’d be hard to stop. I don’t think he’s the star and I believe he can accept that. He’s been in lesser roles at Purdue before winning the Wooden Award.

      Yes, still sticking to my guns on Missi. He showed he has good strength, switches on defense very well and I say he’s raw because I actually see the guy improving his game on the fly. His FT% for example is very bad. It was atrocious in the beginning of the year but then towards the final third of the season it was serviceable. His ability to handle the ball was quite impressive for his size as the year went on. He has good strength and tools like his athletic ability and length. He’s not a finished product yet, but when he figures “it” out, imo he’ll be a very solid player. His assertiveness I think will come around once he puts more of his game together.

      I can see DaRon Holmes actually sneaking into the lottery if a team falls in love with him… but he can also maybe slip to the 30s… He’s on the opposite spectrum of Edey when it comes to draft need within that same range.

      As for Brazile, he worked on his game a bit, but coming off that brutal injury last year, I’m still viewing him as a bigger risk. A lot of his game is still athleticism based and once you get injured like that your chances of getting injured again become higher. He was also not winning much and not putting up big numbers despite being on a bad team. I’d rather have Edey.

      Kel’el Ware I agree make sense in more cases, as he has the shooting and defense already and measured well too. Infact, this sounds crazy – but in a draft like this I can see a world where he ends up the best player in the class if other guys don’t pan out and he were in the perfect situation and somehow became a Myles Turner archetype. But reality is that there are grumblings around the league and draft circles that Ware doesn’t have much of a motor – and double down as if it’s major and real… (I don’t agree, they said the same thing about Tyson Chandler) but that’s the scoop on that one.

      I think Djurisic is a little high for pick 12, but hey you never know – it could happen. He looks like he improved from last year.

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    I think there is a difference between assessing a player and mocking them. The Thunder have established a type of guy they like. It makes more sense, to me at least, to assume they will behave as they have as opposed to make a distinct shift. If they were to go big, and there is no guarantee that is the direction they go because of the flexibility they have to add by other means, other players would better fit their mold. Ware would probably be the most likely. If they were to cast a wider net, I think Holmes or Brazile more resemble the kind of big men they have brought in. It is not that I assess them as lottery picks, but there have been players with the physical and athletic makeup of Trevon Brazile who go far earlier than expected. Again, he has better physical and athletic traits than Missi, and is more skilled. If people feel comfortable thinking of Missi as a lottery pick, why would Brazile be so surprising? I think Holmes is more polished than Ware, but lacks the same elite physical and athletic traits. It would be a bit of a surprise if Holmes goes before Ware, but not outside the realm of possibilities. If they think it is close, the polish and maturity could make the difference.

    It might be early for Djurisic, but the versatile wings have tended to go earlier than expected in the past few drafts (some work and others don’t but think Terry, LaRavia, Jalen Williams, Roddy, Braun, Duarte, Murphy, Grimes, Howard, Jaquez, Sheppard, and Strawther). They were not mocked anywhere near where they went throughout the spring. Shannon is tough because of the legal situation, so I am just going to set him aside. Would it be surprising if some combination of Djurisic, Harrison Ingram, Melvin Ajinca, Jaylon Tyson, Baylor Scheierman, Justin Edwards, Jaylen Wells, Dillon Jones, or Cam Christie end up jumping the guys who are 1st rounders in consensus mocks? They all won’t, some will. If asked to guess, I would think Edwards, Djurisic, Tyson, and Christie would be the most likely. Ingram and Ajinca would be just behind them.

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    In this draft, not much would be shocking… Brazile to the lottery would surprise me but not shock me. DaRon would be the better fit than Brazile most places I think.

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  • #1263997
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    First time seeing this thread, lots of great posts.

    I haven’t watched G league prospects that much, so can someone with better knowledge explain what separates Matas Buzelis from Nikola Djurišić? I see they are same age, similar size, similar shooting percentage. I see that Đurišić won more games.

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    • #1263999
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      Djurisic has a better IQ for the game right now and is more NBA ready than most prospects. I think he’s more of a wing and I know people are selling Buzelis as one, I think he’s an NBA 4 myself. He’s also a better athlete and has more upside in theory because of his length and athleticism. As far as upside – as in what’s the best case scenario for whatever prospect in 3 years, Buzelis has a case to be one of the higher upside picks in the draft. (He might also bust, but I doubt completely) So I guess to answer your question it’s the idea of what Buzelis could become is a slightly higher projectory than Djurisic. Djurisic’s floor is pretty good though and he’s been getting some buzz.

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    Trevon Brazile I see more as a second round guy. Would he benefit returning for his senior year as 2 years on from an ACL guys tend to be better than first year back.

    The quandary whether to take a more NBA ready guy like Holmes or Hall compared to a more raw guy like Comche or Missi has been going on for years. If a team feels they can get the upside guys to the level the NBA ready guys are now a couple of years on I like to go with upside but the risk is you can draft a bust.

    I always drafted on upside for contending teams but with so many win now or looking for that first title I tend to now favour more NBA ready guys. Whoever wins the title this year might be more willing to role the dice on an upside guy IMO.

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    I am not arguing with current perception, nor am I claiming Brazile had a particularly good season. My argument that I believe he will end up going in the first is that he is 6’9.25″ without shoes, 7’3.75″ wingspan, over 9’0″ standing reach with a 41-inch vertical. He has also been 46-130 from three over his up-and-down college career. His combination of length, athleticism is rare on its own, but added to that a promising skill level makes him a rare prospect. You probably have to go back to Tyrus Thomas and Rudy Gay (though coming out Rudy was more polished and I would not put him on the same level as a prospect) to find guys who compare as having 9’0″ standing reach, 40-inch vertical, and don’t enter the league as self-guarded when away from the rim (as was the limiting factor for Udoka Azuibuike and could also be for Adem Bona). Even guys who come close usually end up in the 1st round. If a front court player has a 7+ wingspan and 9+ standing reach, you are typically considered to be really athletic at a 35-inch vert, which is basically the case for Missi and Chomche. The difference is Brazile is both already a better player and has better physical and athletic traits. The reason I mentioned him when discussing the Thunder is that this is the team that took Ousmane Dieng, Darius Bazley, Isaiah Roby, Josh Hall, etc. It is my mental draft algorithm. If a team liked these guys, they might also like that guy.

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    I can see the Tyrus Thomas physical comparison, I didn’t recall Rudy being an athletic freak. He was more of an inconsistent scorer when he was drafted but had been seen as a possible top pick in some early 2006 drafts.

    How do you compare Trevon to say DaRon Holmes another guy in that late first round, early 2nd round mix. There are a load of bigs in that part of the draft, we all have our own opinions which are always selective. We just have to wait to see how it plays out.

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    Whew I’m digging the discussion, sorry I’m not more active in it. I think that there are a few prospects in this draft with some really high upside, but I would imagine that the focus for 2024 is to find guys that can fill a specific role or just address a weakness for an organization, and ideally might just develop further from there.
    I could definitely be overestimating it, too. I definitely don’t have too much to add for any individual players, I think it speaks for itself how much I’ve been changing things around that I happen to think there’s good argument for a wide range of opinions for a lot of guys.
    I definitely have a few favorites, so to speak– I don’t see Mouhamed Faye mocked much and I happen to think that if he stays in this draft that he would be a very likely pick, even if he doesn’t wind up a particularly exciting one. My impression is: He adjusted to his first pro season in Italy’s top league pretty darn well, I’d think a bit ahead of expectations. He wasn’t spectacular but he was a useful role player on a good team. He has a deeper offensive skillset and awareness than defensive, but I think he was solid defensively and did have a few issues offensively that kept him from really doing his thing at the pro level, even though he was still useful. I think he is an excellent athlete who knows how to create opportunities and make use of them, but his execution still isn’t quite tight enough and he had a high turnover rate. I think he had solid passing vision, but again wasn’t able to really put it to use consistently quite yet and was a bit punished for pushing the needle earlier on. He isn’t a shooter and might be a bit of a tweener between PF/C (though I think he is a legit 6’10”), but I think he also has the potential to play the best of both worlds. I would like to see how Eurocamp works out for him, but I think he compares similarly and favorably to Adem Bona (though I certainly did put Bona back in my latest mock, also; and above Faye due to overall NBA familiarity and because Bona did already set a pretty absurdly high bar in combine drills).

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  • #1264099
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    Here is the latest mock I came up with, after the NCAA withdrawal deadline:

    1. Atlanta Hawks – Zaccharie Risacher, JL Bourg-en-Bresse (previous: 4)
    2. Washington Wizards – Alexandre Sarr, Perth (previous: 2)
    3. Houston Rockets (from Brooklyn) – Reed Sheppard, Kentucky (previous: 3)
    4. San Antonio Spurs – Stephon Castle, Connecticut (previous: 6)
    5. Detroit Pistons – Cody Williams, Colorado (previous: 5)
    6. Charlotte Hornets – Ron Holland, G League Ignite (previous: 16)
    7. Portland Trailblazers – Donovan Clingan, Connecticut (previous: 1)
    8. San Antonio Spurs (from Toronto) – Matas Buzelis, G League Ignite (previous: 7)
    9. Memphis Grizzlies – Zach Edey, Purdue (previous: 9)
    10. Utah Jazz – Dalton Knecht, Tennessee (previous: 12)
    11. Chicago Bulls – Tidjane Salaun, Cholet (previous: 11)
    12. Oklahoma City Thunder (from Houston) – Nikola Topic, KK Crvena Zvezda (previous: 8)
    13. Sacramento Kings – Kyle Filipowski, Duke (previous: 15)
    14. Portland Trailblazers (from Golden St) – Rob Dillingham, Kentucky (previous: 10)
    15. Miami Heat – Devin Carter, Providence (previous: 18)
    16. Philadelphia 76ers – Jared McCain, Duke (previous: 13)
    17. New Orleans Pelicans (from LAL) – Yves Missi, Baylor (previous: 36)
    18. Orlando Magic – Ja’Kobe Walter, Baylor (previous: 14)
    19. Toronto Raptors (from Indiana) – Bobi Klintman, Cairns (previous: 21)
    20. Cleveland Cavaliers – Carlton Carrington, Pittsburgh (previous: 34)
    21. New Orleans Pelicans – Tristan da Silva, Colorado (previous: 25)
    22. Phoenix Suns – Jamal Shead, Houston (previous: 22)
    23. Milwaukee Bucks – Kel’el Ware, Indiana (previous: 23)
    24. New York Knicks (from Dallas) – Trey Alexander, Creighton (previous: 20)
    25. New York Knicks – DaRon Holmes, Dayton (previous: 24)
    26. Washington Wizards (from LAC) – Kyshawn George, Miami (previous: 26)
    27. Minnesota Timberwolves – KJ Simpson, Colorado (previous: 27)
    28. Denver Nuggets – Ryan Dunn, Virginia (previous: 48)
    29. Utah Jazz (from OKC) – Isaiah Collier, USC (previous: 19)
    30. Boston Celtics – Johnny Furphy, Kansas (previous: 31)

    31. Toronto Raptors (from Detroit) – Ulrich Chomche, NBA Global Academy Africa (previous: 28)
    32. Utah Jazz (from Washington) – Tyler Smith, G League Ignite (previous: 39)
    33. Milwaukee Bucks (from Portland) – Kevin McCullar, Kansas (previous: 32)
    34. Portland Trailblazers (from Charlotte) – Nikola Djurisic, Mega MIS (previous: not ranked)
    35. San Antonio Spurs – Jalen Bridges, Baylor (previous: 35)
    36. Indiana Pacers (from Toronto) – Cameron Christie, Minnesota (previous: 30)
    37. Minnesota Timberwolves (from Memphis) – Dillon Jones, Weber State (previous: 56)
    38. New York Knicks (from Utah) – Baylor Scheierman, Creighton (previous: 38)
    39. Memphis Grizzlies (from Brooklyn) – Pacome Dadiet, Ratiopharm Ulm (previous: 41)
    40. Portland Trailblazers (from Atlanta) – Justin Edwards, Kentucky (previous: 40)
    41. Philadelphia 76ers (from Chicago) – Jaylen Wells, Washington St (previous: not ranked)
    42. Charlotte Hornets (from Houston) – Terrence Shannon, Illinois (previous: 33)
    43. Miami Heat – Antonio Reeves, Kentucky (previous: 54)
    44. Houston Rockets (from Golden St) – Isaiah Crawford, Louisiana Tech (previous: not ranked)
    45. Sacramento Kings – Melvin Ajinca, Saint Quentin (previous: 51)
    46. Los Angeles Clippers (from Indiana) – Izan Almansa, G League Ignite (previous: 47)
    47. Orlando Magic – Adem Bona, UCLA (previous: not ranked)
    48. San Antonio Spurs (from LAL) – Tyler Kolek, Marquette (previous: 57)
    49. Philadelphia 76ers – FORFEIT
    50. Indiana Pacers (from Cleveland) – Harrison Ingram, North Carolina (previous: 50)
    51. Indiana Pacers (from New Orleans) – Mantas Rubstavicius, New Zealand (previous: 53)
    52. Washington Wizards (from Phoenix) – Trentyn Flowers, Adelaide (previous: 44)
    53. Golden State Warriors (from Milwaukee) – Bronny James, USC (previous: not ranked)
    54. Detroit Pistons (from New York) – Jaxson Robinson, BYU (previous: not ranked)
    55. Boston Celtics (from Dallas) – Mouhamed Faye, Reggio Emilia (previous: 55)
    56. Los Angeles Lakers (from LAC) – Tyon Grant-Foster, Grand Canyon (previous: 58)
    57. Denver Nuggets (from Minnesota) – Enrique Freeman, Akron (previous: 60)
    58. Memphis Grizzlies (from Denver) – AJ Johnson, Illawarra (previous: 43)
    59. Phoenix Suns (from OKC) – FORFEIT
    60. Dallas Mavericks (from Boston) – DJ Burns, NC State (previous: not ranked)

    Dropped from last list:
    JT Toppin (17), withdrawn and transferring to Texas Tech
    Alex Karaban (29), withdrawn and returning to Connecticut
    Mark Sears (37), withdrawn and returning to Alabama
    Coleman Hawkins (42), withdrawn and in transfer portal
    Isaac Jones (45)
    Hunter Sallis (46), withdrawn and returning to Wake Forest
    Noah Penda (52)

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    • #1264100
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      Team-by-team breakdown:

      Boston Celtics – Johnny Furphy (30), Mouhamed Faye (55)
      Brooklyn Nets – (none)
      New York Knicks – Trey Alexander (24), DaRon Holmes (25), Baylor Scheierman (38)
      Philadelphia 76ers – Jared McCain (16), Jaylen Wells (41)
      Toronto Raptors – Bobi Klintman (19), Ulrich Chomche (31)

      Chicago Bulls – Tidjane Salaun (11)
      Cleveland Cavaliers – Carlton Carrington (20)
      Detroit Pistons – Cody Williams (5), Jaxson Robinson (54)
      Indiana Pacers – Cameron Christie (36), Harrison Ingram (50), Mantas Rubstavicius (51)
      Milwaukee Bucks – Kel’el Ware (23), Kevin McCullar (33)

      Atlanta Hawks – Zaccharie Risacher (1)
      Charlotte Hornets – Ron Holland (6), Terrence Shannon (42)
      Miami Heat – Devin Carter (15), Antonio Reeves (43)
      Orlando Magic – Ja’Kobe Walter (18), Adem Bona (47)

      Denver Nuggets – Ryan Dunn (28), Enrique Freeman (57)
      Minnesota Timberwolves – KJ Simpson (27), Dillon Jones (37)
      Oklahoma City Thunder – Nikola Topic (12)
      Portland Trailblazers – Donovan Clingan (7), Rob Dillingham (14), Nikola Djurisic (34), Justin Edwards (40)
      Utah Jazz – Dalton Knecht (10), Isaiah Collier (29), Tyler Smith (31)

      Golden State Warriors – Bronny James (53)
      Los Angeles Clippers – Izan Almansa (46)
      Los Angeles Lakers – Tyon Grant-Foster (56)
      Phoenix Suns – Jamal Shead (22)
      Sacramento Kings – Kyle Filipowski (13), Melvin Ajinca (45)

      Dallas Mavericks – DJ Burns (60)
      Houston Rockets – Reed Sheppard (3), Isaiah Crawford (44)
      Memphis Grizzlies – Zach Edey (9), Pacome Dadiet (39), AJ Johnson (58)
      New Orleans Pelicans – Yves Missi (17), Tristan da Silva (21)
      San Antonio Spurs – Stephon Castle (4), Matas Buzelis (8), Jalen Bridges (35), Tyler Kolek (48)

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  • #1264103
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    Excellent mock and breakdown as always JazzP. All picks make sense even if I’d have some picks different but that is always subjective. I like the Spurs and Knicks hauls most personally.

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    • #1264312
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      Thank you, I very much appreciate it. Although I probably should have waited for more information–
      It looks like Tyon Grant-Foster and Jaxson Robinson both also withdrew from the draft.

      I’ll admit I’m a bit biased toward the Knicks, I grew up with someone who plays for them and it’s a big reason I am so obsessed with basketball (though I probably would have been anyways, I love box scores).
      I thing I’m pretty often wrong, especially when I differ from this site (they can have some whacky picks sometimes but boy do they seem to have a crystal ball come draft day), on what ultimately does end up happening.
      But I stand by some of my sentiments anyways! I’ve definitely had plenty of very bad takes (I thought Tanner Holden was going to be the star of Ohio St and an NBA draft pick coming into the 2022-2023 season and I thought Otega Oweh was overlooked and was going to garner lottery consideration a few months into this season); but I do know last year I was high in particular on Trayce Jackson-Davis, Craig Porter, Nadir Hifi, and Enzo Shahrvin and I think those impressions *mostly* look good at the moment. I do think Hifi will play in the NBA one day, but I suppose only time will tell.

      Heck, I had Ulrich Chomche mocked at #5 a month ago or so– I do think the logic stands that he is one of the absolute highest ceiling prospects in a somewhat meager draft, but plenty of guys who ultimately end up being busts have lots of potential. I don’t think Chomche is necessarily GOING to be a bust, I’m still pretty darn high on him. But I also don’t think he’s really that close to being NBA ready yet and I don’t think lots of teams are capable of running a solid development program on top of being a professional club.
      Some aren’t even interested in trying and some are but just aren’t that good at it, and I like the G League and think it’s a solid foundation for a minor league system but isn’t consistent enough to carry a team who doesn’t buy in themselves and dump resources into their affiliate program IMO.

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  • #1264302
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    I’ve just noticed that Clingan is down to 14 on this site’s mock draft, has he had some negative workouts or durability issues as that seems low for him IMO.

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  • #1264313
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    I made an update to my mock, post Adidas Eurocamp and after the withdrawal deadline has settled since I still had some withdrawn players last time. I also wanted to include the update that the New Orleans Pelicans deferred their claim on the Lakers’ first round draft pick from this year to next, meaning that the Lakers keep their 17th pick this year after all. I do think that’s significant because I do think the Lakers will use that pick on Bronny and that definitely mixes the draft up a bit to me.
    Here’s what I have-

    1. Atlanta Hawks – Zaccharie Risacher, JL Bourg-en-Bresse (previous: 1)
    2. Washington Wizards – Donovan Clingan, Connecticut (previous: 7)
    3. Houston Rockets (from Brooklyn) – Stephon Castle, Connecticut (previous: 4)
    4. San Antonio Spurs – Alexandre Sarr, Perth (previous: 2)
    5. Detroit Pistons – Cody Williams, Colorado (previous: 5)
    6. Charlotte Hornets – Ron Holland, G League Ignite (previous: 6)
    7. Portland Trailblazers – Devin Carter, Providence (previous: 15)
    8. San Antonio Spurs (from Toronto) – Reed Sheppard, Kentucky (previous: 3)
    9. Memphis Grizzlies – Zach Edey, Purdue (previous: 9)
    10. Utah Jazz – Dalton Knecht, Tennessee (previous: 10)
    11. Chicago Bulls – Matas Buzelis, G League Ignite (previous: 8)
    12. Oklahoma City Thunder (from Houston) – Tristan da Silva, Colorado (previous: 21)
    13. Sacramento Kings – Ja’Kobe Walter, Baylor (previous: 18)
    14. Portland Trailblazers (from Golden St) – Tidjane Salaun, Cholet (previous: 11)
    15. Miami Heat – Jared McCain, Duke (previous: 16)
    16. Philadelphia 76ers – Rob Dillingham, Kentucky (previous: 14)
    17. Los Angeles Lakers – Bronny James, USC (previous: 52)
    18. Orlando Magic – Kyle Filipowski, Duke (previous: 13)
    19. Toronto Raptors (from Indiana) – Nikola Topic, KK Crvena Zvezda (previous: 12)
    20. Cleveland Cavaliers – Nikola Djurisic, Mega MIS (previous: 34)
    21. New Orleans Pelicans – Yves Missi, Baylor (previous: 17)
    22. Phoenix Suns – Kevin McCullar, Kansas (previous: 33)
    23. Milwaukee Bucks – Kel’el Ware, Indiana (previous: 23)
    24. New York Knicks (from Dallas) – Trey Alexander, Creighton (previous: 24)
    25. New York Knicks – DaRon Holmes, Dayton (previous: 25)
    26. Washington Wizards (from LAC) – Carlton Carrington, Pittsburgh (previous: 20)
    27. Minnesota Timberwolves – Isaiah Collier, USC (previous: 29)
    28. Denver Nuggets – Ryan Dunn, Virginia (previous: 28)
    29. Utah Jazz (from OKC) – Ulrich Chomche, NBA Global Academy Africa (previous: 31)
    30. Boston Celtics – Johnny Furphy, Kansas (previous: 30)

    31. Toronto Raptors (from Detroit) – Terrence Shannon, Illinois (previous: 42)
    32. Utah Jazz (from Washington) – Kyshawn George, Miami (previous: 26)
    33. Milwaukee Bucks (from Portland) – Antonio Reeves, Kentucky (previous: 43)
    34. Portland Trailblazers (from Charlotte) – Tyler Smith, G League Ignite (previous: 32)
    35. San Antonio Spurs – Bobi Klintman, Cairns (previous: 19)
    36. Indiana Pacers (from Toronto) – Baylor Scheierman, Creighton (previous: 38)
    37. Minnesota Timberwolves (from Memphis) – Jamal Shead, Houston (previous: 22)
    38. New York Knicks (from Utah) – Dillon Jones, Weber St (previous: 37)
    39. Memphis Grizzlies (from Brooklyn) – Cameron Christie, Minnesota (previous: 36)
    40. Portland Trailblazers (from Atlanta) – Justin Edwards, Kentucky (previous: 40)
    41. Philadelphia 76ers (from Chicago) – Jalen Bridges, Baylor (previous: 35)
    42. Charlotte Hornets (from Houston) – Trentyn Flowers, Adelaide (previous: 51)
    43. Miami Heat – Adem Bona, UCLA (previous: 47)
    44. Houston Rockets (from Golden St) – Isaiah Crawford, Louisiana Tech (previous: 44)
    45. Sacramento Kings – Izan Almansa, G League Ignite (previous: 46)
    46. Los Angeles Clippers (from Indiana) – Melvin Ajinca, Saint Quentin (previous: 45)
    47. Orlando Magic – Ruben Dominguez, AB Castello (previous: not ranked)
    48. San Antonio Spurs (from LAL) – KJ Simpson, Colorado (previous: 27)
    49. Indiana Pacers (from Cleveland) – Harrison Ingram, North Carolina (previous: 49)
    50. Indiana Pacers (from New Orleans) – Pacome Dadiet, Ratiopharm Ulm (previous: 39)
    51. Washington Wizards (from Phoenix) – Jaylon Tyson, California (previous: not ranked)
    52. Golden State Warriors (from Milwaukee) – Mantas Rubstavicius, New Zealand (previous: 50)
    53. Detroit Pistons (from New York) – AJ Johnson, Illawarra (previous: 57)
    54. Boston Celtics (from Dallas) – PJ Hall, Clemson (previous: not ranked)
    55. Los Angeles Lakers (from LAC) – DJ Burns, NC State (previous: 58)
    56. Denver Nuggets (from Minnesota) – Tyler Kolek, Marquette (previous: 48)
    57. Memphis Grizzlies (from OKC) – Judah Mintz, Syracuse (previous: not ranked)
    58. Dallas Mavericks (from Boston) – Enrique Freeman, Akron (previous: 56)

    Dropped from last list:
    Jaylen Wells (41)
    Jaxson Robinson (53), withdrawing and transferring to Kentucky
    Mouhamed Faye (54)
    Tyon Grant-Foster (55), withdrawing and returning to Grand Canyon

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    • #1264315
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      The team-by-team breakdown of this is:

      Boston Celtics – Johnny Furphy (30), PJ Hall (54)
      Brooklyn Nets – no picks
      New York Knicks – Trey Alexander (24), DaRon Holmes (25), Dillon Jones (38)
      Philadelphia 76ers – Rob Dillingham (16), Jalen Bridges (41)
      Toronto Raptors – Nikola Topic (19), Terrence Shannon (31)

      Chicago Bulls – Matas Buzelis (11)
      Cleveland Cavaliers – Nikola Djurisic (20)
      Detroit Pistons – Cody Williams (5), AJ Johnson (53)
      Indiana Pacers – Baylor Scheierman (36), Harrison Ingram (49), Pacome Dadiet (50)
      Milwaukee Bucks – Kel’el Ware (23), Antonio Reeves (33)

      Atlanta Hawks – Zaccharie Risacher (1)
      Charlotte Hornets – Ron Holland (6), Trentyn Flowers (42)
      Miami Heat – Jared McCain (15), Adem Bona (43)
      Orlando Magic – Kyle Filipowski (18), Ruben Dominguez (47)
      Washington Wizards – Donovan Clingan (2), Carlton Carrington (26), Jaylon Tyson (51)

      Denver Nuggets – Ryan Dunn (28), Tyler Kolek (56)
      Minnesota Timberwolves – Isaiah Collier (27), Jamal Shead (37)
      Oklahoma City Thunder – Tristan da Silva (12)
      Portland Trailblazers – Devin Carter (7), Tidjane Salaun (14), Tyler Smith (34), Justin Edwards (40)
      Utah Jazz – Dalton Knecht (10), Ulrich Chomche (29), Kyshawn George (32)

      Golden State Warriors – Mantas Rubstavicius (52)
      Los Angeles Clippers – Melvin Ajinca (46)
      Los Angeles Lakers – Bronny James (17), DJ Burns (55)
      Phoenix Suns – Kevin McCullar (22)
      Sacramento Kings – Ja’Kobe Walter (13), Izan Almansa (45)

      Dallas Mavericks – Enrique Freeman (58)
      Houston Rockets – Stephon Castle (3), Isaiah Crawford (44)
      Memphis Grizzlies – Zach Edey (9), Cameron Christie (39), Judah Mintz (57)
      New Orleans Pelicans – Yves Missi (21)
      San Antonio Spurs – Alexandre Sarr (4), Reed Sheppard (8), Bobi Klintman (35), KJ Simpson (48)

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  • #1264324
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    Is Bronny worth the 17th pick?

    Your mocks are always one of the best but to take an unproven guy who had a serious health issue that soon to keep his near 40 year old Dad happy, LBJ is the 2nd greatest player ever behind MJ in my view but this could well be his last season and then a rebuilding Lakers could be left with Bronny eating up cap space. We don’t know what their new coach will think of such a plan and I’d assume that he’d be expected to be there post LBJ era

    I will throw one curveball which could make JazzP’s idea work, the Lakers take Bronny at 17th pick but by doing this for LeBron he agrees to make a much reduced salary to allow them to get FA targets in, bigger MLE options etc. LeBron is a billionaire so giving up a big chunk of salary over half of which would have gone in tax anyway gets Bronny a contract and what he’d make on joint marketing would help cover any salary shortfall.

    All the other choices make great sense as always/

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  • #1264325
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    It makes no sense for the Lakers to take him at #17. He is not that good of a prospect. I don’t say that to be mean. He is a small guard who can’t run the point and 27% from three. At the Combine where draft analysts who want Rich Paul to continue returning their texts claim Bronny did well shot 6-18 in two scrimmages and struggled when switched onto bigger players. If LeBron wants to play two more years, then the Lakers are going to give him a two-year guarantee. It is going to happen. It is nepotism and unfair to everyone who prefers professional sports to be as close to a meritocracy as possible, but there is no denying it. There is absolutely no reason to give him what is essentially a third guaranteed year. If they are so willing to appease LeBron as to take Bronny with a first pick, they aren’t declining his third year after his rookie season. Why do that? The Lakers aren’t cash strapped. They can afford to buy a 2nd round pick (and there are no shortage of willing sellers) if Rich Paul tips them off that another team has interest, and we all can assume he will. They are being very transparent. He is, at best, a middling prospect who isn’t visiting all the teams willing to bring him in for a workout. This doesn’t happen. Most players of his current level are just trying to get on a summer league team, not trying to dictate terms by claiming to reject a two-way deal. For all the people who think of his as a “developmental prospect” you have to understand it a relative term. Even if Bronny becomes a better shooter and handler, he is still a 6’2″ guard. If his “upside” is as a 4th guard and connective piece, then just about every guard going through the draft process has that upside. The only reason to pretend there is legitimacy to him as a prospect is that just about any prospect given two years of time on an NBA roster could develop into a guy who hangs around the league for a decade. There is risk in dismissing someone who will have that chance, because most don’t. That said, that is not how analysis is supposed to work, even in a field as silly as sports.

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    • #1264326
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      It’s actually not the first time I’ve seen him go to the Lakers at 17… but I’m with you… I wouldn’t take him with their 55th pick…

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    • #1264438
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      “It makes no sense for the Lakers to take him at #17. He is not that good of a prospect.”

      I don’t think that his own status as a prospect is what leads them to make that pick.

      “It is nepotism and unfair to everyone who prefers professional sports to be as close to a meritocracy as possible, but there is no denying it.”

      That’s precisely what I think will happen, but I also happen to think it’s in the Lakers’ best interests (at least in the short term) to engage in that nepotism. And also that whether or not I think it is, I sort of expect them to think so. LeBron’s been a shadow GM/team president since he returned to the Cavaliers, that’s the way he operates; that’s what the Lakers signed up for and he won them a championship, so I think they pay the piper.
      I also don’t think it’s a terrible move from a marketing standpoint, and while I think it would ultimately be pretty ridiculous for Bronny to be drafted ahead of quite a few of these folks (like his teammate Isaiah Collier), I don’t think there is anyone that the Lakers would really be enthusiastic about targeting available instead.

      “Why do that? The Lakers aren’t cash strapped. They can afford to buy a 2nd round pick (and there are no shortage of willing sellers)”

      If other teams know that the Lakers want to have Bronny, they can draft him and hold hostage LeBron’s desire to play with his kid. I think it’s funny that media sometimes talk about drafting Bronny to lure LeBron, because I think it’s far more likely they’d just try to steal whatever draft capital the Lakers have left. Rick Carlisle was just quoted as believing that Bronny will be “long gone” by the time the Pacers’ 36th pick is on the clock. IF the Lakers really do want to appease LeBron (which is absolutely an assumption on my part, but I happen to think it’s a safe one) I don’t know why they’d play games with Bronny’s stock at all. Just take him with the 17th pick that they already have and forget about it. Are there better prospects? Of course there are.

      “Even if Bronny becomes a better shooter and handler, he is still a 6’2″ guard. If his “upside” is as a 4th guard and connective piece”

      Chris Paul is shorter than that. I’m not calling Bronny a future Chris Paul or anything, but I don’t think his upside is so capped by being a height that isn’t even super restrictive in the NBA. I do think it’s silly that he is an NBA prospect this year when he is simply not ready, but I think there is more cause to buy into him as a developmental prospect than just any random joe who had a bad freshman season- I’m sure there are more valuable developmental prospects, higher ceiling guys (hello Ulrich Chomche!!) but I don’t think he’s a terrible “project” either. He damn sure isn’t the 17th best prospect lol, I wonder if he is a top 58 prospect– but even still I don’t think he’s as out of place as you seem to make him out to be either.

      “On an objective level, there is no way a person can look at Bronny James and think he is a better prospect than Tristen Newton, Reece Beekman, Trey Alexander, and Boogie Ellis”

      Not gonna lie, I absolutely do think Bronny James is a better prospect than both Reece Beekman and Boogie Ellis. They’re both better players than him right now for sure but they’re also like 4 years older and have notable questions within their own game. Tristen Newton is an interesting debate IMO. I would value Trey more than Bronny though.

      I think what you’re saying makes a lot of sense and I don’t mean to be antagonistic or anything but I don’t think that any of that necessarily makes Bronny NOT the Lakers’ pick at 17 anyways. I’m also not going to say that I’m super confident in it like it’s set in stone either. Heck if I know!!! But that’s my guess and that’s why.

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    On an objective level, there is no way a person can look at Bronny James and think he is a better prospect than Tristen Newton, Reece Beekman, Trey Alexander, and Boogie Ellis. It must absolutely suck for guys like that to have to go through the process like every other draft prospect and stand on their own merits, only for professional analysts in the media to carry water for a lesser player because they don’t want Rich Paul to ignore their texts. The problem is that then the people on the whole believe it.

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  • #1264432
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    Terence Shannon has been found not guilty in his rape trial. I would think this will mean he’ll move up the mock boards unless teams think that dirt might stick.

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    • #1264437
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      I definitely plan to change where he is. Not entirely sure where yet but probably somewhere 15-24 or something.
      I had him as a 2nd round pick largely due to the trial- not necessarily as a morality thing (I wonder how much teams even care about that), but simply as a liability to miss time for trial/sentencing.

      I think teams would be more hesitant to lock into a 4 year rookie contract for a guy that might not see the floor for them, but a 2-year contract seems more feasible, especially for a guy who has the skills on the floor that Shannon does. I also figured that Toronto might make a bit more sense because even though the NBA is a US business and his US legal status still very much matters, the fact that they are in Canada might have improved his situation.

      But if the scenario of that liability is gone, that probably does change his stock a fair bit.

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    I don’t think a team would have taken Shannon if he had been convicted. He is a viable prospect, but not worth the press of “Team X Drafts Terrence Shannon: 3rd Team All-American and convicted rapist.” Please, renew your season tickets before the upcoming deadline. Now that he has been acquitted, it is easier. You can easily see Orlando, Toronto, and Milwaukee consider him.

    As an aside, the Alabama basketball murder case is still moving slowly, but there is a hearing later this week. My guess is those videos are going to be crucial once it goes to trial, especially after one of the witnesses was killed after his motorcycle was hit by a truck, which would be too cliche an Alabama death if this was a movie.

    As for Bronny, if he was as good as Chris Paul, this is a different conversation. He is not a point guard, but is point guard sized at a time teams would prefer their point guards to be 6’4″ or 6’5″. He was the third best point guard on his USC team. That isn’t my assessment, it is the revealed assessment of the coach. In Beekman, you have a comparably sized player who is a better point, better defender, and better shooter (albeit not great). All the supposed Bronny James intangibles that don’t have to do with his father are true of Beekman. He works hard, is smart, and can fit in because of how he plays. The reason a team takes a younger player who has not produced is because he has superior developmental traits to the older and better producing one. Ulrich Chomche is not anywhere close to NBA ready, but the world doesn’t have many 6’11” players with 7’4″ wingspans, 9’1″ standing reaches, and 35 inch verticals. He isn’t good now, but if he develops there are not many who can match his size and athleticism. Teams will assess at some point in the draft when it is right to chance it with him. Teams chance it on Cam Reddish, Justin Edwards, Bilal Coulibaly, the Thompson twins, MarJon Beauchamp, Ousmane Dieng, Ziaire Williams, and Dyson Daniels because if they develop they offer a combination of size and athleticism that is hard to find on the perimeter. That is just not the case with Bronny. A team isn’t drafting him with the expectation he grows to 6’6″ in the next three years. If you put in multiple years with him, all you are going to get is the same kind of guys I mentioned earlier, another handful of players like him who come along in every draft, more who are available in the G-League, and others playing at high levels abroad. What is the reward with hoping to develop him? The thing is, I know Beekman and Ellis aren’t going to get any benefit of the doubt whereas Bronny obviously will. That is the risk of being honest about this situation. In all likelihood, Bronny will have a longer NBA career than them, but that does not make him a better prospect. They are superior players who are being treated like prospects should. Unfortunately for them, their size matters. They don’t fit what NBA teams ideally want. Neither is Bronny, but he is getting treated differently by the media. It gets back to nepotism. You cannot square that circle.

    As for Rick Carlisle, I think he knows how to evade as well as anyone. No coach is going to publicly badmouth a prospect. It serves no purpose to hurt relations with Klutch when maybe they may want to take a flier on one of their other clients like Chomche or Edwards. He came up with an answer that does no harm and means nothing. They have Tyrese Haliburton, TJ McConnell, Andrew Nembhard, Bennedict Mathurin, Aaron Nesmith, and Ben Sheppard. Why would Bronny James be high on their board? LeBron isn’t moving his family to Indy, so he can watch the Mad Ants on his days off. It is absurd.

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    • #1264444
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      I definitely agree that I think it would be unlikely for a team to take Shannon if he was convicted, I really was mostly speculating on if there was no conclusion to his trial yet by draft day and there was still a chance he MIGHT BE convicted.

      As far as Bronny:
      “He is not a point guard, but is point guard sized at a time teams would prefer their point guards to be 6’4″ or 6’5″”

      I mean frankly, I’m not sure he’s much of anything in the NBA *yet*. But I think he has some pretty good passing vision, I think that it’s a reasonable expectation. And as far as teams wanting their point guards to be 6’4″ or 6’5″, I think that’s absolutely true, but teams have to work with the talent they have lol. Everybody wants a big who can shoot, too- but there aren’t many bigs who can do that and still be a big at the NBA level. Teams will still GLADLY take Donovan Mitchell in all his 6’3″ shooting guard glory– though I’m not certainly saying Bronny is Donovan Mitchell either.
      I do happen to think that he will ultimately be “worth” resigning on his own merits after 2 years as an NBA player, and I also don’t think he’s going to be anything special, likely a bench guy or *maybe* a starter a la modern Mike Conley if he shows supernatural awareness or something. I do sort of agree with your cap on his potential to be honest, but I also don’t think that’s necessarily set in stone, especially not due to his size- and also because he IS a pretty darn good athlete.

      “All the supposed Bronny James intangibles that don’t have to do with his father are true of Beekman. He works hard, is smart, and can fit in because of how he plays.”

      Absolutely true, and Beekman is a great leader and a realized defender. But Beekman also can’t score and didn’t develop it in his 4 years of college basketball. Beekman might be able to work his way into a rotation right now and Bronny very likely cannot- but I still think Bronny would be more likely to have a 10 year NBA career down the road than Beekman, even if his last name were “Smith”. I could definitely be wrong, though.

      “He was the third best point guard on his USC team. That isn’t my assessment, it is the revealed assessment of the coach.”

      And while I don’t disagree and will definitely admit he would know better than me, I also would argue that opinion is worth several grains of salt, because if Andy Enfield himself had a good handle on the skills and weaknesses of his players, USC’s season probably wouldn’t have been the disaster it was and he’d perhaps still be their coach. I mean I don’t dislike Enfield- I don’t aim to be critical of the entire person rather than just the singular season, but like… that was not a good season, it was a complete swing and a miss. NOBODY came out looking clean. Boogie was probably the most successful in spite of everything but I mean, he wasn’t exactly the playmaking answer either.

      “Ulrich Chomche is not anywhere close to NBA ready, but the world doesn’t have many 6’11” players with 7’4″ wingspans, 9’1″ standing reaches, and 35 inch verticals. He isn’t good now, but if he develops there are not many who can match his size and athleticism.”

      I’d argue he might not even be that far away either, but maybe. I think his footwork is good and his jump shot isn’t too far off, he just isn’t really all that close to being able to even put the ball on the floor offensively yet, which is the bridge he probably has to cross. But I’m not a real scout, and I’m definitely high on him.

      “Teams will assess at some point in the draft when it is right to chance it with him. Teams chance it on Cam Reddish, Justin Edwards, Bilal Coulibaly, the Thompson twins, MarJon Beauchamp, Ousmane Dieng, Ziaire Williams, and Dyson Daniels because if they develop they offer a combination of size and athleticism that is hard to find on the perimeter. That is just not the case with Bronny.”

      In a vacuum, sure. But I maintain the belief that this isn’t a vacuum. This isn’t the meritocracy that I wish it was. I mean, you saw all the draft combine articles, right? How many were about literally ANYBODY that wasn’t Bronny? Whether we or even HE likes it or not, Bronny is the drafts’ very special boy right now lol.
      I have no idea HOW much that does affect his draft status and I’m purely speculating, but I would be SHOCKED if it wasn’t a factor at all.
      I don’t think teams are ONLY looking at what he can bring as a player; I think it’s really at what point are they willing to risk committing to him as a player if a leverage play on either the Lakers or LeBron doesn’t work. And for the Lakers’ own sake, how much are they willing to sacrifice on making LeBron’s dream’s come true? And genuinely, I don’t think “risking” the 17th pick is all that bad. Heck, the Lakers used their 17th pick on Jalen Hood-Schifino last year. Now I absolutely understand why he was (and perhaps still is) the higher ceiling prospect, but do you have more faith in Hood-Schifino’s pro career than Bronny’s right now?? I don’t, myself.

      “The thing is, I know Beekman and Ellis aren’t going to get any benefit of the doubt whereas Bronny obviously will. That is the risk of being honest about this situation. In all likelihood, Bronny will have a longer NBA career than them, but that does not make him a better prospect. They are superior players who are being treated like prospects should.”

      He will and they won’t, but like… those guys are pretty borderline draft candidates regardless. I guess you could consider it a spot he might be costing them, but I don’t think it’s that deep– there are better players who don’t make it into the NBA league every year IMO. I really don’t think either are even superior prospects in a vacuum. I think Bronny straight up has a better chance of being able to conduct an NBA offense *one day*, purely on his own merits, than either of them do.

      “Neither is Bronny, but he is getting treated differently by the media. It gets back to nepotism. You cannot square that circle.”

      I do think that’s also true. No arguments here. Business has a lot of nepotism. In this particular case though, I don’t even think it’s like a whole NBA conspiracy. I think LEBRON specifically tipped his hat on his goal, the team he plays for *might* feel an obligation, and other teams really just want to take advantage of that potential bind.
      I think it’s really mostly just a ripple effect kind of thing. But that’s really just an attempt to locate where exactly the stink in the room is coming from. It’s definitely there.

      “Why would Bronny James be high on their board?”

      No doubt. He was answering a bait question of “Would the Indiana Pacers be interested in taking Bronny with their 36th pick?”
      I don’t think he would be interested in it. But the idea that he thinks that Bronny will be taken way earlier than 36 is interesting. He did go on to say “There’s one team in particular who I think is chasing him. But I won’t say who, I’ve been fined enough during the playoffs”

      I’m not gonna go and say that IS the Lakers, I’m not in his head and that’s a conspiracy, but it definitely seems like the most probable option to me.

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      • #1264445
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        Also as a complete aside I just want to mention that Jeanie Buss said she was excited that the Lakers drafted “the boy with three first names” when they drafted Jalen Hood-Schifino.
        https://x.com/SimonStilesNBA/status/1673367902735708160

        More utter speculation here, but I like to imagine that she was thinking of Josiah Jordan-James.
        Ah, the Lakers.

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  • #1264447
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    If LBJ had a kid brother and was at his peak then I could see his team drafting the brother or having him on the roster like Giannis’ older brother is at the Bucks. But LBJ is 40 years old this year he has possibly a couple of years max left in the NBA so unless he has agreed some sort of big salary reduction if they take Bronny.

    What if they get a new HC who doesn’t want Bronny would that have been a sticking point if Dan Hurley had said he’d have taken the job but he didn’t want Bronny on the roster.

    As regards Ulrich Chomche if the Celtics win one more match this season and he is still available at 30 I could see them taking him then. They will be the Champions so can take an upside swing and being around Al Horford for a year would be a great learning setting Chomche.

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    • #1264498
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      As far as LeBron– I’m not sure what other direction the Lakers have at the moment besides rebuilding. I am NOT convinced that continuing to tie their franchise to LeBron is the “correct” play, but I do think it’s the play they make.
      I would be upset if this alone was the PRIMARY factor in their decision, but LeBron sells jerseys/tickets/primetime TV spots and if they had Bronny I really do think every parent in LA is going to buy a “James” and “James Jr” jersey or something.
      Also I know father time is undefeated but LeBron is still pretty good, I wouldn’t be surprised if he still had a few years left. He isn’t enough to make that team competitive, but genuinely I’m not sure they’re getting there super fast without him either.

      I do personally happen to think that the idea he wants a 3 year max is a bit unreasonable in that context though. I wouldn’t be surprised if they both sort of make a loyalty compromise, but I am only defending a pure opinion. I have no clue.

      “What if they get a new HC who doesn’t want Bronny would that have been a sticking point if Dan Hurley had said he’d have taken the job but he didn’t want Bronny on the roster.”

      I truly do think that was (or at least could have been) a part of what happened with Hurley. I had initially mentioned the Hurley fiasco, but I don’t think there’s any hard proof so to me that’s just more speculation so I got rid of that part. But I think it sure does make sense!!!!

      I think the Celtics getting Chomche could be such a steal if he hits his potential. That could be so nasty and unfair. I kinda hope teams don’t let that happen now.

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    TEAM BY TEAM

    ATL – Alex Sarr(1)
    WAS – Zaccharie Risacher(2), AJ Johnson(26), Mohamed Diawara(51)
    HOU – Reed Sheppard(3) Ariel Hukporti(44)
    SAN – Stephon Castle(4), Donovan Clingan(8), Trentyn Flowers(35), Cam Spencer(48)
    DET – Tidjane Salaun(5), Antonio Reeves(53)
    CHA – Robert Dillingham(6), Kevin McCullar(42)
    POR – Ron Holland(7), Nikola Topic(14), Adem Bona(34), Ryan Dunn(40)
    MEM – Yves Missi(9), Bobi Klintman(39) Mouhamed Faye(57)
    UTA – Jared McCain(10), Johnny Furphy(29), Ja’Kobe Walter(32)
    CHI – Matas Buzelis(11)
    OKC – Zach Edey(12),
    SAC – Dalton Knecht(13), Tyler Kolek(45)
    MIA – Devin Carter(15), Oso Ighodoro(43)
    PHI – Cody Wililams(16), Malique Lewis(41)
    LAL – Kel’el Ware(17), Bronny James(55)
    ORL – Jaylon Tyson(18), KJ Simpson(47)
    TOR – Tyler Smith(19), Justin Edwards(31)
    CLE – Terrence Shannon, Jr.(20)
    NOP – DaRon Holmes(21)
    PHO – Bub Carrington(22)
    MIL – Kyshawn George(23), Ulrich Comche(33)
    NYK – Pacome Dadiet(24), Tristan Da Silva(25), Ajay Mitchell(38)
    MIN – Isaiah Collier(27), Nikola Djurisic(37)
    DEN – Kyle Filipowski(28) Bugoljub Markovic(56)
    BOS – Juan Nunez(30), Izan Almanza(54)
    IND – Baylor Scheierman(36), Isaiah Stevens(49), Tristan Newton(50)
    LAC – Jaedon LeDee(46)
    GSW – Harrison Ingram(52)
    DAL – Jalen Bridges(58)

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    • #1264455
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      No trades mock draft, somehow my other copy on this thread disappeared… anyways final one before the withdrawal deadline but more to come…

      ROUND 1

      1 – ATL – Alexandre Sarr – PF/C – France – 19.2
      2 – WAS – Zaccharie Risacher – F – France – 19.2
      3 – HOU – Reed Sheppard – G – Kentucky – 20.0
      4 – SAN – Stephon Castle – G – UConn – 19.7
      5 – DET – Tidjane Salaun – F – France – 18.9
      6 – CHA – Robert Dillingham – PG – Kentucky – 19.5
      7 – POR – Ron Holland – F – GLeague – 19.0
      8 – SAN – Donovan Clingan – C – UConn – 20.3
      9 – MEM – Yves Missi – C – Baylor – 20.1
      10 – UTA – Jared McCain – G – Duke – 20.4
      11 – CHI – Matas Buzelis – F – Gleague – 19.7
      12 – OKC – Zach Edey – C – Purdue – 21.1
      13 – SAC – Dalton Knecht – SG/SF – Tennessee – 23.2
      14 – POR – Nikola Topic – G – Serbia – 18.9
      15 – MIA – Devin Carter – G – Providence – 22.3
      16 – PHI – Cody Williams – SG/SF – Colorado – 19.6
      17 – LAL – Kel’el Ware – C – Indiana – 20.2
      18 – ORL – Jaylon Tyson – SG/SF – Cal – 21.6
      19 – TOR – Tyler Smith – PF/C – GLeague – 19.6
      20 – CLE – Terrence Shannon, Jr. – SG/SF – Illinois – 23.9
      21 – NOP – DaRon Holmes – PF/C – Dayton – 21.9
      22 – PHO – Bub Carrington – G – Pitt – 18.9
      23 – MIL – Kyshawn George – SG/SF – Miami(FL) – 20.6
      24 – NYK – Pacome Dadiet – SG/SF – Germany – 18.9
      25 – NYK – Tristan Da Silva – F – Colorado – 23.1
      26 – WAS – AJ Johnson – G – Australia – 19.6
      27 – MIN – Isaiah Collier – G – USC – 19.7
      28 – DEN – Kyle Filipowski – PF/C – Duke – 20.6
      29 – UTA – Johnny Furphy – F – Kansas – 19.6
      30 – BOS – Juan Nunez – PG – Spain – 20.0

      ROUND 2

      31 – TOR – Justin Edwards – SG/SF – Kentucky – 20.5
      32 – UTA – Ja’Kobe Walter – G – Baylor – 19.8
      33 – MIL – Ulrich Chomche – C – Cameroon – 18.4
      34 – POR – Adem Bona – C – UCLA – 21.2
      35 – SAN – Trentyn Flowers – F – Australia – 19.3
      36 – IND – Baylor Scheierman – G/SF – Creighton – 23.8
      37 – MIN – Nikola Djurisic – SG/SF – Serbia – 20.4
      38 – NYK – Ajay Mitchell – G – UC Santa Barbara – 21.9
      39 – MEM – Bobi Klintman – F – Australia – 21.2
      40 – POR – Ryan Dunn – F – Virginia – 21.4
      41 – PHI – Malique Lewis – F – GLeague – 19.7
      42 – CHA – Kevin McCullar, Jr. – SG/SF – Kansas – 23.2
      43 – MIA – Oso Ighodaro – F/C – Marquette – 22.0
      44 – HOU – Ariel Hukporti – C – Germany – 22.2
      45 – SAC – Tyler Kolek – G – Marquette – 21.4
      46 – LAC – Jaedon LeDee – PF/C- Sand Diego State – 24.1
      47 – ORL – KJ Simpson – G – Colorado – 21.8
      48 – SAN – Cam Spencer – G – UConn – 24.2
      49 – IND – Isaiah Stevens – G – Colorado State – 23.7
      50 – IND – Tristen Newton – G – UConn – 23.2
      51 – WAS – Mohamed Diawara – PF – France – 19.1
      52 – GSW – Harrison Ingram – F – UNC – 21.6
      53 – DET – Antonio Reeves – SG/SF – Kentucky – 23.6
      54 – BOS – Izan Almanza – PF/C – GLeague – 19.0
      55 – LAL – Bronny James – SG/SF – USC – 19.7
      56 – DEN – Bogoljub Markovic – PF/C – Serbia – 19.0
      57 – MEM – Mouhamed Faye – PF/C – Senegal – 19.6
      58 – DAL – Jalen Bridges – F – Baylor – 23.1

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      • #1264497
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        I dig it!! I wonder what to make of AJ Johnson, I heard he killed it at the Combine.
        I definitely don’t mean to be skeptical of him by mocking him so low (I forget, I might’ve even dropped him from this last mock), I just have no idea. I’ll watch some highlights every now and again but I’ll fully admit I don’t think I have an eye for scouting tape.
        I am a box score fanatic and someone who really digs advanced statistics, understanding that any ONE given statistic is limited and easy to misconstrue the meaning of but I think everything in tandem generally paints a solid overall picture (especially when counting game logs and trends).

        And AJ Johnson just doesn’t really have any stats so I have no idea how to evaluate him lol. It would be fun if he’s an electric sort of “hidden” gem though.

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      • #1264505
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        Seems like Mouhamed Faye, Malique Lewis, and Thierry Darlan also withdrew. Jeez, it’s kinda hard to find more info, I hope we get a complete list at some point.

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  • #1264459
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    Tidjane Salaun is a bit of a reach but if the 4 guys before him are off the board he makes sense. Would Reed be used as a 6th man and run the offence when FVV is not in the game or they could go 3 guard line up if chasing a game. Reed with FVV, Sengun, Green and Smith as a starter would make him 5th option which wouldn’t be ideal but when points are needed that line up could work.

    The Spurs choices look great and you get 3 UConn players in the same draft.

    Edey with Chet would give them size but they do need a big physical anchor for match ups against T-Wolves, Philly to name a couple. The twin towers may not play together all the time but when they do Edey can anchor the paint on defence to allow Chet to be a shot changer, blocker on the perimeter and it means other teams have to cope with a size match up issue on offence too.

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  • #1264478
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    I still put it out there what if another team decided to draft Bronny just before the Lakers 2nd round pick out of pure spite or to see what LBJ and MR Adele did?

    Say the Spurs took him at 48 and said you want to play with the kid come to our team?

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    • #1264479
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      I think that too, but LeBron isn’t going to live in San Antonio. I don’t see it. I can see maybe other teams doing that with a shot at LeBron though, but I wouldn’t put a lot on the list tbh. Cleveland is about the only city he would go to that’s not very exciting to him. That’s regardless of where Bronny gets a chance to play. I think he goes to LALA land.

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  • #1264499
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    Well, it looks like international deadline news is still slowly leaking in.

    But from what I see so far-
    According to HoopsRumors: Mohamed Diawara, Ruben Dominguez, and Noah Penda withdrew from this year’s draft.
    According to Eurohoops: Izan Almansa (!!!!!), Eli Ndiaye, Zaccharie Perrin, Ilias Kamardine, Luka Bogavac, Bogoljub Markovic, Timotej Malovec, Thijs de Ridder, and Andrija Jelavic withdrew from this year’s draft.

    I think there are a few of candidates here who drew some interest in mocks (Mohamed Diawara, Bogoljub Markovic, Andrija Jelavic) here that are noteworthy. I will certainly have to remove Ruben Dominguez in my own next mock.

    But Izan Almansa surprises me, that’s pretty huge. I haven’t seen any actual reports to confirm most of this news, including for Almansa but I have to think more information will be coming shortly!

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    • #1264506
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      Yeah, guess I looked at the same sources. Almost done revising another mock though – hahaha.

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  • #1264500
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    Izan Almansa is someone whose stock could go up a year from now. He is a little like Trayce Jackson-Davis in that he has showed an old school game, but a modern day athlete. It helped Jackson-Davis to transition well, and if has a strong second year could help Almansa’s case. I wonder where he goes for next season. The G-League is still an option, even post-Ignite. He, obviously, could go back to Spain or elsewhere in Europe. The Sarr route to the NBL after time at OTE is another possibility.

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