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- Posted on: Wed, 12/27/2023 - 8:38pm #1262298
NorrinRaddParticipantStill way too early, so I still am only taking everything with a grain of salt, but this is where I’m at a month later…
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Alexandre Sarr – PF/C – France
Stephon Castle – G – UConn
Nikola Topic – G – Serbia
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Ja’Kobe Walter – G – Baylor
Ron Holland – F – GLeague
Matas Buzelis – F – Gleague
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Zaccharie Risacher – F – France
Aaron Bradshaw – C – Kentucky
Donovan Clingan – C – UConn
Kel’el Ware – C – Indiana
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Cody Williams – G/SF – Colorado
Bub Carrington – G – Pitt
Isaiah Collier – G – USC
Tyrese Proctor – PG – Duke
Aday Mara – C – UCLA
Milan Momcilovic – F – Iowa State
Izan Almansa – PF/C – Spain
Melvin Ajinca – F – France
Tidjane Salaun – F – France
Zvonimir Ivisic – C – Kentucky
Pacome Dadiet – SG/SF – Germany
Yves Missi – C – Baylor
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Kobe Johnson – G/SF – USC
Baba Miller – F – Florida State
Oso Ighodaro – F – Marquette
Judah Mintz – G – Syracuse
Garwey Dual – G – Providence
Kwame Evans, Jr. – F – Indiana
Reed Sheppard – G – Kentucky
Justin Edwards – SG/SF – Kentucky
Robert Dillingham – PG – Kentucky
Scottie Middleton – SG/SF – Ohio State
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Juan Nunez – PG – Spain
Grant Nelson – PF/C – Alabama
Kyle Filipowski – C – Duke
Jared McCain – G – Duke
Thierry Darlan – G – GLeague
Riley Kugel – G – Florida
Trey Alexander – G – Creighton
AJ Johnson – G – Australia
Trentyn Flowers – G/F – Australia
Bronny James – SG/SF – USC
DJ Wagner – G – Kentucky
Berke Buyuktuncel – PF/C – UCLA
Dillon Mitchell – F – Texas
Mark Armstrong – PG – Villanova
DaRon Holmes – PF/C – Dayton
Trevon Brazile – C – Arkansas
Baye Fall – PF – Arkansas
Ryan Dunn – SG/F – Virginia
Ajay Mitchell – G – UC Santa Barbara
Johnell Davis – G – Florida Atlantic
Jaedon LeDee – PF/C- Sand Diego State
Keion Brooks, Jr. – SG/SF – Washington
Kam Jones – G – Marquette
Tristen Newton – G – UConn
Ryan Kalkbrenner – C – Creighton
Dalton Knecht – G/SF – Tennessee
Elmarko Jackson – G – Kansas
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Nachlan Olbrich – F/C – Australia
Dillon Jones – SG/F – Weber State
PJ Haggerty – G – Tulsa
Tucker DeVries – SG/SF – Drake
JJ Starling – G – Syracuse
Michael Ajayi – G – Pepperdine
Milos Uzan – G – Oklahoma
Kevin McCullar – SG/SF – Kansas
Xavier Booker – PF/C – Michigan State
Coen Carr – SG/F – Michigan State
Reece Beekman – G – Virginia
Jarin Stevenson – F – Alabama
Ariel Hukporti – C – Germany
Zach Edey – C – Purdue
Tyler Smith – PF/C – GLeague
Babacar Sane – F – GLeague
Omaha Biliew – PF/C – Iowa State
Aidan Mahaney – G – St. Mary’s
Caleb Foster – G – Duke
Andrej Stojakovic – SG/SF – Stanford
Bobi Klintman – F – Australia
Dailyn Swain – – Xavier
KJ Lewis – F – Arizona
Carey Booth – PF/C – Notre Dame
Deshawn Harris-Smith – SG – Maryland
Dennis Evans – C – Louisville
Tyon Grant-Foster – SG/SF – Grand Canyon
Desmond Claude – SG/SF – Xavier
Tristan Da Silva – F – Colorado
Alex Karaban – PF – UConn
Adama Bal – G/SF – Santa Clara
Tyler Kolek – G – Marquette
Javian McCollum – G – Oklahoma
Jaxson Robinson – SG/SF – BYU
Zacharie Perrin – F – Illinois
Lucas Ugoin – SG -France
Alex Toohey – SG/SF – Australia
Ruben Prey – – Portugal
Ulrich Chomche – C – Cameroon
Malik Reneau – F – Indiana
Makenzie Mgbako – PF/C – Indiana
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Elliot Cadeau – – UNC
Hunter Sallis – G – Wake Forest
Johnny Furphy – F – Kansas
Payton Sandfort – F – Iowa
Sean Stewart – PF – Duke
Roddy Gayle, Jr. – SG – Ohio State
Jalen Bridges – PF/C – Baylor
Jamir Watkins – SG/SF – Florida State
Harrison Ingram – F – UNC
Matthew Cleveland – F – Miami(FL)
Wade Taylor IV – G – Texas A&M
Micah Handlogten – C – Florida
Walter Clayton, Jr. – G – Florida
Bryce Hopkins – F – Providence
Devin Carter – G – Providence
Zhuric Phelps – SG – SMU
Antonio Reeves – SG/SF – Kentucky
Babacar Sane – SF – GLeague
Quinten Post – C – Boston College
Erik Reynolds II – G – St. Joseph’s
Bruce Thornton – G – Ohio State
Joel Soriano – C – St. John’s
Milos Uzan – G – Oklahoma
Otega Oweh – SG/SF – Oklahoma
Jaedon Ledee – PF/C – San Diego State
AJ Storr – SG/SF – Wisconsin
Jan Vide – SG/SF – UCLA
Jackson Shelstad – PG – Oregon
Jaylon Tyson – SF – Cal
Zeke Mayo – G – South Dakota State
Kylan Boswell – G – Arizona
Adem Bona – C – UCLA
Alijah Martin – SG – Florida Atlantic
Terrence Shannon, Jr. – SG/SF – Illinois
Taran Armstrong – PG – Australia
Tyler Burton – F – Villanova
Great Osobor – PF/C Utah State
Isaiah Stevens – G – Colorado State
Tramon Mark – SG/SF – Arkansas
Branden Carlson – PF/C – Utah
Aaron Estrada – G – Alabama
RayJ Dennis – G – Baylor
PJ Hall – PF/C – Clemson
Clarence Daniels – SG/SF – New Hampshire
Baylor Scheierman – G/SF – Creighton
Nikola Djurisic – G/SF – Serbia
Coleman Hawkins – PF/C – Illinois
Caleb Love – G – Arizona
Jamal Shead – G – Houston
LJ Cryer – G – Houston
Allen Flanigan – SG/SF – Ole’ Miss
Eric Gaines – G – UAB
Nolan Hickman – G – Gonzaga
Micah Peavy – SG/SF – TCU
Jaylen Forbes – SG – Tulane
Jesse Edwards – C – West Virginia
Nate Bittle – C – Oregon
Layden Blocker – PG – Arkansas
Adou Thiero – F – Kentucky
Tyler Harris – SG/SF – Portland
Kyshawn George – SF – Miami(FL)
RJ Luis – SG/SF – St. John’s
Blake Buchanan – PF/C Virginia
Aden Holloway – PG – Auburn
Rasheer Fleming – PF – St. Joseph’s
Jahmir Young – PG – Maryland
Terrance Arceneaux – SG/SF – HoustonWould love to see what others’ big boards are on this site. Feel free to post yours or even comment on mine if you like…
0 - Posted on: Thu, 12/28/2023 - 8:15pm #1262302
NorrinRaddParticipantOops, for some reason I never switched Kwame Evans, Jr.’s school to Oregon… but you get the picture. Killer defender is a possible riser.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 12/28/2023 - 9:16pm #1262303
OhCanada-ParticipantI havent watched any basketball this year on any level aside from a few NBA games. What can you tell me about this years class?
0- Posted on: Fri, 12/29/2023 - 2:38am #1262309
NorrinRaddParticipantYeah, underwhelming class. No clear cut stand out prospects. Probably a solid top 30ish class but not great. Put it this way, I’m betting on an injure plagued player to be in my top tier at least so far from a combination of his HS video and early production before getting hurt again. Could be another Nick Smith situation for all I know. Feels a bit weird this year. I haven’t watched as much college as last year, but overall it’s because I’ve been watching more NBA too unlike last year. Wemby brought some excitement to the league.
Guys to watch in the draft this year are playing more internationally imo. Topic’ is a good guy to look out for. Lots of the prospects in this class will probably be drafted for “fit” aka specialty players. Otherwise, yeah BTPH broke down a grit of the college class pretty well.0
- Posted on: Fri, 12/29/2023 - 1:43am #1262308
BothTeamsPlayedHard-ParticipantThe NCAA first-year eligible class is underwhelming. Some are in lesser roles (Stephon Castle, Caleb Foster, Aday Mara, Garwey Dual, Elmarko Jackson, Elliot Cadeau, and Mackenzie Mgbako). Some are either on the fringe of or outside the rotation (Omaha Beliew and Xavier Booker). The Kentucky team seems to live off the reputation that their guys are all NBA bound, but Justin Edwards gives off huge Cam Reddish vibes. He looks the part, but most nights is not helpful. Zvonimir Ivisic has not seen the court due to eligibility questions. Aaron Bradshaw has played four games. He had a nice game against Penn. The returnees to Duke, Proctor and Filipowski, didn’t take the developmental step one would have hoped. Their freshmen don’t play meaningful roles. Oh, and the team has been underwhelming.
Ja’Kobe Walter of Baylor has not had an especially difficult slate of opponents so far, but has had a nice season. He is a two-way 6’5″ wing who can shoot. Would he be a nice player to have? Yes. If you are a Piston, Blazer, Wizard, or Spur fan, is he the kind of guy you think can help turn their franchise around? No. His teammate Yves Missi looks the part, but is really raw. I think a team would take him if he enters, but they wouldn’t be able to use him because of how raw he is. He is the kind of lottery pick where the Wizards present him with a Go-Go jersey on draft night. Isaiah Collier is playing a lot, and for the most part well, for a really underachieving USC team. He feels like a throwback to the kind of point guards who played when there was handchecking. He is a big power point guard who plays below the rim. It makes me wonder about him. It does not feel ideal in a league where teams might just put a wing on him and make him deal with the length. I watched Bill Walton’s broadcast of the Oregon-USC game, and kind of agreed with the sentiment of Walton that Jackson Shelstad was the freshman stealing the show. The only problem there is Shelstad is 6’0″ and that is a limiting factor when thinking about the draft. Kwame Evans has been able to get more minutes with N’Faly Dante and Nate Bittle out, but even in a game where he was feeling it offensively, he was giving up a ton on defense. USC could have won that game had they just attacked the basket, but fell behind big early on because they thought they could outshoot them. On offense and the glass, he reminds you of Jaren Jackson Jr, but not on the defensive end, which is probably not what you wanted.
I also think the breakout of PJ Hall is flying so far under the radar it hurts my head. Everything people think Kyle Filipowski can be as an NBA prospect PJ Hall is. He is 6’10” and can score from all three levels. I think Clemson is the best team in the ACC, and he is a big reason why. In the past, he hasn’t always been healthy. If he stays healthy, and the doctors give the thumbs up in the predraft process, he is lottery talent for this draft. I have really started to believe that there is a chance the majority of the lottery comes from outside of college basketball, but I think he is a name that should emerge in the coming months. Also, if I am right about Hall and Clemson in total, then the other guy on their team who could gather draft steam would be sophomore Chauncey Wiggins (and the NBA has gone without a Chauncey for too long). He is long 6’10” wing, athletic, and has really emerged as a major player for the Tigers over the past five games. In those games, he is playing 28 minutes per, 13 PPG, 40% from three on 5 attempts per. It is definitely too early on him, but I am bullish on that team this year so I might as well be early.
I think there are a number of older 3-and-D wing candidates who should be able to be players to watch. David Jones of Memphis is probably a first team All-American player if there wasn’t a bias towards the big conference players. Memphis has He is a 6’6″ wing who really shoot it, sets the tone for the best team Penny Hardaway has had at Memphis. The Tigers have wins at Missouri and Texas A&M, Michigan, Arkansas, VCU, Virginia, and Vanderbilt. The American might not be a big league without Houston and Cincy, but Memphis has beaten good teams. College basketball does not have ten teams with their body of work or quality of roster. Blake Hinson of Pitt had a health issue that kept him out of two years, so he is an older prospect. He is, however, 6’7″ with good athleticism and can stroke it from deep. If he doesn’t get drafted, I expect that he will walk away from draft night with a two-way, though I would take him. Harrison Ingram seems much more at ease in his role at UNC than he was at Stanford. Kevin McCullar is shooting 40% from three, but it still feels as though opponents are completely comfortable with him shooting them. Maybe that changes over the course of the season, but it gives me pause to get too high on him.
1+ - Posted on: Fri, 12/29/2023 - 3:54am #1262310
HitsterParticipantI think your board levels are spot on as always Norrin and great points as always from BTPH.
I’ve always been a big Aday Mara fan but he isn’t doing much at UCLA. Clingan is now out injured but he’ll still always have his size when he declares. So could one of these be next year’s Dereck Lively who didn’t do much in college but has already become an NBA starter.
At the moment I’d have to have Sarr and Topic as my top two choices with Matas Buzelis next.
A lot of teams who will be drafting high already have had recent high picks but when teams can count their wins on one hand I do think it has to be BPA. But for the likes of Detroit there is no clear cut franchise changer, the Spurs are also struggling but they do have Wemby already so have the key cornerstone in place.
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