[HobbyOGParticipant]

 Just read, G.Hill, Nash, Kidd and Mo Cheeks will be selected in the HOF this year. The "basketball HOF" includes college accolades, international work etc. Grant Hill won two national championships in college and injured most of his NBA career, but showed great flashes. So do you think he belongs in the HOF? 

[whiteflashParticipant]

 Without question. Know that a lot of the posters here are fairly young so either never saw or don’t remember, but Grant Hill was the best SF and one of the 10-15 best players in the league the second he stepped on the floor. He was also handpicked to be the face of the league in Jordan’s absence and 100% lived up to it. Even though his peak was cut short due to injuries, he was still the best SF of the 90’s and would’ve been one of the 3 best SF’s of all time. It’s not even up for debate in my eyes.

[cohenbc1Participant]

I would disagree that he was ever the best SF in the NBA, considering his best and healthiest years were during Scottie Pippen’s peak. 

Sadly his NBA career was cut short (though he did make a nice comeback in his late 30s as a early "3 and D" guy with the Suns). He’s nowhere close to a HoFamer based on what he did in the pros.

However, he’s maybe one of the top five college players of the last 30 years. I don’t mind him getting in on that basis. 

 

 

 

 

[whiteflashParticipant]

 During their split tenure, Hill averaged more points, assists, rebounds, shot a better percentage from the field and had similar defensive numbers. He was also the focal point of every other team’s defense, and KILLED Pippen in head-to-head matchups, and Pippen had the luxury of riding Jordan’s coattails and looked pretty average everywhere else he played. I’m assuming you’re too young to have seen them play, but Hill was light years ahead of Pippen.

[ConsiderableUpsideParticipant]

 Grant Hill was amazing and absolutely belongs in the HOF, but "light years" ahead of Pippen?? Calm down sir, and no I’m not too young to know.  That is simply not true, and your arguments are flawed.

[whiteflashParticipant]

 Instead of writing that my "arguments are flawed", why not provide a counterpoint? My "arguments" are actually pretty spot-on, and Pippen was maybe the most overrated dude of his generation. 

[ConsiderableUpsideParticipant]

Honestly, your condescending attitude is hard to take so I decided not to engage in a debate.  Anyone who describes their own speculative opinions as "spot on" isn’t ready for an objective conversation.  Furthermore no reasonable person opines that Grant Hill is light years ahead of Scottie Pippen with complete certainty, like the subject is the color of the sky.  I shouldn’t have commented though if I wasn’t prepared to back up my statements with evidence.  Poor job on my part, but explaining further would be pointless.

 

 

 

[whiteflashParticipant]

 Tone is hard to convey through text, and I wasn’t trying to be condescending. The "light years" thing was said with intentional hyperbole, though I do believe that Hill was much better than Pippen, even though his window was fairly short and we never got to see his peak. I’d honestly like to have an objective "discussion" on it, as I’d like to hear (or read) a logical argument as to why Pippen and Hill are comparable. 

[KingPapasParticipant]

I never recalled Grant Hill being  that much better then Pippen. He actually carried the Bulls into the playoffs witha top seed with a weak Bulls team that was horrible and aging when  Jordan retired to play baseball. That is further then any team Grant Hill ever lead. Its easy to forget how great Pippen was playing in Jordan’s shadow but he was indeed GREAT. 

Hill was great in his own right but it is deifnetly debatable. 

 

 

[whiteflashParticipant]

 That Bulls team was exactly the same minus Jordan and plus Ron Harper, and he didn’t "carry them". He also threw a hissy fit and sat himself when Jackson drew a play for Kukoc to take the last shot, which Kukoc nailed. 

Again, Hill averaged more points, assists and rebounds with similar defensive numbers and destroyed Pippen in their head-to-head matchups. 

[KingPapasParticipant]

Exactly the same minus Jordan? That is saying a lot about Pippen in a leading role.

Also, when the Bulls went on their 2nd three peat majority of those players were gone for younger and better players. because they were on the decline.

[whiteflashParticipant]

 How? He took a team that had been to 3 straight Finals (albeit now without the best player in the game), added a Euro stud and got knocked out early in the playoffs. You’re right, that does say a lot about him.

[KingPapasParticipant]

Who was on both teams after Jordan retired that was present when the Bulls manage to wins its next Championship?
Luc Longley and Bill Wennington that is some turn around for a team that was only 2 years removed from winning a championship in 1993. What Pippen did is almost the equivalent of what LeBron is doing with Cleveland now but he has had Love for stretches this season.

[whiteflashParticipant]

 What are you talking about? That team still had Grant, Armstrong, all of their bigs and added Kukoc, Kerr, etc… and got bounced in the 2nd round. Comparing Pippen and James is ridiculous. 

[RUDEBOY-Participant]

Why r they making C Webb & Ray Allen Wait?   Hill was an all star 7 times, leading vote getter a couple of those years. 5 all nba teams. Also made Olympic team.He accomplished alot individually in a short time span. Based on his college career dude was a 2 time champion and he’s inducted in the College Hall of Fame. So if Grant Hill made it ,Penny Hardaway whose nba stats & accomplishments r similar. Penny’s chances looks promising now. Some online r Surprised Mo Cheeks made it. His stats might not scream Hall of Famer only 11 pts 6 assists. But he was solid & dependable for so long.  And the glue to those 76ers squad of the late 70s early 80s. 

[HobbyOGParticipant]

 Mo Cheeks owned the record for steals in a career until it was broken, one of the best defensive players of his time. You can’t compare Grant Hill to Penny Hardaway, Grant won two championships in college. Made more all-stars and all-NBA and played more years. Only way Penny makes HOF is from coaching! And he has a long way to go. 

[RUDEBOY-Participant]

 Penny has 4 All NBA Team 1st Selections compared to Hill’s 1. 

[RUDEBOY-Participant]

 Correction! Penny was a 4 time All Star,made 2 all nba 1st teams and one 3rd team. 

[rfarrell85Participant]

It’s close but I’d say yes. What puts him over the top is his Duke years: 2 titles and 2 first team All-Americas. The Olympic gold doesn’t hurt.

Voters won’t admit it, but I wonder how many took into consideration his possible NBA career if there were no injuries and also that he is considered one of the class guys of the league.

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 Chris Webber deserves to be in by now no question. His overall nba career was better than hills and you could argue that his college career was just as impactful. Those fab five teams were revolutionary and Webber was clearly the main attraction, even if the NCAA has decided that they never existed. 

If T-Mac is a first ballot HOF than Ray Allen should be as well imo. He might have never reached T-Mac’s level at his absolute peak but he sustained a high level for much longer, was much more durable, and ultimately accomplished more in his career.

Mo cheeks should not be in imo. Solid player during his prime but was never one of the truly elite players in the league. Seems like he just gets the benefit of the doubt for being on the ballot for so long. Tim hardaway is more HOF worthy imo.

As for hill, I’m kind of on the fence. He’s probably not someone I would say should be a first ballot guy but I agree he probably deserved to get in eventually. He really was one of the best in the league from 1995-2000 and he actually showed remarkable perseverance by completely rebuilding his game after the injuries and becoming a valuable role player. I’m just not sure his peak was long enough to say he’s a first ballot guy.

 

 

 

[BeastMode716Participant]

 Hill’s career at Duke & in the NBA make him a def HOF player IMO

Injuries ate up a lot of Hill’s prime but this man was a great player from the 1st day he set foot on an NBA court – Remarkable talent 

Hill was given Terrible medical advice from NBA teams & paid a heavy price but Hill ALWAYS worked his Tail off in Inujury Rehab (and this guy went thru Hell for a LONG time) but Hill Always worked hard & got back on the court – I Never penalize players for injuuries within reason – when G. Hill did play he was Remarkable 

Grant Hill is a player – like Larry Johnson – who was an absolute Freak in terms of athleticism, strength, quickness & size who was Robbed of his Gift b/c of injury but Still put together a Hall of Fame career on probably 60% of what he Would have become 

Also big time Congrats to Steve Nash & Jason Kidd – 2 All Time Greats at the PG position & I am So glan Another All Time Great point guard – Moe Cheeks is Finally being recognized as the pivotal Leader & Floor General of one of the Great NBA Powerhouse teams of ALL Time – the Phila 76ers of the Early 80’s that featured Julius "Dr. J" Erving, Moses Malone, Bobby Jones, Andrew "Boston Strangler" Toney & all time great coach & hall of fame player Billy Cunningham 

All 4 men are Very deserving & I am happy for them & their families 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[tennislegendParticipant]

 yeah penny hardawy only had 3 or 4 good years grant hill had 6 great years a multiple good years and ended up after 18 years averaging close to 20 a game overall. I would be hesitent to put him in, but Connie Hawkins, David Thompson and Maurice Stokes who only played 3 years and was great for all 3 is in 

[holefillers1Participant]

 He had 6 HOF seasons.  IMO you need at least 8.  He is being rewarded for what he could have been.  No Cheeks is not a HOFer either.  

[tennislegendParticipant]

 The Hall of Fame has a history of putting players in who were top 5 in the league for short times so I believe he deserves to be in by what the standards have always been and the way they should be. He had top 25 alltime talent he just showed it for a shorter time then he would have with better health its a shame. Holcombe Rucker still needs to go in too

[tennislegendParticipant]

 so are you saying after 6 years Michael Jordan wasn’t already good enough for the hall of fame?

[holefillers1Participant]

 Are you saying Grant Hill was better than MJ?

[tennislegendParticipant]

 no absolutely not! what I am saying is it is possible to be good enough to even without a long career be a hall of famer you said a player should have 8 great years I was just asking you a question thanks for the speedy reply

[tennislegendParticipant]

 Bob Huggins, Bobby Dandridge, and Charlie Scott should also get in

[HitsterParticipant]

 Grant was a 7 time All Star would have been nearer a dozen if he had stayed sound during his peak years. One All NBA First Team, 4 All Second Teams, two NCAA titles. Olympic Gold. He is also regarded as one of the highest character guys and highest basket ball IQs to have ever played the game.

T-Mac went in, so I see no reason why Grant shouldn’t.

Apart from his injuries for a star player, he possibly wasn’t as prolific a scorer as others were but his all round game was off the charts.

It was almost a pity he never declared earlier for the NBA and possibly got a couple more seasons in after he’d won a couple of titles with Duke.

 

 

 

[holefillers1Participant]

 He had five all stars to two pity vote ins.  One year he played 4 games. The other was for not getting hurt again.

[Tune SquadParticipant]

There was a topic regarding future nominees a while back and I said that both Hill and Penny should get in based on talent, popularity, sportsmanship and most importantly peak performance. They were both simply so much darn fun to watch and both ended up playing quite lengthy careers even though injuries robbed them of better numbers.

As for Pippen: Anyone who actually watched basketball back in the 90’s can also appreciate how good he was. He won the all-star game MVP the year Jordan was out, leading the Bulls in pts, stls, assts and a 55-27 regular season record and in the playoffs additionally lead the team in rebounding as well. There is no I in team as they say and for sure anyone who played with MJ had the benefit of playing with the most devastingly clutch and GOAT but it was also well documented that the two practiced with each other and help push each other in the gym to get better and better. He also played for the original Dream Team.

 

 

 

 

 

[Ahkasi ClayParticipant]

 Pippen was better than kobe.

[mamadouParticipant]

Absolutely deserving, i’m biased AF, from the sprite to the pistons"gay" jersey to the fila, i did it all.

He was still so good as a 38yo for my suns, it was even more frustrating for the 7 years in orlando, missing 372 games, could have been a  22K- 8K- 6K for his career, a thing a handful of players did or will do for their careers.

Injury riddled career and still 2 time ncaa champ, OG gold, ROY, 7 time all star, 5 times all nba, 3 times sportsmanship.

Hill was the leader in all star votes as a rookie, leader in all star votes in 1996 in front of MJ and Shaq, 2nd  overall behind Jordan the next 2 years, in 2001 with 4 games played he was still voted as a starter.

He was that kind of player, fan favorite, superstar, class act, hall of famer…but he’s boring with the mic tho..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[mcbaileyParticipant]

Hill probably deserve it, and McGrady did too. But knowing they deserved it makes an omission like Sidney Moncrief all the more perplexing. 

[HitsterParticipant]

 Sidney Moncrief is certainly a guy who must be knocking at the HOF door like C-Webb. I think Webber certainly deserves to be in but is that Michigan scandal still hang over him.

[tennislegendParticipant]

It is nice to see Charlie Scott is finally being inducted into the hall of fame

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