[clw5382Participant]

Hi guys,

I have been reading recently about Brandon’s lack of explosive athleticism and in fact on Draft express they do a video comparison between him and Durant and make the statement that KD had more lift off of one foot and was more explosive. The problem I have with this is Brandon has twice been filmed (July and September last year) doing the vertical test and touching the tester at the same height as the top of the backboard (13ft) Durant at the combine was recorded as having a 33 inch vert with a very slow 3.45 sprint test, actually post the combine he was being critiscised and there were questions about if these marks would drop his stock. Brandon has a 9-1.5 standing reach, for arguments sake (worst case scenario) lets just say the vert test he did was ‘only’ 12.5 feet high, that would still give him a 40 inch vert (best case at 13 ft would be 46.5) worst case is more than half a foot better than KD. The numbers dont lie. It seems to me that talent evaluators are too careful to make an up and coming prospect seem better than proven transcedent talents and dont want to get criticised for it.

Link to Brandon Ingram vert test:https://youtu.be/0PP9dj377I0

The video states Brandon’s vert at 44 inches. 

Thoughts?

 

[Hype Machine]

Haha 46.5 inches. If his standing vertical is even above even 38" at the combine, I’ll buy everyone on this forum a pizza.

Look at the video where hes jumping above the backboard with a 2 step run up. The bottom of his feet are below the testers groin. Assuming that man is 6ft tall since hes clearly shorter than Ingram, his 2 step vert is closer to 32-34inches.

 

That backboard is lowered. Its one of those ones in gyms on poles that needs to extend out.

 

And theres a difference between standing vertical and max vertical.

 

Sheeeeet I got a laugh out of this

 

[Hype Machine]

Haha 46.5 inches. If his standing vertical is even above even 38" at the combine, I’ll buy everyone on this forum a pizza.

Look at the video where hes jumping above the backboard with a 2 step run up. The bottom of his feet are below the testers groin. Assuming that man is 6ft tall since hes clearly shorter than Ingram, his 2 step vert is closer to 32-34inches.

 

That backboard is lowered. Its one of those ones in gyms on poles that needs to extend out.

 

And theres a difference between standing vertical and max vertical.

 

Sheeeeet I got a laugh out of this

 

[SeattleSuperChronicsParticipant]

 Mmm pizza 

[SeattleSuperChronicsParticipant]

 Mmm pizza 

[ZachAttackParticipant]

 Now I’ll be watching the combine… It’s gonna cost a lot to ship the pizza from Aussie Hype.

[ZachAttackParticipant]

 Now I’ll be watching the combine… It’s gonna cost a lot to ship the pizza from Aussie Hype.

[Hype Machine]

 If Brandon Ingrams no-step vert is 38 inches, I’ll add a side of Garlic bread and Coke too.

Thats 5.5 inches more than Aaron Gordons…and equal to his max running vert.

You peeps need to check what your favourite players tested at the official NBA combine. DX has it all. Some of the numbers getting thrown around are perhaps (definitely) slightly impossible.

 

 

[Hype Machine]

 If Brandon Ingrams no-step vert is 38 inches, I’ll add a side of Garlic bread and Coke too.

Thats 5.5 inches more than Aaron Gordons…and equal to his max running vert.

You peeps need to check what your favourite players tested at the official NBA combine. DX has it all. Some of the numbers getting thrown around are perhaps (definitely) slightly impossible.

 

 

[TarHeelRavenParticipant]

 Ingram is a good athlete.  He is not an elite athlete.  He had a couple of nice dunks this year but not anything that made you jump out of your seat.  Is he on the level of elite 3’s in the NBA like Lebron and Paul George??  Of course not.  I think he has average athleticism by NBA standards.  He will not wow you with his quickness, jumping or speed.  What will make him a good player in the league is his skillset.  His shooting and ball handling for his size are elite.  Brandon will not be dunking on people on a nightly basis in the NBA I can pretty much guarantee that.  

[TarHeelRavenParticipant]

 Ingram is a good athlete.  He is not an elite athlete.  He had a couple of nice dunks this year but not anything that made you jump out of your seat.  Is he on the level of elite 3’s in the NBA like Lebron and Paul George??  Of course not.  I think he has average athleticism by NBA standards.  He will not wow you with his quickness, jumping or speed.  What will make him a good player in the league is his skillset.  His shooting and ball handling for his size are elite.  Brandon will not be dunking on people on a nightly basis in the NBA I can pretty much guarantee that.  

[clw5382Participant]

I get your points, however the point I was making was more about Brandon vs Kevin as athletes.. I don’t see Brandon as an explosive athlete- he obviously lacks strength which impacts his first step and overall explosiveness, but his vertical leap is legit and I think it’s better than KD’s. 

[clw5382Participant]

I get your points, however the point I was making was more about Brandon vs Kevin as athletes.. I don’t see Brandon as an explosive athlete- he obviously lacks strength which impacts his first step and overall explosiveness, but his vertical leap is legit and I think it’s better than KD’s. 

[holefillers1Participant]

 He needs more strength. He is already long enough to cover up any vertical deficiencies.

[holefillers1Participant]

 He needs more strength. He is already long enough to cover up any vertical deficiencies.

[MopgrassParticipant]

 The only reason you don’t see him dunking on people is because he weighs 10 pounds. That’ll change. Hype Machine: I don’t know where you got your math degree, but you should look into a refund. If he touches the  backboard in two steps, there’s zero chance his vertical with no steps is 32". If I was to guess, I’d say his standing vertical would be 38-40". On the drive, he usually uses his jumping ability to lunge forward toward the basket. He needs some pounds and some fierceness. He’ll end up with at least one of those and then he’ll be very dangerous. 

[MopgrassParticipant]

 The only reason you don’t see him dunking on people is because he weighs 10 pounds. That’ll change. Hype Machine: I don’t know where you got your math degree, but you should look into a refund. If he touches the  backboard in two steps, there’s zero chance his vertical with no steps is 32". If I was to guess, I’d say his standing vertical would be 38-40". On the drive, he usually uses his jumping ability to lunge forward toward the basket. He needs some pounds and some fierceness. He’ll end up with at least one of those and then he’ll be very dangerous. 

[Hype Machine]

 Lol 40inch Max Vert is higher than Aaron Gordon’s and only 1 inch short of Zach Lavine.

32 inches is around what those guys got in standing vertical. A 38inch standing vert. For Ingram (the one that costs me pizza) is simply not possible.

Where are you guys getting these superhuman numbers for Brandon Ingram?

Pat Connaughton got the 2nd all time highest at the Draft Combine with a 44inch max vert last year, which is what the OP stated in his vid.

How am I the only one who is baffled by this. 

 

 

 

 

[Hype Machine]

 Lol 40inch Max Vert is higher than Aaron Gordon’s and only 1 inch short of Zach Lavine.

32 inches is around what those guys got in standing vertical. A 38inch standing vert. For Ingram (the one that costs me pizza) is simply not possible.

Where are you guys getting these superhuman numbers for Brandon Ingram?

Pat Connaughton got the 2nd all time highest at the Draft Combine with a 44inch max vert last year, which is what the OP stated in his vid.

How am I the only one who is baffled by this. 

 

 

 

 

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 His vertical ability is no problem.  He’s long and even if he only had a 34 inch vertical it wouldn’t be an issue.  I think he definitely jumps in between 36 and 40 off the one foot videos.

If you should question any part of his athleticism it is his lateral quickness.  I’ve been saying for months that he isn’t incredibly quick.  He can make up for that with good footwork and long strides.  But he definitely is not the athlete KD is in my opinion.  Not to say he won’t be a good player,  but I think in the long run his greatest mismatch will be at the 4.  But I guess that statement is becoming less relevant due to more and more 3s playing the 4 for longer stretches.

 

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 His vertical ability is no problem.  He’s long and even if he only had a 34 inch vertical it wouldn’t be an issue.  I think he definitely jumps in between 36 and 40 off the one foot videos.

If you should question any part of his athleticism it is his lateral quickness.  I’ve been saying for months that he isn’t incredibly quick.  He can make up for that with good footwork and long strides.  But he definitely is not the athlete KD is in my opinion.  Not to say he won’t be a good player,  but I think in the long run his greatest mismatch will be at the 4.  But I guess that statement is becoming less relevant due to more and more 3s playing the 4 for longer stretches.

 

[JoeWolf1]

The top of the tester is 12′ the top of the backboard is 13′

They’re able to raise and lower the top of the vertical tester, but generally it’s set at 12′

That riser thing is probably a perspective trick, the top of his head isn’t quite at the rim, and he’s 6’11”. That would make me think his vert around 36”

[JoeWolf1]

The top of the tester is 12′ the top of the backboard is 13′

They’re able to raise and lower the top of the vertical tester, but generally it’s set at 12′

That riser thing is probably a perspective trick, the top of his head isn’t quite at the rim, and he’s 6’11”. That would make me think his vert around 36”

[DukeDaSquadParticipant]

 Hes definitely not 6’11". I agree with the perspective part. That vert jump wouldn’t look so impressive from another angle

[JoeWolf1]

True, I guess he was 6’9.5” in shoes at the Hoop Summit last year.

[JoeWolf1]

True, I guess he was 6’9.5” in shoes at the Hoop Summit last year.

[DukeDaSquadParticipant]

 Hes definitely not 6’11". I agree with the perspective part. That vert jump wouldn’t look so impressive from another angle

[lalailaParticipant]

 First of all, Kevin Durant from texas and KD from OKC are two different athletes.. Like someone mentioned Ingram needs strength and maturity to show his full athletic abilities in game. Durant got so much lighter and stronger on his feet. I can see it with Brandon

[lalailaParticipant]

 First of all, Kevin Durant from texas and KD from OKC are two different athletes.. Like someone mentioned Ingram needs strength and maturity to show his full athletic abilities in game. Durant got so much lighter and stronger on his feet. I can see it with Brandon

[I am an idiotParticipant]

 With extra cheese

[I am an idiotParticipant]

 With extra cheese

[For_Never_EverParticipant]

 I watched video’s of KD in college, and compared the two athletically not too long ago. Well because T-Rex kept saying he is a more athletic Kevin Durant. KD was quicker and more fluid at the same stage/age.

[For_Never_EverParticipant]

 I watched video’s of KD in college, and compared the two athletically not too long ago. Well because T-Rex kept saying he is a more athletic Kevin Durant. KD was quicker and more fluid at the same stage/age.

[NBAjunkie81Participant]

 And I felt that the Tone of the piece was One of Surprise on the part of the Draft Express Scout b/c Ingram & Durant where Actually much closure in measurables than the scout had realized……

Yes, he admitted, Ingram lagged slightly behind Durant in Raw explosiveness & scoring potential…… But the guy still Luved Ingram at that #2 slot…….. It felt look more of a reflection on the League…… which has settled into a perimeter defensive Zone struggle………… that lessens the importance of Explosiveness & heightens the Importance of Shooting range……..

I’m Not stating My Opinion on the Subject….. merely repeating what the Author wrote….. & he did make a reasonable argument…… but by no means did he ever claim Ingram was the "next KD" …….. but he also did not see a Problem w/ that……..

[NBAjunkie81Participant]

 And I felt that the Tone of the piece was One of Surprise on the part of the Draft Express Scout b/c Ingram & Durant where Actually much closure in measurables than the scout had realized……

Yes, he admitted, Ingram lagged slightly behind Durant in Raw explosiveness & scoring potential…… But the guy still Luved Ingram at that #2 slot…….. It felt look more of a reflection on the League…… which has settled into a perimeter defensive Zone struggle………… that lessens the importance of Explosiveness & heightens the Importance of Shooting range……..

I’m Not stating My Opinion on the Subject….. merely repeating what the Author wrote….. & he did make a reasonable argument…… but by no means did he ever claim Ingram was the "next KD" …….. but he also did not see a Problem w/ that……..

[airenn34Participant]

 Not saying Ingram will never turn into KD but he looks closer to Tayshaun Prince. Look at how they move. Ingram doesnt have KDs fluidity. 

[airenn34Participant]

 Not saying Ingram will never turn into KD but he looks closer to Tayshaun Prince. Look at how they move. Ingram doesnt have KDs fluidity. 

[clw5382Participant]

To be clear, I don’t think Ingram will be as good as KD, I just think he is more athletic. Even if the tester is 12ft high his vertical is better than KD’s at the combine. 

[clw5382Participant]

To be clear, I don’t think Ingram will be as good as KD, I just think he is more athletic. Even if the tester is 12ft high his vertical is better than KD’s at the combine. 

[iguapops420Participant]

 Everyone becomes a better athlete once they hit the L. Durant/Giannis/ and Draymond to a lesser extent are prime examples. Giannis wasn’t a freak athlete coming into the league. Less than impressive first step. What he had though, were long strides and impressive length. Now? He’s the best athlete on the Bucks by FAR and one of the better athletes in the L. Ingram has the physical tools. Just need NBA level training and I’d expect him to at least be on the level of a Nic Batum. It’s not like he’s Austin Daye or something. 46 inch very though, very doubtful. Just has great length with good leaping. But his first step and lateral quickness will be the defining traits for him along with being able to add weight while developing g his athleticism.

[iguapops420Participant]

 Everyone becomes a better athlete once they hit the L. Durant/Giannis/ and Draymond to a lesser extent are prime examples. Giannis wasn’t a freak athlete coming into the league. Less than impressive first step. What he had though, were long strides and impressive length. Now? He’s the best athlete on the Bucks by FAR and one of the better athletes in the L. Ingram has the physical tools. Just need NBA level training and I’d expect him to at least be on the level of a Nic Batum. It’s not like he’s Austin Daye or something. 46 inch very though, very doubtful. Just has great length with good leaping. But his first step and lateral quickness will be the defining traits for him along with being able to add weight while developing g his athleticism.

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