[NorrinRaddParticipant]

Raptors get RJ Barrett, Immanuel Quickley and a 2nd. The Knicks get OG Anunoby, Precious Achiuwa…
Any thoughts???

With the way Toronto develops players, I think this could be a win – win.

[NorrinRaddParticipant]

Malachi Flynn I just learned was also in this trade.

[HitsterParticipant]

I like the deal for both sides as long as OG resigns with the Knicks this summer. All the guys the Raps have traded were going to be FA or RFA’s this summer and OG will be due a very big contract so taking on RJ’s contract has little effect that way. All the guys are in their early to mid 20’s so this is an upside deal for both sides.

Toronto are retooling after their 2019 title but lost Kawhi and FVF to FA so clearly didn’t want the same to happen to OG as Siakam will also be an FA next summer. I’d be looking to see if anything happens as regards him. The Raptors pretty much become Scottie Barnes’ team now as he seems to be one of their main ball handlers now and is filling the stats columns.

The Raptors have got a return on OG and if they need to go to the lottery again this year so be it. RJ and Quickley give them one top starter and another who can be a complimentary starter or elite 6th man.

The Knicks have moved RJ so can easily resign OG and haven’t moved any of their future picks on so have the assets to make another trade if required.

[BothTeamsPlayedHard-Participant]

With the focus of the Knicks offense shifting towards Brunson, moving off Barrett for a better defender and shooter makes sense for them. The Knicks maintain the future draft picks and flexibility should a stud get surly and want to leave his current team. That said, while I think the Raptors afford Barrett and Quickley more opportunities where their statistical production will almost certainly exceed that of Anunoby. Whether or not they find chemistry with Barnes will determine whether it is a combination they can move forward with, but it makes sense.

[OhCanada-Participant]

Good trade. Toronto needed to shake things up. OG gets a chance to take on a bigger role in New York as does Quickley in Toronto. RJ comes home. Works for everyone. San Antonio currently holds the rights to the Raptors current pick which is top 6 protected and Toronto is currently selecting 7th.

[HitsterParticipant]

With the Spurs likely to get a high pick themselves another pick coming over inside the top 10 would be very useful for them. So do Toronto look to try and tank or improve as much as they can to lessen the impact of losing this pick?

This I can see being a win-win trade for both teams personally.

What happens with Pascal Siakam could be key in which way the Raptors look to go. He has been a twice all star and twice in all NBA sides and is one of the top 20 highest paid players in the NBA already. He is an FA this summer and turns 30 in a few months so this next contract he’ll want to get right. He already has a title and is a legend in Toronto but I’ve not heard what his intentions might be as far moving or resigning with the Raptors are?

I’ve read he has said if he is traded he won’t sign an extension before FA which any team acquiring him might want as if they give up good assets for him for a half season rental it doesn’t look good. Siakam is an excellent player but is he worth a salary which could be near the top 10 in the NBA and a long term deal for anyone over 30 is always a risk they end up with mega money at 34/35 and they are well past their best.
The good thing is Siakam hasn’t got a lot of miles on the clock so should have a few more good years in him. But is he quite that franchise level player which he might be paid at on his next contract?

[BothTeamsPlayedHard-Participant]

Siakam only has 6 relatively high mileage NBA seasons under his belt, which is a more important indicator of whether he is a decent bet for a third contract than his age. He took up the game late. The age curve of the NBA has been altered more by playing entering at younger ages 30 being some cliff. If you enter when you are 19, turning 30 means you have more than a decade of NBA miles. Siakam was 22 as a rookie, played only 800 minutes, and grew from there. It is not comparable.

Toronto has a month to see how their new mix works out before having to make a decision on Pascal and Gary Trent. I don’t view either as “got to go” guys, but not necessarily as must keep. What has changed, however, is that teams have to get to 90% of the cap. To send those two off will mean they have to spend some money on other guys. If they let them walk or deal them for expiring deals, the Raptors will still need to spend close to $40 million filling out their roster to get to the cap floor. Can they spend that money any better than do so on Siakam? While the next month will be important to seeing how he works with their revamped group, my hunch is no. Is it worth it to deal him for some second chance prospects? It depends on your assessment of Kuminga or the like. I don’t think 2024 first rounders are going to be held in high esteem. If Toronto ends up thinking Barnes can take another step next year, and their is another level Barrett and Quickley can achieve, re-signing him is not the worst idea in the world. It is not the NBA of a decade ago. It is the parity era.

[HitsterParticipant]

Trent ha been having a quieter season but will still be an interesting FA option for a number of teams. Also moving someone with Siakam”s salary isn’t straightforward and which teams have the flexability and assets to do so mid season.?

The Raptors would hate to lose both via FA but making a trade for trade’s sake could make them worse off if they take back deals which would deny them cap space. I’ve nothing against the Raptors resigning Siakam as he is a fine player and an All NBA/All Star level guy. They have given him a large contract before and they are the only NBA team he has ever played for and he helped them win a title. Hehas been doing more ball handling this season too so his game is evolving and he’s not got the miles on the clock other guys of his age might have.

I’d have no issue with the Raps giving him the sort of deal that FVF got with Houston last summer or better but not some sort of super max level deal.

[NorrinRaddParticipant]

I agree with the sentiment, but not sure how much the Raptors could get for Siakam and Gary Trent, Jr. is a backup playing imo out of position at times. I think both have only some interest from other teams. Not a crazy demand for them. Especially if Trent gets paid as much as he’s getting – I doubt that. Either way, I’d probably let Gary Trent, Jr. walk unless I get him for a discount. Imo the Raptors will develop Quickley and Barrett to super good players that will better the team. The new comers might get paid first, as it looks like a turnover of players is happening in Toronto. I think Barrett can be the player we thought he could be early on as a prospect… in Toronto. Quickley will be a new FVV. FVV is a pretty good NBA player, but imo he’d be nothing if he wasn’t on a team like Toronto during his career. As for Siakam, tough decision either way whether to trade him or not.. He’s approaching that 30 year mark, and would need a contender bidding team for him to make it work. Not sure there are any buyers for that.

[HitsterParticipant]

Teams wouldn’t go all in for Siakam unless they were pretty sure he’d extend and the amount of contenders who have the available salary to make the trade work is pretty small. When teams have cap space in the summer and he could explore all options there would be a huge amount of interest in him.

The draft could have a huge impact for if Toronto got a high lottery pick they might be content to let Siakam move on and allow the young core to develop or the right choice could make them a play off team again and Siakam could be happy to stay. As I said before all his NBA career has been with Toronto and he has a title and might be quite happy there. I don’t know what his personal circumstances are as some players with young families may not want to uproot to the other side of the US.

The players involved in the trade are all the same age range so neither side has changed its current window. Hoopshype ranks Quickley above OG in the 2024 FA ratings which slightly surprised me.

[OhCanada-Participant]

Yeah I was checking out this years prospects thinking Toronto might tank but it doesn’t seem they will be going in that direction. They traded the pick to San Antonio for Jakob Poeltl. Its top 6 protected. They aren’t gonna be worse than Detroit, San Antonio, Washington, Portland or Charlotte. They also would have to get lucky in the lottery. Its a big gamble for them to tank and the teams just too talented. Looks like another disappointing play in visit for Toronto.

[HitsterParticipant]

The Raptors have got slightly younger with FvF and OG being moved. A lot depends on Scottie Barnes’ upside but there is a decent core there and you don’t have bad contracts. They got the pick with Scottie right which was the key thing. The team isn’t poor enough to tank unless they sit a lot of guys and that risks losing the chance to retain Siakam.

I agree as regards the teams that will have worse records than the Raptors so it is either lessen theloss of the pick as much as they can or they get lucky in the lottery. The Detroit 2nd round pick is pretty much as good as a later first rounder so the Raptors will have some nice options there and a none guaranteed deal if needed.. Plus often contending teams might swap a late first rounder for an early 2nd one to give them a bit more cap space so the Raps could get offers there too.

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