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- Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 6:49am #57679
JM40Participant1. Shaquille O’Neal
2. Alonzo Mourning
3. Latrell Sprewell
4. Robert Horry
5. P.J. Brown
6. Jimmy Jackson
7. Tom Gugliotta
8. Christian Laettner
9. LaPhonso Ellis
10. Doug Christie
11. Malik Sealy
12. Walt Williams
13. Anthony Peeler
14. Bryant Stith
15. Hubert Davis
16. Clarence Weatherspoon
17. Popeye Jones
18. Todd Day
19. Sean Rooks
20. Matt Geiger
21. Don Maclean
22. Harold Miner
23. Tracy Murray
24. Predrag Danilovic
25. Adam Keefe
26. Jon Barry
27. Oliver Miller0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 8:07am #942930
mikeyvthedonParticipantHere is a link to the 1992 Draft:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1992.html
The first 3 picks are solid, though I have some questions after that. If you are judging off career, I guess I could see Horry being that high. I would take 7 rings over a couple college titles and being "that other guy" amongst the immortality of the Dream Team. Still, if we are talking about who was actually the better PLAYER during their time in the league, I think Laettner takes it. Laettner’s rookie numbers, albeit on a 19-63 team, were 18.2, 8.7 and 2.8 (47% FG, 83.5% FT).
Yes, he was the annoying Golden Boy from Duke. Yes, it is pretty annoying that he was on the Dream Team instead of Shaq, Zo or some well deserving Hall-of-Famer who was left off. Nonetheless, the dude could ball. He was an All-Star. As lucky as teams were to have Robert Horry come play-off and clutch time, he was pretty damn lucky to be put in some fantastic situations. Laettner was taken after two fantastic players and ended up in Minnesota. He did end up on some alright teams in Atlanta, plus created the awesome situation of Miami having the 1st, 2nd and 3rd pick of the 1992 Draft.
So, in all honesty, who would the Washington Bullets have selected in 1992? Jimmy Jackson, Tom Gugliotta, PJ Brown would have been possibilities, though honestly, think Laettner probably had most of them beat career wise. Jimmy was a journeyman and never made an All-Star team, Googs was injury prone and played in 12 play-off games and PJ never cracked 1,000 points in a year. All were role guys, though hard to say they were better role guys than Laettner when everything is considered. Horry certainly puts them all to shame in the ring department (though PJ picked one up on the way out as a nice elder statesman for the Celts), though all played larger roles on their actual teams. I sort of always wondered why Robert Horry never was more of a presence during the regular season. His career is epic in the ring department, though I am not sure the 4, 5 and 6 teams were kicking themselves for passing him up (LaPhonso Ellis was actually quite good, though was hurt constantly after his 2nd season).
A few other questions:
- Why is Oliver Miller 27th? I know he was an easy target due to the weight issues and I also know he was not the easiest person to play with because of this. However, dude was pretty damn talented, soft hands/touch, good passer. He played right away for a team that made the NBA Finals. Harold Miner (200 games) and Sasha Danilovic (75 games) both are pretty damn questionable to be rated ahead of him, at the very least. Thinking Phoenix would be fine with taking him 22 here, at least.
- Clarence Weatherspoon slipping to 16? "Baby Barkley" never lived up to the Chuckster, though he had some productive seasons and was a good role guy. Scored 10,000 career points and was one of the best rebounders in the draft (behind only Shaq, Zo and PJ in career rpg). Think he might fight with the Wizard (Walt Williams) for the 12 spot.
- Jon Barry should be higher than Miner, Danilovic, Adam Keefe and Sean Rooks. At least. Carved out a really nice career as a shooting specialist. Do not like him much as an announcer, he certainly was not his dad or even his brother as a player, but the guy played 821 NBA games.
- Just wondering, do you rate guys on career achievement, statistical averages or a bit of both? Because it is really difficult to get much of an idea about the criteria.
Realize this is only a little fun list, though it would be cool if it sparked some conversation and debate, or had reasons behind the more difficult choices (ie. beyond Shaq, Zo and Spree in this case). Am all for making lists like these, just kind of wonder what the basis or views were that put the picks in the order they ended up in. Do you just rate players based on who you see as the 27 best, or are you drafting for the teams who had the pick at the time (guessing it is the first)? I see you have not commented on the previous "Redrafting" posts, though think it would be cool if you gave us some background as to what method you use to make these lists.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 8:07am #943064
mikeyvthedonParticipantHere is a link to the 1992 Draft:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1992.html
The first 3 picks are solid, though I have some questions after that. If you are judging off career, I guess I could see Horry being that high. I would take 7 rings over a couple college titles and being "that other guy" amongst the immortality of the Dream Team. Still, if we are talking about who was actually the better PLAYER during their time in the league, I think Laettner takes it. Laettner’s rookie numbers, albeit on a 19-63 team, were 18.2, 8.7 and 2.8 (47% FG, 83.5% FT).
Yes, he was the annoying Golden Boy from Duke. Yes, it is pretty annoying that he was on the Dream Team instead of Shaq, Zo or some well deserving Hall-of-Famer who was left off. Nonetheless, the dude could ball. He was an All-Star. As lucky as teams were to have Robert Horry come play-off and clutch time, he was pretty damn lucky to be put in some fantastic situations. Laettner was taken after two fantastic players and ended up in Minnesota. He did end up on some alright teams in Atlanta, plus created the awesome situation of Miami having the 1st, 2nd and 3rd pick of the 1992 Draft.
So, in all honesty, who would the Washington Bullets have selected in 1992? Jimmy Jackson, Tom Gugliotta, PJ Brown would have been possibilities, though honestly, think Laettner probably had most of them beat career wise. Jimmy was a journeyman and never made an All-Star team, Googs was injury prone and played in 12 play-off games and PJ never cracked 1,000 points in a year. All were role guys, though hard to say they were better role guys than Laettner when everything is considered. Horry certainly puts them all to shame in the ring department (though PJ picked one up on the way out as a nice elder statesman for the Celts), though all played larger roles on their actual teams. I sort of always wondered why Robert Horry never was more of a presence during the regular season. His career is epic in the ring department, though I am not sure the 4, 5 and 6 teams were kicking themselves for passing him up (LaPhonso Ellis was actually quite good, though was hurt constantly after his 2nd season).
A few other questions:
- Why is Oliver Miller 27th? I know he was an easy target due to the weight issues and I also know he was not the easiest person to play with because of this. However, dude was pretty damn talented, soft hands/touch, good passer. He played right away for a team that made the NBA Finals. Harold Miner (200 games) and Sasha Danilovic (75 games) both are pretty damn questionable to be rated ahead of him, at the very least. Thinking Phoenix would be fine with taking him 22 here, at least.
- Clarence Weatherspoon slipping to 16? "Baby Barkley" never lived up to the Chuckster, though he had some productive seasons and was a good role guy. Scored 10,000 career points and was one of the best rebounders in the draft (behind only Shaq, Zo and PJ in career rpg). Think he might fight with the Wizard (Walt Williams) for the 12 spot.
- Jon Barry should be higher than Miner, Danilovic, Adam Keefe and Sean Rooks. At least. Carved out a really nice career as a shooting specialist. Do not like him much as an announcer, he certainly was not his dad or even his brother as a player, but the guy played 821 NBA games.
- Just wondering, do you rate guys on career achievement, statistical averages or a bit of both? Because it is really difficult to get much of an idea about the criteria.
Realize this is only a little fun list, though it would be cool if it sparked some conversation and debate, or had reasons behind the more difficult choices (ie. beyond Shaq, Zo and Spree in this case). Am all for making lists like these, just kind of wonder what the basis or views were that put the picks in the order they ended up in. Do you just rate players based on who you see as the 27 best, or are you drafting for the teams who had the pick at the time (guessing it is the first)? I see you have not commented on the previous "Redrafting" posts, though think it would be cool if you gave us some background as to what method you use to make these lists.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 9:02am #942941
APfromMSPParticipantI would take Gugliotta over Horry for sure, he was pretty good until injuries derailed his career. Horry was not that great when you look at his career numbers and was more of a post season presence than anything.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 9:02am #943074
APfromMSPParticipantI would take Gugliotta over Horry for sure, he was pretty good until injuries derailed his career. Horry was not that great when you look at his career numbers and was more of a post season presence than anything.
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