[valentine]

 I’ve seen enough awful threads in the last few days that require me to get on the offensive with hard hitting topics.

If you think theres no steroids / performing enhancing drugs in basketball…you are delusional. The reason I know this is simply by comparing it to other sports that are governed by the World Anti Doping Authority. They catch so many people, even for seemingly harmless drugs like painkillers.

NBA only ever catches guys for recreational drugs like weed…never PEDS.

You think fringe NBA players, eg the D League…arent desperate to get the slightest advantage.

PEDs aid recovery from injury, quickness, vertical leap etc etc 

Everywhere I look in the community, men and women are shoving ANYTHING down their mouth that is a so called ‘supplement’.

 

What have you got to say?

 

Naming players you suspect is the only way youll get more negs than me in this thread…if youre game.

 

 

 

 

 

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 Steroids don’t put the ball in the hoop.  They won’t make you smarter or have higher iq.  I’m sure there are a few.  I am sure you’re right about some d leaguers or fringe nbaers.  I don’t think however that it would be as beneficial as it is in the other two sports where you can get by on our athleticism and strength.  The majority of roster spots require you to have one basketball skill at least,  not be the best athlete.  

[Stephen A. BaylessParticipant]

The best NBA players most of the time are absolute freak athletes even amongst athletes. Performance enhancing supplements can definitely help. A LeBron that was maybe 1/4 of a step slower and jumped a couple centimeters less seemed much more easy to "contain" than previous versions and he’s one of the most skilled players ever. Now position does matter as well, but you can say the same thing for most sports. The NBA drug testing ranks at the bottom of professional sports.

Now I don’t think the NBA has a steroid problem by any means, but I think PED’s are more prevalent than we’d like to believe. Sadly due to the fact that the top media companies are so heavily invested monetarily in the sport, they’re not going to bring anything to light that they don’t have to.They’d rather target sports they don’t have money in, just like how baseball steroids were ignored for years, and concussions and HGH in football and the list goes on.

It’s also interesting how perception can warp things. People believe that PED’s helps vision and focus to improve contact in baseball, a more precise skill than shooting in basketball but people don’t believe it would help there. 

[Rip255]

Dude…youre the only reply so far that hasnt downplayed the value of athleticism in the NBA…or said that PEDs would make minimal difference.

And yet youre getting negged. 

I remember when this forum had some excellent basketball minds.

Im almost wishing bedhead came back. She was crazy…but at least shes not ridiculously naive.

 

 

 

[Rip255]

Dude…youre the only reply so far that hasnt downplayed the value of athleticism in the NBA…or said that PEDs would make minimal difference.

And yet youre getting negged. 

I remember when this forum had some excellent basketball minds.

Im almost wishing bedhead came back. She was crazy…but at least shes not ridiculously naive.

 

 

 

[Stephen A. BaylessParticipant]

The best NBA players most of the time are absolute freak athletes even amongst athletes. Performance enhancing supplements can definitely help. A LeBron that was maybe 1/4 of a step slower and jumped a couple centimeters less seemed much more easy to "contain" than previous versions and he’s one of the most skilled players ever. Now position does matter as well, but you can say the same thing for most sports. The NBA drug testing ranks at the bottom of professional sports.

Now I don’t think the NBA has a steroid problem by any means, but I think PED’s are more prevalent than we’d like to believe. Sadly due to the fact that the top media companies are so heavily invested monetarily in the sport, they’re not going to bring anything to light that they don’t have to.They’d rather target sports they don’t have money in, just like how baseball steroids were ignored for years, and concussions and HGH in football and the list goes on.

It’s also interesting how perception can warp things. People believe that PED’s helps vision and focus to improve contact in baseball, a more precise skill than shooting in basketball but people don’t believe it would help there. 

[top prospectParticipant]

 Three letters…LBJ. His speed and strength allows him to get anywhere on the court at any given time. 75% of his pts are a direct result of his PED use. Sorry Brony

[top prospectParticipant]

 Three letters…LBJ. His speed and strength allows him to get anywhere on the court at any given time. 75% of his pts are a direct result of his PED use. Sorry Brony

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 Steroids don’t put the ball in the hoop.  They won’t make you smarter or have higher iq.  I’m sure there are a few.  I am sure you’re right about some d leaguers or fringe nbaers.  I don’t think however that it would be as beneficial as it is in the other two sports where you can get by on our athleticism and strength.  The majority of roster spots require you to have one basketball skill at least,  not be the best athlete.  

[llperez]

 im sure some guys do it, but i dont think its a wide spread probelm inn the nba. Its just not the type of game where steroids would help a ton. Guys run up and down all day and have natural speed and cardio. the game requires skills over strength. 

 rashard lewis and oj mayo both tested postive though and you wouldnt think of those two in terms of steroids so who knows.

 

[bumbleb33Participant]

 PEDs might not help as much as it would in a sport like cycling but it definitely gives a not insignificant advantage. They allow guys to recover faster, especially the older guys. Being stronger also helps absorb contact, finish at the rim, defend in the post etc. This is strength and size they cannot build up naturally given how much cardio they go through every day. It is definitely widespread in the NBA, I am sure most of the top guys are on it. Jalen rose in a podcast was asked if a lot of guys were on roids and he said he would be surprised if they were ONLY on that

[bumbleb33Participant]

 PEDs might not help as much as it would in a sport like cycling but it definitely gives a not insignificant advantage. They allow guys to recover faster, especially the older guys. Being stronger also helps absorb contact, finish at the rim, defend in the post etc. This is strength and size they cannot build up naturally given how much cardio they go through every day. It is definitely widespread in the NBA, I am sure most of the top guys are on it. Jalen rose in a podcast was asked if a lot of guys were on roids and he said he would be surprised if they were ONLY on that

[llperez]

 im sure some guys do it, but i dont think its a wide spread probelm inn the nba. Its just not the type of game where steroids would help a ton. Guys run up and down all day and have natural speed and cardio. the game requires skills over strength. 

 rashard lewis and oj mayo both tested postive though and you wouldnt think of those two in terms of steroids so who knows.

 

[Robb_CParticipant]

Ill always have a feeling Lebron was on some type of Hgh or mild steroid, his size was absolutely incredible during his time with Team USA and Miami, just go look how jacked he was plus the problems he had with his hairline during those times.. He’s saying he’s smaller now cause he cut down carbs from his diet… That’s the biggest bs, I’m pretty positive he was using gear.. Someone doesn’t get that big and lose that amount of size in a year unless he was on proformers.

[Rip255]

The jaw is also a indicator for me as well. No way the NBA’s calling out LBJ…

[MopgrassParticipant]

 Human Growth Hormones really add to bone growth. Some people see bigger bones and assume a guy is naturally big-boned. Not the case. The jaw thickness and neck width are big indicators. I look at Jeff Bagwell and Barry Bonds and the bone structure changes in them are ridiculous. If LeBron has been taking them, he’s been doing it for a very long time. I haven’t seen recent pictures compared to old pictures. However, he does have that look. I don’t look at anyone else in the NBA and think HGH. 

[MopgrassParticipant]

 Human Growth Hormones really add to bone growth. Some people see bigger bones and assume a guy is naturally big-boned. Not the case. The jaw thickness and neck width are big indicators. I look at Jeff Bagwell and Barry Bonds and the bone structure changes in them are ridiculous. If LeBron has been taking them, he’s been doing it for a very long time. I haven’t seen recent pictures compared to old pictures. However, he does have that look. I don’t look at anyone else in the NBA and think HGH. 

[Rip255]

The jaw is also a indicator for me as well. No way the NBA’s calling out LBJ…

[BallGawd01Participant]

I remember a couple of years ago there was this small little rumor that Lebron was on HGH, I didn’t believe it, but when you look at him and how big he was in Miami, and how comparatively smaller now in Cleveland, there could be some merit. But the NBA is not the MLB, they NEED their stars to thrive so they will NEVEERRRR call out lebron, plus there really isn’t to many forms of hgh testing as is, in any sport, so it would be difficult to test for that.  

[BallGawd01Participant]

I remember a couple of years ago there was this small little rumor that Lebron was on HGH, I didn’t believe it, but when you look at him and how big he was in Miami, and how comparatively smaller now in Cleveland, there could be some merit. But the NBA is not the MLB, they NEED their stars to thrive so they will NEVEERRRR call out lebron, plus there really isn’t to many forms of hgh testing as is, in any sport, so it would be difficult to test for that.  

[Robb_CParticipant]

Ill always have a feeling Lebron was on some type of Hgh or mild steroid, his size was absolutely incredible during his time with Team USA and Miami, just go look how jacked he was plus the problems he had with his hairline during those times.. He’s saying he’s smaller now cause he cut down carbs from his diet… That’s the biggest bs, I’m pretty positive he was using gear.. Someone doesn’t get that big and lose that amount of size in a year unless he was on proformers.

[Rip255]

 The people saying that PEDs wouldnt help players are so wrong.

Being more athletic is a huge advantge in basketball.

 

[Rip255]

 The people saying that PEDs wouldnt help players are so wrong.

Being more athletic is a huge advantge in basketball.

 

[CynthiaParticipant]

There are and will always be players who use PEDs in every single sport, this shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone. I’m sure there are more than a handful of NBA players who use them, but it just isn’t enough of a factor to really crack down on it as opposed to some other sports.

I’m sure it can help to a minor degree, but it’s not going to make an NBA player a star like it can(and has) in other major sports. Athletes are fun to watch, and the more athleticism a player has the better, but it’s not a category that pushes a player over the top. There are plenty of legends past & present who were very unathletic but dominated due to pure shooting skill, IQ, natural hustle, etc.

A lot of why I love the game of basketball over most other sports is that it has a huge mental factor to it, it’s just as mental as it is physical. Players who are not focused and lack a certain level of basketball IQ tend to be bench warmers or not last in the league at all. As someone else mentioned players in the NBA need at least one specific role, athleticism is not a role, it’s just a bonus attribute. If a player has a specific role like shooting, passing, defending, etc. AND they have athleticism? That’s just icing on the cake.

[Rip255]

‘Theres plenty of past and present legends who are unathletic"

Tell me an NBA legend who is unathletic please.

Before you say Larry Bird…think about whether hes unathletic compared to a normal 6’9" person…or just when hes getting dunked on by superfreaks like Dominiqie and Dr J

[CynthiaParticipant]

Well that’s an easy challenge, legends known more for their skill or IQ than athleticism:

Nate Thurmond, Kevin McHale, Joe Dumars, Reggie Miller, John Stockton, Earl Monroe, Bill Russell, Moses Malone, Jerry Lucas, Bill Walton, Hal Greer, Artis Gilmore, Pete Maravich, Wes Unseld, Rick Barry, Jerry West, Arvydas Sabonis, Bob Cousy, John Havlicek, Chris Mullin, etc.

As far as some more recent players go; Zach Randolph, Derek Fisher, Andre Miller, Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, Dirk Nowitzki, Ben Wallace, Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Marc Gasol come to mind.

I’m sure there’s more, those are just off the top of my head.

I actually will add Larry Bird to the list despite your comment, because yes he was more mobile than your typical 6’9 player, but there’s a difference in being mobile for your size and being considered athletic. Even someone like Shaq qualifies, for a 7’1 380 lbs. guy he was very mobile, but in the grand scheme of things he was slow, and played very low to the ground.

Could PEDs help all of the players above? Sure, but it’s not going to change their game or push them to another level higher than they already were.

[Snatalini247Participant]

 I’m pretty sure Bill Russell, Ben Wallace, and I believe even Bill Walton to an extent were all considered solid athletes

[Snatalini247Participant]

 I’m pretty sure Bill Russell, Ben Wallace, and I believe even Bill Walton to an extent were all considered solid athletes

[jalliParticipant]

 just refer to this cause he was a run/jump athlete before he was a ball player, and a great run/jump athlete at that too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch

 

[jalliParticipant]

 just refer to this cause he was a run/jump athlete before he was a ball player, and a great run/jump athlete at that too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch

 

[Rip255]

 That list of players you called unathletic is the single worst post Ive seen in here. 

[Rip255]

 That list of players you called unathletic is the single worst post Ive seen in here. 

[jalliParticipant]

5 star athlete with 3 star skill or 3 star athlete with 5 star skill.  Either one works.  I do believe there’s a baseline for athleticism in order to make it in the NBA, dependent on position as well of course.

[jalliParticipant]

5 star athlete with 3 star skill or 3 star athlete with 5 star skill.  Either one works.  I do believe there’s a baseline for athleticism in order to make it in the NBA, dependent on position as well of course.

[CynthiaParticipant]

Well that’s an easy challenge, legends known more for their skill or IQ than athleticism:

Nate Thurmond, Kevin McHale, Joe Dumars, Reggie Miller, John Stockton, Earl Monroe, Bill Russell, Moses Malone, Jerry Lucas, Bill Walton, Hal Greer, Artis Gilmore, Pete Maravich, Wes Unseld, Rick Barry, Jerry West, Arvydas Sabonis, Bob Cousy, John Havlicek, Chris Mullin, etc.

As far as some more recent players go; Zach Randolph, Derek Fisher, Andre Miller, Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, Dirk Nowitzki, Ben Wallace, Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Marc Gasol come to mind.

I’m sure there’s more, those are just off the top of my head.

I actually will add Larry Bird to the list despite your comment, because yes he was more mobile than your typical 6’9 player, but there’s a difference in being mobile for your size and being considered athletic. Even someone like Shaq qualifies, for a 7’1 380 lbs. guy he was very mobile, but in the grand scheme of things he was slow, and played very low to the ground.

Could PEDs help all of the players above? Sure, but it’s not going to change their game or push them to another level higher than they already were.

[Rip255]

‘Theres plenty of past and present legends who are unathletic"

Tell me an NBA legend who is unathletic please.

Before you say Larry Bird…think about whether hes unathletic compared to a normal 6’9" person…or just when hes getting dunked on by superfreaks like Dominiqie and Dr J

[CynthiaParticipant]

There are and will always be players who use PEDs in every single sport, this shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone. I’m sure there are more than a handful of NBA players who use them, but it just isn’t enough of a factor to really crack down on it as opposed to some other sports.

I’m sure it can help to a minor degree, but it’s not going to make an NBA player a star like it can(and has) in other major sports. Athletes are fun to watch, and the more athleticism a player has the better, but it’s not a category that pushes a player over the top. There are plenty of legends past & present who were very unathletic but dominated due to pure shooting skill, IQ, natural hustle, etc.

A lot of why I love the game of basketball over most other sports is that it has a huge mental factor to it, it’s just as mental as it is physical. Players who are not focused and lack a certain level of basketball IQ tend to be bench warmers or not last in the league at all. As someone else mentioned players in the NBA need at least one specific role, athleticism is not a role, it’s just a bonus attribute. If a player has a specific role like shooting, passing, defending, etc. AND they have athleticism? That’s just icing on the cake.

[he_gets_bucketsParticipant]

 If athleticism were the defining factor of how good a player was like you are trying to make it out to be Rip, Gerald Green and Terrence Ross would be HoFers

[Rip255]

Are some of you guys serious? 

Do I really need to point out the value of athleticism to you guys.

Please dont tell me its come to this. 

Im starting to think some of you dislike my previous posts so much that you will play down the value of athleticism in the NBA purely for the sake of disagreeing with me.

No one is saying its the defining factor…but its a MAJOR factor to playing in the NBA. Even the slowest, most unathletic guys are wayyy above average athleticism for their size.

Newsflash…taking PEDs makes you more athletic. 

 

You guys must be trolling…

 

 

 

 

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 You’re ridiculously simple minded.  Because one says the value of athleticism is less in the NBA compared to the NFL doesn’t mean they are saying that athleticism isn’t needed in the NBA.  Things are mostly black and white for you yeah?  If you’re going to sit here and tell me it is as important for an NBA player to run a 4.3 40 yard dash while also carrying 250 lbs of weight with 5% body fat then you are wrong.  NBA players don’t need that.  They aren’t crashing into each other at full speed.  They are dribbling a ball which takes coordination, and then they put it through the hoop.  Which of your previously mentioned sports requires that skill?

Baseball – Swing club hard at ball with big muscles.

Football – Run as fast as you can and crash into someone.  What is the most complicated play in football?  Catching the ball?  Throwing the ball?  Basketball players do that on every play multiple times usually, without even thinking about it.

Cycling – Move your legs faster than everyone else.

Cricket – WTF? Who cares.

UFC – Punch and kick people or choke them out with huge muscles.

How does Basketball related to any of those sports?  Who is really being naive here?  These sports are not apples to apples.

For every freak athlete in the NBA you have the Steve Nash’s, the Steph Currys… How about the skinny guys like Anthony Davis and Kevin Durant?  

 

I in particular love your posts.  Especially when you preface it with things like, just trying to generate conversation and things like that.  I always find them interesting, yet when people disagree with you you get extremely sour. 

I could do this all day if you want but there is a point that clearly your narrow mind won’t see.  THESE SPORTS DON’T REQUIRE THE SAME ATTRIBUTES. 

[Rip255]

 Haha not sour. I just love challenging people and extreme use of exager

But you need to see the dudes post re: different steroids and PEDs.

Plenty of PEDs arent related to just muscle or bulking up. Some are endurance…diuretics, and some are strictly cognitive enhancers.

For example…big baby could take PEDs to slim down and get up and down the court quicker.  

But to say performance enhancing drugs wouldnt help much is ridiculous to me. Otherwise…why would players decline as their athleticism decreases. Because its such a major part of the game. 

And Anthony Davis and Kevin Durant are unbelievable athletes. Stop thinking strictly about bulk…

 

[Rip255]

 Haha not sour. I just love challenging people and extreme use of exager

But you need to see the dudes post re: different steroids and PEDs.

Plenty of PEDs arent related to just muscle or bulking up. Some are endurance…diuretics, and some are strictly cognitive enhancers.

For example…big baby could take PEDs to slim down and get up and down the court quicker.  

But to say performance enhancing drugs wouldnt help much is ridiculous to me. Otherwise…why would players decline as their athleticism decreases. Because its such a major part of the game. 

And Anthony Davis and Kevin Durant are unbelievable athletes. Stop thinking strictly about bulk…

 

[jalliParticipant]

Steroids and PED’s absolutely help in the NBA.  Athleticism matters, and matters a lot.  Matters even more when you’re athletic WITH size/length.  However, there has to be some balance of raw athleticism and skill so they’re not mutually exclusive to a players success.

[jalliParticipant]

Steroids and PED’s absolutely help in the NBA.  Athleticism matters, and matters a lot.  Matters even more when you’re athletic WITH size/length.  However, there has to be some balance of raw athleticism and skill so they’re not mutually exclusive to a players success.

[jalliParticipant]

bulk is part of it.  Then you have speed, quickness, reaction time, explosiveness, endurance, recovery time, strength, hand-eye coordination,etc. 

[jalliParticipant]

bulk is part of it.  Then you have speed, quickness, reaction time, explosiveness, endurance, recovery time, strength, hand-eye coordination,etc. 

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 You’re ridiculously simple minded.  Because one says the value of athleticism is less in the NBA compared to the NFL doesn’t mean they are saying that athleticism isn’t needed in the NBA.  Things are mostly black and white for you yeah?  If you’re going to sit here and tell me it is as important for an NBA player to run a 4.3 40 yard dash while also carrying 250 lbs of weight with 5% body fat then you are wrong.  NBA players don’t need that.  They aren’t crashing into each other at full speed.  They are dribbling a ball which takes coordination, and then they put it through the hoop.  Which of your previously mentioned sports requires that skill?

Baseball – Swing club hard at ball with big muscles.

Football – Run as fast as you can and crash into someone.  What is the most complicated play in football?  Catching the ball?  Throwing the ball?  Basketball players do that on every play multiple times usually, without even thinking about it.

Cycling – Move your legs faster than everyone else.

Cricket – WTF? Who cares.

UFC – Punch and kick people or choke them out with huge muscles.

How does Basketball related to any of those sports?  Who is really being naive here?  These sports are not apples to apples.

For every freak athlete in the NBA you have the Steve Nash’s, the Steph Currys… How about the skinny guys like Anthony Davis and Kevin Durant?  

 

I in particular love your posts.  Especially when you preface it with things like, just trying to generate conversation and things like that.  I always find them interesting, yet when people disagree with you you get extremely sour. 

I could do this all day if you want but there is a point that clearly your narrow mind won’t see.  THESE SPORTS DON’T REQUIRE THE SAME ATTRIBUTES. 

[Rip255]

Are some of you guys serious? 

Do I really need to point out the value of athleticism to you guys.

Please dont tell me its come to this. 

Im starting to think some of you dislike my previous posts so much that you will play down the value of athleticism in the NBA purely for the sake of disagreeing with me.

No one is saying its the defining factor…but its a MAJOR factor to playing in the NBA. Even the slowest, most unathletic guys are wayyy above average athleticism for their size.

Newsflash…taking PEDs makes you more athletic. 

 

You guys must be trolling…

 

 

 

 

[he_gets_bucketsParticipant]

 If athleticism were the defining factor of how good a player was like you are trying to make it out to be Rip, Gerald Green and Terrence Ross would be HoFers

[Rip255]

 Cycling – Greatest ever….Steroids

Cricket – fastest bowler ever….steroids

Baseball – most ever home runs…steroids

Every Athletics gold medalist before strict testing….Steroids

Arnold Schwarzeneger bodybuilding champ…Steroids

Entire NFL pre-balco…steroids

Prime Mike Tyson…Steroids

Countless UFC champs…Steroids

Yet…they dont help NBA players much (according to replies in this thread)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Rip255]

 Cycling – Greatest ever….Steroids

Cricket – fastest bowler ever….steroids

Baseball – most ever home runs…steroids

Every Athletics gold medalist before strict testing….Steroids

Arnold Schwarzeneger bodybuilding champ…Steroids

Entire NFL pre-balco…steroids

Prime Mike Tyson…Steroids

Countless UFC champs…Steroids

Yet…they dont help NBA players much (according to replies in this thread)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ph90702]

I doubt that they’re very prevalent.  Basketball isn’t like football where bulk really matters.

[ph90702]

I doubt that they’re very prevalent.  Basketball isn’t like football where bulk really matters.

[Mr. ChicagoParticipant]

Anyone that thinks steroids, HGH, or PED’s don’t help basketball players is simply kidding themselves.

Steriods are not only utilized to "get you big" or "jacked." They are used in incredibly different ways, dosages, forms, etc.

For example, Erythropoietin (or EPO) – is utilized to control red blood cell production, which in turn increases endurance. Anyone who tell me endurance would not help a basketball player obviosuly has no idea what they are taking about.

You don’t need to associate all chemical compounds to thin kthey only "may you grow" or "recede your hairline." In fact, HGH side effects do not include hair loss, ehanced jaw-line, etc.

I would bet PED use in all athletics is fairly rampant, as they are devolping compaunds everyday that can defeat chemical testing.

If you have a moment, reasearch chemical compounds – you will realize there are thousands readily available on the open market – some of which you have probably never even heard of.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

[Mr. ChicagoParticipant]

Anyone that thinks steroids, HGH, or PED’s don’t help basketball players is simply kidding themselves.

Steriods are not only utilized to "get you big" or "jacked." They are used in incredibly different ways, dosages, forms, etc.

For example, Erythropoietin (or EPO) – is utilized to control red blood cell production, which in turn increases endurance. Anyone who tell me endurance would not help a basketball player obviosuly has no idea what they are taking about.

You don’t need to associate all chemical compounds to thin kthey only "may you grow" or "recede your hairline." In fact, HGH side effects do not include hair loss, ehanced jaw-line, etc.

I would bet PED use in all athletics is fairly rampant, as they are devolping compaunds everyday that can defeat chemical testing.

If you have a moment, reasearch chemical compounds – you will realize there are thousands readily available on the open market – some of which you have probably never even heard of.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

[Rdf1212Participant]

I am going to get negged to death for this comment but I have thought for years LBJ was on steroids when he hit Miami.. He gained a ton of weight and did not lose any of his athleticism. That is not natural.

And I disagree that steroids cannot help a basketball player.. Imagine these weaker players that need to bulk up to be productive. Steroids would allow Anthony Davis to put on the needed weight to gaurd the low post and still keep his speed and agility. Or allow a player like Nerlens Noel to body big centers.

[Rip255]

 I actually think Michael Jordan was on steroids. Dude would do anything to win….went bald super early…had insane muscle to fat ratio..was stroger and faster than anyone else…but most importantly…

In the late 80s…EVERYONE was on steroids in nfl, baseball, track and field, boxing, hulk hogan etc etc. But not basketball? They were super easy to get and super effective.

He would probably still be the goat either way…but Im suspicious. He would have just been one of many (Barkley comes to mind also).

[Rip255]

 I actually think Michael Jordan was on steroids. Dude would do anything to win….went bald super early…had insane muscle to fat ratio..was stroger and faster than anyone else…but most importantly…

In the late 80s…EVERYONE was on steroids in nfl, baseball, track and field, boxing, hulk hogan etc etc. But not basketball? They were super easy to get and super effective.

He would probably still be the goat either way…but Im suspicious. He would have just been one of many (Barkley comes to mind also).

[bumbleb33Participant]

 steroids dont magically allow a guy to put on weight and not lose speed/explosiveness. Lebron is probably on roids but the thing about him is that he is a special type of specimen. He has a naturally freakish physique which allows him to put on weight without losing too much mobility. Put 50 lbs on wiggins and he will be moving like boris diaw. 

[bumbleb33Participant]

 steroids dont magically allow a guy to put on weight and not lose speed/explosiveness. Lebron is probably on roids but the thing about him is that he is a special type of specimen. He has a naturally freakish physique which allows him to put on weight without losing too much mobility. Put 50 lbs on wiggins and he will be moving like boris diaw. 

[daggers818Participant]

Who can say if Lebron was using or not, but I found it interesting at the time that he decided to lose all that weight (he looked weirdly thin) during the summer when Alex Rodriguez was getting busted and the BALCO scandal broke in Florida while implicating or insinuating that other stars form other sports were also involved.  Just seemed highly coincidental to me.

[daggers818Participant]

Who can say if Lebron was using or not, but I found it interesting at the time that he decided to lose all that weight (he looked weirdly thin) during the summer when Alex Rodriguez was getting busted and the BALCO scandal broke in Florida while implicating or insinuating that other stars form other sports were also involved.  Just seemed highly coincidental to me.

[Rdf1212Participant]

I am going to get negged to death for this comment but I have thought for years LBJ was on steroids when he hit Miami.. He gained a ton of weight and did not lose any of his athleticism. That is not natural.

And I disagree that steroids cannot help a basketball player.. Imagine these weaker players that need to bulk up to be productive. Steroids would allow Anthony Davis to put on the needed weight to gaurd the low post and still keep his speed and agility. Or allow a player like Nerlens Noel to body big centers.

[ballislyfe25Participant]

One thing that has made me suspect PED use is the increase of ACL tears and lower body injuries. I am not professing to be any sort of expert on the subject but it seems like some guys are just putting on too much weight or adding too much athleticism for their bodies to handle. 

Many of my friends who played college football were asked to put on serious pounds (about 20-30 lbs above their natural weight) and suffered torn ACLs, Jones factures, etc., almost all on non-contact plays. Not all of them took PEDs, as many simply gained weight by bulking and overreating.

There has to be some sort of unnatural stress or overtraining leading to these injuries becoming more common, especially amongst young atheltes. Jabari Parker and Dante Exum both have torn ACLs and they are, what, both barely 20? We all remember Paul George’s and Kevin Ware’s gruesome broken legs and Julius Randle also broke his leg. Injuries are an inevitable part of all sports but something doesn’t seem right about their frequency as of late.

[ballislyfe25Participant]

One thing that has made me suspect PED use is the increase of ACL tears and lower body injuries. I am not professing to be any sort of expert on the subject but it seems like some guys are just putting on too much weight or adding too much athleticism for their bodies to handle. 

Many of my friends who played college football were asked to put on serious pounds (about 20-30 lbs above their natural weight) and suffered torn ACLs, Jones factures, etc., almost all on non-contact plays. Not all of them took PEDs, as many simply gained weight by bulking and overreating.

There has to be some sort of unnatural stress or overtraining leading to these injuries becoming more common, especially amongst young atheltes. Jabari Parker and Dante Exum both have torn ACLs and they are, what, both barely 20? We all remember Paul George’s and Kevin Ware’s gruesome broken legs and Julius Randle also broke his leg. Injuries are an inevitable part of all sports but something doesn’t seem right about their frequency as of late.

[Rip255]

You are on the money with the injuries, especially Exums ACL. Everyones saying he has to put in weight…so he added a stack in the off season.

Boom..knee goes after less than 25 minutes of action.

Not a coincidence…

 

 

[Rip255]

You are on the money with the injuries, especially Exums ACL. Everyones saying he has to put in weight…so he added a stack in the off season.

Boom..knee goes after less than 25 minutes of action.

Not a coincidence…

 

 

[mixtape2003Participant]

I agree with the part about your original post were PED help recovery from injuries, but Im not sure that they are related to causing ACL and achilles injuries. Sure sure Exum had to put on wait but what about Parker? He actually need to loose some.

[mixtape2003Participant]

I agree with the part about your original post were PED help recovery from injuries, but Im not sure that they are related to causing ACL and achilles injuries. Sure sure Exum had to put on wait but what about Parker? He actually need to loose some.

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 In a short period. More than what shoukd have been possible in a few months. I was very surprised by his size in summer L. Based on my experience it was very suspect.

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 In a short period. More than what shoukd have been possible in a few months. I was very surprised by his size in summer L. Based on my experience it was very suspect.

[bumbleb33Participant]

 giannis as well. dont see how it is possible for these guys to naturally put on that much muscle in just a couple months considering they are doing a tonne of cardio every day as well

[bumbleb33Participant]

 giannis as well. dont see how it is possible for these guys to naturally put on that much muscle in just a couple months considering they are doing a tonne of cardio every day as well

[bumbleb33Participant]

 lol what i thought it was common knowledge that PEDs were widespread in NBA (and most professional sports). I doubt the league even cares cos top players would be skipping a lot of back to backs if they were really strict on PEDs. Look at dwight Howard, his shoulders are bloody ridiculous they are bowling balls. Yes he is a freak athlete and if we all took steroids our physique would not come close but still the size and shape of his deltoids are probably unnatural

[bumbleb33Participant]

 lol what i thought it was common knowledge that PEDs were widespread in NBA (and most professional sports). I doubt the league even cares cos top players would be skipping a lot of back to backs if they were really strict on PEDs. Look at dwight Howard, his shoulders are bloody ridiculous they are bowling balls. Yes he is a freak athlete and if we all took steroids our physique would not come close but still the size and shape of his deltoids are probably unnatural

[Rip255]

 Yeah its surprising how naive people are on the topic. Either thinking they dont help or that players arent taking them. One post even had the audacity to say Bill Russell and Ben Wallace were unathletic… and got mad +1’s for it. Those 2 would eat an average man for breakfast in any athletic contest.

Hardly anyone so far has even started to think why the league simply doesnt care about steroid use because they’re foolishly convinced it wouldnt help…

 

[Rip255]

 Yeah its surprising how naive people are on the topic. Either thinking they dont help or that players arent taking them. One post even had the audacity to say Bill Russell and Ben Wallace were unathletic… and got mad +1’s for it. Those 2 would eat an average man for breakfast in any athletic contest.

Hardly anyone so far has even started to think why the league simply doesnt care about steroid use because they’re foolishly convinced it wouldnt help…

 

[SkalAndJamalParticipant]

 I’m no snitch, but there are forsure a good amount of steroids users. I actually know of some skinny players who tried it and didn’t help them gain weight at all. 

Simply put though, many guys used something to make their arms bigger and get an even bigger head

[SkalAndJamalParticipant]

 I’m no snitch, but there are forsure a good amount of steroids users. I actually know of some skinny players who tried it and didn’t help them gain weight at all. 

Simply put though, many guys used something to make their arms bigger and get an even bigger head

[OdieParticipant]

 When I go to the gym, many guys are on the juice. You can easily buy it over the front counter. Now this is for guys who get no benefit other than looking better. If your life depends on extra strength or even healing of injuries, then it would seem likely someone will convince you of the benefits of these drugs. After all, it’s only a small gap quite often between success and failure in pro sport.

[SkalAndJamalParticipant]

 Exactly, and come on, baseball can have fat f***s like David Ortiz playing, he be successful, and yet the whole league needs these steroids to get better. In a sport like basketball when athleticism is more relied on, it would make sense.

[SkalAndJamalParticipant]

 Exactly, and come on, baseball can have fat f***s like David Ortiz playing, he be successful, and yet the whole league needs these steroids to get better. In a sport like basketball when athleticism is more relied on, it would make sense.

[OdieParticipant]

 When I go to the gym, many guys are on the juice. You can easily buy it over the front counter. Now this is for guys who get no benefit other than looking better. If your life depends on extra strength or even healing of injuries, then it would seem likely someone will convince you of the benefits of these drugs. After all, it’s only a small gap quite often between success and failure in pro sport.

[Rip255]

 I could possibly have a record number of negs for one thread…

 130 and counting

[XYRYXParticipant]

To be honest, I agreed with you on many topics you posted but you went too far with most of them and you often go for real name players just on speculation. 

I think this is a very very interesting topic for the offseason and I’m going to do some research by myself and come back with that on another thread here. 

I think way too many people over here are selling Doping too low and just ‘don’t believe’ in PEDs in Basketball. To say that this doesn’t put the ball in the hoop is rediculous. Maybe there aren’t substances that improve the hand-eye coordination (which do exist in fact in other sports!) but IT HELPS YOU IN ANY OTHER ATHLETIC/ENDURANCE CATEGORY! 

There is an endless list of substances AND combination of using this things let alone what you can do in healing processes (what most of this substances are MADE for). In one of the best money producing sports in the world there is plenty of reason to cheat and let’s be honest the NBA anti doping program is compared to Soccer for example a complete joke! There are many reports from the last where Dream Team players had ‘special treatments’ in the Olympics in the 90s and early 2ks. 

Doping in the NBA is for real like in ANY OTHER OLYMPIC SPORTand we should not be naive and act like somehow NBA players are the only athletes who don’t react in a positive way to doping and maybe also in the bad way with the increased injury risks (a very interesting topic!).

[Rip255]

I get negged regardless of whether I name players or not…but considering over 40 replies thete is clear interest in the topic.

I look forward to the results of your study. 

I’m the Dwight Howard of this forum. People love to hate me. But I love being the villian, I feel like the bad guys in pro wrestling who get paid based on how loudly they get booed.

 

 

 

[Rip255]

I get negged regardless of whether I name players or not…but considering over 40 replies thete is clear interest in the topic.

I look forward to the results of your study. 

I’m the Dwight Howard of this forum. People love to hate me. But I love being the villian, I feel like the bad guys in pro wrestling who get paid based on how loudly they get booed.

 

 

 

[XYRYXParticipant]

To be honest, I agreed with you on many topics you posted but you went too far with most of them and you often go for real name players just on speculation. 

I think this is a very very interesting topic for the offseason and I’m going to do some research by myself and come back with that on another thread here. 

I think way too many people over here are selling Doping too low and just ‘don’t believe’ in PEDs in Basketball. To say that this doesn’t put the ball in the hoop is rediculous. Maybe there aren’t substances that improve the hand-eye coordination (which do exist in fact in other sports!) but IT HELPS YOU IN ANY OTHER ATHLETIC/ENDURANCE CATEGORY! 

There is an endless list of substances AND combination of using this things let alone what you can do in healing processes (what most of this substances are MADE for). In one of the best money producing sports in the world there is plenty of reason to cheat and let’s be honest the NBA anti doping program is compared to Soccer for example a complete joke! There are many reports from the last where Dream Team players had ‘special treatments’ in the Olympics in the 90s and early 2ks. 

Doping in the NBA is for real like in ANY OTHER OLYMPIC SPORTand we should not be naive and act like somehow NBA players are the only athletes who don’t react in a positive way to doping and maybe also in the bad way with the increased injury risks (a very interesting topic!).

[Rip255]

 I could possibly have a record number of negs for one thread…

 130 and counting

[BigDParticipant]

 I have a different theory as to why the injury rates in elite sport are increasing, especially on the tendon and ligament injuries.

 

Quite often you see these players train in explosive movements or mimicking movements they perform on the court. The problem with mimicking on-court movements is your body will  have to change the technique to compensate for the increased weight, recruiting other muscles and so forth to perform the movement. But what happens when you go back to the court, perform this movement with the adjusted technique, bam injury. 

The other problem is training just for explosive movements (plyometric based stuff), the muscles become explosive sure, but the tendons and ligaments do not keep up. You need to expose your tendons and ligaments to extreme loads (serious strength training) to build them up, and in doing so you’ll increase your CNS’ ability to recruit your muscle fibres, easing the load further on the tendons and ligaments.

everywhere on YouTube you can see brief examples of NBA players cutting corners on the strength work, which leads to the increased injury risk.

but yea they’re is clearing the use of PEDs in the NBA, just like any other sport.

[BigDParticipant]

 I have a different theory as to why the injury rates in elite sport are increasing, especially on the tendon and ligament injuries.

 

Quite often you see these players train in explosive movements or mimicking movements they perform on the court. The problem with mimicking on-court movements is your body will  have to change the technique to compensate for the increased weight, recruiting other muscles and so forth to perform the movement. But what happens when you go back to the court, perform this movement with the adjusted technique, bam injury. 

The other problem is training just for explosive movements (plyometric based stuff), the muscles become explosive sure, but the tendons and ligaments do not keep up. You need to expose your tendons and ligaments to extreme loads (serious strength training) to build them up, and in doing so you’ll increase your CNS’ ability to recruit your muscle fibres, easing the load further on the tendons and ligaments.

everywhere on YouTube you can see brief examples of NBA players cutting corners on the strength work, which leads to the increased injury risk.

but yea they’re is clearing the use of PEDs in the NBA, just like any other sport.

[NBAjunkie81Participant]

 idea how PED’s affect Any sport… Basketball seems unique in that the kids are SO heavily scouted as young as middle school *& these scouts & talent evaluators are simply Amazing at predicting the Future great players… I think if Juice was proliferating we would see kids coming out of no where in the Draft to make the Lottery & Steroids do Not affect height… Still, as a fan AND a parent, I would LOVE to see EVERY sport agree to Olympic level blood testing w/ ubiquitous standards & penalties for those caught using… I’ve seen too many supposedly great athletes caught using & How great would it be if we just did Not have to wonder anymore??? It’s so unfair for the clean athletes that must compete w/ those who are using regardless of the sport… Many of these sports just beat the tar out of an athletes body & it seems that Many of these athletes who use, do it so they can allow their bodies to recover faster but that is still an unfair advantage…. I would Love to see Every sport & the Union representing the players Volunteer to install the Olympic Level random Blood testing for Every athlete in Every sport w/ an Automatic 2 year suspension for First time Offenders & a Lifetime ban for repeat bans…… I truly believe that within a few years it would eradicate Doping from the Sporting World…. & I think it would be Fair b/c Every one would submit to the Exact same testing standards….

[NBAjunkie81Participant]

 idea how PED’s affect Any sport… Basketball seems unique in that the kids are SO heavily scouted as young as middle school *& these scouts & talent evaluators are simply Amazing at predicting the Future great players… I think if Juice was proliferating we would see kids coming out of no where in the Draft to make the Lottery & Steroids do Not affect height… Still, as a fan AND a parent, I would LOVE to see EVERY sport agree to Olympic level blood testing w/ ubiquitous standards & penalties for those caught using… I’ve seen too many supposedly great athletes caught using & How great would it be if we just did Not have to wonder anymore??? It’s so unfair for the clean athletes that must compete w/ those who are using regardless of the sport… Many of these sports just beat the tar out of an athletes body & it seems that Many of these athletes who use, do it so they can allow their bodies to recover faster but that is still an unfair advantage…. I would Love to see Every sport & the Union representing the players Volunteer to install the Olympic Level random Blood testing for Every athlete in Every sport w/ an Automatic 2 year suspension for First time Offenders & a Lifetime ban for repeat bans…… I truly believe that within a few years it would eradicate Doping from the Sporting World…. & I think it would be Fair b/c Every one would submit to the Exact same testing standards….

[NBAjunkie81Participant]

 idea how PED’s affect Any sport… Basketball seems unique in that the kids are SO heavily scouted as young as middle school *& these scouts & talent evaluators are simply Amazing at predicting the Future great players… I think if Juice was proliferating we would see kids coming out of no where in the Draft to make the Lottery & Steroids do Not affect height… Still, as a fan AND a parent, I would LOVE to see EVERY sport agree to Olympic level blood testing w/ ubiquitous standards & penalties for those caught using… I’ve seen too many supposedly great athletes caught using & How great would it be if we just did Not have to wonder anymore??? It’s so unfair for the clean athletes that must compete w/ those who are using regardless of the sport… Many of these sports just beat the tar out of an athletes body & it seems that Many of these athletes who use, do it so they can allow their bodies to recover faster but that is still an unfair advantage…. I would Love to see Every sport & the Union representing the players Volunteer to install the Olympic Level random Blood testing for Every athlete in Every sport w/ an Automatic 2 year suspension for First time Offenders & a Lifetime ban for repeat bans…… I truly believe that within a few years it would eradicate Doping from the Sporting World…. & I think it would be Fair b/c Every one would submit to the Exact same testing standards….

[NBAjunkie81Participant]

 idea how PED’s affect Any sport… Basketball seems unique in that the kids are SO heavily scouted as young as middle school *& these scouts & talent evaluators are simply Amazing at predicting the Future great players… I think if Juice was proliferating we would see kids coming out of no where in the Draft to make the Lottery & Steroids do Not affect height… Still, as a fan AND a parent, I would LOVE to see EVERY sport agree to Olympic level blood testing w/ ubiquitous standards & penalties for those caught using… I’ve seen too many supposedly great athletes caught using & How great would it be if we just did Not have to wonder anymore??? It’s so unfair for the clean athletes that must compete w/ those who are using regardless of the sport… Many of these sports just beat the tar out of an athletes body & it seems that Many of these athletes who use, do it so they can allow their bodies to recover faster but that is still an unfair advantage…. I would Love to see Every sport & the Union representing the players Volunteer to install the Olympic Level random Blood testing for Every athlete in Every sport w/ an Automatic 2 year suspension for First time Offenders & a Lifetime ban for repeat bans…… I truly believe that within a few years it would eradicate Doping from the Sporting World…. & I think it would be Fair b/c Every one would submit to the Exact same testing standards….

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