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- Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 9:45pm #64428
SportsNinjaParticipantOn someone else’s post I wrote a rather long-winded post about how Vlade could justify the draft: http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/what-can-kings-do-here#comment-796455
It seems every single post or mention of the Kings these days comes with the mention of what a horrible franchise they are. It’s kind of like how the internet has determined Nickelback is the worst band of all time. I think we need to pump the brakes a bit on how terribly ran we think they are.
Vlade traded Marco Belinelli for Malachi Richardson. I don’t see how you could view this as anything other than a win. Richardson is 10 years younger, significantly cheaper and Belinelli couldn’t have played worse on both sides of the ball for Sacramento.
Vlade traded Marquese Chriss for Georgios Papagiannis, Skal Labissiere and Bogdan Bogdanovic. In 5 years Chriss may be the best 4 in the game and the other 3 out of the NBA, but if you are asking me before the draft or day of the draft which I prefer I’ll take the 3 over Chriss.
If you prefer Chriss- he wouldn’t have been a fit either, but that’s ok because the online forums have him rated high so it’s justifiable?
So if they don’t trade the pick they don’t have to take Chriss and could draft a better fit instead, right? Wade Baldwin was the next pg/sg to get drafted and that happened at 17. He’s questionable at the pg, so I really don’t know that he’s a fit. That would have been a reach at 8 imo, maybe moreso than Papgiannis was at 13. Speaking of, I love how people mention he scored less than 7 ppg. They don’t mention he did it in less than 12 mpg.
Given how important a PG is I think you find the RIGHT guy and not just draft someone because it is a need. They did get Isaiah Cousins 20-25 picks later than I thought he might go. So they get no credit for getting Cousins and Skal way below where anyone thought they would go, but get blasted for taking someone 10 slots ahead of where experts had him going.
I think Vlade and the Kings had a great night and I couldn’t care less about draft grades. They have a very solid coach, a new arena with a seemingly excellent technological foundation, a solid group of young guys, assets (something they haven’t had in awhile), and DMC. Let’s chill on the horribly run franchise stuff just a little bit.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 10:12pm #1077557
r377ParticipantCousins is a like a second hand Saab car – He is temperamental and unreliable, each year he just loses more and more value.
I said about 3 seasons ago they should trade that cancer. 2 or 3 seasons ago they would of gotten some really good value for Cousins, but now hhmmmm. Even last season Ainge was offering quite a bit for Cousins (more than I thought he was worth) No one wants to play with Cousins, the Kings shot themselves in the foot not trading him two seasons ago.
Cousins has also run other players out of town. They are missing lotto picks TRob, Stauskis, Jimmer. The Kings are easily the worst franchise for developing talent – I can’t see how Skal is going to develop with Cousins around…
They could have drafted Dunn with Boston’s 3rd pick if they traded cousins with boston.
They need to blow it up and start rebuilding. I hope the new greek rook works out – they have Koufas and Vlade that can mentor him
0- Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 10:28pm #1077563
SportsNinjaParticipantWho did Cousins run out of town? None of the 3 you named are any good, lack of talent led to trading them, but I’m not sure that’s who you meant when you said he ran them out.
As far as developing talent, I completely agree about how bad they have been. To be fair though we can’t compare past regimes with the current. If we did that, I could name all of the talent they were great at developing in the past too, back when Vlade played on the team.
I don’t think Cousins is the guy that will keep Skal from developing, they are not similar in any way. I don’t think Skal plays C in the NBA unless he’s on a team built like the GSW. I’ll say it again, I’d love to see him develop at the 3 a bit, what is he 2" taller than AK-47?
0- Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 11:02pm #1077573
r377ParticipantI read/heard that he was not happy with Stauskis and Jimmer. While he may not have voiced his opinion about TRob, I found it a strange coincidence that they got rid of T-Rob and brought in Patrick Patterson to replace him at PF, reports where he was brought in to “babysit” cousins as they are good friends since their Kentucky days.
Kings ownership/management has done everything to keep him happy, they even took his side over George Karl.
The system has a lot to do with it. While not superstars, how much better would Jimmer, Stauskis, TRob be if they went to Spurs, Warriors or Pistons and vice versa, how good would Kawhi Leonard, Klay Thompson or Draymond Green be if they went to the Kings on draft day ? There is no way any of these 3 would be all-stars if they are on the Kings…
0- Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 11:22pm #1077579
SportsNinjaParticipantAgain, agreed. I laugh when Kings fans think of all the people they could have drafted. But hopefully this regime and system is different. I think about how differently I play depending on who else is on my team. Fit is HUGE.
Also I can tell you if Jimmer were on the Spurs he would be cut, since that’s exactly what happened.
0- Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2016 - 12:57am #1077585
r377ParticipantIm not too sure about Jimmer if he would be cut if was drafted and developed by the spurs. Its one thing to be drafted and developed by a team and another thing to go to another team and expect to perform straight way.
Players are like dogs. If you are a cute little puppy at 8 weeks old going to the right family with proper training, nutrition and love you have a much higher chance of being successful, compared to some that get abused/mistreated or end up in animal shelters or get given away from home to home.
Players lose confidence straight away, that why I am not high on raw freshmen declaring for the draft only to end up in the d-league.
I believe Stauskis is a pound puppy – he went from Sac to Philly. Not the best environment for support and love… He may never get his confidence back……
Cory Joseph was rubbish in college, I was surprised the Spurs took him. They developed him and he is now a serviceable player in the league – possibly even a borderline starter on a couple of bad teams. All because of the spurs development….
0 - Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2016 - 12:57am #1077692
r377ParticipantIm not too sure about Jimmer if he would be cut if was drafted and developed by the spurs. Its one thing to be drafted and developed by a team and another thing to go to another team and expect to perform straight way.
Players are like dogs. If you are a cute little puppy at 8 weeks old going to the right family with proper training, nutrition and love you have a much higher chance of being successful, compared to some that get abused/mistreated or end up in animal shelters or get given away from home to home.
Players lose confidence straight away, that why I am not high on raw freshmen declaring for the draft only to end up in the d-league.
I believe Stauskis is a pound puppy – he went from Sac to Philly. Not the best environment for support and love… He may never get his confidence back……
Cory Joseph was rubbish in college, I was surprised the Spurs took him. They developed him and he is now a serviceable player in the league – possibly even a borderline starter on a couple of bad teams. All because of the spurs development….
0 - Posted on: Mon, 06/27/2016 - 10:51am #1077861
ItsVictorOladipoParticipantAgain, agreed. I laugh when Kings fans think of all the people they could have drafted.
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Oddly enough though, the Kings have made 2 of the best second round selections of the lat 10 years; Isaiah Thomas and Hassan Whiteside. If only they had kept Thomas and developed Whiteside alongside Cousins.0- Posted on: Tue, 06/28/2016 - 1:12pm #1078105
r377ParticipantGood point about Thomas and Whitehead. They also drafted Gerald Wallace late in the first round, barely gave him 10 mins per game in his first 3 seasons and then dump him in the expansion draft (they got nothing for him).
He then gets picked up by Charlotte and goes on to be an all-star……
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/28/2016 - 1:12pm #1078212
r377ParticipantGood point about Thomas and Whitehead. They also drafted Gerald Wallace late in the first round, barely gave him 10 mins per game in his first 3 seasons and then dump him in the expansion draft (they got nothing for him).
He then gets picked up by Charlotte and goes on to be an all-star……
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- Posted on: Mon, 06/27/2016 - 10:51am #1077968
ItsVictorOladipoParticipantAgain, agreed. I laugh when Kings fans think of all the people they could have drafted.
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Oddly enough though, the Kings have made 2 of the best second round selections of the lat 10 years; Isaiah Thomas and Hassan Whiteside. If only they had kept Thomas and developed Whiteside alongside Cousins.0
- Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 11:22pm #1077686
SportsNinjaParticipantAgain, agreed. I laugh when Kings fans think of all the people they could have drafted. But hopefully this regime and system is different. I think about how differently I play depending on who else is on my team. Fit is HUGE.
Also I can tell you if Jimmer were on the Spurs he would be cut, since that’s exactly what happened.
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- Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 11:02pm #1077680
r377ParticipantI read/heard that he was not happy with Stauskis and Jimmer. While he may not have voiced his opinion about TRob, I found it a strange coincidence that they got rid of T-Rob and brought in Patrick Patterson to replace him at PF, reports where he was brought in to “babysit” cousins as they are good friends since their Kentucky days.
Kings ownership/management has done everything to keep him happy, they even took his side over George Karl.
The system has a lot to do with it. While not superstars, how much better would Jimmer, Stauskis, TRob be if they went to Spurs, Warriors or Pistons and vice versa, how good would Kawhi Leonard, Klay Thompson or Draymond Green be if they went to the Kings on draft day ? There is no way any of these 3 would be all-stars if they are on the Kings…
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- Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 10:28pm #1077670
SportsNinjaParticipantWho did Cousins run out of town? None of the 3 you named are any good, lack of talent led to trading them, but I’m not sure that’s who you meant when you said he ran them out.
As far as developing talent, I completely agree about how bad they have been. To be fair though we can’t compare past regimes with the current. If we did that, I could name all of the talent they were great at developing in the past too, back when Vlade played on the team.
I don’t think Cousins is the guy that will keep Skal from developing, they are not similar in any way. I don’t think Skal plays C in the NBA unless he’s on a team built like the GSW. I’ll say it again, I’d love to see him develop at the 3 a bit, what is he 2" taller than AK-47?
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 10:35pm #1077565
Hype Machinelol, remind me to never buy a Saab. Looks like I’ll be holding onto the Datsun Sunny for a while longer yet.
I don’t think it will be Cousin’s playing style that will slow down Skal’s development. He will just bully him and make him lose whatever confidence he had left. For example, he didn’t get off to a good start by writing that Tweet on the night he was drafted.
0- Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 10:40pm #1077569
SportsNinjaParticipantTweeted well before Skal was drafted though. And he’s a Kentucky guy. I see Koufos being traded and Skal not getting many minutes in year 1. Who knows what happens with this team by 2018, they have shown they are looking to make changes.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 10:40pm #1077676
SportsNinjaParticipantTweeted well before Skal was drafted though. And he’s a Kentucky guy. I see Koufos being traded and Skal not getting many minutes in year 1. Who knows what happens with this team by 2018, they have shown they are looking to make changes.
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- Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 10:35pm #1077672
Hype Machinelol, remind me to never buy a Saab. Looks like I’ll be holding onto the Datsun Sunny for a while longer yet.
I don’t think it will be Cousin’s playing style that will slow down Skal’s development. He will just bully him and make him lose whatever confidence he had left. For example, he didn’t get off to a good start by writing that Tweet on the night he was drafted.
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- Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 10:12pm #1077664
r377ParticipantCousins is a like a second hand Saab car – He is temperamental and unreliable, each year he just loses more and more value.
I said about 3 seasons ago they should trade that cancer. 2 or 3 seasons ago they would of gotten some really good value for Cousins, but now hhmmmm. Even last season Ainge was offering quite a bit for Cousins (more than I thought he was worth) No one wants to play with Cousins, the Kings shot themselves in the foot not trading him two seasons ago.
Cousins has also run other players out of town. They are missing lotto picks TRob, Stauskis, Jimmer. The Kings are easily the worst franchise for developing talent – I can’t see how Skal is going to develop with Cousins around…
They could have drafted Dunn with Boston’s 3rd pick if they traded cousins with boston.
They need to blow it up and start rebuilding. I hope the new greek rook works out – they have Koufas and Vlade that can mentor him
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 10:18pm #1077561
llperezthe fact you imply nickelback is not complete and utter garbage makes the rest of your post invalid
0- Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 10:37pm #1077567
SportsNinjaParticipantFirst, I know you’re kidding, but I didn’t imply- you inferred because you have bought into the hype! Regardless of their horrible lyrics they are the second-best selling foreign musical group in US history, behind The Beatles. If I played "How You Remind Me" tell me it wouldn’t bring back some memories.
0- Posted on: Mon, 06/27/2016 - 12:00am #1077856
MopgrassParticipantNickelback are, patently, the worst band. I remember Nickelback’s “big song” coming out in 2001, the same way I would remember a close family member dying. I remember where I was when the video 1st came on and this event was only slightly overshadowed by 9/11. The only memory the music trudges up for me is me taking a year of lobbying friends and dorm-mates to understand the depths to which Nickelback are horrible… to no avail. The fact that the internet has finally come around, so many years later, restores my faith in humanity.
Nickelback is like taking everything people like about Metallica, ironing out the riskiness, stripping the virtuosity, sending it through an algorithm of what a computer thinks a human would enjoy, over-branding it, strangling it with compression, and playing it until you, the listener, are forced to rip the skin off your own face.
Following the death of a famous country singer, Dennis Leary said of the deceased, “My biggest regret in life is not hitting John Denver in the mouth when I had the chance.” Yet, Mr. Leary may wish to reconsider his stance, since the members of Nickelback are presumptively still alive.
On a more serious note: you just compared Nickelback to the Beatles. That’s like comparing Kim Kardashian and Merryl Streep’s onscreen skills. Yes, both bring in money, but that doesn’t mean the former adds anything of merit to our culture. To quote the movie Birdman, “Popularity is prestige’s slutty little sister.”
Your supposition that we all likely, at least, perversely take some pleasure in hearing that music pop on the radio is unequivocally false. I, under no circumstances, on any level, receive any degree of joy by listening to, thinking about, or discussing any element of said music.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 06/27/2016 - 12:00am #1077749
MopgrassParticipantNickelback are, patently, the worst band. I remember Nickelback’s “big song” coming out in 2001, the same way I would remember a close family member dying. I remember where I was when the video 1st came on and this event was only slightly overshadowed by 9/11. The only memory the music trudges up for me is me taking a year of lobbying friends and dorm-mates to understand the depths to which Nickelback are horrible… to no avail. The fact that the internet has finally come around, so many years later, restores my faith in humanity.
Nickelback is like taking everything people like about Metallica, ironing out the riskiness, stripping the virtuosity, sending it through an algorithm of what a computer thinks a human would enjoy, over-branding it, strangling it with compression, and playing it until you, the listener, are forced to rip the skin off your own face.
Following the death of a famous country singer, Dennis Leary said of the deceased, “My biggest regret in life is not hitting John Denver in the mouth when I had the chance.” Yet, Mr. Leary may wish to reconsider his stance, since the members of Nickelback are presumptively still alive.
On a more serious note: you just compared Nickelback to the Beatles. That’s like comparing Kim Kardashian and Merryl Streep’s onscreen skills. Yes, both bring in money, but that doesn’t mean the former adds anything of merit to our culture. To quote the movie Birdman, “Popularity is prestige’s slutty little sister.”
Your supposition that we all likely, at least, perversely take some pleasure in hearing that music pop on the radio is unequivocally false. I, under no circumstances, on any level, receive any degree of joy by listening to, thinking about, or discussing any element of said music.
0- Posted on: Mon, 06/27/2016 - 12:19am #1077860
SportsNinjaParticipantThe passions for which you loathe!
Again I haven’t even given my opinion on the band one way or the other. You have concluded it on your own, not from something I have stated. My first sentence, I thought, was clearly said in jest. I mention their HORRIBLE lyrics, so if anything I imply I don’t think much of them. I do present a fact, but in no way do I COMPARE them to The Beatles, these are very very different things. Then I welcome him to tell me hearing the song wouldn’t bring back some memories, again not assuming anyone is taking any pleasure from it. It seems I was right as you compare Nickelback to 9/11.
Don’t let the hatred for Nickelback rage so hard you leap to false conclusions and misinterpret posts! To ease your suffering let me soothe you with some stellar lyrics from "Photograph" released in September 2005:
Look at this photograph
Every time I do it makes me laugh
How did our eyes get so red?
And what the hell is on Joey’s head?
What the hell is on Joey’s head, Mopgrass? What the hell is on his head?
0 - Posted on: Mon, 06/27/2016 - 12:19am #1077753
SportsNinjaParticipantThe passions for which you loathe!
Again I haven’t even given my opinion on the band one way or the other. You have concluded it on your own, not from something I have stated. My first sentence, I thought, was clearly said in jest. I mention their HORRIBLE lyrics, so if anything I imply I don’t think much of them. I do present a fact, but in no way do I COMPARE them to The Beatles, these are very very different things. Then I welcome him to tell me hearing the song wouldn’t bring back some memories, again not assuming anyone is taking any pleasure from it. It seems I was right as you compare Nickelback to 9/11.
Don’t let the hatred for Nickelback rage so hard you leap to false conclusions and misinterpret posts! To ease your suffering let me soothe you with some stellar lyrics from "Photograph" released in September 2005:
Look at this photograph
Every time I do it makes me laugh
How did our eyes get so red?
And what the hell is on Joey’s head?
What the hell is on Joey’s head, Mopgrass? What the hell is on his head?
0- Posted on: Mon, 06/27/2016 - 9:06am #1077825
MopgrassParticipantSimply put: your insinuation that listening to their music would bring back memories implies that you like them.
0- Posted on: Mon, 06/27/2016 - 12:11pm #1077877
SportsNinjaParticipantSimply put: no it does not, that is completely false. The smell of fish brings back memories and I don’t like fish or their smell.
This is a really dumb thing to be debating about.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 06/27/2016 - 12:11pm #1077984
SportsNinjaParticipantSimply put: no it does not, that is completely false. The smell of fish brings back memories and I don’t like fish or their smell.
This is a really dumb thing to be debating about.
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- Posted on: Mon, 06/27/2016 - 9:06am #1077932
MopgrassParticipantSimply put: your insinuation that listening to their music would bring back memories implies that you like them.
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- Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 10:37pm #1077674
SportsNinjaParticipantFirst, I know you’re kidding, but I didn’t imply- you inferred because you have bought into the hype! Regardless of their horrible lyrics they are the second-best selling foreign musical group in US history, behind The Beatles. If I played "How You Remind Me" tell me it wouldn’t bring back some memories.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 10:42pm #1077571
Hype MachineLol @ Nickelback, and I thought this thread about Sacramento was going to suck.
"This is how you remind me of what I really am…"
Quality Canadian Rock….
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 10:42pm #1077678
Hype MachineLol @ Nickelback, and I thought this thread about Sacramento was going to suck.
"This is how you remind me of what I really am…"
Quality Canadian Rock….
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- Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 10:18pm #1077668
llperezthe fact you imply nickelback is not complete and utter garbage makes the rest of your post invalid
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 11:11pm #1077577
kobyzParticipantI also don’t get the hate about the Georgios Papagiannis pick, guy is like a combination of hibbert and asik, has the size, big body, help defense, shot blocking ability and soft shooting touch of hibbert while having the mobility, athletic ability, man to man defense, defense foundementals of asik, he’s also has good potential as a passer… He is an 18yo prospect who was a starter for big power house team in europe and was out playing players like spurs first round draft pick milutinov who is 3 years older..,
0- Posted on: Mon, 06/27/2016 - 9:39am #1077833
Untouchable JParticipantOh no you totally ‘get’ the hate for it, you just wanna bein different. It ws a reach for that slot, AND he completely duplicates your star player position-wise. In a game thats going smaller, you now have 2 true centers who cant possibly play at the same time. It was a TERRIBLE pick.
0- Posted on: Tue, 06/28/2016 - 12:06pm #1078093
kobyzParticipantTo them they went bpa, and i can’t argue the kid has upside, how many times teams get negs for passing on prospects because position? maybe they want insures for Cous, maybe they lookin to bring big ball back…
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/28/2016 - 12:06pm #1078200
kobyzParticipantTo them they went bpa, and i can’t argue the kid has upside, how many times teams get negs for passing on prospects because position? maybe they want insures for Cous, maybe they lookin to bring big ball back…
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- Posted on: Mon, 06/27/2016 - 9:39am #1077940
Untouchable JParticipantOh no you totally ‘get’ the hate for it, you just wanna bein different. It ws a reach for that slot, AND he completely duplicates your star player position-wise. In a game thats going smaller, you now have 2 true centers who cant possibly play at the same time. It was a TERRIBLE pick.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 06/29/2016 - 4:59am #1078277
BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipantGeorgios Papagiannis was not a starter for Panathinaikos. They barely used him in the Euroleague, and his minutes were sparse late in the Greek league playoffs.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 06/29/2016 - 4:59am #1078384
BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipantGeorgios Papagiannis was not a starter for Panathinaikos. They barely used him in the Euroleague, and his minutes were sparse late in the Greek league playoffs.
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- Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 11:11pm #1077684
kobyzParticipantI also don’t get the hate about the Georgios Papagiannis pick, guy is like a combination of hibbert and asik, has the size, big body, help defense, shot blocking ability and soft shooting touch of hibbert while having the mobility, athletic ability, man to man defense, defense foundementals of asik, he’s also has good potential as a passer… He is an 18yo prospect who was a starter for big power house team in europe and was out playing players like spurs first round draft pick milutinov who is 3 years older..,
0 - Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2016 - 1:54am #1077591
2quick4uParticipantto me the whole thing is about demarcus cousins..
if they plan to trade cousins then their draft was good but if they wanna keep him then i don’t think it was that good.
i think georgios papagiannis has the tools to be a really good player although he might need 2-3 years before he contributes. i have no problem with sacramento taking him at nº13 although i think they could have taken him with their 22nd pick without problem or even with the 28th..boston is the only team that could have stolen georgios but i think that boston really wanted zizic first..
georgios is the least of the problems in sacramento, the biggest problem in that franchise is cousins..i’ve said in numerous posts in this forum that cousins is a cancer and that he’s not the best center in the league and not even close..give me towns,marc gasol,whiteside or drummond any day of the week. of course i’ve always been negged like crazy for saying this..he’s is a kevin love type of player that puts inflated numbers on a bad team but with much worse character..
sacramento should have traded cousins for nº3 pick from boston plus something else, and they should have drafted dunn.
to me, in order to take the good path sacramento should trade cousins, gay and rondo.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2016 - 1:54am #1077698
2quick4uParticipantto me the whole thing is about demarcus cousins..
if they plan to trade cousins then their draft was good but if they wanna keep him then i don’t think it was that good.
i think georgios papagiannis has the tools to be a really good player although he might need 2-3 years before he contributes. i have no problem with sacramento taking him at nº13 although i think they could have taken him with their 22nd pick without problem or even with the 28th..boston is the only team that could have stolen georgios but i think that boston really wanted zizic first..
georgios is the least of the problems in sacramento, the biggest problem in that franchise is cousins..i’ve said in numerous posts in this forum that cousins is a cancer and that he’s not the best center in the league and not even close..give me towns,marc gasol,whiteside or drummond any day of the week. of course i’ve always been negged like crazy for saying this..he’s is a kevin love type of player that puts inflated numbers on a bad team but with much worse character..
sacramento should have traded cousins for nº3 pick from boston plus something else, and they should have drafted dunn.
to me, in order to take the good path sacramento should trade cousins, gay and rondo.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2016 - 6:43am #1077615
SeattleSuperChronicsParticipantSo they drafted 3-4 guys that have no chance to contribute. Blow it up.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2016 - 6:43am #1077722
SeattleSuperChronicsParticipantSo they drafted 3-4 guys that have no chance to contribute. Blow it up.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2016 - 2:06pm #1077762
cvilleratsParticipantother than maybe cousins, there are no assets. mc lemore? casspii? cauley-stein? the three stiff they got for chriss? by all accounts, vlade is a smart guy, but, geez!!!
0 - Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2016 - 2:06pm #1077655
cvilleratsParticipantother than maybe cousins, there are no assets. mc lemore? casspii? cauley-stein? the three stiff they got for chriss? by all accounts, vlade is a smart guy, but, geez!!!
0 - Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2016 - 3:54pm #1077776
PurpleMonkeyDishwasherParticipantTimberwolves choosing Wes Johnson was still better for them as a team than if they would’ve drafted Cousins. The Wolves would’ve been held hostage by the talented but disruptive player that Cousins is. The Wolves have a extremely brite future while Sacramento is still wondering whether he is worth the problems he creates.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2016 - 3:54pm #1077669
PurpleMonkeyDishwasherParticipantTimberwolves choosing Wes Johnson was still better for them as a team than if they would’ve drafted Cousins. The Wolves would’ve been held hostage by the talented but disruptive player that Cousins is. The Wolves have a extremely brite future while Sacramento is still wondering whether he is worth the problems he creates.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 06/29/2016 - 8:24pm #1078585
RollingWaveParticipant1. Papagiannis is probably an underrated prospect but your best player on the team is a center, the guy you drafted even higher last year is a center, the guy you signed as year to not insignificant amount of money in FA last year is also a center, the guy you drafted #28 is also a freaking center, how many centers can you have here?
2. Getting #22 for Marco is good sure, but at the end of the day sometimes it’s the team and not the player, Marco was pretty good on the Spurs and may very well be quite solid on the Hornets again . Malachi I’m highly dubious on, he has one of the worst stats of any one and done 1st rounder that played seirous minutes. the most comparable prospect who’s this unproductive in a per minute sense is probably Austin Rivers. or Trevor Ariza as the only 2 guys you can think of that worked out .
There is a chance he works out, but as with the example of those 2 above him, it’s almost never for the team that drafts him. and it’s not like Austin Rivers set the world on fire.
This is a team that just completely failed to develop Ben McLemore and now is drafting another guy of the same mold who needs a lot of development, it’s not hard to see why people are skeptical to say the least.
What the Kings did are all fine in a vacuum , but taken all together with their own miserable trackrecord it’s very hard for anyone to have confidence
No one trust the Kings with developing players for good reasons, and they just drafted a bunch of huge projects.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 06/29/2016 - 8:24pm #1078479
RollingWaveParticipant1. Papagiannis is probably an underrated prospect but your best player on the team is a center, the guy you drafted even higher last year is a center, the guy you signed as year to not insignificant amount of money in FA last year is also a center, the guy you drafted #28 is also a freaking center, how many centers can you have here?
2. Getting #22 for Marco is good sure, but at the end of the day sometimes it’s the team and not the player, Marco was pretty good on the Spurs and may very well be quite solid on the Hornets again . Malachi I’m highly dubious on, he has one of the worst stats of any one and done 1st rounder that played seirous minutes. the most comparable prospect who’s this unproductive in a per minute sense is probably Austin Rivers. or Trevor Ariza as the only 2 guys you can think of that worked out .
There is a chance he works out, but as with the example of those 2 above him, it’s almost never for the team that drafts him. and it’s not like Austin Rivers set the world on fire.
This is a team that just completely failed to develop Ben McLemore and now is drafting another guy of the same mold who needs a lot of development, it’s not hard to see why people are skeptical to say the least.
What the Kings did are all fine in a vacuum , but taken all together with their own miserable trackrecord it’s very hard for anyone to have confidence
No one trust the Kings with developing players for good reasons, and they just drafted a bunch of huge projects.
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